I'm just at a loss of what to do

I'm just at a loss of what to do

Get organized. Join a union. Join a political group. Observe what's going on in your area, plan and execute actions to support or oppose. Collaborate with other groups in nearby towns and cities. Build a network for greater solidarity to plan and execute even bigger actions.

Also: laugh, dance, paint, sculpt, love and care for others. What good is a revolution without dancing?

Ain't nobody got time for that.

But seriously. We all have at least 9-5's, most of us don't make that much money due to bills that are being passed such as this, we have family and responsibilities beyond work, the little free time we have we're exhausted.

How can you have a revolution if you're starving, a slave to making just enough money to scrape by? Where can anybody find the time to do anything?

It all feels so hopeless.

"If the revolution ain't gonna be televised, then fuck, I'll probably miss it".

But trickle down economics will work this time!

The scary thing about Net Neutrality being repealed is that maybe the revolution won't be accessible via internet either.

How can you have a revolution if you're starving, a slave to making just enough money to scrape by? Where can anybody find the time to do anything?

Proletarian revolutions have almost always been started by the destitute and desperate. As bad as things are, and they are bad, we aren't quite at the level of personal immiseration as say, Russia 1917.

The only trickle I'm getting is the rich pissing down my back and telling me it's raining.

They'll use the money to create job.

If they weren't there the poors would be starving to death cause those fools can't create jobs /s

Well, without meals on wheels maybe we can just cut to the chase and eat the rich?

Seize the means

This is surreal since the proponents of laissez faire are doing everything in their power to not fall under their own policies. The truth is these fuckers love that horrible, socialist welfare and bestow themselves with it whenever possible.

Socialism for the rich, capitalism for the poor. It keeps the rich rich and the poor poor.

i don't go all in on this sub like some of you do, but yeah, this country could absolutely experience an actual revolution

all it takes is a few days without food. has happened again and again throughout history

Because as we all know people with spending money don't stimulate economies one bit /s

But I reckon your first statement is on point. With all those billions of dollars, the rich will create one job.

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This cannot be said enough. If you're feeling hopeless in this whirlwind of misery, you need to find a focus for yourself. There are plenty of organizations that stand against all the injustices we are seeing across the United States and the imperialism which is occurring overseas. Join your local IWW, or Socialist Alternative, or ISO, or at the very least DSA. We need to start moving the political discussion to alternative systems, we've been living under capitalism for over 200 years and it's helped some, hurt and killed others, but even with the increased productivity of the system we haven't progressed as a species to be able to actually cope with the largest problems across the globe(war, global warming, sexism, racism, etc...).

At what point do we stand up and say enough of this shit, we want a better system which works for everyone?

I think the moment people start to feel helpless is that moment.


all it takes is a few days without food

I assume you're referring to the working class and/or middle class in this case, since there are already plenty of homeless people who go without food for days.

"Michigan is surrounded by water! How can Flint not have any???"

The USA needs a militant labour movement ASAP.

I'm saying this as someone who's very pro-union:

Many unions (in the US anyway - the only ones I'm familiar with personally) are just labor aristocracies. De facto country clubs. You either 'fit with their culture' or you're out before your probation is done. Unions are just as capable of corruption and shitting on selected members as businesses are. The proof is in the growing private sector for trades - if the trade unions were really inclusive, there'd be no private, non-union sector. Who the fuck is going to work for $12-16/h in a trade when they can get their foot in their door for $42/h in five years? The people who the union won't let in, that's who.

That all being said, at least you have something - a contract, a right to arbitration, overtime pay, call out pay, and so on written into law. Still, some unions are fucking terrible, and some non-union businesses are great. It's not as cut and dry as some might want you to believe.

Word of mouth and sealed lips, cause loose lips sink ships.

Make the rich afraid again.

Its entirely by design.


I read "raining" like "training" as in "getting paid in experience" and it still works

Maybe we'll have to use newspapers again.

Let's just hope if people start resorting cannibalism, they remember a very important quote: "Eat the rich."

This. At this juncture, American socialists need to be arming themselves and focusing most of their efforts on radicalizing left-leaning liberals. Organization and strategy will naturally follow.

yeah, of course

it takes people that are used to having food -- used to not going without, for a revolution to happen. take a man that voted for Trump and makes 100k a year, takes care of his family, good father and all that although misguided on a lot of issues. He's still a father and a husband. Die hard Trump supporter.

Take that same guy and have him watch his children and wife literally starve to death because reasons, doors will be kicked down for that man's family to eat. people will eat each other in a situation like that. literally, in some cases

I'm not a water engineer, but my guess is the Great Lakes are too polluted to drink. And Flint probably doesn't have the resources to clean it. I believe most municipalities take drinking water from rivers or streams.

I live in SW michigan, and most of our drinking water comes from wells outside sizeable cities or from reclamation plants. You don't want to drink out of the rivers around here, they're disgusting.

Companies have been posting record profits year after year with incredible executive compensation packages.

How much more do they need before they can provide those better benefits? Before they can hire additional staff and let it cut into their profits?


Just to correct the record, Flint has water now. Or at least it has the money to replace its pipes now. One of the last bills through Congress that Obama signed gave them federal funds.

Tinkle down economics

I feel you there, but we do have to remember that political movements have always managed to spread amongst the disenfranchised, before even the telephone, let alone the internet.

Of course, we should fight tooth and nail to preserve every means of communication we have, but never feel as though one lost battle has cost us the war.

No, Flint has switched back to the Great Lakes Water Authority, which pulls the water from Lake Huron. The original switch to the Flint River (a “cost-saving” measure signed off on by the then-emergency manager and approved by city council) technically could have worked, with proper corrosion control treatment. But they added no corrosion control, and the lead service lines corroded.

It was really a small technical error with outsize impact. But the true failing in Flint was how everyone ignored the residents’ complaints, from the city to the state. One EPA staff member tried to flag the issue, but didn’t get anywhere.

Source: I’m a journalist who covered the crisis and have written about it extensively.


Its what happens when companies can do whatever they want. Its cheaper to dump shit in water than to properly take care of and store waste safely.

i guess just get rich.

yeah but we'll need a fleet of volunteers to blend the rich down into an edible slurry for the elderly & disabled

You revolt precisely because you're starving. Because through that starvation the veil is pulled out from in front of your eyes. The political mythologies they've been building for decades, that romantic nationalist allure, the daily dose of propaganda, that implicit and unavoidable allegiance of yours to the structure upon which your existence was hinged -- all of that falls apart the moment they can't feed you.

This is the second paragraph of the Declaration of Independence:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

I think it's about time to get this party started.

They've pretty much flat out said they were just going to pocket the cash.

The slaves that will revolt are the ones NOT making enough money to scrape by. It has to be life or death for each person individually.

Talking about starving, appearently the farmers of America are killing themselves at a rate higher than any other group because of low prices on grain. Their median income is negative, it's ridiculous. Read it here yesterday:


Trickle - "a small flow of liquid" "a thin stream" adjectives : drip, dribble

Mmm sounds promising! Let's bank our futures on this!!

The chemicals in the water catch fire, not the water itself.

to create job.

Just one, though.

All of Elon's business models are based upon government subsidies. It isn't charity.

If he can get his batteries installed with government funding, then he can use PR as a cheaply installed and operated testbed for his new tech with little risk. He sees an opportunity to take advantage of the situation and embed Tesla into the power grid for a long time.

Pretty sure we do.

But I'm also pretty sure we have regulations to prevent monopolies. And stuff in place to protect whistleblowers. Not, uh,... not lookin' too good, I don't think.

Jeepers creepers, where'd you get those peepers.

Just to add some context... this wasn't at all unheard of back then, but this one is well known because a journalist just happened to be on the scene at the time.

Didn't some rivers near Detroit catch fire at some point?

You really don't think that the major fascist collaborators don't already own tons of bitcoin? They already stocked up during the fork = free money, no fork = no free money jk scandal. Now buying bitcoin just makes them richer. Diversify to other crypto assets.

The problem in PR isn't that there is no power being generated, it's that the power plants are on the other side of the island from the major metro areas and all of the power lines in between were destroyed. Elon is full of shit and not helping anyone but himself.

I feel very angry and very helpless at the same time

So true, the top comment on these kind of post is always-

'Dedicate your life to politics'

When most of us are barely dragging our asses out of bed every morning!

They already did. 90+% of Flint has had clean drinking water since September 2017.

Actually bothering to vote would be a start.

That certainly didn't stop France.

This is how I feel, between work and family time, I feel like all I have time to do is spread the word when I can and vote.

R e v o l t

You're sounding like my dad. TIL Dad is not a bonkers old dude.

Jobs in new companies selling water, power and meals on wheels at a premium.

Relevant song

Actually Flint's water is getting better.

Aes <3

Start a co-op maybe? Run for city council? Or school board? Radicalize your fellow workers. Things can change extraordinarily quickly.

Did you know Jeepers Creepers 3 came this year? And it was a made for tv film. And it sucked.

My Dad sells used boats for a living. Has been in the boating business all his life, and that's the only trade he knows.

It's a luxury trade, which means economic downturns hit it hard. No one is buying boats in a depression.

To repurpose himself would be competing with people in their 20's. He's 65.

He has no savings because he got into this trade when it was booming in the 90s. He didn't want to abandon his business after the first economic downturn because he, and everyone else, expected it to bounce back. It didn't, not really. And he was pretty much stuck in the trade for the aforementioned reason. So he invested all of his money back into his business.

In the winter of 2014, 80% of yacht brokers in his competitive area went out of business due to the economy. He is one of the best and most respected, so he survived. Barely. Despite this loss of competition, the future is looking bleaker than ever before.

He has three options:

Pray that his social security won't be cut (although this administration is saying they want to) and keep trying his hardest at the boat business.

Go bankrupt at the age of 65 and live in poverty for the rest of his life.

Flee the country to somewhere he won't be tracked down to pay his debt (a serious consideration).

He works 7 days a week, 7am to 7pm. He lives on a boat (as a bad winter is approaching, no less) so he can pay $500/mo in rent. He can not afford the ~$1000/mo that people are asking for. No, he doesn't live in the city, and the only cheap option is a crime- and drug-ridden ghetto.

He used to be in great shape, but he no longer has the time to work out or focus on eating healthy.

I have seen my Dad work his life away, 10-12 hours a day 7 days a week. I have seen his living condition continually deteriorate. I have seen a strong man turn frail. I have seen massive medical bills cripple his finances. I have seen him lose all confidence in the future. I have seen him put in more of an effort his entire life than some people ever have to put into a single day. I have seen him lose everything.

You have tons of disposable income, but you waste it all.

Shut the fuck up.

Soon they'll say we need to privatize social security and cut Medicaid and Medicare to keep the deficit from bursting the national debt into oblivion.

Did you know that the director, Victor Salva, is a convicted child molester?

Yeah, their own.

The gun lobby really knows what it's doing, Jesus Christ.

Better to poison and let suffer hundreds of thousands of hard working people who weren’t born into the right class?

Fine dining.

Charity is nothing but the failures of the government. We shouldn't live in a society where we have to give to the poor when we already give 34% of our money to the government

Old enough to understand that Puerto Rico is a territory of the U.S. and has been for quite sometime

You know we own PR, right?

It may take less than that. I would wager it would take the vast majority of us suffering a single, easily measurable event for an uncomfortable length of time.

For example, when gas prices hit $4 for a few months. People may have been missing out on an extra $50-$100 per month, an irritating but nowhere lethal drop for middle class Americans, but you could drive down the street and see the signs displaying soaring prices.

All of a sudden people started caring about gas mileage and the market for hybrids or electric vehicles soared. All because people lost enough money for a dinner and a movie each month.

You guys don't have safety regulations for this?

In 2009, Puerto Rico paid $3.742 billion into the US Treasury.

Fuck off

Seems like most unions in the US are shit. I once had to join a union to work in a Kroger for minimum wage, and after the union fees I was sub minimum wage.

I was thinking to myself how the fuck am I in a union but making minimum fucking wage? What is it even good for!?!


Puerto Ricans are also required to pay most US federal taxes,[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8] with the major exception being that most residents do not have to pay the federal personal income tax.[9] In 2009, Puerto Rico paid $3.742 billion into the US Treasury.[10] Residents of Puerto Rico pay into Social Security, and are thus eligible for Social Security benefits upon retirement. However, they are excluded from the Supplemental Security Income.

Republican Congress

Live in Flint. The city does have drinking water, but granted not everyone has replacement pipes at this point. The big issue is the lines that go off of the mains, especially in more impoverished areas and "abandoned" homes.

The issue was that the city switched from Detroit municipal water to pumping from the Flint River to save money. This switch meant that much more agents had to be added to clean the water. Additionally, Detroit water has an additive that coats pipes to prevent leeching. Flint chose not to use this additive, again to save money. Without this, old galvanized pipes began to leech lead into the water. The other issue was an increase in the level of Legionnaire's disease which, on it's own is mostly harmless, but when in a host that is sick or has a weakened immune system (e.g. the elderly and infants) it can be fatal.

Flint is now back on Detroit water and in the process of replacing the larger pipes and priorities like schools. There is actually a plan to create a SE Michigan pipeline to Lake Huron for drinking water. Huron is actually fairly clean and requires minimal treatment (grew up in the Thumb, drank Huron water for most of my life), but the infrastructure and construction required for a project like that is just not feasible right now.

Something a lot of people don't realize is that Flint was just the tip of the iceberg, many communities in Michigan (Kalamazoo) actually have higher lead content than Flint, and many many more communities throughout the US have this as well. These communities don't really get the same news coverage because they have not made the information as public, or because Flint took all the attention due to it's economic and demographic status, and the politics involved. I'm glad that the news got out for Flint, but I can't help but feel like a little too much attention has been brought to it as we are still getting water bottles donated (and filling landfills, because recycling is rare here) and other communities need awareness.

Hope this Michigander could help clear this up for you, please feel free to reply if you have any more questions

People often have more power and influence than they believe. Under extreme capitalist ubiquity, one single opposing voice shines, and creates a more than tangible domino effect.