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Mourinho, Wenger, Klopp and Guardiola provide their excuses for not winning the league this year

Mourinho, Wenger, Klopp and Guardiola provide their excuses for not winning the league this year

If you make a league with the top20 managers in the world, 3 of them will get relegated.

Edit: Great video, funny shit.

That Mourinho impression was uncanny.

and yet they call europe socialist.

"I developed a sixth sense for these things"

"Sixth haha"

"shut up"

Predicting Promoted Club Survival Rates in the Premier League, based on Championship Performance [OC]

Predicting Promoted Club Survival Rates in the Premier League, based on Championship Performance [OC]Background

The introduction of the Playoffs has brought added spice to the end of season drama, but some argue that it dilutes the strength of the PL by having potentially weaker teams secure promotion via this method.

I will have a look at this in the post below and discuss how worthy this argument is, amongst some other bits and bobs including taking a look at already Promoted Championship sides from 2016/17 (Newcastle and Brighton). I had a vested interest in this as a Fulham fan, but we are no longer a part of this party, so I am instead looking at the remaining two contenders, in addition to Champions: Newcastle, and Runners Up: Brighton.

Next week's Championship Playoff final will be the 22nd (since the PL became 20 teams), and will be contested between Premier League virgins Huddersfield, and old faeces (that’s right you pieces of shit), Reading who have had the fortune of being promoted as champions in 2005-06 and 2011-12.

I will consider historic promotion data, look to add some weight to old arguments, and hopefully uncover some new stuff along the way. This post will go through some of the stats from this years Championship, and see how they perform when predicting the likelihood of a promoted team becoming established in the Premier League. For the purposes of this piece, I am using the term 'established' to mean a team that achieves 5+ consecutive years in the PL.

 

So... Here is the full history of promotions:

Season Team Championship Status 2016–17 Newcastle United Winner 2016–17 Brighton Runner-up 2016–17 Reading Playoffs 2016–17 Huddersfield Playoffs 2015–16 Burnley* Winner 2015–16 Middlesbrough Runner-up 2015–16 Hull City Playoffs 2014–15 AFC Bournemouth* Winner 2014–15 Watford* Runner-up 2014–15 Norwich City Playoffs 2013–14 Leicester City* Winner 2013–14 Burnley Runner-up 2013–14 Queens Park Rangers Playoffs 2012–13 Cardiff City Winner 2012–13 Hull City Runner-up 2012–13 Crystal Palace* Playoffs 2011–12 Reading Winner 2011–12 Southampton* Runner-up 2011–12 West Ham United* Playoffs 2010–11 Queens Park Rangers Winner 2010–11 Norwich City Runner-up 2010–11 Swansea City* Playoffs 2009–10 Newcastle United Winner 2009–10 West Bromwich Albion* Runner-up 2009–10 Blackpool Playoffs 2008–09 Wolverhampton Wanderers Winner 2008–09 Birmingham City Runner-up 2008–09 Burnley Playoffs 2007–08 West Bromwich Albion Winner 2007–08 Stoke City* Runner-up 2007–08 Hull City Playoffs 2006–07 Sunderland Winner 2006–07 Birmingham City Runner-up 2006–07 Derby County Playoffs 2005–06 Reading Winner 2005–06 Sheffield United Runner-up 2005–06 Watford Playoffs 2004–05 Sunderland Winner 2004–05 Wigan Athletic Runner-up 2004–05 West Ham United Playoffs 2003-04 Norwich City Winner 2003-04 West Bromwich Albion Runner-up 2003-04 Crystal Palace Playoffs 2002-03 Portsmouth Winner 2002-03 Leicester City Runner-up 2002-03 Wolverhampton Wanderers Playoffs 2001-02 Manchester City* Winner 2001-02 West Bromwich Albion Runner-up 2001-02 Birmingham City Playoffs 2000-01 Fulham Winner 2000-01 Blackburn Rovers Runner-up 2000-01 Bolton Wanderers Playoffs 1999-00 Charlton Athletic Winner 1999-00 Manchester City Runner-up 1999-00 Ipswich Town Playoffs 1998-99 Sunderland Winner 1998-99 Bradford City Runner-up 1998-99 Watford Playoffs 1997-98 Nottingham Forest Winner 1997-98 Middlesbrough Runner-up 1997-98 Charlton Athletic Playoffs 1996-97 Bolton Wanderers Winner 1996-97 Barnsley Runner-up 1996-97 Crystal Palace Playoffs 1995-96 Sunderland Winner 1995-96 Derby County Runner-up 1995-96 Leicester City Playoffs

Anything with a star denotes a team that has been promoted to the Premier League and who have not yet been relegated.

 

Who are the promotion kings? Winners Total Sunderland 4 Newcastle United 2 Reading 2

Sunderland have won the league 4 times since the inception of the playoffs. Watch out next year lol. Newcastle have just secured their second Championship Title. Last time they hung around in the PL for a while... Reading also have 2 titles, including the win in 05-06 which saw them collect the MOST amount of points in a Championship Season (During the Playoff Age) with 106. They hold secured the greatest Goal Difference in a single season with +67.

 

Runners Up Total West Bromwich Albion 3 Birmingham City 2 Middlesbrough 2

Boing Boing, the Baggies have been promoted FOUR times, but three of them are as best of the rest.

This year, Brighton have secured the highest Runner-up pts total in Playoff History with 93, matching Burnley's tally as runners up in 2013/14. Incidentally this was also Burnley’s Title winning season haul in 15/16.

 

Playoff Wins Total Crystal Palace 3 Hull City 2 Watford 2 West Ham United 2

Palace are the kings of the Playoffs, and have won promotion 3 times via this route. Other sides who favour the Playoffs are Hull (15/16), and West Ham (11/12), who both arrived in the PL via this route for a second time... More on this in a bit..

 

Team Total Promotions Sunderland 4 West Bromwich Albion 4 Birmingham City 3 Burnley 3 Crystal Palace 3 Hull City 3 Leicester City 3 Norwich City 3 Watford 3

So in total, there are some common names that have enjoyed plenty of promotion joy since the playoffs were introduced. Palace obviously have benefitted more than anyone, but there are collections of teams who have yo-yo'd between the top 2 divisions.

 

On Average, how long do promoted teams stay for?

So in the 21 Years of Playoff history that's 63 promotions (21 Winners, 21 Runners up and 21 Playoff Champions), how long do promoted teams last with the big dogs? Let's have a look at the spread..

Length of Stay Total Clubs as % 1 Season 29 47 2 Seasons 8 13 3 Seasons 3 5 4 Seasons 1 2 5+ Seasons 12 18 Not Yet Relegated (NYR) 10 16 Total Promotions 63 -

So yeah you may have guessed it..

A massive 60% of promoted sides are relegated from the PL within the first 2 years. It appears however, that if you can survive the first 2 seasons, there is a significant drop off in the number of teams relegated after 3 or 4 seasons.

83% of teams that are able to avoid relegation in the first 2 years go on to become established PL sides (that is secure at least 5 years in the Premier League). So what implication does that have for this year’s teams? Basically, make it past the 2nd year without falling out of the league, and you have a HUGE chance of going on to become a fully-fledged PL side. Also, this is great news for Bournemouth and Watford Fans. :)

Somewhat surprisingly 35% of promoted sides go on to establish themselves as a PL club for 5+ years, so its not the massacre that some would have you believe.

 

What difference does it make where you finish?

Well some would argue that promoted teams are weaker as they finish below the automatic promotion sides. How does this stack up? Well, I looked at the average length of stay for each promotion method, and there is indeed a significant difference...

Postion Average Length of Stay Winners 3.95 Runner-up 3.67 Playoffs 2.71 Winners Last on average 3.95 seasons. Runners up fair only slightly worse, lasting 3.67 seasons. There is a massive drop in the length of stay for sides who are promoted via the playoffs. Playoff teams last on average just 2.71 seasons.

 

So now that we know Championship Winners generally last longer than Playoff winners, let’s take a look and try to understand why?

Some of the metrics that suggest a good side are Goals Scored, Overall Goal Difference, Points, and Goals Conceded. All these metrics give an overall impression of how strong a side is...

I am aware that teams and tactics change, but in the short term i.e. first 1 or 2 seasons following a promotion, these metrics provide an indicator regarding a teams playing style, strengths and weaknesses. Again these do change from one season to the next, but fuck it, let’s have a look anyway cos I already crunched the numbers.

 

Points

Teams who storm the division usually take a lot of points. But are points an accurate predictor of if a team is likely to avoid the PL trapdoor after promotion?

Season Team Championship Status Champ Pts GF GA GD Length of Stay 2005–06 Reading Winner 106 99 32 67 2 1998-99 Sunderland Winner 105 91 28 63 4 2013–14 Leicester City* Winner 102 83 43 40 4 2009–10 Newcastle United Winner 102 90 35 55 6 2000-01 Fulham Winner 101 90 32 58 13 2001-02 Manchester City Winner 99 108 52 56 15 2002-03 Portsmouth Winner 98 97 45 52 7 1996-97 Bolton Wanderers Winner 98 100 53 47 1

63% of teams who score 98 Points or more go on to become established PL sides.

89% survive the first season.. Only 1 team who have achieved this marker have gone on to be relegated from the PL in the next season.

63% success is significantly higher than the 35% average, so pick up lots of points on the way to promotion and you stand a good chance of staying up in the medium to long term. None of this year’s teams have chalked up that many points so we will have to look elsewhere..

 

Goal Difference

Points are sometimes harder to come by if the division is more competitive. So let’s look at Goal Difference as this can also give an indication of a teams quality. Below are the Top 10 previous GD scores.

Season Team Championship Status Champ Pts GF GA GD Length of Stay 2005–06 Reading Winner 106 99 32 67 2 1998-99 Sunderland Winner 105 91 28 63 4 2000-01 Fulham Winner 101 90 32 58 13 2001-02 Manchester City Winner 99 108 52 56 15 2009–10 Newcastle United Winner 102 90 35 55 6 2014–15 AFC Bournemouth Winner 90 98 45 53 3 2002-03 Portsmouth Winner 98 97 45 52 5+ 1996-97 Bolton Wanderers Winner 98 100 53 47 1 2016–17 Newcastle United Winner 94 85 40 45 TBC 2004–05 Wigan Athletic Runner-up 87 79 35 44 8 2009–10 West Bromwich Albion Runner-up 91 89 48 41 7

Of the top 10 previous sides with the greatest GD Ratio, 70% have gone on to become established PL sides. This is therefore, arguably, a better indicator of a teams quality when they are promoted.

Only 1 team out of the 10 best Goal Difference scorers were relegated in their first year (Bolton 96-97).

This years Newcastle side are actually of the GD vintage having achieved the 9th best GD in Championship history (+45) since the inception of the playoffs.. As a result, they make a strong case for avoiding the drop in 2017/18 and also for going on to secure long term top flight status.

 

Now let’s look at the 10 worst GD scores for sides who have been promoted...

Season Team Championship Status Champ Pts GF GA GD Length of Stay 2009–10 Blackpool Playoffs 70 74 58 16 1 2006–07 Derby County Playoffs 84 62 46 16 1 2007–08 Stoke City Runner-up 79 69 55 14 NYR 2008–09 Burnley Playoffs 76 72 60 12 1 2012–13 Crystal Palace Playoffs 72 73 62 11 NYR 2003-04 Crystal Palace Playoffs 73 72 61 11 1 2004–05 West Ham United Playoffs 73 66 56 10 5+ 2012–13 Hull City Runner-up 79 61 52 9 2 1998-99 Watford Playoffs 77 65 56 9 1 1995-96 Leicester City Playoffs 71 66 60 6 5+ 2016–17 Reading Playoffs 85 68 64 4 TBC 2016–17 Huddersfield Playoffs 81 56 58 -2 TBC

What does that mean? Well 50% of the lowest GD scorers were relegated in their first season.

This climbed to 60% after the second season, which is actually bang on the average.

Basically though, if you can’t do the business at both ends of the pitch, there is a good chance you will be relegated.

 

You will hopefully notice that at the bottom of the pile are this years Reading and Huddersfield sides.

Whoever wins this game will be promoted with the lowest Goal Difference since the inception of the playoffs. Worrying.

Rather than just looking at GD holistically, let's consider the specifics.

 

Are you more likely to stay up if you can score bags of goals? Season Team Championship Status Champ Pts GF GA GD Length of Stay 2001-02 Manchester City Winner 99 108 52 56 15 1996-97 Bolton Wanderers Winner 98 100 53 47 1 2005–06 Reading Winner 106 99 32 67 2 2014–15 AFC Bournemouth Winner 90 98 45 53 3 2002-03 Portsmouth Winner 98 97 45 52 7 1998-99 Sunderland Winner 105 91 28 63 4 2014–15 Watford Runner-up 89 91 50 41 2 2000-01 Fulham Winner 101 90 32 58 13 2009–10 Newcastle United Winner 102 90 35 55 6 2009–10 West Bromwich Albion Runner-up 91 89 48 41 7

If you can average more than 1.95 Goals Per Game (89 total), there is just a 10% chance you will be relegated in the 1st season.

Only 30% of these sides are relegated after a second season, still way below the average.

50% of these sides go on to become an established PL team.

 

To confirm this, lets look at teams who were promoted with less than impressive scoring records.. If we look at the sides who have been promoted, who averaged less than 1.5 goals per game (69 Total)...

Season Team Championship Status Champ Pts GF GA GD Length of Stay 2010–11 Swansea City Playoffs 80 69 42 27 6 2007–08 Stoke City Runner-up 79 69 55 14 10 2015–16 Hull City Playoffs 83 69 35 34 1 2011–12 Reading Winner 89 69 41 28 1 2016–17 Reading Playoffs 85 68 64 4 TBC 2006–07 Birmingham City Runner-up 86 67 42 25 1 2004–05 West Ham United Playoffs 73 66 56 10 6 1995-96 Leicester City Playoffs 71 66 60 6 6 2007–08 Hull City Playoffs 75 65 47 18 2 1998-99 Watford Playoffs 77 65 56 9 1 2003-04 West Bromwich Albion Runner-up 86 64 42 22 2 2015–16 Middlesbrough Runner-up 89 63 31 32 1 2006–07 Derby County Playoffs 84 62 46 16 1 2012–13 Hull City Runner-up 79 61 52 9 2 2001-02 West Bromwich Albion Runner-up 89 61 29 32 1 2013–14 Queens Park Rangers Playoffs 80 60 44 16 1 1995-96 Sunderland Winner 83 59 33 26 1 2016–17 Huddersfield Playoffs 81 56 58 -2 TBC 2008–09 Birmingham City Runner-up 83 54 37 17 2

This does not read well for these teams..

53% of sides who manage less than 1.5 GPG are relegated in their 1st season. this climbs to 77% by second season, both higher than the agreed averages.

You will notice this years Playoff sides Reading and Huddersfield, are both in this category...

Huddersfield if promoted, will have the second worst goals scored total in playoff history. It's worth noting there are some REALLY crappy teams on this list.

So OK, I hear some of you say, 'it's not all about scoring goals, defending is the key to staying up'..

 

"Don't concede, you won't get beat"

Looking at the sides who have been promoted having conceded the most amount of goals, we can see how long they tend to stick around..

Season Team Championship Status Champ Pts GF GA GD Length of Stay 2016–17 Reading Playoffs 85 68 64 4 TBC 2012–13 Crystal Palace Playoffs 72 73 62 11 4 2003-04 Crystal Palace Playoffs 73 72 61 11 1 2008–09 Burnley Playoffs 76 72 60 12 1 1995-96 Leicester City Playoffs 71 66 60 6 6 2009–10 Blackpool Playoffs 70 74 58 16 1 2016–17 Huddersfield Playoffs 81 56 58 -2 TBC 2010–11 Norwich City Runner-up 84 83 58 25 3 1998-99 Watford Playoffs 77 65 56 9 1

Teams that have been promoted having conceded more than 1.15 Goals per game (56 in total) do not fair well when they are promoted.

Generally 63% of these teams are relegated in their first season. Way above the 47% average.*note again, both Reading and Huddersfield appear in this category..

 

If Reading are promoted they will hold the worst defence in promotion history, conceding a whopping 64 goals. Among them for company are the Palace 03-04, and Watford 98-99 teams who both haemorrhaged goals in the PL.

If Huddersfield are promoted they will hold the worst Goal Difference in promotion history since the inception of the playoffs, and will in fact be the only team to ever secure promotion to the Premier League with a NEGATIVE goal difference. They also have T6 worst defence in history of playoffs. Other sides who have been promoted with less than double digit goal differences have all met the same grim fate in the Premier League (barring Leicester’s 95-96 team).

 

What about teams that are not so porous?

Looking at the very best defences, and teams who concede less than a goal every 1.4 games or '0.7 goals per game':

Season Team Championship Status Champ Pts GF GA GD Length of Stay 1998-99 Sunderland Winner 105 91 28 63 4 2001-02 West Bromwich Albion Runner-up 89 61 29 32 1 2015–16 Middlesbrough Runner-up 89 63 31 32 1 2000-01 Fulham Winner 101 90 32 58 13 2005–06 Reading Winner 106 99 32 67 2 2010–11 Queens Park Rangers Winner 88 71 32 39 2 1995-96 Sunderland Winner 83 59 33 26 1 Only 36% of these teams are relegated in 1st Season. This rockets to 72% by the second season.

This is very interesting, as it suggests defensive teams are able to fight off the drop in their first year, but are often found lacking in the second. As a tactic, it appears that 'Keeping it tight' alone is not enough to secure long term PL status.

It is therefore worth noting that although some of these sides had excellent defensive records, they were often lacking going forward. In fact the three sides with the lowest 'Goals For' in this table were all relegated in their first season.

So what does this mean? Well Its fair to say you can’t draw conclusions just from this, however it’s clear that if you concede a lot of goals in the Championship, you will be relegated early on in your Premier League escapade. Likewise, if you can’t score goals, you will struggle to survive. That is why goal scorers are so highly prized... So now let’s take a look at top goal scorers for all the teams who were promoted, and see what role they have played in promotion and how that might predict survival rates..

 

Top Scorers Season Status Team Top Scorer Total Team Goals Scored As a % Length of stay 01-02 Winner Manchester City Shaun Goater 32 108 30 5+ 03-04 Playoff Crystal Palace Andy Johnson 32 64 50 1 12–13 Playoff Crystal Palace Glenn Murray 30 61 49 5+ 97-98 Winner Nottingham Forest Pierre van Hooijdonk 29 82 35 1 99-00 Runner-up Manchester City Shaun Goater 29 78 37 1 00-01 Winner Fulham Louis Saha 27 90 30 5+ 11–12 Runner-up Southampton Rickie Lambert 27 81 33 5+ 02-03 Winner Portsmouth Svetoslav Todorov 26 97 27 5+ 04–05 Runner-up Wigan Athletic Nathan Ellington 25 76 33 5+ 08–09 Winner Wolverhampton Wanderers Sylvan Ebanks Blake 25 80 31 3 15–16 Winner Burnley Andre Gray 25 72 35 2 96-97 Winner Bolton Wanderers John McGinley 24 100 24 1 98-99 Runner-up Bradford City Lee Mills 24 82 29 1 99-00 Winner Charlton Athletic Andy Hunt 24 79 30 5+ 00-01 Playoff Bolton Wanderers Michael Ricketts 24 76 32 5+ 02-03 Playoff Wolverhampton Wanderers Kenny Miller 24 73 33 1 97-98 Playoff Charlton Athletic Clive Mendonca 23 77 30 1 98-99 Winner Sunderland Kevin Phillips 23 91 25 4 00-01 Runner-up Blackburn Rovers Matt Jansen 23 76 30 5+ 16–17 Winner Newcastle United Dwight Gayle 23 85 27 TBC 16–17 Runner-up Brighton Glenn Murray 23 74 31 TBC 99-00 Playoff Ipswich Town David Johnson 22 71 31 2 11–12 Playoff West Ham United Ricardo Vaz Te 22 69 32 5+ 10–11 Runner-up Norwich City Grant Holt 21 71 30 3 95-96 Runner-up Derby County Dean Sturridge 20 66 30 5+ 95-96 Playoff Leicester City Iwan Roberts 20 59 34 5+ 02-03 Runner-up Leicester City Paul Dickov 20 81 25 1 13–14 Winner Leicester City David Nugent 20 83 24 4 13–14 Runner-up Burnley Sam Vokes 20 72 28 1 14–15 Winner AFC Bournemouth Callum Wilson 20 98 20 3 14–15 Runner-up Watford Odion Ighalo 20 91 22 2 15–16 Playoff Hull City Abel Hernandez 20 63 32 1 07–08 Winner West Bromwich Albion Kevin Phillips 19 88 22 1 10–11 Winner Queens Park Rangers Adel Taarabt 19 83 23 2 13–14 Playoff Queens Park Rangers Charlie Austin 19 60 32 1 96-97 Playoff Crystal Palace Bruce Dyer 18 76 24 1 04–05 Playoff West Ham United Teddy Sheringham 18 66 27 5+ 05–06 Winner Reading Kevin Doyle 18 99 18 2 10–11 Playoff Swansea City Scott Sinclair 18 69 26 5+ 14–15 Playoff Norwich City Cameron Jerome 18 88 20 1 16–17 Playoff Reading Yann Kermorgant 18 68 26 TBC 96-97 Runner-up Barnsley Neil Redfearn 17 78 22 1 09–10 Winner Newcastle United Andy Carroll 17 90 19 5+ 04–05 Winner Sunderland Marcus Stewart 16 79 20 1 09–10 Playoff Blackpool Charlie Adam 16 74 22 1 15–16 Runner-up Middlesbrough David Nugent 8 63 12 1 97-98 Runner-up Middlesbrough Mikkel Beck 15 80 19 5+ 01-02 Playoff Birmingham City Tommy Mooney 15 61 25 3 05–06 Runner-up Sheffield United Ade Akinbiyi 15 77 19 1 07–08 Playoff Hull City Frazier Campbell 15 65 23 2 03-04 Winner Norwich City Darren Huckerby 14 79 18 1 05–06 Playoff Watford Darius Henderson 14 76 18 1 06–07 Runner-up Birmingham City Gary McSheffrey 14 67 21 1 07–08 Runner-up Stoke City Ricardo Fuller 14 69 20 5+ 95-96 Winner Sunderland Craig Russell 13 71 18 1 09–10 Runner-up West Bromwich Albion Chris Brunt 13 89 15 5+ 06–07 Winner Sunderland David Connolly 12 76 16 5+ 16–17 Playoff Huddersfield Elias Kachunga 12 56 21 TBC 03-04 Runner-up West Bromwich Albion Lee Hughes 11 72 15 2 08–09 Runner-up Birmingham City Kevin Phillips 11 72 15 2 98-99 Playoff Watford Gifton Noel-Williams 10 65 15 1 01-02 Runner-up West Bromwich Albion Scott Dobie 10 70 14 1 08–09 Playoff Burnley Martin Paterson 10 54 19 1 12–13 Runner-up Hull City George Boyd 10 72 14 2 11–12 Winner Reading Noel Hunt 8 85 9 1 12–13 Winner Cardiff City Aron Gunnarsson 8 73 11 1 06–07 Playoff Derby County Arturo Lupoli 7 62 11 1

 

Quite obviously at the top of the table you can see a lot of teams have a length of stay of 5+ years and you would be right to assume that this means, if you have a goal scorer, you will score more goals and your chances of survival will be greatly improved.

We covered this from a team aspect in 'goals for' but this doesn't always tell the full story. Some teams are heavily reliant on one player for their goals and some spread them amongst the side.

In the above table, there is a column "% of goals". This represents the percentage of the teams goals scored by the top scorer. A higher percentage means the team were more reliant on the striker, a lower percentage means the team were not so reliant on the player.

 

Sides that are heavily reliant on a single goal scorer Season Status Team Top Scorer Total Team Goals Scored As a % Length of stay 03-04 Playoff winner Crystal Palace Andy Johnson 32 64 50 1 12–13 Playoff winner Crystal Palace Glenn Murray 30 61 49 5+ 99-00 Runner-up Manchester City Shaun Goater 29 78 37 1 97-98 Winner Nottingham Forest Pierre van Hooijdonk 29 82 35 1 15–16 Winner Burnley Andre Gray 25 72 35 2 95-96 Playoff winner Leicester City Iwan Roberts 20 59 34 5+ Generally, when a team is overly

Holy shit OP that has got to be one of the most complete statistical analysis on this subreddit, cheers for the work and for sharing!

I can say with confidence that this is hands down one of the best selfposts /sub/soccer has ever seen. Congratulations, /u/Cheapo_Sam! I sorta wish there was something we could do to make more people read it.

I feel like more effort was put into this than anything I've done in 2017. Top work OP!

There's another 6 Months yet! :)

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/sub/soccer's Premier League Goal of the Week, for every week

/sub/soccer's Premier League Goal of the Week, for every week

I'm certain that at least around half of /sub/soccer is composed of Manchester Fans. Most of the goals were from Manchester United and makes you wonder how many "better" goals were left out.

Anyways great work on this u/EliteKill, would appreciate if you or anybody else could do more of these for other leagues or just top goals from all leagues throughout the year, with the karma included of course

Goals Featured (as scorers):

Manchester United: 11

Liverpool: 6

Chelsea: 5

Leicester City: 4

Arsenal: 4 (The joke writes itself)

Tottenham: 2

Stoke City: 2

Manchester City: 1

Hull City: 1

Burnley: 1

West Ham: 1

ManU supporter overload.

Ibrahimovich scores a tap in

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40,000 karma

Top 5 Goals of the Week:

Giroud vs Crystal Palace, 32.6k karma Can vs Watford, 28.4k karma Mkhitaryan vs Sunderland, 20.8k karma Rooney vs Stoke City, 19.3k karma Carroll vs Crystal Palace, 16.8k karma

Worst Goal of the Week: Can vs Burnley, 1.6k karma

Top Goal of the Week Scorer: Ibrahimovic, 4 goals

Team That Conceded Most Goals of the Week: Chelsea and Crystal Palace, 5 goals each.

My Favorite: Hazard vs Arsenal, 11.2k karma, simply because it's so humiliating.

Average Karma per Goal of the Week: 7.3k

Links to each goal's discussions thread:

Coutinho vs Arsenal Ibrahimovic vs Southampton Rashford vs Hull City Koscielny vs Southampton Henderson vs Chelsea Ozil vs Chelsea Allen vs Manchester United Moses vs Leicester City Shaqiri vs Hull City Costa vs Southampton Pogba vs Swansea Giroud vs Manchester United Pedro vs Tottenham Ibrahimovic vs Everton Vardy vs Manchester City Ibrahimovic vs Crystal Palace Ibrahimovic vs West Bromwich Albion Mkhitaryan vs Sunderland Giroud vs Crystal Palace Alli vs Chelsea Carroll vs Crystal Palace Rooney vs Stoke City Luiz vs Liverpool Hazard vs Arsenal Brady vs Chelsea Drinkwater vs Liverpool Kane vs Everton Can vs Burnley Lingard vs Middlesbrough Coutinho vs Everton Vardy vs Sunderland Firmino vs Stoke City Rashford vs Chelsea Clucas vs Watford Can vs Watford Kompany vs Crystal Palace Okazaki vs Manchester City Harrop vs Crystal Palace

For the first time in 21 years, Arsenal fails to make the top 4 in the Premier League

For the first time in 21 years, Arsenal fails to make the top 4 in the Premier League

Leicester broke football

Calling it now - Bayern will stumble in the group stages of Champions League and get third, fall to Europa League, and we'll have to make our annual trip to the Allianz in the round of 32.

Traditions broken. Sunderland go down, Arsenal fail to make the top 4.

Real Madrid are the 2016/2017 La Liga champions!

Real Madrid are the 2016/2017 La Liga champions!

Zidane is the best thing to happen to us since Zidane !

A huge chunk of credit to Zinedine Zidane. He has completely changed the team's identity since his arrival as a manager and fucking finally, la liga is ours! :'D. What an absolute legend!

http://imgur.com/a/8mkdY

Barcelona diving to win against Eibar while checking how things are in Malaga

The Leicester City ground team have gone all out for their last pattern at the King Power

The Leicester City ground team have gone all out for their last pattern at the King Power

As if! That does look excellent

Would be interested to know how they do this

Oompa Loompa's with nail scissors.

Makes sense really. They are nice but anything other than a horizontal pattern could throw an official off, circular patterns could make somebody appear to be onside/offside when they aren't, I'd imagine.

Rule changes :( Patterns won't be allowed anymore.

Manchester United 1-0 Crystal Palace (Harrop 15')

Manchester United 1-0 Crystal Palace (Harrop 15')

Rashford is pushing on a bit in age, good to see there's a replacement for him in the club.

This lad's older than him.

That assist by Pogba was dirtyyyyyyy, Harrop finessed that.

We have our own cut inside man

Celtic have gone the whole 2016/17 SPL season unbeaten.

Celtic have gone the whole 2016/17 SPL season unbeaten.

Kolo Toure is a two time Invincible. Legend.

You know a lot of shit is gonna be thrown about the the league being uncompetitive, not a challenge and how it's not really anything special to have gone unbeaten. But they folk are diddies.

This hasn't been done in over a hundred years, it wasn't done in the 60's when we went 9 in a row and won the European Cup, it wasn't done in the 90's when Murray was pumping millions into rangers as they spent well beyond their means while our club almost died, as they matched our record of 9 in a row. It didn't happen in the 4 years after the liquidation of rangers where we've only had Aberdeen for company.

Make no mistake, this is special. It's a tremendous achievement and will go down in the history books. Undefeated, record points, record goals, record number of wins and all with fundementally the same team as we had during what was a very disappointing last season. Brendan Rodgers deserves an obscene amount of credit for the transformation throughout the club. Long may the party continue.

We literally won the last 11 titles. Shit gets blurry

That spell of three draws in six games was unacceptable. Surprised Rodgers survived that tbh.

Totti and Lahm both retire this weekend. By the time Lahm made his debut, Totti had been playing for 10 seasons & won Serie A.

Totti and Lahm both retire this weekend. By the time Lahm made his debut, Totti had been playing ...

That's actually insane, probably the best Totti stat I've seen.

75,000 Roma fans crying? Sounds great!

Just to be clear, Totti isn't retiring this weekend. There are still 2 rounds to play in Serie A, so if he will be retiring this year (and he hasn't said anything about that himself yet), it will be next week at home against Genoa.

The match was sold out within days after tickets became available, so the Olimpico will be completely full as far as I know. If you want to see 75.000 people in tears, then be sure to watch Roma next week.

To put it into context, Totti was on the first ever Championship Manager (for the young Ines, this is what is now Football manager)

Try one of these subthreads