Live No Mercy 2017 Discussion Thread
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Venue: Staples Center
City: Los Angeles, CA
Approximate venue size: 21,000
Estimated crowd attitude: Smarky
CardMatch Extra Apollo Crews (with Titus O'Neil) vs. Elias Singles match Brock Lesnar (c) (with Paul Heyman) vs. Braun Strowman Singles match for the WWE Universal Championship John Cena vs. Roman Reigns Singles match Dean Ambrose and Seth Rollins (c) vs. Cesaro and Sheamus Tag team match for the WWE Raw Tag Team Championship Finn Bálor vs. Bray Wyatt Singles match Neville (c) vs. Enzo Amore Singles match for the WWE Cruiserweight Championship Alexa Bliss (c) vs. Sasha Banks vs. Bayley vs. Nia Jax vs. Emma Fatal 5-Way match for the WWE Raw Women's Championship The Miz (c) (with Curtis Axel and Bo Dallas) vs. Jason Jordan Singles match for the WWE Intercontinental Championship
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Finn Balor rocking the "Someone else is already playing as this character, and I'm player two" look.
Finn won the Universal Championship with a dislocated shoulder
But this takes him out
Calling it. He gets taken backstage and the demon comes out.
Alt-skin Balor. I like it.
Probably had a big fart locked and loaded for D-Vons head
There is absolutely no way a flying headbutt will not also hit the junk. And no one in the history of this move sells it as if their tailbone is hurt. They are always selling the groin.
It attacks the tailbone like an atomic drop.
What is it about Simpsons clips that go so well with wrestling?
Maffew you legend
Exceptional work with this one Maffew. You are the best.
Pre No Mercy 2017 Discussion Thread
Keep your Spoilers away from this thread unless you mark them. If there are unmarked spoilers they will be removed as soon as we see them. anyone who posts unmarked spoilers may be liable for a warning, temp or permanent ban from the sub so do not do it.
If you see an unmarked spoiler help out by reporting it. If you do not want spoilers to the PPV I would encourage to tread cautiously throughout this and the live thread, we try our best but it's tough to catch every single unmarked spoiler. Thanks and enjoy your night!Match Stipulation Apollo Crews (with Titus O'Neil) vs. Elias Singles match Brock Lesnar (c) (with Paul Heyman) vs. Braun Strowman Singles match for the WWE Universal Championship John Cena vs. Roman Reigns Singles match Dean Ambrose and Seth Rollins (c) vs. Cesaro and Sheamus Tag team match for the WWE Raw Tag Team Championship Finn Bálor vs. Bray Wyatt Singles match Neville (c) vs. Enzo Amore Singles match for the WWE Cruiserweight Championship Alexa Bliss (c) vs. Sasha Banks vs. Bayley vs. Nia Jax vs. Emma Fatal 5-Way match for the WWE Raw Women's Championship The Miz (c) (with Curtis Axel and Bo Dallas) vs. Jason Jordan Singles match for the WWE Intercontinental Championship
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Give me Titus Worldwide or give me death. Can we please have an angle where Titus Worldwide all kneel for the national anthem.
I love Lesnar, but imo they need to strike while the iron is hot with Strowman.
If Jason Jordan wins clean over The Miz in a normal singles match tonight with the Miztourage ringside I will be so pissed.
I know this will never happen, but...
What if Braun beat Lesnar like Lesnar beat Cena?
What's the deal with Vince being against wrestlers looking into the camera?
So let's recap; As well known as it already was this is now them coming out and saying "we are how you get in contact with WWE". This lures top talent to Evolve for Gabe to work with using their drawing power to make money and get them to stop bad habits before having to pay them more to do it in NXT. Not a terrible business decision if a little overly capitalistic.
The email in question, just in case anyone has problems with the website:
This is an important email so please read it through.
We are about to enter a transition period. I want to use this weekend to prepare for that. A major part of this will be the in ring work. You are all awesome, obviously, or you wouldn't be booked. However, I want to change some things you do in EVOLVE to make EVOLVE different and also prepare for what's next.
I will explain more in person, but this weekend please concentrate on these things:
-Make every lock up on the show count. I saw Regal last week and he was at BOLA. I was surprised for him to say that he didn't see many good lock ups there. Honestly, he said he barely saw one good lock up. I know this might be surprising, especially since some of you were on the show. This is a major thing. It's about starting your match up with believability. Please let's put on emphasis on lock ups where you fight for position rather than go into a spot.
-Don't look into the floor camera at anytime. This is a Vince/WWE thing. I really don't care if you look into the camera or not, but this is a habit you will have to break as soon as you go to WWE/NXT, so you might as well break it now. I can explain this more in person. It's a huge thing there, so don't discount this.
-Make every kick, strike and chop count. I don't mean go in there and beat each other up. Just don't waste your kicks, strikes, chops and sell it. In addition, consider who your opponent is. If Keith Lee is striking you, sell it bigger than if someone smaller was striking you. Keep the situation and opponent in mind with your selling and how you do kicks, strikes and chops.
-Don't do cool stuff for the sake of cool stuff. Everything should be about winning the match. I'm not saying don't do cool stuff, but don't do it just to do it.
Have it make sense in your match.
-Challenge yourself to break your normal routine of spots. I don't care what match rating you get on Twitter. This is small picture stuff. I want everyone to think big picture and long game. I can explain this better in person.
-I've been traveling with Chris Dickinson a lot lately since we are from the same area now. We have talked about this stuff extensively in the car. I feel he has a good grasp of it and can explain it from a worker's perspective, which I can't. Please get with him on any questions. I've also told Chris to take more of a leadership role and point things out, so please be open to what he has to say. Thank you.
-Some other notes:
-Belltime each night is 8pm. Please be at the venue by 5:30pm.
-Sal is is getting hotel in a little bit. If you are flying in, we'll tell you where to go soon to hang out. Brandon Tolle is arranging all the rides. Please get with him on rides. If you don't hear from us by tonight, let me know.
-Please remember the EVOLVE rules when it comes to:
-Nothing derogatory towards minorities, women, ethnicities or any other groups.
-No piledrivers.neck bumps, apron spots, anything that drops you on your head.
-Nothing hardcore without permission -No unprotected headbutts
-No mic work without permission
-Be super nice to kids
-No guests in your hotel rooms! We are not going to pay for an extra hotel room cause someone is your ride or you are bringing someone along. We arrange three per room. We are not budgeted for more hotel rooms. No one gets added to these rooms. It is for the comfort of everyone in the room.
-I will send out booking info late night. This weekend is going to be mostly about wrestling. We aren't going to go big into storyline stuff or angles during this transition period. I want everyone to really concentrate on their matches, think of the fundamentals and making everything solid and make sense.
-If you need anything call or text me [number redacted]. If you can't reach me and it's an emergency contact Sal at [number redacted].
I look forward to a fun weekend. Thank you, Gabe
Sent from my iPhone"
That has been Gabe's deal for a very, very long time.
He has been a taste setter and an excellent judge of talent for well over a decade.
He may or may not be a shitty promoter but you cannot doubt his ability to make names in the business who then go on to WWE and owe part of their career to him. Lot's of contacts over the years as a result.
PSA: Do Not Buy DVDs Directly From PWG
Hello all, first I just want to say that I've tried everything within my power to remedy this situation but have not had any response from PWG's email accounts, their twitter, their paypal, or any other avenue of contact I've attempted. I feel that all I can do now is publicly warn potential customers of poor service so they don't end up in my situation.
So with that said let's do a TL;DR : Last November I purchased five DVDs during PWG's holiday sale they run every year on their website. It's now the 24th of September and I have yet to hear about the $40.00 purchase. I've tried contacting them through various means over the months but have not had a response.
Longer version: I bought 5 DVDs from PWG's website, http://www.prowrestlingguerrilla.com/merch . I received my paypal notification that the payment went through and saw the money withdrawn from my bank account. I originally reached out to the company via firstname.lastname@example.org on February 13th asking about the DVDs, but got no response.
No big deal, I figured they were busy with the winter holidays. I tried again in July, this time providing a picture of my paypal receipt and invoice number for their reference. Still no response.
I tried contacting them via Twitter since they seem to post a lot promoting when tickets go on sale, BOLA line ups, etc. Still no response.
In August I contacted Paypal about the issue and filed a report. They said because the order was over 180 days old they couldn't do anything about a refund and I should contact my bank. So I went to my bank later that week and told them the situation. Their response? Because it was an order placed over 60 days ago they couldn't do anything to help.
I'm really torn from posting this because I love PWG, I have almost every show of theirs on DVD from Highspots spanning from 2006 to 2014. I supported them, a lot. So to be treated like I have been has made me loose all interest in continuing my support for the company. I'm also going to have to be forced into reporting them to the better business bureau to try and get my money back because obviously they don't care enough to even reply to me.
Before anyone raises pitchforks I just want to say that I have NEVER had an issue buying PWG shows from Highspots.com but the very first (and last) time I ever bought from PWG directly they dropped the ball big time.
Is $40 really worth getting worked up over? No, not really. But when I've been in the red with my bank account due to unforeseen car maintenance (to the tune of $1,500 the last two months) in addition to bills and school supplies, having that money in my account and not having been torn up would have been preferred.
Please don't ever buy from them directly, if you want to see one of their awesome shows please buy from Highspots.com, at least you'll get to see the shows you paid for that way.
Seems like people want to defend PWG for this and completely ignore your experience with them. Just because you have been a life long fan without a problem does not make what they did to this guy ok.
Because I wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt. I never had an issue with the company previously and thought maybe they were sold out of a DVD I bought and were doing a reprinting, or had a large backorder to fill from the large rush of orders they probably get during the winter sale.
Why am I a bad guy for trusting them?
Well I'm glad someone actually got what they paid for.
I reached out to the company over six different times between the time of the order and now via Twitter, email, and Paypal and not once did I get a reply from them. That is unacceptable service that deserves to be ridiculed.
When this happened I thought he broke his leg, scary shit.
Otherwise know as a sunset flip....or a blue thunder bomb if your Michael Cole
It's a shame that the women didn't go all out like this.
Good, fuck this guy. There's a difference between internally not being a fan of women's wrestling and making an attempt to drag them down from a level they worked so hard to be at. Hope this guy's barred from wrestling events.
He and any fans like him are pieces of shit.
Aleister Black is fucking great.
That was the written equivalent of kicking the mic out of that dude's hands.
why link to this one and not him getting fucking dragged by Aleister Black?
Post NJPW Destruction in Kobe 2017 Discussion Thread [English Commentary]
React to NJPW Destruction in Kobe 2017 here!Watch NJPW World (English Commentary): http://njpwworld.com/p/s_series_00452_2_1 NJPW World (Japanese Commentary): http://njpwworld.com/p/s_series_00452_1_1 YouTube (Free, English Commentary, first 2 matches): Match Notes Hiroyoshi Tenzan & Hirai Kawato def. Tomoyuki Oka & Katsuya Kitamura Tag Team Match Togi Makabe, Jushin Thunder Liger, Tiger Mask IV, Ryusuke Taguchi & Ricochet def. Suzukigun (Takashi Iizuka, Yoshinobu Kanemaru, Taichi, El Desperado & TAKA Michinoku Ten Man Tag Team Match CHAOS (Hirooki Goto & YOSHI-HASHI) def. Bullet Club (Bad Luck Fale & Chase Owens) Tag Team Match Beretta defeated Yujiro Takahashi Singles Match Killer Elite Squad (Lance Archer & Davey Boy Smith Jr.) defeated War Machine (Hanson & Raymond Rowe) (c) & Guerrillas of Destiny (Tama Tonga & Tanga Loa) IWGP Tag Team Championship 3-Way Match (No DQ, No Countout) (4th Defense Attempt) Hiroshi Tanahashi & Michael Elgin def. Kota Ibushi & David Finlay Tag Team Match CHAOS (Tomohiro Ishii, Toru Yano & Rocky Romero) def. Los Ingobernables de Japon (Tetsuya Naito, SANADA & BUSHI) Six Man Tag Team Match CHAOS (Kazuchika Okada & Will Ospreay) def. Los Ingobernables de Japon (EVIL & Hiromu Takahashi) Tag Team Match Kenny Omega (c) defeated Juice Robinson IWGP United States Heavyweight Championship Match (1st Defense) YOSHI-HASHI asks to challenge for the IWGP US Heavyweight title. Kenny Omega says that YOSHI-HASHI has done little to deserve to challenge for the title, but that he currently is still searching for opponents, so he accepts this challenge, which he says will be a suitable form of public exercise
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Kenny Omega may be an actual Terminator, 2 weeks off of knee surgery and still pulls off the best match of the show
Juice is lying in his bed in the room at the New Japan Dojo later this night. His attack on Kenny's leg is on his mind because he said he wouldn't do it
He turns his head towards one of the other beds in the room."Hey Finlay. Am I an asshole?" "Just fucking go to sleep, Juice."
Top Rope One Winged Angel, holy shit what a killer move.
Best match of the tour, IMO.
Live NJPW Destruction in Kobe 2017 Discussion Thread [English Commentary]
Show TimePacific USA Eastern USA UK Central Europe Japan East Australia Sep 24 12AM Sep 24 3AM Sep 24 8AM Sep 24 9AM Sep 24 4PM Sep 24 5PM Watch NJPW World (English Commentary): http://njpwworld.com/lp/l_enlive_120_1 NJPW World (Japanese Commentary): http://njpwworld.com/lp/l_live_120_1 YouTube (Free, English Commentary, First 2 Matches Only): Match Notes Time Limit Hiroyoshi Tenzan & Hirai Kawato vs. Tomoyuki Oka & Katsuya Kitamura Tag Team Match 20 Togi Makabe, Jushin Thunder Liger, Tiger Mask IV, Ryusuke Taguchi & Ricochet vs. Suzukigun (Takashi Iizuka, Yoshinobu Kanemaru, Taichi, El Desperado & TAKA Michinoku Ten Man Tag Team Match 20 CHAOS (Hirooki Goto & YOSHI-HASHI) vs. Bullet Club (Bad Luck Fale & Chase Owens) Tag Team Match 20 Beretta vs. Yujiro Takahashi Singles Match 20 War Machine (Hanson & Raymond Rowe) (c) vs. Guerrillas of Destiny (Tama Tonga & Tanga Loa) vs. Killer Elite Squad (Lance Archer & Davey Boy Smith Jr.) IWGP Tag Team Championship 3-Way Match (No DQ, No Countout) (4th Defense Attempt) 60 Hiroshi Tanahashi & Michael Elgin vs. Kota Ibushi & David Finlay Tag Team Match 30 CHAOS (Tomohiro Ishii, Toru Yano & Rocky Romero) vs. Los Ingobernables de Japon (Tetsuya Naito, SANADA & BUSHI) Six Man Tag Team Match 30 CHAOS (Kazuchika Okada & Will Ospreay) vs. Los Ingobernables de Japon (EVIL & Hiromu Takahashi) Tag Team Match 30 Kenny Omega (c) vs. Juice Robinson IWGP United States Heavyweight Championship Match (1st Defense Attempt) 60
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Sitting front row, behind commentators. Shall I try to get the reddit logo on screen during interview time?
"He should be disqualified, he's got a foreign object in his trunks."
Brilliant, Don. Absolutely brilliant
one like = one prayer for the Ace's old haircut