I believe they're actually shaking hands over the stone wall at Pickett's Charge.
"Sorry I killed your friends" "me too"
Pickett's Charge: was an infantry assault ordered by Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee against Maj. Gen. George G. Meade's Union positions on Cemetery Ridge on July 3, 1863, the last day of the Battle of Gettysburg during the American Civil War.
Its futility was predicted by the charge's commander, Lt. Gen. James Longstreet, and it was arguably an avoidable mistake from which the Southern war effort never fully recovered psychologically. The farthest point reached by the attack has been referred to as the high-water mark of the Confederacy.
The charge is named after Maj. Gen. George Pickett, one of three Confederate generals who led the assault under Longstreet.
Found this in a neat little photo album about US Civil War veterans.
Don't forget the orange slices.
I love these type of posts that pique my interest!
Despite concerns "that there might be unpleasant differences, at least, between the blue and gray" (as after England's War of the Roses and the French Revolution), the peaceful reunion was repeatedly marked by events of Union–Confederate camaraderie.
I found this at Mental Floss. So I don't know how true it is:
...veterans spent their time in Gettysburg reminiscing with friends and getting to know former foes. It was common for a veteran to seek out a man who may have shot him or exchange badges with a soldier from the other side. Two men reportedly purchased a hatchet at a local hardware store, walked it to the site where their regiments fought, and buried it.
Actually a lot of British wwi and wwii veterans are on record as saying they saw the Germans as just like them
The Japanese in wwii on the other hand..
It's hard to imagine the changes seen by that generation. To go from cavalry and Springfield rifles to jeeps, long range artillery, and chemical weapons must have seemed truly apocalyptic.
Correct. For a good portion of that battlefield, the Union occupied a position behind a stone wall between the Emmitsburg Road and the Taneytown Road. If memory serves, the men in the photo are shaking hands over the stone wall itself, or one perhaps symbolically constructed so.
It's something we don't think about nowadays. For example, think about zeppelins. For all of human history, warfare happened roughly at eye level. Ground and Sea. Then imagine living in the UK during World War 1 and this behemoth floats down out of the clouds, this absolute monster dropping explosives on everything below it. You can't shoot it down with artillery or gunfire (at least not easily), it just hovers there taking up the sky and raining destruction.
That must have been so far beyond anything people had considered.
It's amazing what one can see in a lifetime. My grandfather was born in 1900. In his lifetime man went from being unable to fly at all to seeing men walk on the moon. He fought in WWI and lived to see dozens of new countries form out of that war and several others. Electricity being sparse at best to owning a personal computer. It's odd to know you've spoken with someone who experienced things that are considered long past in history. Time is strange.
Thanks for sharing! It is so interesting to me, because we really tend to think of those people as from a very different time, but some lived to see WWI, the Great Depression, and even through the end of WWII.
Weird to shake hands with someone you were once trying to kill. I wonder how they came to forgive each other. When you're in battle, you must develop some pretty strong ill feelings towards every man on the other side, even though you know rationally that they are just following orders, and that's it's really the general you should be hating. I can't imagine those feelings go away easily. Maybe it took all 50 years?
We've heard of WW2 veterans still not forgiving the Germans or Japanese. We've heard of Vietnam veterans not forgiving the Vietnamese. Heck many Chinese and Koreans to this day still don't forgive the Japanese. I have met them personally. They might forgive ordinary Japanese citizens, but if they ever saw a Japanese soldier they would spit in his face because they just know he probably raped and murdered many of their people.
I don't know how much about how ordinary people felt about the civil war, but was the hatred not as intense as exhibited in other wars? Was it because they were fellow Americans that they could forgive so easily?
1913? Wow. One year before WWI broke out.
They all forgave each other in the end. Look at us, who had nothing to do with that time or the events thereof, showing hate and feeling disgrace over the tokens and symbols they fought under.
The soldiers of the CSA fought and died bravely for their country and do not merit having their flag removed from their war memorials.
Was the style of the South during the time of the war. I guess they just kind of kept it up, similar to how my dad still wears shorts as long as they were in the 80s.
WWI was close to a steampunk-type war as there ever was. Pretty much every weapon we have now save nuclear bombs was used in a rough form on what essentially was napoleonic style tactics. The technological leap was incredible and unmatched. Our weapons today haven't evolved by those bounds in fifty years if you think about it. The equivalent leap would be robots and lasers fighting today, which just isn't happening
jet travel is essentially the same now as it was fifty years ago for example. At one point, people thought technology was evolving so fast we'd be living on Mars by now, there was very little pragmatism in terms of development for a while.
That isn't the stars and bars that people are upset about just FYI. The stars and bars was the first CSA national flag and looked similar to the first U.S. Flag.
"gg except your cannons are totally op and that one guy with like 60 kills is hacking. also a lot of my team was AFK and not respawning."
My wife's grandpa was in the Pacific Theater and her Grandma still calls them filthy Japs. She has a deep and abiding hatred of them. Amusingly he had forgiven them years ago, loved their technology.
and Capri Suns of course.
Those are some awkward looking hand shakes.
I was thinking the same thing the other day. My great-grandfather was born in 1867 -- he had his kids late in life, and was the last of seven children. His father had immigrated to Michigan from Canada four years before and built a log cabin.
So, when my great-grandfather was born, there was no home electricity, indoor plumbing was rare, no cars, no planes, no pre-sliced bread, none of the things we take for granted. He went on to see all that and WWII, too. His first grandchild, my uncle, was born before he died and is still alive and in his 70s. And my great-grandfather's grandfather was alive at the time of his birth (died in 1870), and had been born in the 1790s.
In other words, three dudes in my family cover the last 220 years. My uncle, though he was only about 8 when his grandfather died, does have memories about this grandfather born just after the Civil War. It's amazing how much of history can be seen by just a few of generations of the same family.
i was thinking the same. man, what a feeling it must have been to be standing at that wall again where thousands died.
My Grandma, who is still living, was born in 1920. Some of her older relatives when she was a little girl in the 20s were alive during the Civil War. She talks about them telling her about their experiences. Her great aunt had to lead their horses and pigs to a secret pen they set up back in the woods, because government officials would commandeer people's livestock for the war effort, leaving them with no meat or beasts of burden to work their farm. She also had a great uncle who came back with one leg. He went by train to the nearest station, and got the rest of the way to their farm by hitching rides in wagons and using a crutch.
What blows me away talking about it with her is that I am hearing only second-hand stories from that period. I know somebody who knows somebody that was alive during the Civil War. That's only two degrees of separation. I'm closer to the Civil War than I am to Kevin Bacon.
And the kid whose mom brought gushers was fucking legendary
Probably hate. Seeing injured Japanese soldiers blow themselves up when a corpsman comes to help can really take a toll on the opposing force.
I believe it's Pickett's line.
It won't. That was a cold blooded attack on innocents by people that despise us. Not a war between uniformed brothers that understood each other.
how did you miss the civil war?
I can just picture Robert E. Lee screaming "MID OR FEED" at his generals.
Wars are a lot closer then people remember. Revolutary war and civil war 77 years, civil and WW1 40 years, ww1 and WW2 20 years, ww2 and Vietnam 10 years, Vietnam and Gulf war 15 years, gulf and Iraq 10years. And those are just the big ones. America has been at war in 222 of its 239 years, 93%.
Why do the south all have those long beards?
To be fair, I'm not certain why you'd use the Naval Jack or the battle flag of the Army of Virginia, that are clearly associated with the KKK and racism. Why not just use the stars and bars, which was their actual flag (though changed eventually), and wasn't adopted by the KKK?
Revolutionary War (1775–1783)
First Barbary War (1801–1805)
War of 1812 (1812-1815)
Second Barbary War (1815)
First Sumatran expedition (1832)
Second Sumatran expedition (1838)
Ivory Coast Expedition (1842)
Mexican–American War (1846-1848)
First Fiji Expedition (1855)
Second Fiji Expedition (1858)
Formosa Expedition (1867)
Korean Expedition (1871)
Spanish–American War (1898)
Philippine–American War (1899-1902)
Boxer Rebellion (1899-1901)
Banana WarsParaguay expedition (1858) Separation of Panama from Colombia (1903) Occupations of Honduras (1899) Occupation of Nicaragua (1912–33) Occupation of Veracruz (1914) Occupation of Haiti (1915–34) Occupation of the Dominican Republic (1916–24)
Border War (1910-1919)
World War I (1914-1918)
Russian Civil War (1918)
World War II (1939-1945)
Korean War (1950-1953)
Vietnam War (1955-1975)
Invasion of the Dominican Republic (1965-1966)
Invasion of Grenada (1983)
Lebanese Civil War (1982-1984)
Invasion of Panama (1989)
Gulf War (1990-1991)
Somali Civil War (1992-1995)
Bosnian War (1995)
Kosovo War (1999)
Afghanistan War (2001- )
Iraq War (2003-2011)
War in North-West Pakistan (2004- )
Libyan Civil War (2011)
Intervention against ISIL (2014- )
Edit: For a more exaustive list, see wikipedia's List_of_wars_involving_the_United_States
150 years since Gettysburg and people are now finally angry enough about the stars and bars to burn the flags and take them down. Puts alot of perspective into it.
In some areas our technology has very rapidly progressed in the last few decades. I doubt anyone 50 years ago imagined a phone that not only was mobile, but can take pictures, send text messages, play games, watch movies, and connect without any wires to a world wide network of information. The only thing they likely imagined was live chatting via picture but instead on a small hand held device, probably through a large, immobile monitor sitting next tot he house phone.
Video of 75th aniversary showing the same thing
Do you walk 5-10 feet ahead of him when you're out together in public?
Shit, even 20 years ago, the idea of the internet being as ubiquitous as it is today would have seemed unbelievable to me. The 'net back in 1995 when I was first dialing up was nothing like it is today. The idea that I could hop on wikipedia and look up anything and everything I could ever even think of would have blown my fucking mind, let alone doing it on a cell phone, let alone almost everyone having a phone capable of doing this as well.
We might not have moon bases yet, but we're becoming closer and closer to a totally and fully connected world every day.
You can see it as a pin on one of the soldier's chests in the photo album, I haven't gone through the whole album yet but its the photo at Bull Run
I don't think unless you experienced what those people did could you understand the intrinsic hatred they feel. But let's be honest there are a lot of World War Two vets from both sides who became friends. I mean look at how many German and Italian soldiers either stayed in or moved to Britain, U.S. and Canada after the war.
They're shaking hands over what looks like a bush or a wall
I think they're explaining that one life can experience a wide variety of 'normals', and that looking at a person that lived during that war as one thing changes dramatically when in the context of their full life, just my take.
I was wondering. Thanks!
It helps that the USA went through considerable effort to consciously reunite the nation. Hell during the Spanish-American War Joseph Wheeler, a Confederate general, was in command of US troops.
The flag is actually at the Confederate Soldier Memorial. Which is in front of one of the sides of the State House building.
There are quite a few monuments and markers around the SC State House. One for Confederate Soldiers, one for African Americans, George Washington, etc../
I know! But it also must have been really good to be able to shake hands across that wall.
on my break at work
Except the Jeep part. That was WWII.
The Japanese committed atrocities that make the holocaust look like nothing. Thing is, we are a western society, so we Don't learn as much about what they did.
The real winners that day? Beards.
People just didn't smile as much back then.
One thing you forget. They were all American.
The end of WW2 is the beginning of the postwar culture that we still live in today, and there are many alive now who could have met civil war vets if they lived to that time. Things were very different in the civil war era but the branches from now to then are short.
No American troops there, yet.
The KKK also used the american flag
Somewhere I remember reading that they held one of these reunions at The Angle. There was a keg of beer on the Union side and the Confederates said that if that keg had been there the day of the battle, there was no way the Union forces would have stopped them.
I would think they would use Battle Flag of Lees army. That is the one they fought under. I read a bit about the civil war and from what I've read both sides showed respect for one another during the war also. To the soldiers it was just their battle flag. Then later it was used by racist organizations and rednecks. But I'm no expert.
Yeah, and I don't even see a Confederate flag in this picture. I don't think it really reemerged until the 100th anniversary of the war.
When this photo was taken in 1913, my great grandfather was around seven years old. I, as a person born in 1971, knew him quite well; he didn't pass away until about ten years ago, when I was in my mid-thirties.
This is a good reminder that in the grand scheme of things, the Civil War was actually quite recent. My dad has told me about when he was a kid, and he heard about the last surviving Civil War soldier passing away -- in 1957.
Think about that. People who are alive and well today were on this earth at the same time as people who lived during the era of slavery in the US.
I'm glad the national discussion has finally turned to having a serious debate about removing Confederate flags from public buildings for what they represent, but understanding how fresh it all is puts some of the debate into perspective.
My father (who is still alive) knew people who fought in the Civil War. That always amazes me. When I talked to him about it, he says that from what he can tell, life really isn't that different today, people are still people. He says that cars, computers, etc., don't fundamentally change what we look for in life, but the improvements in infant mortality have been a real game changer.
I haven't heard that from Jeffries, but it's the same principle.
But it wasn't the "confederate flag" it was the battle flag of Northern VA, which Lee had command of are participated in Gettysburg.
Is it also the war memorials? I just heard they were removing it from government buildings.
"Lol get REKT scrub" "Spawn campers" "You mad cuz u bad?" "That guy was spamming Loch 'n' Load"
Our weapons today haven't evolved by those bounds in fifty years if you think about it.
Only if you consider "weapons" in a fairly narrow sense. It is true on some level that firearms have had really only incremental improvements since the early 20th century. Many "classic" firearms date to the first world war.
On the other hand, combat more generally is light years from what it was in 1918. It's had not one, but at least two and possibly three revolutions as big as the one that occured in WWII. (arguably the WWI revolution lasted from the US civil war to 1918, as longstreet himself wrote extensively in his diary that he could see how combat was changing, and old napoleonic line combat was no impossible due to how fast modern (in 1863) weapons could fire, and how men in cover could decimate an attacking army. He drafted theory that almost pioneered the "advance under covering fire" type of assault.
WWI was a revolution in tactics that was the death knell of massed infantry assaults, at least by western armies, firepower and fortification took the place of massive armies.
WWII (or just before) pioneers in mobile doctrine (Gudarian, Rommel, Patton) built the theory around high speed mechanized warfare. the use of motor vehicles as cavary, and armored formations in a way that knights of the 12th century would have recognized (an armored fist, or Schwerpunkt (lit. spear point) to break enemy defenses, then high speed units to capitalize on the breach).
Instrumental in these new tactics was radio, the ability to coordinate units beyond line of sight.
In the 1960's and 70's, there was version 2.5 of this strategy. The US and the soviet union took the same tactics and said "why not use helicopters?"
In the 21st century, we've seen a third upheaval. Increasing information and electronic communication has changed the face of battle again. Assymetric warfare and signals intelligence play a much larger role.