Steve Nash didn’t chuck 35 ft threes with 17 seconds left on the shot clock tho...
he's a way better passer than this sub is giving him credit for. this comparison makes sense.
Because he played in the 2000s.
Pistol Pete is one of the weirdest players of all time though. Bird was a very good shooter from everywhere yet the maximum of attempted 3s per game for him was like 4.
please god leave the poster up a little longer
He was inspired by most of the guys on the poster and switched teams
I miss our Big 3 of Sefolosha, Kristic and Durant.
That Barkley one is nuts
The Doug McDermott cover is an ode to a 1977 cover with Larry Bird
He loves the NBA and he loves Derrick Rose. I saw a couple pictures of him in the states just watching some games. Must be nice to sit in the front row.
Griezmann partied so hard he forgot the last 6 years
The love for Rose never dies man
Its not weird at all. Many of us still loves D Rose and admires the way he keeps fighting just to play the game he loves.
[OC] Franchise Rankings since 1970-71
One of the most common debates on /sub/nba is the competency of franchises. Like so many other hot button questions, this one is tough to answer. I decided that I would give it a swing using a simple method that most people can understand.
For starters, I used the start date of the 1970-71 season for a few reasons. One reason I chose this date is to get rid of all the accomplishments of the pre-70s and all their counterarguments. For example, many people will discredit the Celtics for their historical dominance due to a lack of numerous other teams, other players having occupations outside of basketball, and the lack of minority/African Americans in the game. Whether the excuses to discredit is fair or unfair, the Celtics were the greatest team in basketball before 1970.
The other major reason why I chose 1970 to be the start date is because that is when the major expansion in the NBA took place. The only other reason was that the NBA-ABA merger took place soon after as well.
I decided I would give out points based upon 3 categories
Playoff appearances = 1 point
Playoff Wins (Round) = 2 points
NBA Championships = 5 points
Rationale: I figured that teams should be rewarded for being a legitimate team. A team that wins a championship and makes it to two conference finals in 3 years should be looked upon higher than a team that sneaks in as a 5-8 seed for 5 seasons in a row and never wins a playoff series. Therefore, I want to reward the idea upon winning a championship and a series as the highest reward.
Simply ranking teams based upon their total score would be unfair and not in any way a true representation of their competency as an organization. A team that has been around since 1970 should have more wins, appearances and championships than a team founded in the 90s. Therefore, I used simple math to make it more fair.
I calculated the totals of each team based upon the point system I listed up above.
I counted the number of seasons each team has been in the NBA (ABA seasons were not counted)
I found the average score of a team based upon their score versus how many seasons they had under their belt.
The Results: Rankings of Teams
Los Angeles Lakers (5.04)
San Antonio Spurs (3.64)
Boston Celtics (3.44)
Chicago Bulls (3.33)
Miami Heat (2.83)
Detroit Pistons (2.23)
Oklahoma City Thunder/SuperSonics (2.07)
Houston Rockets (2.02)
Golden State Warriors (1.88)
New York Knicks (1.83) (tie)
Philadelphia 76ers (1.83) (tie)
Utah Jazz (1.7)
Phoenix Suns (1.67)
Portland Trail Blazers (1.65)
Cleveland Cavaliers (1.6)
Dallas Mavericks (1.58)
Indiana Pacers (1.5)
Milwaukee Bucks (1.38)
Washington Wizards (1.29)
Orlando Magic (1.24)
Atlanta Hawks (1.23)
Denver Nuggets (1)
Brooklyn Nets (.97)
Toronto Raptors (.87)
Memphis Grizzlies (.78)
New Orleans Pelicans (.69)
Charlotte Hornets (.64)
Sacramento Kings (.6)
Los Angeles Clippers (.48)
Minnesota Timberwolves (.45)
The average score for all NBA teams was 1.71. This means that technically only 11 teams in the NBA perform "above average".
However, if you take the two best and two worst scores out of play, the average falls to 1.6 which makes about 50% of NBA teams "average"
The Utah Jazz and Phoenix Suns are the only two teams who are above "average" who have not won a title.
The New York Knicks and Philadelphia 76ers since 1970 have 27 playoff appearances, 28 series wins and 1 championship
More with less or Less with More? The Miami Heat with only 30 seasons under their belt have one of the most competent organizations, making the playoffs 20 times, winning 3 championships and 25 series. However, the Minnesota Timberwolves, Charlotte Hornets, and Orlando Magic are all among the worst teams in the league performance wise, even though they have been around for a similar period.
While the team with the most championships in this time period (Lakers with 11) finished first, the Celtics and Bulls with both 6 titles under their belt fell behind the Spurs due to less consistency in the playoffs outside of their championship years. The Seattle City SuperTHunder also finished above the Rockets even though they have less titles.
Trending Up/Trending Down: The New York Knicks since 2000 have had one of the worst runs in basketball, winning a total of 1 playoff round. If they had been just a slight bit better during this team, they would like be near the top 5. However, things look bright with Porzingis, Knox, and Frank the Tank. The Toronto Raptors on the other hand have had some of the largest improvements compared to their entire history, recently.
While no system is perfect to analyze how truly "good" a franchise is, I figured I'd give it a stab see how the data turns out. I will gladly link the spreadsheet of data if anyone is interested in that sort of thing.
I like your formula, however, I think there should be a factor for # of teams present. The Knicks won their two titles when there were 14 and 17 teams in the league respectively, meanwhile Dallas and Cleveland won their only titles when there were 30 teams present. I think a lot of the titles in the 70s and 80s shouldn't necessarily be weighted as heavily as modern championships. Maybe a championship is worth 1 point for every 5 teams present in the league? So the 1971 Bucks would get 3 points for a championship (17 teams in the league in 1971), whereas the 1983 Sixers would get 4 points for winning a championship in a year where 23 teams where in the league. Dallas/Cleveland would get 6 points for winning in 2011 and 2016 during a time when 30 teams were present.
The Utah Jazz and the Phoenix Suns are the only two teams who are above “average” who have not won a title.
cries in jazz
We weren't that big of a market back in the day and we got a bad reputation for drug money/crime/illegals in the 70s and 80s.
I really like that idea. I'll rework some of the numbers and put it out onto this the Juniper41 rankings as well when I get the chance.
Exactly. Doug McDermott was the consensus national college player of the year in 2014, and an NCAA scoring champion. Kids these days disrespecting a legend...
That's actually really cool. Lakers got a good one
With that swing I can’t imagine him finishing anything other than dead ass last
former NBA great Charles Barkley, who finished alone in last with minus-93 points.
The American Century Championship uses a modified Stableford scoring system that rewards points for eagles (six), birdies (three) and pars (one) and deducts points (two) for double-bogeys or worse. Bogeys are worth zero points.
Rumors say MJ yelled from the crowd, "Swing it you fucking fatass", which ruined Chuck's psyche in golf forever.
4: Gallo/MScott/Wes Johnson
Thornwell, Evans, CJ Williams in the mix for spots too
He was really nice when healthy.
Deep with no star power
the andre igoudala nuggets
Dirk's 2011, Detroit's 2004 and the Cavs 2016 title are the most memorable titles in my lifetime
Best part of that title is that no one but the Mavs bandwagoners and fans (a small population) believed that the 2011 Mavs will win the 1st round, semis, WCF, and Finals. No one even noticed they're at the top half of the WC top eight.
Everyone was past their prime and only getting older.
Dirk played out of his mind back then. Those old Mavs folks really taught the Heatles a lesson that year.
Spurs revenge was pretty great too
When you upvote Charles Barkley is it called an upchuck?
Imagine if Kawhi signs the super max and plays the rest of his career with the Spurs and calls all these rumors pure speculation
turns out Kawhi only see's his uncle about once a year
Turns out Kawhi doesn't have an uncle.
Someone mentioned this a while ago, but if they just ran with the "Kawhi is quiet" idea for their marketing they could really do some cool things. Imagine a commercial where the media and fans are mocking him on social media, the fans are screaming during a game, whatever. The noise gets louder throughout the commercial and he is silent through it all. Then he hits a game winner and silences the whole audience. Then zoom in on his shoe (The Kawhi Mute, The Kawhi-et, The Kawhi whatever). "Let your game do the talking". Who wouldn't want to buy a pair of those?