In 1969, I was in high school. At our school we used to sneak off to the parking lot, as far away from the school as we could get, to smoke cigarettes. (Which was against the rules, of course, although we all carried packs of smokes around in our shirt pockets.) One time, out at our smoking spot, one of my friends said, "Hey, you guys wanna see my new birthday present?" He opened the trunk of his car and brought out a brand-new (unloaded) deer rifle with a 3x9 telescopic sight. We were passing it around from guy-to-guy admiring it, looking through the scope, pointing it down the street , looking at other students across the campus and other stupid teenaged boy behavior, when this deep voice loudly said, "WHAT ARE YOU ASSHOLES DOING?" We turned around, and there was Coach Carr, bigger than hell. The guy with the rifle quickly tossed it to the owner, who squeaked out, Eddie-Haskell-like "Oh, gosh, Coach, I was just showing the guys my birthday present."
Coach Carr relaxed and said, "Oh. I thought you were smoking. Put that shit away and get back to class."
True story. Houston, Texas, Lamar High School, 1969.
Coach Carr seems like he was a hell of a guy.
Edit: read his obit below; he was in fact a hell of a guy.
When I went to HS (class of '81) you could look across the parking lot and easily see 20 shotguns in truck gun racks.
I Googled, hoping I could be that asshole who was like "He's still alive and [insert some badass shit hes doing here]."
Nope, prostate cancer, '07.
Edit: Figure I should link the story, as he really did seem like a pretty great dude
Wow It Was So Fun Reading That Title. I Love Reading The Beginning Of Each Word Loudly.
My dad told me that for PE they were taught how to skeet shoot and everyone was allowed to bring their own guns. I wish I was alive at that time!
The impression I'm getting from the posts in this sub is that guns=cool.
I don't remember guns being seen as cool or a status symbol when I was growing up. They were just a part of life in the country.
The impression that I get is that guns used to be a part of normal life until crazies started shooting people up. Now kids get suspended if they bring in a chicken nugget in the shape of a gun.
Well, as bad as this sounds, prostate cancer means nothing else could kill him. If nothing else kills a man, prostate cancer will. There is a defined time at which the DNA in the prostate will unravel and cause cancer. There are even clinics that can test you and tell you when you will die of prostate cancer if you don't die of something else first.
I'm pretty sure I wouldn't want most of the kids I went to high school with to be handling guns near me.
That's because kids aren't taught how to handle them in school anymore. We should change that.
Students & teachers bonding over shotguns- ah, the good old days!
It was actually a pretty shit year. Aside from the moon landing and Woodstock, 69 was the year of Nixon becoming president, his continuation of the Vietnam war, the subsequent Mai Lai massacre and the draft of American citizens, the Manson family murders of Sharon Tate and her friends, Hurricane Camile, The Days of Rage in Chicago, Wal-Mart incorporating, Two Black Panther members getting killed in their sleep by Chicago Police officers, the first appearance of the AIDS virus in America, and the Altamont concert, which was supposed to be a sort of west coast Woodstock, but because of the violence that erupted it ended up going down in history as the event that killed the sixties.
I did this in my highschool in 2008 and 2009 in Central Oregon. Was a great PE class We even did archery and aerial targets with my teacher standing behind a sheet of plywood throwing targets in the air.
My college also had a gun locker for on campus residents. I graduated in 2014.
I aim to please.
My father died last year of prostate cancer (it spread). I find your comment oddly comforting :)
My father grew up in Michigan in the 50s and 60s. He said he and his bothers would hunt in the morning and bring their guns to school like many of the other students. Guns were kept in a special locker until the final bell. It was a different era...
I think they prefer to be called students.
Gun powder would need some form of spark from the primer to ignite. The amount of heat In a hot car might warm them up but it would take a considerable amount to make them combustible.
clinics that can test you and tell you when you will die of prostate cancer if you don't die of something else first.
There is as yet, no mechanism to accurately predict when someone will develop prostate cancer. We have some imperfect methods to find it at an early stage, but nothing like what you've described. Further, lifetime risk of prostate cancer is high in the USA and Western Europe but not as high in the Far East and other parts of Asia. Far more men die with prostate cancer than of prostate cancer anyway.
Your high school was pretty progressive for its time. In my high school (in a town in Oklahoma) smoking cigarettes right outside the high school was allowed well into the 80s.
Nowadays the only time I get to bond with teachers over shotguns is when Mr. Falanski shows up to a house party to prey on young girls.
I didn't know schools in La Pine went past 5th grade, I mean there's only 5 fingers on a hand how can you expect them to count any higher
In some places thats still acceptable especially in areas were hunting is a big deal. Hell when I was in high school a couple years ago I use to keep a shotgun in my truck during turkey season because I would go before school. I wasn't the only one to I would say a good 40% of the students would go. The teachers all new there were guns in our cars but they also understood we were all into hunting so it wasn't a big deal.
Yea everything you just said is pretty much bullshit.
Gun violence being normalized doesn't mean it wasn't a problem. And the reduction of that gun violence is a good thing independent of media coverage of gun violence.
Also, people are not less educated about guns than they used to be in the glory days of the goddamn US of A or whatever. They were categorically worse.
Gun accident deaths have drastically decreased in the United States as a function of time . While I could not find gun ownership data from as early as 1903, the reduction in gun accident deaths rapidly outpaces what I could find regarding gun ownership numbers. If that trend can be extended back as I assume it does, then people at the turn of the century were AWFUL at using guns safely by modern standards.
It is also a myth that in 'the good ol' days' armed citizens acted as a major deterrent to gun violence. Here is a list of rampage killers. Notice the number of them that managed to kill/wound multiple targets and commit suicide or be arrested. Even in the early 1900's people were not 'putting them down like dogs' as one would say.
It is also a myth that school shootings are a product of modern media attention, there are multiple examples, like this one.
The move away from gun use and violence is happening and I don't think it is too controversial to say that is a good thing. It is even perceptible in pretty short timespans as shown here. I disagree that there is anything to 'unfuck'.
EDIT: changed 'rampage killer' source to the correct wiki page and formatting.
Well we tried. but Jimmy quit and Jodie got married.
Switzerland trails behind only the U.S, Yemen and Serbia in the number of guns per capita; between 2.3 million and 4.5 million military and private firearms are estimated to be in circulation in a country of only 8 million people. Yet, despite the prevalence of guns, the violent-crime rate is low: government figures show about 0.5 gun homicides per 100,000 inhabitants in 2010. By comparison, the U.S rate in the same year was about 5 firearm killings per 100,000 people, according to a 2011 U.N. report.
At my high school (in Germany though) smoking was allowed ON the school grounds in a designated area until 2003. Now the students just smoke on the sidewalk next to the school.
Was Coach Carr doing the drug busting?
You have impeccable typing skills for an 8 month old.
Right. And the police have changed their tactics for active shooter response specifically because of the psychology of active shooters. It was found that literally all mass shooters go in with the intention of ending their own lives (either by killing themselves, or by forcing armed responders to shoot them). It was also found that they decide to end their own lives in two circumstances:They run low on ammunition. They encounter resistance (i.e. an armed responder)
Almost all shootings are stopped by the second mechanism. That is, the police or CCW engages the shooter either by firing at the active shooter or by displaying their weapon and demanding the active shooter drop their weapon. At that point, the active shooter either dies from being shot by the responder or they take their own life.
Armed personnel guarding entrances and being present within a building gives a would-be shooter knowledge that they aren't going to take more than a single life before they get shot. It's basically the same thing as presenting resistance to the active shooter before the shooting has even begun. The best way to prevent mass shootings is to allow open and concealed carry and to give any would-be shooter knowledge that there are multiple armed personnel that will shoot back as soon as they begin their attack.
You don't have to guess. Every mass shooting in recent memory has taken place in a gun free zone.
(I'm only talking about the U.S.)
1976: smoking allowed on school grounds if you were sophomore or above, bring your rifle or shotgun to school if you keep it in your car while on school grounds, enlist in the military the summer before your senior year if you wish, move out and move away the summer after you graduate.
2016: get triggered by a poem that hurts your feelings.
I believe the reason for this is that nowadays there is no way you could ever bring a gun within a school zone, let alone as a student, as guns have become so sensationalized by politicians and the media, and what was once ordinary is now seen as dangerous and absurd.
People in this thread are feeling nostalgic about when they went to High School, or wishing they went to High School when this was a normal thing, because they feel like guns have been unjustly demonized.
I'm sorry for your loss man. It's the end of the line for all guys, and if nothing else gets us, it will. I know what it's like losing a family member. My grandpa recently died. He was a tough one though. He was given 8 months to live when I was born, and he kept on kicking until this month.
Yeah but the gunman would also be facing numerous others with guns. I would think the type of person to shoot up a school or other place like that does so knowing they have little opposition, at least initially.
'69 was a good year
I live in Houston, and the only time I've ever been to Lamar High School we pulled up and there was a drug bust going on in the parking lot
Aaah the summer of 69'
Funny how things change. I'm from a country town and my freshmen year a boy was expelled because he went turkey hunting before school and forgot to take his gun out of the car before parking in the school lot and someone saw it. Nevermind that it was unloaded, locked in a car, and he was an academically excellent student who had never been in trouble. Zero tolerance policy saved the day again!
This was my favorite line from this article: "Although guns are responsible for between 200 and 300 suicides each year in Switzerland, Pro-Tell’s Suter says these statistics have to be put in a wider perspective. He points out that the bullets used in suicides are only a tiny fraction of the 75 million rounds of ammunition that are fired each year in Switzerland during military and civilian target practice." In other words, it's not the gun that kills, it's the bullet and, in the whole scope of all the bullets fired, very few actually kill anyone.
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But if they allow guns in schools they might end up like Utah! with 0 school shootings ever
No, guns used to be a part of life until the news started running like mad with the story every time some crazy shot someplace up.
It's only been getting worse as the guns disappear from law-abiding life thanks to this fear campaign(all in the name of money, of course, I imply no agenda on the part of the news).
Edited to add: Crazies have tried to be crazy with guns since they were invented. The difference is, back then, everyone used guns in their daily life; be it hunting, working, fighting, protecting their land from animals/lawlessness. You walk into a public place to shoot it up, and everyone was probably armed, and everyone used their weapons every day. You got put down like a dog before you could do too much damage.
Obviously society isn't there anymore, so giving everyone guns wouldn't fix anything now, not sure how we unfuck that.
I was an armorer, MOS 2111, Small Arms Repairman, in the Marine Corps in the 1970s. I saw M60 machineguns fired with one belt of ammunition linked to another in a continuous belt where the gunner fired off 300, 400 rounds in long bursts. The barrels actually became hot enough to glow in the dark. Because the M60 (and many other machineguns) fires from the "open bolt" position, each round is only in the firing chamber of the barrel for a split second, not enough time to "cook off" a cartridge before it is fired by the firing pin within the bolt. I saw young Marines light their cigarettes off a smoking hot barrel. I also saw Marines urinate on the hot M60 barrels to cool them off. (Yes, it stunk pretty bad.)
Shooting a machinegun like this is very hard on the gun. The gunners are supposed to only fire 3 to 5 round bursts, but in the heat of the moment people do stupid things. Weirdly enough, the first component to fail is not usually the bolt or barrel, but a large piece called the operating rod, which "carries" the bolt. It wears out right where it is connected to the bolt, where there is a little roller bearing. An M60 barrel is lined with a very durable metal called "stellite." They last about 30,000 or 40,000 rounds if cared for properly. Gun teams carry a spare barrel, so they are sort of cavalier about "shooting a barrel out." But when the shit hits the fan, you want that gun UP AND RUNNING, not broke down with a stoppage.
grain of salt with the gun accident death rate
suicide was often labelled "gun accident" rather than suicide
What did you do with the dead turkeys while you were at school?
Must've been La Pine, Madras, or Redmond because I know we didn't get to do any of that in Bend during that same time frame
Wouldn't this make it easier for the gunman to enter the school with a gun?
Or rather because many of the kids I went to high school with were delinquents who I wouldn't want handling guns near me, regardless of whether they know how to handle them or not.
The media constantly telling everyone to live in fear.
People always talk about "The good ol' days". How everything was crime free and you could walk down the street without a care in the world.
In actuality the crime levels were probably about on par (adjusted for population) as they are today. If you did hear about something, it was something that happened right in your own backyard.
Nowadays you can live in Boise, Idaho and hear about an attack on a Japanese subway. People are constantly bombarded with shit happening all over the world and it becomes an echo chamber where we think everyone and everything is out to kill us.
Really put it in perspective. Unless you live in an active war zone, an extremely impoverished country, or a handful of first world ghettos how often do you see first hand craziness? There are WAY too many mass shooters and crazy assholes about, but the average citizen is orders of magnitude more likely to die in a car accident than gunned down by a psychopath. Yet the news tells us we are lucky to make it home every night. It creates an environment of constant paranoia.
Shotguns are one of the cheapest guns to shoot. Used to be .22 was until the crazies (specifically, Sandy Hook) happened. I remember buying bricks of 500 rounds of .22 for like $5 back in 2006-2007. Now you're lucky if you can find a pack of 50 or 100 for $10-15, which is coming up on "real caliber" price territory. Thankfully, shot shells are still dirt cheap unless you're getting something fancy (slugs, target loads, etc. etc.).
You should write a song about that...
Huh. I'll have to re-read the stuff I read then. Either I got duped by a pseudo-science article or I misinterpreted it. Thank you for informing me.
What is 'title case' for 200?
We did that just 10 years ago and the guns were kept in our cars
Are you kidding? Prostate cancer offers one of the best prognoses of all. Considering all stages, the survival rate over 15 years is 95%. Caught in earlier stages, that number nears 100%. And since it's practically guaranteed in older men, it's routinely tested for, all but guaranteeing early detection.
Over the past few decades, the autoignition temperature for most gunpowder composites has been increased greatly. Not sure on the exact number, but barrels get extremely hot after firing multiple rounds, enough to blister a hand, but shells are unaffected by this. I would assume the auto ignition temperature is at least 200-300 degrees.
For us the sixties died the day we sold our old vw bus...December 31, 1969
I showed the boys my shotgun
that I had in the trunk of my car
My high school art teacher is in his 60s or 70s and he told us a story about how one of his rich friends brought two brand new loaded uzis to school in its heyday. The only thing the school did was keep the guns in the front office till the end of the day for him to pick them up. Now I don't know exactly how true this story is but my art teacher sounded pretty genuine when he told it.
How Can Our Words Be Titles If Our Reading Isn't Loud
That's when Reddit finally has decent searching and ad relevancy.
Combining private and military ownership is disingenuous at best since there is a mandatory military service which requires you keep your own gun at home but the ammunition is stored at the center of town. Compatible ammunition can be purchased privately but it's not as easy to obtain as it in the U.S.
Their screening process is very strict compared to most of the U.S. You have to undergo a thorough background check for both gun and ammunition purchases. If you have mental problems it's a nogo as well.
They also have significantly lower rates of poverty and a population that is more educated and has better economic opportunity than the average U.S. citizen.
Prostate cancer means that cancer cells form in the tissues of the prostate. Prostate cancer tends to grow slowly compared with most other cancers. Cell changes may begin 10, 20, or even 30 years before a tumor gets big enough to cause symptoms. Eventually, cancer cells may spread (metastasize). By the time symptoms appear, the cancer may already be advanced.
By age 50, very few men have symptoms of prostate cancer, yet some precancerous or cancer cells may be present. More than half of all American men have some cancer in their prostate glands by the age of 80. Most of these cancers never pose a problem. They may never cause symptoms or become a serious threat to health.
National Cancer Institute
I thought the 60's were killed in 1970.
Definitely not true, the mall in Clackamas, Oregon is not a gun free zone
No firearms or illegal weapons https://www.clackamastowncenter.com/en/code-of-conduct.html
Also gun deaths via suicide are typically slid into general gun death numbers to inflate the statistics dramatically.
Oh come on, guns have always been cool and fun to shoot, its a common hobby and sport like archery. They are also a part of life and can be used for utility aswell but lets not pretend guns arent cool, we all played guns at one point as kids.
I shoulda known we'd never get far
Gut and clean them, keep them on ice in the cooler.
I thought he was on probation?
Wayne LaPierre just jizzed in his pants
I highly reccommend http://www.cancer.org/cancer/index for accurate and well written cancer information for laymen. This section has detailed information: http://www.cancer.org/cancer/prostatecancer/detailedguide/index
There's a great deal of misinformation about cancer online.
Murmansk 2016. Coach laugh and point if student not smoke cigarett.
File under things you'll never see again.
Claim to be an American Indian, start whining about them suppressing your culture.
Crazies have always been "shooting people up" or burning them up or exploding them in this country. Career politicians want power, and those that happily give up freedom for a false sense of security give it to them.
I mean they tried to teach kids math too...
Yeah same here, I graduated near Berlin in 2001 and we had a designated smoking area right by one of the main doors. Probably also has to do with the fact that smoking was legal at 16, not sure if the law has changed since then, haven't been over there in a while.
It seems almost insane nowadays, with how vilified smoking is everywhere. For good reason.
Growing up in Northern California in the 80s I'd see a lot of guns in racks as a kid. I can't imagine that now, they'd get stolen the first time you stopped your car.
The crazies always used to shoot people up. What changed was the coverage.
You're right that schools have become a lot softer of a target since the introduction of gun free zones and zero tolerance policies.
The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise.Albert Einstein
Guy at my high school a few years back got expelled for having a bow in his closed trunk. He didn't even have any arrows, and never brought it out, they just happened to check his car in a random check. He had gone hunting over the weekend and had forgotten to move the bow, they didn't care. There was no appeal, no anything, just expelled.
RIP Mr. Jones, the most courageous PE teacher of all.
I went to school in Germany, not once have I seen a gun on anyone but a police officer in all my life
We had to give a speech in JR High. Or teacher was adamant about "getting your audiences attention". This was 1976, Kirkland WA. A male student named Rod, stepped up to the podium, pulled out a pistol and fired it into the air. All the girls screamed. He got an A. He didn't bring the gun from home, he got it from the track coach. It was a starter pistol. All I can think about now when I remember that story, is little kids today getting suspended for even making a gun-like gesture with their hand. The oddest part, no other teacher or student came from nearby classes to see if anything was wrong.
Lad on the left looks like Papa Frank
Did you just have that all loaded up? You ask me what happened in 2015 and I probably couldn't differentiate it from events in 2014
What's so special about the summer of 6919?