Electric cars already cheaper to own and run than petrol or diesel – study

Electric cars already cheaper to own and run than petrol or diesel – study

Unless you live in Ontario Canada where electricity keeps going up and up. My next cars going to be electric but not until I slap some solar panels on my house with a battery bank.

EDIT: I haven't taken the time to actually calculate the cost/ saving over the long run but damn are we ever getting screwed for electricity here in Ontario. I would love one day to put solar panels with a power wall and drive something like a AWD Model 3.

Has anyone determined the overall life of EV's yet?

I have 200k miles on my gas sucking behemoth... when the engine/trans finally go... $4-8k will get me another 250k miles.

Yes... the gas is really expensive. But what's the comparable cost to run an EV for half a million miles?

Serious question... not trying to come across as shitting on electric cars.

EVs require far less maintenance than gas guzzlers do. Electric motors are just vastly simpler and more durable than the Rube-Goldberg collections of devices (pumps, belts, distributors, fuel injectors, batteries, starters, air filters, etc.) that comprise the drivetrains of fossil-fueled cars.

I dunno, my brother is a normal neighborhood mechanic and just looked it up on the internet. Then he diagnosed 2 bad battery cells in a "worthless" Nissan Leaf. Replaced them for a couple hundred bucks and everything was just peachy.

It's not rocket science; electric cars really are that simple.

There is a small hatch on the floor of the back seat area of the Nissan Leaf. Lift that hatch, flip a switch, and the traction battery is completely disconnected from the rest of the car. Then all you need to worry about is disconnecting the regular 12-volt battery like you would in any other car.

And it's manufactured just like any other car Nissan would build, so all of its electronics modules are very similar (if not identical) to the same found in modern ICE cars. That's not to say home repairs would be easier than on gas cars, only that they won't be any more difficult.

And yes, electric motors do go bad, but statistically they have a much higher expected life than either a transmission or an ICE engine.

Gearheads have been tearing apart the Leaf since it first came out, and lots of information is available on EV forums. It's not harder to work on than any other modern car.

Last time I had to change a power steering pump, it took forever and made a huge mess.

Last time I had to swap out a computerized component (in my PT Cruiser) it took about ten minutes with a screwdriver. Bought the part online, free shipping and lifetime warranty.

This simplicity, combined with the fact that the area under the hood of my Leaf doesn't get road dirt/grime like ICE cars do, leaves me unconcerned about fixing the electronics components should they every fail.

The motor has a single moving part, and will probably outlast every other electric component on the car.

The battery pack is the only expensive long-term replacement cost. But consider this: unlike a failing transmission or pump or some other component, I have a super convenient gauge that clearly shows me the remaining health on the battery. It will never surprise me with a sudden, expensive repair. Furthermore, the car will continue to function at 100% capability, just reduced range, up until I decide the reduction in range is too much and the battery needs to be replaced.

By the time I reach that point with either Leaf (we have two) then either I will be able to buy a replacement for cheaper than they are now, or else buy a battery with better range than the car originally came with. Alternately, I could just upgrade to a newer car (maybe a 3-year old 2017 Chevy Bolt).

EVs don't have transmissions (or clutches) either.

Edit: They don't have traditional transmissions. They have 1 gear and no clutch. So I guess they technically have a very simple transmission.

Nissan has quoted a complete battery replacement at $5000, but most battery issues are solved by removing a few bad cells and replacing them with good ones for just a few hundred bucks. The entire battery shouldn't need replacement until the car is 20+ years old.

Long distance trips are literally the only downside to modern EVs. And battery technology is rapidly closing that gap.

They have expensive battery packs, electronics and electric motors that you cannot just take to your normal neighborhood mechanic.

It's amazing! We own two Nissan Leafs, a 2012 we've had for two years and a 2013 we've had for a year. The only expenses we've had was two new tires on the 2012, and windshield wipers/wiper fluid. No oil changes, or radiator leaks, or any of that mess to deal with. LED headlights will last the life of the car. Regenerative breaking means the pads last forever, we'll probably never need to change them until the cars are 10 years old.

My daily 50-mile commute costs about $35/month in electricity, my wife's commute is about half that.

We keep my 2002 PT Cruiser for long trips. It certainly gets less than 1000 miles per year on it.

Applied Energy study was paid for by electric car proponents and no data costs on subsidies were provided.

This is obviously a pretty specific comparison to make it work. I can't get an electric car for 15k.

Yeah. Even the simplest math to show costs over, say, 5 years doesn't work out well (for me at least). Maybe if you get one of those crappy electric Smart cars that barely holds 2 bags of groceries but if you get a real sedan that's electric vs. a traditional ICE sedan, the ICE is always cheaper regardless of electricity cost. It's still a matter of the up-front cost being higher.

It gets even worse if you go for a used car. Used electrics basically don't exist yet (or are hardly less than MSRP - looking at you, Tesla) whereas you can get a 2-year old Civic or Elantra for like $15,000CAD.

I want a Tesla so bad.

You are ignoring the battery.. that's a 10k repair/replacement cost at least. It also still isn't possible to drive anywhere long distance in a feasible amount of time in a true electric car.

The solar tiles are cheaper than an expensive roof, but not cheaper than a cheap roof + solar panels.

Oh look, someone claiming Ontario hydro rates are insane when they have no idea what the rest of the world pays. Yes there are some places cheaper, but the vast majority of the world pays 2-5x as much per kwh.

The guys who've been doing ~55 hours straight cross country in a Model S would heartily disagree.

I bought an 18 month old Leaf with 10K miles on it for 10K. Here's two I found for under 12K with less an 20K miles on them in 15 seconds of searching.