Arabic characters found woven into burial costumes from Viking boat graves

Arabic characters found woven into burial costumes from Viking boat graves
Arabic characters found woven into burial costumes from Viking boat graves

Well yeah. The Norse weren't just raiding or invading, they also traded a ton and the Mediterranean was a lucrative place to do all three. Hell the Normans had control of Sicily for a long while, which was previously under Muslim control. I wouldn't be surprised if at least a few either took muslim cloth in a raid, bought it from a merchant, or even converted.


If I remember my history correctly the middle East had the finest cloth at the time bar none. It's the same reasons some mideval depictions of Christian saints show them wearing cloth embroidered with passages of the koran.

Purple dye came from what is Lebanon

The Norse weren't just raiding or invading, they also traded a ton and the Mediterranean was a lucrative place to do all three.

They followed the age-old rule of raiding when a settlement couldn't defend itself and trading if it could.

Not a documentary but it was based off the writings of Ahmad ibn Fadlan a 10th century Arab official and traveler.

The Vikings were used through the Mediterranean as mercenaries. Both the Arabs and the Byzantines hired them as elite guards. They were considered barbarians but the best fighters around.

Many millennia from now alien xeno-archaeologists will recover the somehow mummified corpse of a hipster with a Kanji tattoo for water or something.

Eaters of the Dead was a great novel. Fun read.

There were indeed Norsemen who converted to Islam, and historians in Baghdad recorded their visits to the city.

Lo, do I see my father.

It's why they tended to call it royal purple. Only kings were rich enough to afford it.

My mother was a pure woman from a noble family. And I, at least, know who my father is, you pig-eating son of a whore!

Oh man flashback to high school history class I believe it was the ancient Phoenicians that traded purple die which they got from some kind of muscle that lived in the water there

Not super shocking. There is Viking graffiti in the Hagia Sophia in Istanbul. And Vikings acted as body guards in the Varangian guard

Valhallah akbar?

You would have to crush and process LITERAL tons of seashells to get enough tyrian purple for one article of clothing

The reason the British Isles were raided as much as they were was because the churches were basically unprotected, unlocked vaults filled with great treasures. And the populace weren't fighters.

There is a coin minted by King Offa of Mercia in the latter half of the 8th century that has Arabic script on it. However, the words are misspelled and malformed, probably because the people who made it didn’t realize that it was writing and not just decoration. King Offa was definitely not a Muslim, so the coin wasn’t meant to show devotion to Islam but rather a way to make his coin seem more authentic, like the coins reaching Britain from the Middle East. I wonder if something similar happened with this artifact.

Edit: Here is some more info on the coin

Lo there do I see my mother and my sisters and my brothers;

It was a mix of Ahmad ibn Fadlan's accounts and Beuwolf. Which in my opinion makes it fucking an awesome idea for a story and was.

I don't watch Vikings. And please don't let that TV series form your perspective on vikings. It is horribly inaccurate on many important issues.

You might like this guy, Sigurd Magnussen, the King of Norway (1090 - 1130) and the first European king to lead a crusade.

In autumn of 1107, he sailed to England with 5000 men, where he stayed the entire winter with King Henry I

then he sailed to Portugal, where he captured 8 Muslim boats

when the local Christian Portuguese refused to sell him things, he took it by force

then he sailed to Ibiza. The local Muslims were so scared that they hid in caves, but he still killed them and took their treasures.

he fought several Muslim pirates off the coasts of Africa, and raided a few Islamic settlements

he landed in Sicily, where he stayed for a few weeks with the 12 year older ruler Roger II

finally, he arrived in Jerusalem, where he baptized himself in the River Jordan and attacked the Muslim city of Acre

he then sailed to Constantinople, where he gave everything he fought for, and all his boats, to the Emperor.

he then rode on horseback from Greece through Serbia, Bulgaria, the Holy Roman Empire, and Denmark, finally making it back to Norway in 1111

HONEY! It's made from honey!

I loved that movie. Fuk da haters.

Good, my last Crusader Kings 2 run was historically sound.

There's an illustrated kids book called Motel of the Mysteries that involves an amateur archeologist from the year 4022 unearthing a 20th century motel and making all kinds of wrong guesses about the purpose of the objects he finds.

It's an amusing exploration of this idea of archeologists completely misinterpreting the things they find, but you'll be done with it in five minutes. I would love to see someone pick up the idea in a more serious way.

“It is from their foes, not their friends, that cities learn the lesson of building high walls”

― Aristophanes (in Leonard Nimoy's voice)

Archeologists in the future will excavate areas in the US and find pink ribbons and pink grocery bags and will conclude that we had weird October ceremonies where our athletes celebrated cutting off women's breasts.

Bring back history lessons I told my teacher I'd never remember once I left. Damn you reddit.

It's not Allah, it's Antonio Banderas.

Lo there do I see my father...

Theory is the Natives kicked them out. Prior to later European attempts to setup shop in North America there were plenty of descriptions of how populated the coasts were with Native tribes. Only after diseases were brought over that wiped out a mass amount of natives did colonists arrive and think North America was some kind of Eden because of how neatly trimmed everything seemed, which was just generations of agriculture left mostly unattended.

And another contribution from the Arab world was blue pigment for paints - If you look at the evolution of art in history, for a very long time most paintings consisted of warm hues - browns, reds, oranges, yellow - until lapis lazuli, a highly pigmented stone, was discovered in iirc Afghanistan. Lapis lazuli was a huge discovery for the art world because it then allowed artists to have a full, rich colour palette. However, it was very expensive and typically richer artists or artists painting for the wealthy/aristocracy/royalty tended to have access to the pigment. If I remember right, artificial blue pigments weren't invented until the late 1800s, subsequently allowing greater access to this colour (due to lower price). Phthalo blue is the artificial equivalent of lapis lazuli.

My mother was a pure woman from a noble family. And I, at least, know who my father is, you pig-eating son of a whore!

There's a fairly well documented Arabic traveler who wrote about visiting Viking. He was grossed out by theur grooming habits. Did a great job as painting vikings as filthy for only bathing Saturdays.

Until Alfred the Great formalized burghs.

Its actually kind of facinating to me how England became such a power when their post Roman period was so troubeled. Just getting used to Anglo Saxon rule and bam here come the Danes.

This is really fascinating. While it doesn't surprise me (the Norse were outstanding navigators) this is my first time hearing of them interact with Muslim merchants and artisans.

"This ones top-knot is still attached, and has a tattoo of an ancient french word for shower."

I guess they wanted to keep that same theme of confronting some forgotten aspect from prehistory, but I wished the kept the notion of the relict Neanderthals from the book, instead of that blurred primordial fertility thing they went with instead.

This is really gonna upset the Alt Right...

Buliwyf: 'Lo, there do I see my father.

Herger the Joyous: 'Lo, there do I see my mother, and my sisters, and my brothers. 'Lo, there do I see the line--

Edgtho the Silent: --of my people, back to the beginning.

Weath the Musician: 'Lo, they do call to me.

Ahmed Ibn Fahdlan: They bid me take my place among them.

Buliwyf: In the halls of Valhalla...

Ahmed Ibn Fahdlan: Where the brave...

Herger the Joyous: May live...

Ahmed Ibn Fahdlan: ...forever.

From the Movie The 13th Warrior.

Ah yes, I too watch Vikings

The Vikings got around though they probably just traded for them.

Odin akbar

13th Warrior is a film based on a novel Eaters of the Dead, which in turn is based on a mix of Ahmad ibn Fadlan's writing and Beowulf. Just thought I'd clarify.

The movie was based off of the book Eaters of the Dead but the book was based off those things.

What drugs do you take?

Vikings reached Moorish Spain. They traded in Constantinople. They were exposed to Islam, and Islamic teachings and Islamic culture. And some, undoubtedly, probably converted, exactly the same way some of them converted to Christianity. The Vikings that spent time in France and England brought Christianity back to Scandinavia; why is it so weird that some would bring back Islam? The reason that Christianity won out is logical, too: geographical closeness. Scandinavia was hemmed in by Christian countries, so of course Christianity would be a greater influence on them. However, there is no reason to state that there was no chance of any Vikings being Muslim.

It is something that is receiving increased focus in recent times. The influence of the vikings eastward was probably as great as westward, yet one has received far more focus than the other.

It was an Eastern Orthodox cathedral back then.

Lo there do I see the line of my people, back to the beginning

It's a very fringe belief, but there's nevertheless some folks that believe the Nordic race was essentially pure and untainted or whatever. They basically just use Norse mythology and history as a way to justify their racist beliefs and attitudes, but as with everything, the truth doesn't really support it so every time someone discovers more intermingling and such between the Vikings and other cultures, it turns into a shit show. Remember when the first Thor movie came out and there were some white supremesists throwing a fit because Heimdal was played by Idris Elba? It's just the same people throwing a fit because muslims and vikings traded and did stuff together.

They also rented themselves out as mercenaries.

Do they have a problem with Vikings trading with Arabs? I've never heard them dispute this

I don't know about "Discovered"- some of the first archaeological finds indicating trade between Mesopotamia and the Indus Valley Civilization show Lapis Lazuli being traded.

"It's alright, little brother...there are MORE!"

His observations about aurora borealis and short nights and fasting are really funny for me. I laughed so hard as a muslim.

Fake tattoos, French don't shower.

Tyrian Purple

You hang out in weird bars.

Or read The Long Ships. Even better.

Even more fascinating... a statue of Buddah was found in Sweden where a viking trading hub used to be.

The more I find out about the Norse and how they went everywhere that a ship could take them, the more I wonder what made them go to North America and suddenly stop. What happened there that made them say, "You know, let's not return here. I think we've had our fill..." Spain and England were great at setting up permanent colonies even after a few disasters. Why weren't the Norse the same way? What happened?

Uh....what are you even talking about? I'm just stating that in the past, there's been doubt or flack from the white supremisist movement about whether or not there was intermingling between the Vikings and contemporary middle eastern cultures. At no point in my post do I make any mention of "ancient arabic tribe", nor do I allude to it, or even talk about the article itself.

/u/Ovaryunderpass asked whether there was dispute by alt-right/neonazi over the claims that there was intermingling between vikings and muslims or arabs. The article theorizes that there was possible trade or cultural exchange given that we know vikings typically chose to be buried with their personal effects. Now, there's still a lot of research and more evidence to definitively place vikings in the south (or Arabs in the north), but this certainly presents an interesting situation. Nevertheless, no one in this discussion chain has mentioned or theorized or even considered "ancient arabic tribe"....whatever that means. My response to his/her post was simply to bring up that 'Yes, white supremesists sometimes challenge or doubt the findings of these discoveries as it doesn't uphold their beliefs'

Perhaps you meant to respond to someone else?

No, you idiot.

It's plain logic when different cultures meet that there's going to be some melding and exchange of cultural and religious beliefs. If there weren't, why did the vikings become Christian? The same things making the majority of them Christian also made a minority Muslim.

This isn't about integration. It's about what happened in the past.