Woman gets rejected for a job because she wore a t-shirt and was late, complains that it's sexism

Woman gets rejected for a job because she wore a t-shirt and was late, complains that it's sexism

If I had been a man would it had mattered what I was wearing?

Yes! I used to work for a big consulting firm and some of the hiring managers would refuse to start any interview if the candidate wasn't wearing a suit and tie!

Last two jobs I interviewed at the manager / ceo was wearing shorts and a football shirt in the interview and looked like he was about to hit the beach.

I wore a suit and tie for both. Got both jobs. First day, I wore jeans and a t-shirt just like everyone else.

You gotta play the game, demonstrate that you can be smart and professional and understand what is expected of you.

I think this story is another example of women not appreciating that men have a hard time of life in general, and when they suddenly enter this reality themselves, they simply can't believe people live without female privilege.

(Bentivegna says she told them she was running late ahead of time.)

That doesn't negate the fact you're late, it's nice that you told them ahead of time, but as you said you were getting READY for HOURS... thus there's no justifiable reason, other than to "look damn good" or however she put it.

You were late so you could look "good". Not a good impression, and now the employer knows exactly why you were late and are probably thinking they dodged major bullet.

And future employers will google her, find this story and her unreasonable attitude and run for the hills. Anything will set her off apparently and they could risk being run through the mud if they touch her with a 100 feet pole.

She didn't think this through at all, but hey she got to play victim. So.. "YOU GO GURRRRL!"

So, and this is according to -her- story, she shows up late and didn't dress professionally for a job interview. Then somehow she's surprised she didn't get the job?

Of course she is. She's a female who programs. Therefore she should automatically get every job she wants, because vagina!

Also, does anyone else think that it is far more likely that the female hiring manager would notice and object to a run in her tights than the two male engineers?

This woman is just unbelievably stupid. She'S put this out there where anyone can see it. Every prospective employer just needs to google her name and whammo! No job for you. But it doesn't matter because she'S gonna change the world (in tights).

male IT guy here

wtf is a "run in her tights"

*edit: i am now informed, i can confirm, i would not notice, honestly i porbably couldnt tell you what coloured shirt she was wearing 20 mins after she left, hell i dont even know the colour of the shirt the guy accross from me is wearing without looking.

I had an interview on my lunch break that involved me getting changed into a suit & tie in a toilet cubicle, so it's laughable for someone to claim they spent hours getting ready like that somehow made them entitled to the job.

On time is late. 5 minutes early is on time.

Same here. Most jobs I've interviewed for, I've been severely over-dressed compared to those interviewing me. Guess what? I've never interviewed without getting a job offer (solid lifetime 6/6 record).

Do I interview really well? For sure - it's one of my strong suits; but I knew if I under-dressed, my chances could have been hurt. There are very few places that will dock you marks for over-dressing. If anything, it shows your commitment and your willingness to overachieve.


It was definitely the female hiring manager's call. No one criticizes women like other women do. But then these reasons were probably just their justification because they couldn't write down "Entitled bitch who thought we owed her a job".

Every position I've seen us have interviews for, our male supervisors root for the women. If they had passable skills and just came off as nice then they'll get picked over the men everytime.

If I had been a man would it had mattered what I was wearing?

Good fucking gawd. How is someone that detached from reality in any way qualified for any sort of professional job? I would argue that no knowing how you dress matters is actually worse than not dressing well for one event, as it shows poor judgement & business awareness.

It doesn't matter. I work at a place where the office attire is 'business casual'. In reality, most people wear jeans and t-shirts every day.

However, when someone comes for an interview, they always dress up!

First impressions count a lot and some managers take that very seriously! That's why it's important to dress up for a job interview - you never know how the hiring person will react to the way you look. Some managers will frown at jeans and t-shirt and think the person is lazy and doesn't care much. Don't forget that dressing smart is also a form of showing respect for others.

For a programming job I always would dress office smart.

It's just the way it is, it's not about genders and crying sexism, in this case, it's immature.

I bet you were on time, too.

I had an interview in São Paulo once where I had to sneak out of my job in normal clothes and get in a suit inside my car while crossing the town. (ofc pants and shoes came in when I parked) All that facing one of the worst traffics in the world and trying not to be late.

But somehow she has a problem worth of a news article.

Interesting use of the word 'denied' in the article title. Seems the author expects any female programmer should be automatically entitled to land any job she applies for and when that doesn't happen, it must be due to an employers "prejudice " and not just losing out to a better applicant.

It's not just your anecdotal experience.

I'm the chief of staff of a veterinary hospital. If somebody calls me and tells me they'll be late for an interview I tell them not to bother.

If I take time away from my patients and my clients for you? You'd better be the fuck on time.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking as I read that. People will see that and they will not hire her.

I was thinking that the company who didn't hire here are probably now thinking, "phew -- that was a close one -- good call, HR!"

Men wear slacks a button up and tie to every interview I've ever been at (and I work in a creative field). Do feminist women literally think that men just walk around all day doing whatever we want and getting pats on the back for it?

I'm a programmer. I work at a place where I wear jeans and hiking shoes every day.

You know what I wore to the job interview?

A fucking suit and tie.

One tiny mention of being late... It does not matter that you told them you were running late. That alone cost you the job and the other stuff was magnified by your demonstrated unprofessionalism. Get there on time and grow the fuck up.

She has a vagina. That is all that is needed to qualify for any job in the mind of a feminist.

To be fair, the employer said more than they should have. Their response should have simply been something along the lines of "We apologize, but we do not believe you are a good fit with our corporate culture."

That could mean any number of things and would include their feeling that she was unprofessional and late.

Sure, she probably would have complained, but then they're not tying it to her attire which is what seems to have sparked the issue.

Either way, I wouldn't have hired her based on being late alone. Punctuality is key and I always aim to be 15-30 minutes early for an interview. It's better that I wait in the waiting room than they wait for me to arrive. The only time I would excuse it would be for extenuating circumstances, such as a car accident or terrorist attack or some such. But completely preventable circumstances such as taking too long to get ready? That's on you.

As far as attire, it'd rather be overdressed in the interview and appear professional (suit and tie) than be under-dressed and appear uncaring. Once you've got the job, it doesn't matter as much, as long as you follow their dress code. But you have to dress to impress in an interview...

Working at a place and letting your wardrobe slip into casual and showing up to an interview in casual are two different things.

I work at a place that is pretty lax on dress code, but my boss would not hire anyone that showed up to an interview in jeans and a t-shirt. Bosses usually want to know that you can be well put together, not that you are on a daily basis.

lol i love that mentality:

Me : "..and why do you think you should get this job?"

Applicant: "because i really want it!"

Me: "that's not an answer. Your desires have nothing to do with the competency you offer us. This isn't a wishing-well and you're not a 5 year-old at Christmas. I want to blown by the Swedish Volleyball team noon and night, but that doesn't make me suddenly attractive to the ladies."

If I had been a man would it had mattered what I was wearing?


In companies that have written dress codes the dress code for men will generally be significantly shorter. If men are required to wear long sleeve shirts and long pants (no jeans) women can probably wear female suits, tights, skirts, blouses, dresses and various other items of women's clothing I can't remember.

Generally it is men who have less flexibility in socially acceptable clothing, and this is not a recent advent.

The only reason I'd ever think it was acceptable for myself to be late to an interview would be a genuine disaster, like a big explosion in the city or a massive powercut stranding me on the tube.

And I'd turn up in a suit. It's not that complicated...

My opinion here is that there is nothing wrong with what she was wearing, and if I was interviewing her, it wouldn't have been an issue. But I'm not everyone, and I can see how others might have a different opinion.

Her point that people there work in jeans and t-shirts, however, is invalid. They work there in those clothes, but you can be sure that they didn't interview in those clothes. There is a difference.

But now she has put this out public, and other companies can learn who she is without even offering an interview. If I was another firm, I wouldn't offer her the interview because this story has now made her a harassment lawsuit waiting to happen. The first time things don't go her way, she'll lash out and blame someone. I wouldn't want her personality working for me (male or female).

But she just wanted it so bad! pouts

Yes, yes they do.

Seems the author expects any female programmer should be automatically entitled to land any job she applies for and when that doesn't happen, it must be due to an employers "prejudice " and not just losing out to a better applicant.

Feminism in practice.

Depends on the firm. Most don't require a suit and tie, but interviewees should at least wear a collard shirt or something.

I recently was hired at a web firm. Wore slacks, collared shirt, best, and tie for the interview. Got the job. Now I wear jeans or shorts and a tshirt.

In the work force it is generally known that you dress up for the interview if you want the job. Even if it means you're the best dressed person in the office for the duration of the interview.

Edit: spelling

Women have a lot more leeway when it comes to dressing for an interview. For men, a suit is standard. For women, there are pantsuits, skirtsuits, or any number of pant/skirt and blouse combinations that can be used. The trick is in how it's put together.

Frankly, this is what happens when a group of people start believing their own bullshit -- that is that they are victims due to some amorphous, hard to objectively verify discriminatory force in society. We all have obstacles that we need to overcome in life, people just need to get on with it without always looking to blame others for their failures (like this womyn here) or just plain old bad fortune/circumstances.

If this nonsense is ever going to stop, a broader cross-section of men in society, and the women without victim-complexes, need to speak out more consistently and forcefully when nonsense like this does appear. The problem is that those few who do object immediately fall prey to ad hominem attacks (e.g., you're sexist!!!).

Welcome to America, the land of the victims.


Nonsense. I've worked in systems and software and engineering for 10 years, interview attire is always a suit, first day is always a suit, regardless of what everyone else is wearing or what is acceptable - it's common 'etiquette'. It doesn't matter what they do at Apple or Google, you turn up in a star wars t shirt you're saying something, and that something isn't appropriate for an interview

Holy shit. This article should be an automatic reference against the workplace bias argument. The last sentence sums it up nicely "the only hiring bias is in women's favor"

The thing I find works absolutely 100% best for me is to treat the interview as less of an interrogation and more of a conversation. Instead of a strict "ask a question, give an answer" format, I usually tend to end up chit-chatting with the recruiters, asking them about culture, joking around... You don't want to push it and act like you're so comfortable you don't care, but if your interview felt more like a conversation between friends - chances are they really liked you.

I also learn as much about the company as humanly possible. If you can spurt out names of their current clients, give examples of exactly which projects they're working on that you can contribute to, etc... They LOVE that. Seriously, be as creepy as possible looking the company up. Learn everything.

Lastly, I'm usually brutally honest. If they ask me if I have skills doing something, I'll tell them a very honest "no." But then spin it around, like "no, I don't have experience in this program but I had learned a similar program at a previous company and received compliments on how quickly I picked it up - I'm a quick learner, etc..."

Extra pointer: Smile as much as possible. I act like I'm the happiest, most polite, most fun-loving person in the world. People don't want to work with someone who will bring them down. Act genuinely excited to do the job, no matter how mundane it may be.

I'm in the software world as well, and I wear band shirts and hoodies. But do you know what I wore to my interview? A full suit and tie because that's what do you for professional level interviews.

Exactly. Headline should be "Woman not hired for being unprofessional, proceeds to go on unprofessional tirade confirming their assumptions"

I guarantee they just picked up a lot of bad vibes from her. Her whole attitude seemed to say "I am entitled to the job because I'm a woman in CS"

Sometimes we don't hire people purely based on "feel". They might have a great resume, experience and be eager, but if they just "rub us wrong", we're not going to hire you.

It's really hard to explain reasons to someone when it just didn't feel right. Maybe she was too arrogant and they didn't feel she had an accurate idea of her own importance.

To be fair, the employer said more than they should have.

No! Screw that. They were 100% honest and accurate in their assessment. If anyone should have said less it was her, shit she literally said:

"Fuck you, OnShift. You clearly are too stupid to realize what you just turned down."

To her would-be employer. Yeah, she said way too much, not them. I hope her future potential employers/recruiters can looks her up and see this shit, that way they can avoid this unprofessional cunt in the future.

Besides, bullet dodged for them, this is the kind of asshole that would probably file a sexual harassment lawsuit over any little thing, especially around programmers which are mostly dudes cracking jokes all day. Fuck that.

The problem is she isn't radfem, this is an accurate representation of mainstream feminism. They can't impose the privileges they feel entitled to without suppressing the rights of others.

Sufficient doesn't make you the best candidate. Someone else interviewed better.

You might not be lying, but you may have just gotten lucky, I'm not sure how you don't know that it's just standard to where a suit to an interview.

I'm not so sure this is anything more than a private Facebook rant that got picked up and alchemized into a story by Buzzfeed (by way of her friend). Read back through the things Bentivegna says in the interview; she doesn't even explicitly blame OnShift. She just relays the facts. No rant, no charged rhetoric.

This definitely doesn't make her look good, but I'm not so sure she wanted this to go any farther than her Facebook circle.

Seriously, this post just killed any future job opportunities (except maybe at Buzzfeed)

Oh, I cannot abide tardiness. I am preternaturally early-- by most people's standards. And I have no minimum threshold for what should constitute when something is important enough to be punctual. If I say to a saleperson on the phone I will be there at x-o'clock, that claim is every bit as important as getting to a job interview on time. It probably stems from the teen friend of mine who would think nothing of showing up 4 hours late, if at all. Swore I'd never waste someone else's time if I could help it. It's just decent.

These interview techniques don't work for every company.

They will however work for every company worth working for.

Well the article does mention a specific tweet:

I work in software dev, for those that wouldn't hire her, the guys show up to interviews in jeans and tshirts.

Even though that's broad and might not apply to this company in question, I'd argue that even jeans and a t-shirt imply "neutral" as far as how they care about their appearance.

But this girl obviously spent a lot of time on her appearance, and it was definitely not a corporate outfit. It doesn't look like she wore an 'everyday' sort of outfit; she wore a vibrant, showy dress, put on showy makeup, and had her hair died a vibrant red.

I'd say even ignoring your appearance and going with the jeans/t-shirt approach would be better than sending a message that you actively try to achieve an unprofessional look.

I agree that clothes don't always matter, but if your interviewer is a stickler for it, then isn't it best to err on the side of caution? It's a sign of respect to the person who's taking time out of their day to see if you're worthy of being given money.

So what if the employees wear jeans? They're already employed and know what the dress code is like. They've been able to impress in other ways by now. They're not making a first impression.

Most of the time employers don't unless you ask them for feedback

I'm not even asking questions then! I'll just grab the pre-hire paperwork and start signing.

Thw guys I used to carpool to school with learned real fast how long I would wait for them. I was on time every day. If you made me wait to the point where I'd be late to get the next guy, I would leave you behind with no apologies. I'm not going to be late because you don't respect other people's time.

I think the biggest problem with what she's wearing is that she chose to wear a red skirt. Professional attire usually means neutral colors.

It was her choice to publish that on Facebook. Think about how many FB friends you have, and how close you are to most of them. Think about the type of person you would need to be to post that to 500+ people, 450+ of which could care less about how your interview went.

This is a classic attention-seeker/trouble maker that HR companies run away from like the plague.

Now we await the, "Sexist IT companies won't hire a woman who's not afraid to put her opinion out there!" article...

They shouldn't have even told her why they didn't hire her.

What an idiot. You didn't come prepared and you just got your shit pushed in. Coming in late and with the wrong attire? No one owes you a job. You have to be professional regardless of whatever the other person is wearing. Using "I'm a woman" as an excuse is just pathetic.

there once was a time where a tuxedo was considered "dangerously casual"


A person who expects a company to understand that "she is running late" has some real entitlement. If I was late for an interview for whatever reason, I would never blame the company for rejecting me.

Silicon Valley is one area and not a reflection of the entire business world. Your opinion does not matter to the people that are responsible for hiring. You play by their rules or they will hire someone who will. You also must consider that many people are trying for the same position as you. Sometimes even dozens. I guarantee someone with your skills or better will show up in a suit, even if it's just one of them. So if it's down to you and that person, better luck next time, but luck had nothing to do with it if you think about it. That person seems more prepared, cares more about how they come off to others, and shows that even in the beginning they will put in extra effort to get what they want. You are always competing with many, always.

Can't believe any of this is even being debated. business formal for your interview or get the fuck out. it's how its always been.

Unless the recruiter was trying to help ber out, talk about biting the hand that feeds you.

Just to check, were you actually given the jobs when you turned up in a tshirt? Or did they just not kick off? You must really have something going for you to have the balls to turn up at any interview in a tshirt.

That really doesn't really apply to the situation. What matters is if this company expects people to dress professionally for interviews. It would not be unreasonable or out of the norm if they did.

I'd say even ignoring your appearance and going with the jeans/t-shirt approach would be better than sending a message that you actively try to achieve an unprofessional look.


What she did is the equivalent of a guy showing up to an interview with frosted tips, a bad shirt only half buttoned, and gold chains around their neck.

Jeans / Tshirt gets bonus over that guy.

Especially if you work in a right to work state. You usually don't even get a reason that someone didn't hire you. Most likely they will just ignore you.