Amy Schumer admits to raping a guy, feminists support her, /r/askfeminists decide the guy raped her...
Generally I try to avoid the outrage porn, but this one is too good to pass up.
Amy Schumer apparently gives a speech where she admits to raping a drunk guy, continuing sexual acts despite the fact that he's intoxicated and occasionally falls asleep..
A detailed article is found here.
Well, in case you were asleep over the past few years (and subsequently raped by Amy Schumer), the latest feminist push has obviously been expanding the borders of the term "rape." One such frontier has been deciding that drunk sex is rape- or to clarify, somebody who is intoxicated cannot give consent, therefore having sex with somebody intoxicated is rape.
Now, putting aside the fact that this opens the door for two drunk people to simultaneously rape each other consensually, it's obvious in this case as one party is intoxicated and the other is sober that only one of them can consent. Hint: it's the sober person. She has 100% control of whether she enters the room.
Now let's just look at the details: if a 12 year old girl came on to a n 18 year old guy, he has a responsibility to say no because she's too young to consent. It doesn't matter if she puts herself onto him, he needs to leave the scenario. It doesn't matter that she was the aggressor, she was somebody who lacked the ability to consent to sex.
If a drunk guy comes onto a girl, she has the responsibility to say no. It doesn't matter that he was the aggressor, he was somebody who lacked the ability to consent to sex.
Well... if you accept the nonsense definitions that feminists bring forward.
Is anybody surprised another feminist ideal is inconsistent with itself?
The answer, of course, is never be alone with a woman. They represent a legal liability in any and every scenario.
That's not really realistic advice, and I personally enjoy being around women. But at least you've been warned.
A woman blatantly "rapes" a dude by their own retarded feminist definition of rape and somehow they manage to spin it--with a straight fucking face--that he's the rapist.
I don't know why I'm fucking surprised but I am. The bottom just keeps getting lower. That thread is honestly horrifying.
After Lena Dunham got a free pass for molesting her own fucking sister, this doesnt surprise me one bit.
Yo just to recap: if a woman rapes you, no one will care. If a woman accuses you of rape, you are fucked because everyone will believe her. If a woman hits you, people will laugh and if she is arrested she'll get a warning. If you hit a woman, you will get beaten by 12 white knights and go to jail.
And women have the nerve to say they always feel scared around men because of muh patriarchy.
If I ever get arrested for DUI I'll be sure to tell the judge that I was intoxicated and therefore could not consent to driving a car and I am not responsible for my actions. I'm sure he'll let me right off the hook.
Here's the moment from r/askfeminists where the hamster makes the jump to hyperspace:
Feminist: "Now obviously we only have one side of the story but according to her story, she froze and panicked when a drunk man attempted to have sex with her. I do not think she raped the guy."
(Why is it relevant that we only have "one side of the story"? We have the rapist's side of the story and she just confessed.)
Rational male: "As the article states and is generally accepted, consent is required for non-rape sex. Consent cannot be given in an inebriated state. So no, in fact according to feminist definitions, the ONLY thing she did was rape the guy. I mean, of that there is no doubt."
(Yes. 100% correct.)
Feminist: "But rape can be committed in an inebriated state. If a drunk person is the "aggressor" and has sex with a person who did not consent, that person is the one raping."
(Wow. The mind reels. Let's review her feminist logic: In some other, totally-unrelated scenario, any random drunk person would indeed be capable of rape. And if that drunk person from that totally-unrelated scenario were to forcibly rape an unconsenting female... then that would of course be rape. Therefore that totally-unrelated scenario will now magically relate to this scenario for no reason other than it would make me right. Got it?)
Rational Male: "As per the woman's own words, she consented. I'm almost certain there is no case that HE raped HER."
(Yes. 100% correct.)
Feminist: "Actually according to her own account, she described the experience of a rape victim."
Zoooooooom. Jump to hyperspace: Complete.
And there we have it. She shows up at his door. She's dead sober, he's shitfaced. She is aware of this and enters his room.
She consents to sex and he's barely hard because he's so "wasted" (her words). And r/askfeminists concludes .... wait for it... she's a rape victim.
HOLY FUCK. That's like a hamster from Jurassic Park. It's 90 feet tall and devouring everything in it's path.
I've said it before, but feminism attracts narcissists and users. There are naive girls in the faith and 'cafeteria'-feminists, but if you have a crusader or someone who brandishes 'feminism' as a weapon - you're probably not dealing with someone worried about ethics/morals, but is power-thirsty with a chip on their shoulder against men.
Maybe it's because feminism has the ethical elitism and power as the Catholic church once did. (I.E. Academic, political, and social power all rolled in one.) Feminism is replacing religion as one of the places you find crazies getting drawn into.
I don't even know where to start... The shit they pull is insane, almost to the point where it disgusts me. Fuck man, scientists better get the spaceships to Mars up and running soon, these asshats feminists make me wanna skip to outer space. Thank god I found TRP.
Putting coins in her vagina. Totally okay by feminist standards.
Her only form of hamstering was accusing all "straight white christains" of being closet pedos. Inevitably, all the whiteknights and feminists continue defending her.
Its amazing how Michael Jackson's molestation charges turned him into a walking punchline for the remainder of his life, while Lena Dunham openly admits to spending years molesting her sister, and now shes considered a hero.
Wow the comments... They still blame the man in his own rape...And yes flip the genders and they would be gathering torches and pitchforks
"Hey dude, what's up? Uh, can you pick me up? No, my car got impounded. What? Oh, it got impounded for raping me. Yeah. I'm so traumatized, please come get me, all the cars passing on the street are eyeing me like I'm some kind of meatbag who's sole purpose is to grip a gear shift."
As someone on the receiving end of female physical abuse, it's all true. I couldn't talk about it, and if I did, people didn't take it seriously. She would use weapons.
It's also important to note that she's not funny.
She's never been funny. And when women fail repeatedly (at anything), feminism and patriarchy quickly become their favorite topics.
Women comedians in general aren't funny. They mistake crass and abrasive for funny. There's even a film called "Women aren't funny" which assembles the world's best female comedians to point out how absurd the claim is that "women aren't funny" -- and guess what? It's not funny.
Christopher Hitchens obliterates them here -- basically they're just copying men:
And Patrice O'Neal of course, has profound understanding of why women aren't funny: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VV7vv3rFxNA
There are loads of arguments for "why" women aren't funny, and as you might guess, they all come down to: You've been taught by the patriarchy to believe women aren't funny. http://www.cracked.com/blog/4-ways-were-programmed-to-think-women-arent-funny/
Having seen a girl whip a guy with a length of chain hard enough to put him in ICU, I know how fucked up that situation can be. He was in ICU because she cut open his throat with a chain, and she got a few months of pretrial diversion. It doesn't even count as an arrest on her record long-term.
I unfortunately read some Women Are So Fucking Great roundtable interview involving Amy Schumer and Lena Dunham yesterday. I'm a masochist. Their solipsism didn't disappoint. Here are some choice quotes
DUNHAM When I get comments like, "How did she wind up on the cover of a magazine? She's hideous," I'm like, "I may not have a perfect body, but I do have a really nice face." I'd love to see a hideous woman on the cover of a magazine. It doesn't happen.
She thinks is a "really nice face" for a woman. Jesus, talk about low standards. I notice so many 4s and 5s are very quick to call themselves "pretty" nowadays without a second thought. And her body is a disaster; non-perfect body is a bit of an understatement.
DUNHAM I stopped wearing the nude patch after the first season of Girls. There's not one guy who works on that show who hasn't seen the inside of my vagina.
SCHUMER They could draw your ovaries.
DUNHAM I used to wear the patch but …
ROSS What's the patch?
DUNHAM This patch — you glue it over your vagina. It gets sweaty and always falls off. My male co-stars, at the end of the day, don't care.
Oh I have a feeling they care. They just want to keep their paychecks rolling in. First off, imagine how utterly terrifying that is. Being that close to this fat ugly slob's hairy vagina? I'd probably start throwing up. Secondly, imagine a fat disgusting male boss "not caring" when his cock sock falls off and his female costar has to deal with that shit? Nice to see the standards don't apply to women who make men uncomfortable with their unnecessary sexual creeeeeeeeeeepiness in the work place.
I'll leave you with this bit, which made the whole thing worth skimming through:
What's the most overtly sexist thing that's happened to you working in Hollywood?
DUNHAM I heard a guy on my show say into his microphone: "I hate this job. I can't wait to be back on a show where there's a man at the helm."
SCHUMER I hope you sent [Girls actor-comedian] Colin Quinn home for that. (Laughs.)
DUNHAM Colin is actually the world's biggest feminist! Later, that same guy came up to me at lunch and said, "You're really enjoying that buffet, aren't you?"
This guy sounds fucking awesome and I'd hire him in a heartbeat. He sounds alpha as fuck.
And the reason that female stand-up comics do 'group shows' in small and midsize venues and Chris Rock sells out solo shows at 15,000 seat arenas... is patriarchy.
Just ridiculous. At every turn that men are more successful it's because of something unfair. Feminists are just angry children.
it's funny when women do it! just like it's funny when a woman cuts off a guy's dick! you gooo grrrrrrl
It's fucking disgusting. Even more disgusting than how she looks.
Don't buy into any of this or anything like it. I'm convinced that these sort of posts/jokes/stories from fems are part of a means of further distorting the definition of rape.
This is "re-definition" bait.
You see, if we take the bait and spin it to If the guy was sober and the girl was drunk, it'd be rape or we acknowledge her he was drunk so, I like, totally raped him - either side gives credence the new, rad-fem definition of rape which includes regret-me-nots and consensual vagueness due to intoxication.
It's lose/lose. The only way to win is to ignore or reiterate that rape is the violent, sexual penetration of another against their will.
Well he obviously was raping her with his mind so she needed to defend herself!
It's really disgusting that these new feminists have assumed the moral high ground and have super-shitty arguments that somehow get validated with sky-high bullshit. Worst part is that they've entered the world of legality. With shitty arguments like that, you damn well need a good lawyer to twist it into something that goes on the books.
To add insult to injury, if you don't think she's funny, you're a misogynist.
posts like this give TRP a bad name
We don't care about our reputation. Nothing we say or think is even remotely close to being acceptable in the mainstream.
Do not concern troll. This is your only warning.
Maybe Amy Schumer's rape victim (whatever his name is... apparently it didn't matter) should have carried a mattress around every day and demanded that Amy Schumer change schools.
Funny ones are funny, it's just that there aren't as many of them out there...
hitchens was right. It's not that they 'cant' be funny, it's just most don't have to be, same as you'll find most north americans are no good at cricket
Save it for your Mangina Monologues.
She is so motherfucking ugly, jesus.
Looks like fetal alcohol syndrome, with that non-existent upper lip.
this is just.... its like the old wrinkled bats in the villages who like to hate on men. The only way to take care of this is to see it as a gigantic shit test and win it.
You don't win it by talking, you don't win it by playing cards with these cunts. You don't win this game by giving women a voice, or a platform for independence.
The only reason women gather together now is because we've shifted from a culture based around family, to a culture based around the individual.
This is a giant shit test, where only beta men think they can pass if they give women more power.
Stop! You don't give a woman a sword. First of all, she doesn't even know how to hold a sword. She'll end up harming herself. Secondly, do you know the weight of that sword? [If you've never held a sword in your hand, ITS FUCKING HEAVY!] You give her that, she's gonna bitch and whine saying "YOU ASSHOLES MADE IT TOO HEAVY! I DEMAND MY FEELINGS BE ACKNOWLEDGED AND I BE GIVEN MY OWN POSSE OF BETA MALE SLAVES TO LIFT IT FOR ME!"
Giving women rights, is a good thing. But listening to their imagined slights, and delusions of patriarchy and how rape is a crime of power, and the new nonsense about consent, is useless, fruitless, and senseless.
Stop. Just stop. Learn how to pass shit tests. As a man, I say this to you. Learn to put your bitch in line.
Control your bitches.
She needs feminism because sometimes yes means no.
Later, that same guy came up to me at lunch and said, "You're really enjoying that buffet, aren't you?"
This is incredible. I wish I could've witnessed her outrage. Oh man I hate Lena Dunham. Fuck.
Alas, we live in feminist-dominated 2015 America, where the law (apparently) affords women a pussy pass for even the most heinous and horrific of crimes.
"Funny ones are funny, it's just that there aren't as many of them out there..."
Well that's the distinction that feminists actually can't accept.
There are female-successes in every field. But not nearly as many.
The reason for this is at the heart of feminist ideology: They claim the disparity is due to oppression.
It's a particularly absurd statement when you're talking about something like stand-up comedy which is as free-market as any industry gets. If you're funny, you're successful. If you're not, you're not.
she's already started
God, that Cracked article is cringe worthy. For a start, one of the "programming" points is them postulating humour was an evolutionary advantage for men, which suggests men are in fact funnier because we're bred to be. Talk about a self-defeating argument.
Then later in the article it claims we're "already biased" and if the article was written by a man the reader would find it funnier. The irony being that it was only at this point that I even realised the article was written by a woman, because -- and this might surprise the author who clearly has a persecution complex -- I don't care who writes an article, I read the content and then form my opinion based on the merit of the text. The article isn't funny because, well, it's not funny. That's the fault of the writer's brain, not her vagina.
yeah she's a fucking mess,shit tattoos and everything
I don't know about standup, but I've always found Tina Fey's writing to be darn funny- 30 rock is one of my favorite shows.
But for each Tina Fey there's at least thirty guys equally as good at their job.
Is anybody surprised another feminist ideal is inconsistent with itself?
no, because they will happily twist everything to fit their narrative
and also, you forgot: men are always the criminals, women can never be the bad person
3rd wave feminism is literally a cancer.
I was all for equality, I really was raised that way, but it just has nothing to do with that anymore, and these people are now the last things I would ever want to consider my equals with such an alarming lack of reason and intelligence behind their arguments.
Funnily enough, the female friends of mine who laugh at feminism with me are the ones acting like, and deserving of being, equals. Irony.
If a drunk person is the "aggressor" and has sex with a person who did not consent, that person is the one raping.
That hamster is working overtime. Holy shit.
Nice rebuttal. "No you're a dummy"
Let's go back and forth a few times, honey ...Just to re-live the pre-school days.
Essentially, it's men and cultures fault that female on male rape isn't handled seriously.
I'm sorry.. but did you just suggest that its men's fault for being raped? That sounds a LOT like victim shaming/blaming. Isn't that expressly something feminists are against?? Its like saying "its the womans fault for getting raped because she didn't cover herself up". It is a highly sexist statement.
Lol! That's some gold right there!
The hamster wheel only spins in one direction.
Well knives are phallic and fundamentally male. So if she stabbed someone to death, really the patriarchy is the true culprit
Eeeeh, she's a 6 dressed up. I've seen far worse.
The Red Planet
She's lucky that we live in a matrix because if we lived in the animal kingdom still, i'd be coming for her with extremely violent intentions. You don't touch little kids.
Lena Dunham is beyond repulsive. Those things look like prison tatts.
You consider that a 6 ?!
Jesus fucking christ man are we really this desperate ?
I'd say she's a 1 dressed up. On my scale zero and below are reserved for the unfuckable. Give her a few years. She'll eat herself to zero and below.
I have been downvoted on here before for saying the same. Tina Fey can hang with the best of them.
But it is also true that being an attractive woman gives her advantages over other comics when their comic merit is roughly equal. But that's life in general, and women get to take advantage of that more often than men do. I sometimes wonder that this is one of the pillars supporting hate against TRP; men aren't supposed to be allowed to use sex and attraction to get things we want, that is woman's game.
Incidentally, what we want IS sex and attraction, so there's that.
12 black-eye guys posting how they saved mlady?
Men are always guilty and girls are always helpless victims.
Remember that, because it's the legal view of everything now.
Even James Cameron can't raise this bar
Yup, they always get off with a slap on the wrist, especially in places infected with extremist feminism like where I live. A woman could murder someone in cold blood here and they'll find a way to explain why it isn't her fault.
Women will get theirs after the downfall of America.
"You're irrelevant comment is purely subjective, can not be verified, and only further serves to label TRP as women-hating. Hence, idiotic."
It's "Your", not "You're".
Because you have a mind like a child, and also to show you what a cogent argument looks like, I will deconstruct your name-calling piece-by-piece:
1) Your claim that it is subjective.
Art forms of all kinds, including comedy, are subjective things. The way one evaluates them is through subjectivity. What exactly are you looking for? A mathematical-proof that Amy Schumer isn't funny?
All anyone can do is compare her relative success. Success in comedy comes in two flavors: Stand-up, and situational comedy. Only the former is a real test of comic ability because the latter involves far too many variables to make a clear assessment of individual ability. Being funny on "30-Rock" is not nearly the same as grabbing a microphone alone on stage and making a room full of people laugh so hard they're crying. Television comedy is the work of writers, directors, editors and dozens of other professionals who contribute to the humor. So who are the female mega-stars in the stand-up category that come anywhere close to their male counterparts? There are none. There have never been any. Male comics are vastly more successful among both male and female audiences.
(Please note the above use of non-subjective evidence).
Now let me turn your exact argument back to you: Tell me why you think female stand-up comics are just as funny -- and not as successful. I already know what you're going to say: Patriarchy. Either that or you'll just call me more names.
2) Your claim that my comment is irrelevant
We live in a world where women have seized a truly dangerous amount of political power. In toto, their rights vastly exceed the rights of men. Their protection under the law is far higher. Their prison sentences for the same crimes are lighter. Their evidenciary requirements are lower. Females represent a protected and elite social caste. Females are net recipients of social spending whereas men are net taxpayers. They die in work-related accidents at around 8% the rate of men. Feminists practice regular, horrific hate-speech with impunity, crying "destroy masculinity" and suggesting wholesale genocide and/or sterilization of men.
Women have dangerously redefined "rape" in ways that not only criminalize standard sexual practices (drunken sex) but undermine the fundamental underpinnings of our justice system by removing the basic burden of proof to rape cases and applying grossly sexist generalizations to men. This redefinition of "rape" is used consistently to favor the rights (and cases) of women, and to deprive men of their rights.
The means by which women seize their power-advantage is consistent: Via constant and unending claims of unequal treatment. There is a constant outcry among women that society is oppressing them. The evidence for this is (apparently) a handful of white CEO's. (Apparently, the millions of male coal-miners, construction-workers, soldiers, truck-drivers, fishermen, etc. aren't convenient to their "male superiority" argument -- so they focus on the 1%, who happen to be richer than everyone, male and female.)
Back on track: Amy Schumer is not funny (see my first point above if you've forgotten the evidence). And like all female comics (and feminists) -- she blames the patriarchy and social oppression for her relative lack of success. She believes a separate set of laws should apply to her despite the fact that she is an admitted rapist -- because: Vagina.
And you're (note the correct use of the 2nd person possessive) incapable of logical discussion, as your resort to ad hominem makes clear.
Hence, a "feminist".
Everyone seems to have forgotten Laws 5, 9, and 15. People who know you shouldn't believe for an instant that you're guilty, as Law 5 implies, but Laws 9 and 15 are the ones I want to focus on: win through your actions, never your argument and crush your enemy completely.
Huh? That's not how I remember the story? Or were there several instances ;o?
One day, as I sat in our driveway in Long Island playing with blocks and buckets, my curiosity got the best of me. Grace was sitting up, babbling and smiling, and I leaned down between her legs and carefully spread open her vagina. She didn’t resist and when I saw what was inside I shrieked.
My mother came running. “Mama, Mama! Grace has something in there!”
My mother didn’t bother asking why I had opened Grace’s vagina. This was within the spectrum of things I did. She just got on her knees and looked for herself. It quickly became apparent that Grace had stuffed six or seven pebbles in there. My mother removed them patiently while Grace cackled, thrilled that her prank had been a success.
I had to play the long game. She would threaten to take my Son and leave so I spent a couple of years avoiding trigger issues with her and when she threatened divorce again April I said yes. She did it with classical hypoagency. "If you keep talking to me like that we will get a divorce" shit test "there is nothing wrong with the way I'm talking to you, im not going to change" "we have to get divorce then, but it's because you want to, you have to say you want a divorce" 'I want a divorce' and I filed.
Proud, strong wymyn can do no wrong. Listen and believe.
Not surprising in the least. Earlier in the year there was an episode of Broad City in which one of the main characters is having sex with a guy and he passes out from the heat of the apartment. When she realizes that he's out she thinks for a moment and decides to continue despite his being unconscious. Later in the episode, the two girls are hanging out in a college dorm and one of them makes out with one a boy there who ends up being underage. The next day I was curious if there was going to be any outrage about what would undoubtedly be declared a rape and sexual assault of a minor were the genders reversed and found that not only was no one upset, but there was actually an article on The Slate titled "There was a rape on Broad City last night, and it was hilarious." Of course I'm not suggesting that the rape depicted needed to be outraged against (the man in the show when told what happened said he didn't mind), but the fact that if the genders were reversed the would've been a huge outcry really got me to realize the hypocrisy of how we view rape as a society. Seriously, just imagine a show in which a guy continues to have sex with a girl after she passes out and she tells him the next day that she was ok with what happened and that it's not a big deal- I think you can imagine the Jezebel headlines yourself.
Historically everybody, men and women alike, had shitty lots in life for a variety of reasons - war, lack of resources, lack of technology, etc. However, as long as a woman was marginally attractive, I guarantee statistically her life was loads better than any average man's throughout humanity's long history.
You honestly think women's "rolls" (you've been looking at Amy Schumer too much, I take it) in society constitute "suffering a great deal at the hands of men"? Please. Being a glorified babysitter and housekeeper are not suffering - suffering is taking a bullet for your country, or working yourself literally to death in a coal mine for your family. Why come here and preach this bullshit? Seriously fucking lame.