If a women ever argues with you about taking the Bible literally, don't encourage a dogma that is destructive toward her individual freedom and safety.
As u/Grimesy2 said you can tell her,
"I believe you are my equal, and worthy of sharing discussions with, but the religion you are defending does not. Are you really ok with that?"
Edit: I'm referring to this thread
I don't think quoting the bible verses about women being silent (which is no doubt what you're alluding to) are meant to encourage that dogma. It's a tactic that's instead meant to highlight how absurd the belief is, and how much of it Christians routinely ignore while cherry picking what they'd like to keep.
It's not to promote the dogma or to "shut women up". It's to encourage the Christian in question to discard it and critically examine the foundation of their beliefs - possibly for the first time - and that goal should be evident without it needing to be explained.
Who is /u/Grimesy2 and why are you quoting them?
There are atheists who like to use various "women shouldn't talk in church" and "women should submit to men" bible verses to try to shut Christian women up when discussion religion. This is from another thread full of people high-fiving/circle-jerking each over how clever they think this is.
In reality it is a dick move that only serves to score cheap debating points with misogyny. This approach is far better.
Go back to the other thread and check out all the "have you ever tried arguing with a woman?" comments.
Seems like it is more an excuse to be misogynist masked by a "What, I was just making a point!" than anything else.
This is about as close to a patron saint as we atheists are gonna get.
Just say sorry I can’t talk in person right now, but if you give me your home address I’ll show up whenever I want thanks.
The revenge we all wanted to take but could never be bothered with. The last time they came knocking I told them I believed religion to be the root of all evil.
A spokesman for Jehovah's Witnesses in Britain stated that their policy is that if someone states that they do not want their representatives to call that a note is made and further contact is not made.
No, it's fucking not! I keep getting these bastards around my place whenever they think enough time has passed that I'll have forgotten about them. Where's this note kept, in a massive trash bin marked "suggestions"? It's sure as hell not kept on the office fridge.
If this was a movie, it would be great comedy. Unfortunately, this is what our political system has festered into. A disgusting regime of liars, whoremongers and hypocrites. Russia has certainly won the first battle of this war and our side does not even acknowledge there is a war. Think it is time to open that bottle of whiskey I was given for my birthday...
And they,ll claim persecution when we fight back, like the vultures they are.
They're more than happy to pick on the weak, but when someone offers even the slighest resistance, they go berserk, frothing and roaring like rabid animals, and scream bloody murder.
Edit: A word.
Remember how much shit Bill Clinton got for sleeping with an intern? Wouldn't even make the front page with Trump
It's mascot logic. They expect him to cheer for the team. Not be truthful, or logical, or good at the sport(/faith) itself. He just has to root for their side.
God may forgive him, but humanity never will.
How is this guy having so many affairs if he's old, fat, ugly, and a thoroughly disgusting person?
Something tells me he cares very little what humanity thinks of him as long as he stays rich and in office.
Showerthought: Christians, who are going around playing the victim and worrying about "how long they'll be allowed to be Christian" are the same folks telling gay people they shouldn't be gay, telling trans folks they shouldn't be trans and telling Muslims they shouldn't be Muslim. Projecting much?
This bullshit article about "how long will I be allowed to be Christian" made me think this.
Christians go around wanting sympathy and victim status constantly, worried that they're "not gonna be able to be Christian anymore."
However, Christians are the first who will scream that gay people shouldn't be gay.
Christians are the first who will scream that transfolks shouldn't be trans.
Christians are the first to get up and bitch if a Mosque is going to be built in their community.
But fake God forbid someone tell them they shouldn't be Christian!
That's perfect. It's astronomical hypocrisy.
They sure do hint that they believe in the wheel of karma, for being Christian.
Somehow, of all the many, many lies he tells, this one is one of the least believable.
TIL attractive women are satanic. thank you alt-right
Have you seen pictures of young Alex Jones? Dude was a beefcake. You telling me some horny young Satanists wouldn't want a piece of this?
I'd almost believe it but no attractive woman is going near that anus tart.
He looks like a sleazy motherfucker.
Surprised he liked women.
Dang. Given the documented widespread gender bias in criminal justice, maybe we need to investigate all prosecutors (and prosecutrices) for sexual misconduct.
Looks like he proudly rail-roaded that 14 year old kid who vandalized a statue of Jesus too. Fucking assholes can never keep their beliefs out of how they run public service.
This shit should already be banned nationwide.
Unless the law contains specific language that prohibits unlicensed "counselors" from practicing this absurdity, it's as worthless as the rest of them. Children can and will still be abused in church basements, private homes, and wherever else the lunatics can get away with it.
I'll take what I can get.
nobody "tells us" we are the opposite gender. we discover that ourselves. no one's forcing us to transition, quite the opposite in fact
It will be interesting to see how churches innovate when being burdened with taxes.
Seriously though, I wonder if they will go on a political offensive.
If they do it likely won't be effective. Quebec is the most secular place in Canada. 62% think religion does more harm than good. Anyone who says anything remotely religious in public or even wears a cross immediately gets the stank eye.
There's not a lot of love for religion in Quebec. The trend has been this way since at least the 90s if not earlier and it keeps getting more and more secular.
This title is very misleading - The indication is there's not an exemption for the church as a whole, there's only an exemption for those areas used for public worship and things directly related to it
The movie "God's not dead" turned me into an atheist.
Ok, the title may be a bit of an exageration, but TL;DR it was this movie that made me start to think more critically of my religion.
When I was in 6th grade, our faith teacher (yes, we had a faith teacher. I live in Mexico and I atended a private catholic school) thought it was a good idea to watch this movie with us. Up until this point, I had been the perfect son: I had the best grades in my class, I participated in pretty much every contest the school district had to offer, I did what my parents told me, etc. My parents could not have asked for a better kid... until that day.
The movie starts and 5 minutes in we are all bored. There's a scene in the movie were the protagonist attends a class with an atheist teacher. The teacher started giving a lot of good points to explain why god didn't exist, like using greek mythology to illustrate how people have created religions for milenia to explain what they don't understand. I was thinking "Ok... that's actually a pretty good point... Oh! Here comes the protagonist! His gonna shut him up!..." but the protagonist didn't. The teacher ends up challenging him to present his case the next day, so they can see which one of the two can convince more people they're right.
Next day rolls around, the kid presents his (pretty shitty) arguments, and by the end most of the class agrees with him! The teacher starts getting nervous, so he meets up in the hallway with the protagonist and threatens to get him expelled.
By this point of the movie, faith class was over, so our teacher paused it, she said she would play it again next class, though she never did.
After the class, I started thinking about the movie. They had portraid the atheist teacher as the most unbearable asshole, which seemed to be the only argument to why he was wrong. The protagonist hadn't given a single good reason why he was right, and we were supposed to think he was winning. I knew I had to investigate more, but where? Who should I ask? My faith teacher was definetely out of the question (if she thought that movie had a good argument I highly doubted any of her own arguments would be any better). I couldn't ask my parents either, since they were catholic and would probably say anything to make me stop asking questions. So as a 12 year old with an iPad, I decided to do some research on Youtube. I know it doesn't sound like a very good idea, but I wanted to hear actual atheists discuss their opinions. I wanted to know what they were really like (cause until that point I had only heard about them from religious people), and I wanted to give them a chance to prove they were civilized and had morals.
After looking for a bit, I found two channels I started to watch pretty regularly: The Bible Reloaded (known today as Hugo and Jake) and JaclynGlenn. The Bible Reloaded was a show were two atheists watched christian movies and criticized them, not based on their own opinions, but on the actual merit of the film. Jaclyn was basically an atheist vlogger. I'm not sure what these channels are like right now, but back then they really helped me transition from being the obidient child that said yes to everything, into the cynic teen that asked questions. I kinda feel wierd calling myself "cynic teen", and I know it affects my credibility, but it's true. I stopped taking stuff for granted and began thinking more. I wanted to stop being ignorant and actually be able to talk about serious topics without making stuff up, and I feel like I became a better person for it.
This is my story, and even if it isn't very dramatic per say, I wanted to share it because 1) It's kinda funny how a christian movie started me down the path to atheism and 2) the only other people I've told this are my parents, and they weren't very supportive; my mom cried a lot when I told her. She said she had failed me as a mother, which is completely false: I still have my morals, my grades, my personality. I'm still me, but she just thinks I am ruining my life. It's been a couple of years since then, and she is currently making me have a Confirmation. I don't want to do it. I told her I don't want to do it, but she just doesn't care. She tried to convince me every way she could, but in the end had to use the "I'm your mother and you will do as I say' card. I don't even care anymore. My plan is to just shut off my brain for the entire ceremony. Anyway, thanks for reading :)
Edit: thank you guys for all the support. I was planning on reading all of the comments, but (as I'm writing this) there are more than 500! I've read a bunch, and thank you for understanding me. I'm used to being surrounded by catholics that couldn't care less about what I had to say, but you guys knew exactly what I was talking about. I don't know what I was expecting, but I can't say thank you enough.
It always amazes me that Christians just think atheists are all bad people just because we don't believe in their god. Most of us are pretty okay people if you ask me.
Not an uncommon story. Religious apologetics simply don't hold water and never have. The thing is, apologetics aren't supposed to convince doubters or nonbelievers, they're supposed to reinforce the faith that believers already have- they're designed to wallpaper over the gaping flaws in their reasoning when those flaws are pointed out by skeptics, to convince believers not to fry their tiny brains by actually thinking for the first time in their lives.
Plus, there's plenty of terrible people that do believe in their god.
That movie is so hypocritical, the main plot line is a Christian trying to stand out In a class full of atheists, yet in the movie there's only ever one atheist. In the end the atheist confesses his love for jesus, so actually there's no atheist in the movie, this movie is purely anti atheist propaganda