How products are built by companies

How products are built by companies

Chrome will have increasing need for energy that outpaces the vehicle

Perhaps, unbeknownst to even Google, Chrome browsers are secretly mining cryptocurrency to someday fund the robot uprising.

Once tech companies reach a certain size, they cease to be geek havens and are taken over by marketing people and financial bottom-liners. The original goal of creating something cool gives way to the new goal of releasing new versions at regular intervals so everybody will re-buy it, whether there's any real reason or not.

Except I feel like Spotify's Android app just gets progressively worse. Lately I've gotten a lot of "you clicked on {artist/album/song}, but I think you wanted to click 'back'" functionality.

Found part two! I love this kind of humor honestly.

Found part two! I love this kind of humor honestly.

I don't get the facebook one? Is it a lack of privacy thing?

That's what I took it as. The only thing that would improve it would be to plaster the car with logos like a racecar to represent all the advertisements on Facebook.

Looking at which resources Chrome uses, that seems unlikely. Unless they somehow found a way to mine cryptocurrency on RAM modules.

It's clearly missing the car that auto-updates on the highway because you haven't moved the steering wheel for three minutes. And then reboots and does not restore the session, so all your downloads halt when you wanted to get your games from steam over night. Plus it projects shitty ads on your windshield even after you turned that crap off twice already. I hate my windows car.

For people who were as confused about that as me: HDD mining is renting out your hard drive space to companies who then use it to store (encrypted) cloud storage data. It does not use the hard drive's internal processor for mining and has nothing to do with traditional cryptocurrencies or mining.

Oh 100%. Today I just noticed that half of my songs just simply fucking disappeared from the app. Still visible on desktop, just not in the app. Though to be honest the desktop app is a piece of garbage as well and follows pretty much the same trends. The UI especially seems to just gets worse and worse and worse, and it's buggy as fuck. Wish there was a better alternative, would switch in a heartbeat.

I'd put a rocket engine on it. Facebook team was kinda known for having genius developers who create genius problems with their genius solutions for genius problems (or a nice way to say that they had a huge code base problem).

Their iOS app had 18,000 classes at one point (This was their response), and there's ton of other examples to be found of "horrible things Facebook does to solve horrible problems Facebook has"

I mean, HDD mining of all things is a thing...

Haha the windows one is the best.

rip google reader

Spotify is constantly deprecating useful features. The latest one is ability to download "Songs" playlist for offline listening...


Spotify is constantly deprecating useful features. The latest one is ability to download "Songs" playlist for offline listening...

The Spotify build order is all jumbled up.

It should be Jumbled-up Motorcycle => Complete Bicycle => Car without top => Car Without Wheels => A Library on top of a Skateboard


Proof-of-space (PoSpace), also called proof-of-capacity (PoC), is a means of showing that one has a legitimate interest in a service (such as sending an email) by allocating a non-trivial amount of memory or disk space to solve a challenge presented by the service provider. The concept was formulated by Dziembowski et al. in 2015 and independently by Ateniese et al. . Proofs of space are very similar to proofs of work, except that instead of computation, storage is used.

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Microsoft Wget?

I have grown to dislike the utopian example (spotify) in this analogy.

It implies you could aim for your final product to be a car, but instead of spending 5 steps on perfecting a cat - you can build 4 similar products along the way. in the same amount of time! and then just finish off with perfecting the final product in just 1 single step.

As if you can 100% transfer the effort from a previous step into the next step. And as if every product along the way has a market.

I know this is just intended as a very simple and fun little example, but some people actually use it for real and argue along the lines of; “Why should you spend 5 steps of development on perfecting a car? Let’s build 4 other products along the way and evolve, then you can make the car as the final step. It will not take any extra time.”

I‘m all for the MVP approach to building products. But one has to realize that sometimes there is extra work in creating different versions along the way, and it’s not always a fast road to reach your inteded final product.

I disagree. The spotify one should be back to front. Since they love removing features.


Real Programmers can write java in any language.

Maybe, but won't the inventor always be more celebrated than the maintainer?

And luckily the marketing guys don't always have the final word, look at Linus Torvalds, inventor and maintainer of the linux kernel. When he says no, it's not going to happen, no matter how big the company is.

That's just of a function of corporations in general. Doing the actual work of the business always becomes less important than doing anything for a quick cheat.

Your outlier convinces me. Case closed.

Excuse me? Its microsoft edge.

I haven't used Spotify myself, but the Google Play Music interface sucks as well. Their problem is that the first bit of movement of a swipe determines the direction (horizontal, to remove songs or vertical to scroll). So if you put your finger down and it decides you moved a pixel to the left or right, you're now side swiping no matter how much you move up or down.

Ha ha. Google reader. Absolutely true

Google Music has most of what spotify has removed over the years. Best thing I ever did was switch.

The program to download a real browser has a name?!

I swear, their apps just hemmorage resource consumption. Phone running slowly? Uninstall the FB app and chances are it'll run like new again.

The Galaxy S series should have a sixth car with no doors or windows.

Mate. How much have you had to drink?

It's clearly missing the car that auto-updates on the highway because you haven't moved the steering wheel for three minutes.

My Windows 10 restarted itself without warning while I was literally in the middle of dragging a file to another folder. Then it proceded to spend 45 minutes installing the update which broke half the programs I use and "forgot" a bunch of my settings (default web browser and a few other things).

I checked the update settings afterwards and it claimed to be set to update when I'm not using the computer ...

That's a pretty well known symptom, yeah.

Battery drainage? Uninstall Facebook and you'll get up to 20% of your battery duration back.

RIP Firefox os

instead of spending 5 steps on perfecting a cat

There's obviously nothing to be done on that front.

Yeah Spotify continues to make their app terrible. And every other update removes/adds back the feature of dragging the scroll-bar to the end instead of having to scroll manually down.

Also I have to use a minimum of 2 clicks when opening the app just to see my playlists. And at least two more to even start playing something.

Removing the playlist-view as the home-view was the dumbest fucking thing they did.

Also I know from someone who's worked with Spotify that their company runs like shit and they are wasting money.

And then you install Linux and Microsoft deletes your account, only asking if you want to undo deletion two days later by email.

This could be in an agile manifesto.

I think all people in all jobs come from a variety of background and you should stop watching 80s nerd movies. :D

18k classes.

How the galactic fuck is that possible.

if you just want something to stream music then there is deezer

dunno how good the desktop app is because i just use it in browser.

Who cares?

Walking away from a pc with unsaved files open is like leaving money in a public space, just asking for trouble.

As IT I update whole companies machines at a time and have no sympathy for users like you that don't know basics like that after being advised in advance that updates will be rolling out on certain nights normally, but sometimes urgent patches need to run sooner.

Does the comic imply that Spotify is complete and not some buggy piece of crap that gets worse with every update?

You can also upload songs, which is super useful if something is only on SoundCloud, for example.

Who cares?

Are you implying that Google is building an enormous RAMdisk RAID using Chrome?

Honestly, I think Facebook is more like what they have for Chrome.

I checked the update settings afterwards and it claimed to be set to update when I'm not using the computer ...

The problem isn't that setting, but the fact that Windows Update works in a complicated way.

First off, Windows Update plans update times in advance and then does nothing until that time. This means it must guess when you won't be using your computer and if you stop using it earlier it still won't update because it has a time planned already. On top of this, there is a maximum time before an update is forced regardless of anything else. This time is less than a single day (I've had updates being forced on me like this despite shutting down my computer every night).

So my guess what happened is that you've been using the computer for quite a while (using seems to be defined as recent input or a program running in full screen mode) or at exactly the "wrong" moments for it to reach the maximum time and force an update.


Agile is starting to feel like a cult

No. Not anymore. They sold it to Softbank group.

Because all robots belong to Japan.

And the radio can only play 1 station. It used to be able to play any station, but Samsung disabled that in the last revision because they want you to listen to their station. No other music is allowed.

RIP u/ashwonkumark10

I'm a premium subscriber to Deezer and I like how much effort they've put into the Windows Store app. It has just as much functionality as the regular android app.

Maybe, but won't the inventor always be more celebrated than the maintainer?

If that was true, Steve Wozniak would be a household name and Steve Jobs would have died in obscurity.

More like auto updates because you just merged into the highway. It's amazing how it consistently manages to update just as we're ready to work.

^ I disagree

I guess that is what I get for stopping after the first google result. This is really interesting though, thanks.

YT red isn't in my country yet :/

Thanks, Google.

That shouldn't be the case. I always turn the computer off when I'm not using it so it would have probably only been on for a few hours.

And the rest of that just sounds fucking retarded (not entirely surprising though). How hard could it be to program on shutdown -> if update is planned -> install update? Obviously it's not just a few lines of code, but it shouldn't be a massive challenge either. Having a forced maximum time sort of makes sense, but A) it should be optional even if enabled by default and B) it should give a warning saying "Ima shutdown in 1 minute and there's nothing you can do about it because fuck you".

Good bot

Best joke on this thread

People often say privacy drove them to linux, but at least for me, usability was a main point as well: My windows 10 installation some how crippled itself (3 minute plus boot up time on a high speed hdd) exactly at a time when i had to write an important paper for school... Luckily a few days into the project i found a youtube video comparing ubuntu to windows and immidiately installed it, one of the best choices of my life, as i could now actually get work done

The facebook one should be them stealing other peoples products

Minus awesome discovery algorithms -- the main reason that keeps me with Spotify.

I tried Deezer for a month and was contemplating a switch from Spotify but it turns out that Deezer wants to play the parts of my favourite classical piece in a wrong order. Which is obviously a deal breaker.

How hard could it be to program on shutdown -> if update is planned -> install update?

I think Windows does this already (or well, replace the shutdown button with an "update and shutdown" button), but only when it's already fully done preparing for the update. If it's still downloading, a shutdown will postpone the download and thus the update itself.

One change I'd love to see is simple: don't ever force a restart for updates until 24 hours of system uptime. This way people still can't indefinitely postpone their updates but it allows people to easily avoid forced restarts by simply shutting down their computer when they're done with it at the end of the day.