The_Mueller

My new favorite billboard. Just outside Devin Nunes’ district in Fresno, CA.

My new favorite billboard. Just outside Devin Nunes’ district in Fresno, CA.

Now we get to see if Fresno values party or country more.

People running against trump aligned candidates should run their ads with Russian subtitles.

Looks good. We need more!

This could be dangerous, I might laugh myself into oncoming traffic

BREAKING: A Federal Judge in New York just ruled that an NDA that the Trump campaign forced a staffer, Jessica Denson, to sign is limited in scope In other Words it’s unlikely that any of these people that Trump coerced into secrecy need to remain quiet Keep talking people!

BREAKING: A Federal Judge in New York just ruled that an NDA that the Trump campaign forced a sta...

Actually, it covers just the "campaign" end of Trumps NDA's, once they are White House employees, its a different ball of wax. They become civil employees and do not work for Donald Trump but for the US Government. Most legal pundits agree, that aside from national security agreements, an NDA for a government employee is probably not valid. Its good to know that even private NDA's can be limited in scope.

/sub/titlegore

Seems as if NDAs for public employees wouldn't pass a first-amendment test

Void as against public policy. Nullities.

Joined TheDonald and was banned in under 5 minutes for posting this. Worth it.

Joined TheDonald and was banned in under 5 minutes for posting this. Worth it.

They worship a racist circus clown.

Edit: You guys are right, I shouldn't have compared him to a clown. I'd actually allow a clown around children.

Pantone color of the year: Treasonous orange

Hey now circus clowns may take offence to that.

His hands are still not baked fully.

Paul Manafort wanted the job of Army Secretary to go to a bank executive who signed off on $15 million in fraudulent loans. Today, Trump defended Manafort as a "good person." Hmm, so they weren't actually serious about "drain the swamp" after all?

Paul Manafort wanted the job of Army Secretary to go to a bank executive who signed off on $15 mi...

"Drain the swamp" was just a Cambridge Analytica gimmick that tested well w/ voters. It didn't actually mean anything.

A genuinely good person couldn’t in good conscious be a part of this train wreck of an administration; not at any senior level.

Trump is like a beacon for bad human beings to crawl out from under their rocks into the limelight and it’s just crazy how many morally bankrupt people are involved.

So when more news comes out about how corrupt people in a corrupt organization are doing corrupt things...it’s like...well...I mean, that’s literally all they’re good at.

literally admitted

He to being told to say it, didn't want to, did it anyway - the crowd erupts - so he continues to say it.

Edit: I have a link in the sentence above, but for me the link is same color as the rest of the type, here's the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgDsmHLKOZw

I strongly disagree. If I were offered a position in his administration I would snatch it up in a heartbeat hoping I could work to affect some good in whatever area I was appointed. I think there are definitely people in this administration with that mindset.

I also think there are two reasons we see so many people from this administration jump ship. 1. They can't impact things in a positive way like they thought they would be able to. 2. They see the investigation coming to a head and want out before they are put under a microscope.

I nominate Michael Cera to play Kushner in the movie.

I nominate Michael Cera to play Kushner in the movie.

I was thinking Jim Parsons.

That's actually a good pick. I think it would be difficult for Cera to be as unlikable as Kush.

Can th whole Seth rogan crew just do a trump collusion movie? Jonah can be trump

Orin from Parks & Rec would be perfect

Paul Manafort Trial - Day 14 [08/17/18] JURY DELIBERATION & VERDICT

Paul Manafort Trial - Day 14 [08/17/18] JURY DELIBERATION & VERDICTWHAT IS THIS?

A (hopefully) good 'round-up' repository of the day's trial events and a place for general discussion. Also please do post links, and we'll add them here. Some posts might get removed from our front page to be added here (but almost never will), we'll certainly be sure to not tamper with the big bombshells. Thanks, your humble Mod Team. #ManafortTrial



WHILE YOU'RE WAITING


Maddow - Manafort jury's questions set court watchers guessing  MSNBC 




KEY PLAYERS



Accused:



PAUL MANAFORT





Defense:





Thomas Zehnle (Defense Attorney)
Kevin Downing (Defense Attorney)
Richard Westling (Defense Attorney)





Prosecution:





Uzo Asonye (Prosecutor)
Greg Andres (Prosecutor)
Branden Van Grack(Prosecutor)





CHARGES


5 counts filing false tax returns (Counts 1, 2, 3, 4, 5)
4 counts counts of failure to report foreign bank and financial accounts (Counts 11, 12, 13, 14)
5 counts bank fraud conspiracy (Counts 24, 26, 28, 29, 31)
4 counts bank fraud (Counts 25, 27, 30, 32)


- Source: https://www.justice.gov/file/1038391/download

ESTIMATED DURATION

Prosecution rests its case (08/13/18) 

Defense rests 08/14/18.

Closing Arguments 08/15/18.

Jury Deliberates 08/16/18 (undefined timescale)

Verdict.



ARCHIVE

DAY | 1  | 2  | 3   | 4  | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 
11 | 
12 | 
13



TODAY

Starts: Friday 9:30am EST 

Location: Alexandria, Virginia



STATUS
In session.



WITNESSES

Full Witness List.



Previous:





Tad Devine - Democratic political consultant who worked with Manafort in Ukraine
Daniel Rabin - political consultant who worked with Paul Manafort in Ukraine through his firm, Rabin Strasberg
Matthew Mikuska - FBI Agent who was involved in Manafort raid


Maximillian Katzman - works at his father's high-end men's fashion store in New York where Manafort was a big spender
Ronald Wall - Chief Financial Officer of House of Bijan
Daniel Opsut - Financial Officer from a Mercedes-Benz dealership in Virginia


Wayne Holland Manafort's neighbor and real estate agent
Stephen Jacobson - General contractor
Doug DeLuca -  owner of a design and construction firm in Northern Virginia


Joel Maxwell - chief operative officer of Big Picture Solutions
Michael Regolizio - of New Leaf Maintenance
Heather Washkuhn - Paul Manafort's bookkeeper


Philip Ayliff - accountant with Kositzka, Wicks & Company
Cindy LaPorta - Manafort's Accountant
Paula Liss - a special agent with the FinCEN


Richard W. Gates III Cont'd - Manafort's business partner
Morgan Magionos  - FBI forensic accountant.
Michael Welch IRS agent


Melinda James - mortgage loan assistant from Citizens Bank
Darin Evenson - director of customer experience AirBnB
Peggy Miceli - underwriting exec at Citizens Bank


Taryn Rodriguez with Citizens Bank
Gary Seferian with  Banc of California
Dennis Raico - Federal Savings Bank


Jim Brennan - VP Federal Savings Bank







Today:



No more witnesses to be called







WATCH LIVE FEED



To follow





LIVE BLOGS



NBC LIVE


CNN - LIVE


[Independent - LIVE]


WaPo - Currently Inactive







TWITTER



Rachel Weiner


Matt Zapotosky


Justin Jouvenal


Gary Grumbach


Zoe Tillman


David Pontious


Jim Sciutto


Brandi Buchman


Shimon Prokupecz







STORIES
SOURCE
ADDED



To follow
X
X





HEADLINES


TRIAL RESUMES 9:30
The jury continue to deliberate.
'1. The jury asked if a person had to file a foreign bank report if they owned less than 50% of the account, didn't have signatory authority, but did have authority to disburse funds. The judge reread an earlier instruction on this, which said ownership had to be more than 50%' (ZT)
'2. The jury asked the judge to define a "shelf" company and the filing requirements as to income. The judge said they'd have to rely on their recollection.' (ZT)
'3. The jury asked the judge to redefine "reasonable doubt." The judge said the govt was not required to prove its case beyond "all possible doubt." The term meant doubt "based on reason," he said' (ZT)
'4. The jury asked if they could get an amended copy of the exhibit list reflecting which indictment counts a particular piece of evidence related to. The judge said no, they had to rely on their collective recollection of the evidence' (ZT)
'The jury was sent back to resume deliberations at 9:38 a.m. ET. With that, the jury has now entered its second day of deliberations.' (CNN) 10:00 
'That may well be it for a while.
I'm away from this thread for 45mins. Apologies.
Back now.
'As the jury deliberates, Trump says: I think the Manafort trial is sad. He is a good person. Asked if he would pardon Manafort, Trump answered "I don't talk about that." 11:25
'We are approaching 9 hours of jury deliberation in the Mueller investigation. ' 11:30
'Jurors working through lunch. Lunch was rolled in on a cart by a court employee at 1159a.  Seen on the cart: white styrofoam boxes and chips.' (SP) 12:15
'Some context on "reasonable doubt" in Manafort. 4th circuit allows explanation if requested but discourages: "We remain convinced that attempting to explain the words ... is more dangerous than leaving a jury to wrestle with only the words themselves."' (RW) 12:50
'Still waiting. Jurors have important work to do here. Patience. And believe me, the knot in my stomach is just as real. But we wait.' (BB) 13:15
'If #Manafort is found guilty on counts 29 & 30, bank fraud & conspiracy to commit bank fraud, SPC asks jury to reach a "special verdict" about which Manafort assets will be seized by the government if he's found guilty.' (BB) 14:10
'Paul Manafort and his defense team are in the courtroom for the 2p hearing on motions brought by CNN and other media to unseal parts of the trial that were sealed as well as the names of jurors. The judge had asked the team - including Manafort - to attend.' (SP)
'Judge T.S. Ellis III has declined a motion by WaPo, CNN and BuzzFeed to unseal jurors names. Nor will he release sealed transcripts from bench conferences. He has said he will order them released after the #ManafortTrial concludes.' (BB) 14:15
'Judge won’t release names of jurors citing safety reasons. Says he is under 24/7 US Marshals protection after threats and said “I had no idea this case excited this emotion in the public.”'
'Insofar as the sealed bench conference transcripts, those too will be released. "The seal isn't permanent. All will be available for public scrutiny and criticism." - Judge Ellis' (BB)
ANOTHER NOTE DELIVERED FROM JURY 14:45
'UPDATE: #manaforttrial jury has sent a note to the judge.....defense attorneys and Manafort’s wife have entered court house to hear what the jury says' (Paula Reid)
'Prosecutors and defense lawyers have entered the courtroom having been notified of a note from the jury.' 
'It does not appear that jurors have reached a verdict today in the #ManafortTrial. The judge has said later today he will ask jurors if they wish to reconvene at 11AM or 1PM Monday.' (BB) 15:00
Looks like we're resuming Monday
'One of the jurors has “an event” this evening apparently. “What a kick in the pants,” one attendee muttered as the crowd filed out, grumbling.'
'Paul Manafort's attorney Kevin Downing told reporters the team "really appreciate the support of President Trump," when asked by reporters about the President's comments concerning Manafort earlier today.What Trump said this morning: The President answered questions about the Manafort trial as he left the White House on his way to New York. "I think the whole Manafort trial is sad," Trump said. "I think it's a very sad day for our country.  He worked for a me for a very short period of time. But you know what, he happens to be a very good person. I think it's very sad what they've done to Paul Manafort."' (CNN)       
'1. People screaming for jurors to be left without food/water until reaching a verdict - That is patently ridiculous. And I don't need to explain why.  If you don't know why, you've got bigger problems than this to solve.' (BB)
'2. People screaming at jurors for having plans; you know, people have things like kids to pick up or weddings, or funerals, or wakes, or any number of things that actually happen in real life that are unforseen when you get called for jury duty'
'3. People screaming for justice! justice! justice! but can't muster up enough patience to LET THE JURY DO THEIR WORK, calm down. Everything in time. Good or bad, it comes, in time. You FREAKING OUT is not going to make waiting any easier.'
'4. People proposing to know ANYTHING about what is going inside the juror's room are lying to you. Period.'
'Charges' has been updated to 18 counts (not 32 - that was including Gates). Apologies.
'Judge T.S. Ellis dismissed the jury for the weekend at 4:55 p.m. ET about 7 hours after they began deliberating today. "Put it out of your mind until Monday," Ellis said, adding, "Thank you for your work today."' (CNN) 17:10
'The judge noted he was now receiving special protection, which we hadn't heard about before. The judge said he would unseal most of the sealed bench conferences and other materials at the end of the trial, which the press lawyer was fine with' 




VERDICT: To follow



Note: Updated throughout the day.



BONUS
Complimentary 'TRAITOR' sign (as seen behind Paul Manafort!)



FEEDBACK & NOTES
Let us know what you think is working/not working. These are quite intensive so some days more thorough than others. If you'd like to help, would love it if you guys posted stuff that could go under these headers that could be added to the Thread. Thanks!
Paul Manafort Trial - Day 14 [08/17/18] JURY DELIBERATION & VERDICT

WHAT IS THIS?

A (hopefully) good 'round-up' repository of the day's trial events and a place for general discussion. Also please do post links, and we'll add them here. Some posts might get removed from our front page to be added here (but almost never will), we'll certainly be sure to not tamper with the big bombshells. Thanks, your humble Mod Team. #ManafortTrial

WHILE YOU'RE WAITING

Maddow - Manafort jury's questions set court watchers guessing MSNBC

KEY PLAYERS

Accused: PAUL MANAFORT Defense: Thomas Zehnle (Defense Attorney) Kevin Downing (Defense Attorney) Richard Westling (Defense Attorney) Prosecution: Uzo Asonye (Prosecutor) Greg Andres (Prosecutor) Branden Van Grack(Prosecutor)

CHARGES

5 counts filing false tax returns (Counts 1, 2, 3, 4, 5)

4 counts counts of failure to report foreign bank and financial accounts (Counts 11, 12, 13, 14)

5 counts bank fraud conspiracy (Counts 24, 26, 28, 29, 31)

4 counts bank fraud (Counts 25, 27, 30, 32)

- Source: https://www.justice.gov/file/1038391/download

ESTIMATED DURATION

Prosecution rests its case (08/13/18)

Defense rests 08/14/18.

Closing Arguments 08/15/18.

Jury Deliberates 08/16/18 (undefined timescale)

Verdict.

ARCHIVE

DAY | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13

TODAY

Starts: Friday 9:30am EST

Location: Alexandria, Virginia

STATUS In session.

WITNESSES

Full Witness List.

Previous: Tad Devine - Democratic political consultant who worked with Manafort in Ukraine Daniel Rabin - political consultant who worked with Paul Manafort in Ukraine through his firm, Rabin Strasberg Matthew Mikuska - FBI Agent who was involved in Manafort raid Maximillian Katzman - works at his father's high-end men's fashion store in New York where Manafort was a big spender Ronald Wall - Chief Financial Officer of House of Bijan Daniel Opsut - Financial Officer from a Mercedes-Benz dealership in Virginia Wayne Holland Manafort's neighbor and real estate agent Stephen Jacobson - General contractor Doug DeLuca - owner of a design and construction firm in Northern Virginia Joel Maxwell - chief operative officer of Big Picture Solutions Michael Regolizio - of New Leaf Maintenance Heather Washkuhn - Paul Manafort's bookkeeper Philip Ayliff - accountant with Kositzka, Wicks & Company Cindy LaPorta - Manafort's Accountant Paula Liss - a special agent with the FinCEN Richard W. Gates III Cont'd - Manafort's business partner Morgan Magionos - FBI forensic accountant. Michael Welch IRS agent Melinda James - mortgage loan assistant from Citizens Bank Darin Evenson - director of customer experience AirBnB Peggy Miceli - underwriting exec at Citizens Bank Taryn Rodriguez with Citizens Bank Gary Seferian with Banc of California Dennis Raico - Federal Savings Bank Jim Brennan - VP Federal Savings Bank Today: No more witnesses to be called WATCH LIVE FEED To follow LIVE BLOGS NBC LIVE CNN - LIVE [Independent - LIVE] WaPo - Currently Inactive TWITTER Rachel Weiner Matt Zapotosky Justin Jouvenal Gary Grumbach Zoe Tillman David Pontious Jim Sciutto Brandi Buchman Shimon Prokupecz STORIES SOURCE ADDED To follow X X

HEADLINES

TRIAL RESUMES 9:30

The jury continue to deliberate.

'1. The jury asked if a person had to file a foreign bank report if they owned less than 50% of the account, didn't have signatory authority, but did have authority to disburse funds. The judge reread an earlier instruction on this, which said ownership had to be more than 50%' (ZT)

'2. The jury asked the judge to define a "shelf" company and the filing requirements as to income. The judge said they'd have to rely on their recollection.' (ZT)

'3. The jury asked the judge to redefine "reasonable doubt." The judge said the govt was not required to prove its case beyond "all possible doubt." The term meant doubt "based on reason," he said' (ZT)

'4. The jury asked if they could get an amended copy of the exhibit list reflecting which indictment counts a particular piece of evidence related to. The judge said no, they had to rely on their collective recollection of the evidence' (ZT)

'The jury was sent back to resume deliberations at 9:38 a.m. ET. With that, the jury has now entered its second day of deliberations.' (CNN) 10:00

'That may well be it for a while.

I'm away from this thread for 45mins. Apologies.

Back now.

'As the jury deliberates, Trump says: I think the Manafort trial is sad. He is a good person. Asked if he would pardon Manafort, Trump answered "I don't talk about that." 11:25

'We are approaching 9 hours of jury deliberation in the Mueller investigation. ' 11:30

'Jurors working through lunch. Lunch was rolled in on a cart by a court employee at 1159a. Seen on the cart: white styrofoam boxes and chips.' (SP) 12:15

'Some context on "reasonable doubt" in Manafort. 4th circuit allows explanation if requested but discourages: "We remain convinced that attempting to explain the words ... is more dangerous than leaving a jury to wrestle with only the words themselves."' (RW) 12:50

'Still waiting. Jurors have important work to do here. Patience. And believe me, the knot in my stomach is just as real. But we wait.' (BB) 13:15

'If #Manafort is found guilty on counts 29 & 30, bank fraud & conspiracy to commit bank fraud, SPC asks jury to reach a "special verdict" about which Manafort assets will be seized by the government if he's found guilty.' (BB) 14:10

'Paul Manafort and his defense team are in the courtroom for the 2p hearing on motions brought by CNN and other media to unseal parts of the trial that were sealed as well as the names of jurors. The judge had asked the team - including Manafort - to attend.' (SP)

'Judge T.S. Ellis III has declined a motion by WaPo, CNN and BuzzFeed to unseal jurors names. Nor will he release sealed transcripts from bench conferences. He has said he will order them released after the #ManafortTrial concludes.' (BB) 14:15

'Judge won’t release names of jurors citing safety reasons. Says he is under 24/7 US Marshals protection after threats and said “I had no idea this case excited this emotion in the public.”'

'Insofar as the sealed bench conference transcripts, those too will be released. "The seal isn't permanent. All will be available for public scrutiny and criticism." - Judge Ellis' (BB)

ANOTHER NOTE DELIVERED FROM JURY 14:45

'UPDATE: #manaforttrial jury has sent a note to the judge.....defense attorneys and Manafort’s wife have entered court house to hear what the jury says' (Paula Reid)

'Prosecutors and defense lawyers have entered the courtroom having been notified of a note from the jury.'

'It does not appear that jurors have reached a verdict today in the #ManafortTrial. The judge has said later today he will ask jurors if they wish to reconvene at 11AM or 1PM Monday.' (BB) 15:00

Looks like we're resuming Monday

'One of the jurors has “an event” this evening apparently. “What a kick in the pants,” one attendee muttered as the crowd filed out, grumbling.'

'Paul Manafort's attorney Kevin Downing told reporters the team "really appreciate the support of President Trump," when asked by reporters about the President's comments concerning Manafort earlier today.What Trump said this morning: The President answered questions about the Manafort trial as he left the White House on his way to New York. "I think the whole Manafort trial is sad," Trump said. "I think it's a very sad day for our country. He worked for a me for a very short period of time. But you know what, he happens to be a very good person. I think it's very sad what they've done to Paul Manafort."' (CNN)

'1. People screaming for jurors to be left without food/water until reaching a verdict - That is patently ridiculous. And I don't need to explain why. If you don't know why, you've got bigger problems than this to solve.' (BB)

'2. People screaming at jurors for having plans; you know, people have things like kids to pick up or weddings, or funerals, or wakes, or any number of things that actually happen in real life that are unforseen when you get called for jury duty'

'3. People screaming for justice! justice! justice! but can't muster up enough patience to LET THE JURY DO THEIR WORK, calm down. Everything in time. Good or bad, it comes, in time. You FREAKING OUT is not going to make waiting any easier.'

'4. People proposing to know ANYTHING about what is going inside the juror's room are lying to you. Period.'

'Charges' has been updated to 18 counts (not 32 - that was including Gates). Apologies.

'Judge T.S. Ellis dismissed the jury for the weekend at 4:55 p.m. ET about 7 hours after they began deliberating today. "Put it out of your mind until Monday," Ellis said, adding, "Thank you for your work today."' (CNN) 17:10

'The judge noted he was now receiving special protection, which we hadn't heard about before. The judge said he would unseal most of the sealed bench conferences and other materials at the end of the trial, which the press lawyer was fine with'

VERDICT: To follow

Note: Updated throughout the day.

BONUS Complimentary (as seen behind Paul Manafort!)

FEEDBACK & NOTES Let us know what you think is working/not working. These are quite intensive so some days more thorough than others. If you'd like to help, would love it if you guys posted stuff that could go under these headers that could be added to the Thread. Thanks!

I can't say I disagree with Ellis' decision to keep juror's names under seal. If they don't decide today, going home would be a nightmare.

I was a juror for the trial of a low level drug dealer who sold 3.5 grams of cocaine to an undercover officer.

Deliberations started on a Friday and we didn't reach a verdict so we were sequestered THE WEEKEND BEFORE CHRISTMAS.

This was a nothing trial for a no one...

Yet I spent a weekend in a bare hotel room with no phone and no television. I had 5 minutes to call my wife before I surrendered my cell phone to a ziploc bag. A Court officer had to escort me to the bathroom during our meals so no one would "interfere" with me as a juror and taint the trial. I wasn't allowed any periodicals (not even my road and track magazine) as I might read something about the trial (which wasn't even covered).

And here these jurors are, in a trial that leads the news, that the PRESIDENT won't stop tweeting about... at home for the weekend.

I do not understand.

My opinion from yesterday still stands

🔒👨⬆️

Anyone else think we should set up a FAQ that dispels some of these doom and gloom comments and predictions and then not allowing questions answered by the FAQ anymore?

Getting a bit tired of the exact same 'I'm 100% positive, despite any evidence, some MAGA nut is going to ruin this!' and 'Any more then an hour means they'll find him innocent' type stuff. We dispel them, then 10 minutes later someone posts the exact same thing.

I get people are anxious, but maybe we should be finding ways to keep the freak outs to a minimum?

I hope he gets both of them

I hope he gets both of them

"Uh-huh-huh. I'm gonna score."

Frankly I find Butthead far more coherent.

Really wish I’d read her Wikipedia sooner. She’s shockingly a Republican despite the way that party has vilified her. She ran for Senate as a Republican because...

Her decision was inspired by disclosures that the Republican National Committee (RNC) had paid expenses for fundraisers at a "lesbian bondage themed nightclub" in Los Angeles, stating that the revelations "finally tipped the scales".[3] She explained that the RNC's use of party funds for sex convinced her that Republicans represented her libertarian values best

And as if this weren’t all batshit enough, her campaign manager’s car blew up, apparently from a fucking car bomb.

Credit where credit is due though, her campaign slogan was pretty fantastic. “Stormy Daniels: Screwing People Honestly”.

You mean both Beavis AND Butt-head?

Thank you Adm. McRaven. Perhaps this is the start of the #MineToo movement.

Thank you Adm. McRaven. Perhaps this is the start of the #MineToo movement.

Through your actions, you have embarrassed us in the eyes of our children, humiliated us on the world stage and, worst of all, divided us as a nation.

Boom.

Real Patriots speaking up without fear. THIS is the real America.

McRaven is not very political. This is a big deal. The spin Trumpsters are already putting out to say he isn’t patriotic is truly disappointing, I just can’t believe the Trump hill is the one they are choosing to die on. McRaven is unequivocally a hero.

I’ve been asking, “Where are the Patriots?”

Here’s one.

Try one of these subthreads