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Mike Pence is neck-deep in Donald Trump’s James Comey mess

Mike Pence is neck-deep in Donald Trump’s James Comey mess
Mike Pence is neck-deep in Donald Trump’s James Comey mess

"Calm down, mother."

Pence's wife: I TOLD YOU NOT TO TAKE THIS FUCKING JOB I FUCKING TOLD YOU

Given what Pence did to Indiana he deserves everything coming his way.

Sensible people suggested being associated with tRump would be toxic.

I read that in Seymour Skinner's voice.

Report: Trump knew Flynn was under investigation weeks before inauguration

Report: Trump knew Flynn was under investigation weeks before inauguration
Report: Trump knew Flynn was under investigation weeks before inauguration

I wouldn't say that the reporters are impressing me, the IC is.

If you watch the news carefully there is a penumbra of petty leaks surrounding a core of leaks that I'm gonna call

The Good Shit

The petty leaks are things like "Trump wanted us to reduce briefings to bullet points," "Trump yelled about how bad Spicer did on TV," "Trump is mad at Bannon and has excluded him from meetings," etc. - these are clearly coming from WH staff that are either frustrated with Trump or turf-warring with each other.

The Good Shit is different. It's the serious career-ruining stuff. And it's become clear that The Good Shit is coming from one source, a "Mister Good Shit" if you will, or from a group of sources that are coordinating with each other (same difference).

Some inferences we can make about Mr. Good Shit:

Mr. Good Shit is deploying both tactical and strategic processing of the leaks.

Tactically, a clear pattern has emerged of "Leak something as an unsubstantiated claim, give the WH room to deny, then destroy their credibility by leaking the proof as a followup." I'm sure that the smarter people in the WH have figured this out, the problem is that their moron media defenders like Hannity keep taking the bait every time.

Strategically, the leaks have been proceeding "up the food chain" from Flynn, Sessions and Manafort to Trump, Pence and Ryan. Like rolling up a tube of toothpaste. The pressure is not being applied randomly but from one end to the other.

Another pattern that we've seen with The Good Shit is that Mr. Good Shit only leaks to the Washington Post and New York Times. The Good Shit has never been sent to a TV station - that one excerpt of tax returns that Maddow got, which probably wasn't even from Mr. Good Shit, is the closest any TV news program has had to having a real scoop.

Comey seems to be on Team Good Shit, as the leak of the Comey memo substituted for the expected Good Shit leak of that day.

Mr. Good Shit is controlling the pace of the unraveling of the Trump Presidency. Not the media, not Congress. This isn't coming from newspapers doing investigative reporting and uncovering stuff. It's 100% driven by Mr. Good Shit.

Mr. Good Shit is accelerating his pace. It used to be one or two Good Shits dropped per week, then it became daily and on the 17th we had two or three depending on how you count it.

Mr. Good Shit directs the scope of the leaks for political advantage. He held on to the Good Shit about Ryan until Ryan went on record as being anti-Comey or at least Comey-skeptic. Then bam, Ryan got hit with the Good Shit the very next day.

Mr. Good Shit seems to be directing NYT/WAPO to release their articles at around 5p Eastern, although this could be the newspapers' doing.

Mr. Good Shit has indicated Flynn as the thread to pull on. All the most damaging leaks are about Flynn. I doubt this is because Manafort, Page, etc. are clean, it's because Mr. Good Shit has a counterintelligence flavor to his leaks and he sees Flynn as a traitor. Or it's because he sees Flynn as the shortest clearest path to establishing impeachable offenses. In any case, the out-in-the-open investigation is basically following wherever Mr. Good Shit publicly points. It may even be that Mr. Good Shit is the investigation (i.e., Mr. Good Shit is a consortium of counterintel operatives, or one or more Senators) and the public investigation exists only to recapitulate what is already privately known in DC.

I hope Mr Good Shit never comes out publicly, and just continues away through the rest of his life waking up morning knowing he (or they) is a fucking American hero.

True patriots working behind enemy lines, so to speak. They understand that our government is bigger and more important than one administration and some god damn tax breaks. Be thankful there are still a few left.

I've gotta say that there has never been a more important time for journalists to be good at what they do, and reporters at the WaPo and the NYTimes and others are impressing me every day.

Flynn stopped military plan Turkey opposed – after being paid as its agent

Flynn stopped military plan Turkey opposed – after being paid as its agent
Flynn stopped military plan Turkey opposed – after being paid as its agent

And this, kids, is why we do not have compromised people in positions of authority.

I mean, at least we weren't warned about him, right? Right? Guys?

He literally stopped Kurdish fighters from taking Raqqa back from ISIS because Turkey thought it would give the Kurds legitimacy.

Those same Kurds that were beat up by the Turkish President's Bodyguards in DC yesterday during their peaceful protests

The fucking connections to all of this are insane....

Flynn literally aided ISIS, and they made him the National Security Adviser.

Check out the New York times piece, Flynn told the transition team he was under investigation!

Trump knowingly hired him and allowed him to change the US's plans against the country he was getting payed by. Unfuckingbelievable.

Quick edit: here is that article

This blow's every excuse for Trump and pence out of the water. Pence fucking lead the transition team that hired him.

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Before He Came to White House, Trump Team Knew Flynn Was Under Investigation

Before He Came to White House, Trump Team Knew Flynn Was Under Investigation

There's more:

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article151149647.html

During the transition, the Obama admin. wanted to proceed with anti-ISIS military OPS in coordination with the Kurds in northern Iraq Raqqa in Syria. But, given that it was ten days before Trump was sworn in, they deferred to Flynn to make the call. Flynn nixed them.

Turkey was against the operation, and Flynn was being paid by the Turks. He made national security decisions under the influence of foreign money. That smells like treason.

Flynn is THE thread to tug on for now.

Timeline of notable events surrounding Flynn. Let me know if there are any errors and I'll fix them right away. All events listed have been reported by reputable sources (AP, Reuters, NYT, WaPo, WSJ, CNN, etc.)

For annotated timeline with various sources I used, Click here

Not included are a lot of Flynn's campaign actions, how the Russian interference in the election progressed, Sean Spicer's continuously evolving denials on Flynn's actions and Trump's knowledge, or issues involving players like Page and Manafort

Edit: Looking for info on when Kushner, Flynn, and Kislyak met



December 2015: Flynn attends Russia Today dinner. He is seated next to Putin. Receives $33k for his appearance

April 2016: Flynn has DIA security clearance renewed. He does not disclose any payments from Russia

July 2016: FBI begins to investigate any ties between Trump campaign and Russia

August 2016: Flynn begins lobbying for Turkey. Ultimately receives $530k over course of his work

November 8th: Flynn writes Op-ed advocating better relations with Turkey

November 8th: Donald Trump wins election

November 10th: In first meeting between Trump and Obama, Obama raises concern over Flynn

November 8-17th: At some point in November, Flynn informs transition team of intent to register as foreign agent

November 17th: Flynn is named for National Security Adviser. 

November 18th: Elijah Cumming sends letter to VP-elect Pence, including notification of Flynn lobbying company's work with Turkey

November 30: The Justice Department sends a letter to Flynn notifying him they were scrutinizing his lobbying work.

December 2016: Michael Flynn has undisclosed conversation with Sergei Kislyak, the Russian Ambassador to the United States. Around the time Obama put new sanctions on Russia

January 4th: Flynn informs transition team he was under investigation for Turkey lobbying

January ~10th: Flynn delays ISIS attack plan that Turkey objected to. 

January 15th: Pence says Flynn phone-call with Kislyak in December was unrelated to sanctions

January 18th: Flynn meets for 'working breakfast' with Turkish Minister of Foreign Affairs

January 20th: Donald Trump’s inauguration

January 24th: Flynn has interview with FBI 

January 26th: Sally Yates informs the WH that reports about Flynn’s conversations were untrue and Flynn was susceptible to compromise.

January 27th: Donald Trump has dinner with Comey. Trump asks him for loyalty.

January 30th: Sally Yates is fired. Administration & Trump cite refusal to defend travel ban

February 9th: Washington Post reports that Flynn discussed sanctions

February 13th: Washington Post reports that Yates warned WH

February 13th: Flynn resigns

February 14th: Trump asks Comey to end Flynn probe. “I hope you can let this go”

March 9th: Flynn registers as foreign agent under FARA

March 9th: Pence says story that Flynn registering earlier in day as foreign agent is first he heard of it. Calls it affirmation of Flynn resignation

March 10th: Story breaks that Flynn had informed transition team of intent to register as foreign agent before inauguration

March 20th: Comey discloses Trump-Russia investigation by FBI. Rebuts Trump claims of Obama ‘wiretapp’

March 31st: Flynn requests immunity. Request rejected next day

May 3rd: Comey testifies to Senate about his decisions in Email investigation

May 8th: Sally Yates testifies that Flynn was at risk for blackmail and that she had warned the WH, confirming media reports

May 8th: Trump asks Attorney General and Deputy Attorney General to write justifications for firing Comey

May 9th: Trump fires Comey. WH claims that it was because of handling of Hillary Clinton email investigation

May 11th: Senate intelligence committee subpoenas Michael Flynn for documents 

May 16th: Trump has meeting with Erdogan in White House

Edit: Thanks! How following this dude makes me feel

Flynn is THE thread to tug on for now.

Timeline of notable events surrounding Flynn. Let me know if there are any errors and I'll fix them right away. All events listed have been reported by reputable sources (AP, Reuters, NYT, WaPo, WSJ, CNN, etc.)

For annotated timeline with various sources I used, Click here

Not included are a lot of Flynn's campaign actions, how the Russian interference in the election progressed, Sean Spicer's continuously evolving denials on Flynn's actions and Trump's knowledge, or issues involving players like Page and Manafort

Edit: Looking for info on when Kushner, Flynn, and Kislyak met

December 2015: Flynn attends Russia Today dinner. He is seated next to Putin. Receives $33k for his appearance

April 2016: Flynn has DIA security clearance renewed. He does not disclose any payments from Russia

July 2016: FBI begins to investigate any ties between Trump campaign and Russia

August 2016: Flynn begins lobbying for Turkey. Ultimately receives $530k over course of his work

November 8th: Flynn writes Op-ed advocating better relations with Turkey

November 8th: Donald Trump wins election

November 10th: In first meeting between Trump and Obama, Obama raises concern over Flynn

November 8-17th: At some point in November, Flynn informs transition team of intent to register as foreign agent

November 17th: Flynn is named for National Security Adviser.

November 18th: Elijah Cumming sends letter to VP-elect Pence, including notification of Flynn lobbying company's work with Turkey

November 30: The Justice Department sends a letter to Flynn notifying him they were scrutinizing his lobbying work.

December 2016: Michael Flynn has undisclosed conversation with Sergei Kislyak, the Russian Ambassador to the United States. Around the time Obama put new sanctions on Russia

January 4th: Flynn informs transition team he was under investigation for Turkey lobbying

January ~10th: Flynn delays ISIS attack plan that Turkey objected to.

January 15th: Pence says Flynn phone-call with Kislyak in December was unrelated to sanctions

January 18th: Flynn meets for 'working breakfast' with Turkish Minister of Foreign Affairs

January 20th: Donald Trump’s inauguration

January 24th: Flynn has interview with FBI

January 26th: Sally Yates informs the WH that reports about Flynn’s conversations were untrue and Flynn was susceptible to compromise.

January 27th: Donald Trump has dinner with Comey. Trump asks him for loyalty.

January 30th: Sally Yates is fired. Administration & Trump cite refusal to defend travel ban

February 9th: Washington Post reports that Flynn discussed sanctions

February 13th: Washington Post reports that Yates warned WH

February 13th: Flynn resigns

February 14th: Trump asks Comey to end Flynn probe. “I hope you can let this go”

March 9th: Flynn registers as foreign agent under FARA

March 9th: Pence says story that Flynn registering earlier in day as foreign agent is first he heard of it. Calls it affirmation of Flynn resignation

March 10th: Story breaks that Flynn had informed transition team of intent to register as foreign agent before inauguration

March 20th: Comey discloses Trump-Russia investigation by FBI. Rebuts Trump claims of Obama ‘wiretapp’

March 31st: Flynn requests immunity. Request rejected next day

May 3rd: Comey testifies to Senate about his decisions in Email investigation

May 8th: Sally Yates testifies that Flynn was at risk for blackmail and that she had warned the WH, confirming media reports

May 8th: Trump asks Attorney General and Deputy Attorney General to write justifications for firing Comey

May 9th: Trump fires Comey. WH claims that it was because of handling of Hillary Clinton email investigation

May 11th: Senate intelligence committee subpoenas Michael Flynn for documents

May 16th: Trump has meeting with Erdogan in White House

Edit: Thanks!

Pence in March: "Hearing that story today was the first I heard of [Flynn being a foreign agent]"

Pence was the HEAD of the transition team.

Michael T. Flynn told President Trump’s transition team weeks before the inauguration that he was under federal investigation for secretly working as a paid lobbyist for Turkey during the campaign, according to two people familiar with the case.

What the fuck. GOP Leaders laughing about Putin maybe paying Trump - fucking Trump idiots hiring a guy for fucking national security advisor who says hey I'm under federal investigation! OMFG FUCKING REPUBLICAN FUCKNUTS

Kellyanne Conway cancels Fox appearance after special prosecutor announcement

Kellyanne Conway cancels Fox appearance after special prosecutor announcement
Kellyanne Conway cancels Fox appearance after special prosecutor announcement

This has been an amazing day. Mueller appointed as Special Counsel by Rosenstein, tape of Ryan and his goons discussing Russian interference before the public was made aware of the DNC hack, Fox admitting Comey's memo actually does exist, and now this. The damned GOP must be running around with their hair on fire. Good, fuckem.

Safe space conway!

Between two ferns spicy!

NYT now reporting that Trump aides knew Flynn was under investigation but hired him anyway. The hits just keep on coming.

And the GOP officially blocked the vote to have an independent investigation by a house-appointed prosecutor just hours before the DoJ appointed one. So now those fuckers are all on record as having been against the thing, and when if the investigation turns up any guilty parties, those fuckers are gonna pay for their nay votes.

Betsy DeVos Wants to Kill a Major Student Loan Forgiveness Program

Betsy DeVos Wants to Kill a Major Student Loan Forgiveness Program
Betsy DeVos Wants to Kill a Major Student Loan Forgiveness Program

I'm ridiculously depending on this as I work for a non profit. Words cannot express how furious I would be if this happened.

She doesn’t get boo’ed nearly enough.

No, no she doesn't. I'd hire someone to follow her around 24/7 and boo her constantly. But I have student loans.

Of course she does. God fuck her and fuck Sessions and fuck Paul and Bitch McConnell. How I wish we could purge the worst people out of this shitty assed party. That's what hurts the most; even if Trump gets ousted and God willing Pence goes down we are still stuck with some EVIL motherfuckers who are in charge of really important things in government. I guess we should just be grateful he hasn't filled a ton of positions but still. It's bad.

With Mueller as the special prosecutor, the White House has every reason to panic

With Mueller as the special prosecutor, the White House has every reason to panic

Had to check out t_d. Here's a typical response:

This is a Genius move. The leftist idiots don't understand that the previous investigation was being driven politically. This investigation will bring out the facts of the leaks. The Seth Rich murder will be uncovered. The DNC and the Deep State are officially fucked.

But I had to go to the 'rising' tab to find out anything about it. Absolutely nothing on the front page.

edit: ...and it's gone.

Former FBI director, not likely going to be one to be intimidated by Trump, and also likely to not think too much of Trump's past relations with the intel community.

Get the popcorn.

TPM had a good story about watergate... the main source of the leaks (deepthroat) was actually the deputy director of the FBI, who was pissed that Nixon appointed a lackey to protect Nixon from investigations. Why did he leak so much? The argument went that the one thing the FBI will fight dirty to protect is their own independence from the executive branch. Like they will fight reeeeeeealy dirty.

Firing the head of the FBI was bad already... openly admitting it was because of the Russia investigation is worse. Mueller isn't just going to nail this investigation: he's going to cash in every favor everyone in washington owes him to nail Trump.

The FBI will absolutely make an example of Trump, in ways the CIA (legally) cannot.

Holy christ. The delusions are fucking palpable. A special investigator isn't there to investigate trump and his cohorts, but rather to uncover the leakers, find the truth about Seth rich, and expose the DNC and deep state.

What a world we live in.

Robert Mueller, Former F.B.I. Director, Named Special Counsel for Russia Investigation

Robert Mueller, Former F.B.I. Director, Named Special Counsel for Russia Investigation

Comey pulled some real Jedi shit here. “If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.”

Preet Bharara:

Having known him for years, I believe special counsel Mueller is a very good thing. He is one of the best -- independent and no-nonsense.

Jason Chaffetz:

Mueller is a great selection. Impeccable credentials. Should be widely accepted.

Jonathan Karl, ABC News Chief:

The White House was blinded by the Special Counsel announcement -- given only about a 30-minute heads up

Bradd Jaffy, Senior News Editor of NBC:

DOJ tells NBC News the White House was informed of the special counsel decision after the order was already signed this afternoon

Laura Jarrett, CNN:

Important timeline of events here per source: Deputy Attorney General's office only informed White House counsel AND AG Sessions AFTER the special counsel order was signed

Statement from President Donald J. Trump:

As I have stated many times, a thorough investigation will confirm what we already know -- there was no collusion between my campaign and a foreign entity. I look forward to this matter concluding quickly. In the meantime, I will never stop fighting for the people and the issues that matter most to the future of our country.

Edit: Copy of Order 3915-2017 (Appointment of Special Counsel)

The Deputy Attorney General did an absolutely great thing here.

-Obi-Wan Jimcomey

Special counsel appointed in Russia probe

Special counsel appointed in Russia probe
Special counsel appointed in Russia probe

Robert Mueller, the FBI Director before Comey. Can't think of too many people that would be better for the job. Godspeed.

I am so fucking glad they put a former FBI director in there.

Brilliant.

CNN previously reported that Rosenstein wouldn't take this step unless he felt the FBI investigation was imperiled. So I think it's safe to infer that the FBI investigation had been imperiled.

Rosenstein kept his word, and appointed someone second only to Comey in terms of respect from the rank-and-file of the FBI.

This is the equivalent of Rosenstien rolling on Trump. He was pissed they tried to pin comey firing on him, and can probably see enough of the iceberg to know to get in a life boat. S.S. Trumptanic going full speed ahead.

TOOT!TOOT!

Justice Department to appoint special counsel to take over Russia probe

Justice Department to appoint special counsel to take over Russia probe
Justice Department to appoint special counsel to take over Russia probe

oh SHIT. Headed by Mueller, former FBI Director who just quit his full-time private sector job to focus on this investigation.

Good job Rosenstein.

EDIT: originally misspelled Mueller's name

Preet Bharara:

Having known him for years, I believe special counsel Mueller is a very good thing. He is one of the best -- independent and no-nonsense.

Jason Chaffetz:

Mueller is a great selection. Impeccable credentials. Should be widely accepted.

Jonathan Karl, ABC News Chief:

The White House was blinded by the Special Counsel announcement -- given only about a 30-minute heads up

Bradd Jaffy, Senior News Editor of NBC:

DOJ tells NBC News the White House was informed of the special counsel decision after the order was already signed this afternoon

Laura Jarrett, CNN:

Important timeline of events here per source: Deputy Attorney General's office only informed White House counsel AND AG Sessions AFTER the special counsel order was signed

Statement from President Donald J. Trump:

As I have stated many times, a thorough investigation will confirm what we already know -- there was no collusion between my campaign and a foreign entity. I look forward to this matter concluding quickly. In the meantime, I will never stop fighting for the people and the issues that matter most to the future of our country.

Edit: Copy of Order 3915-2017 (Appointment of Special Counsel)

Edit 2: Please make sure you're up to date with the other two major breaks this evening:

Washington Post: House majority leader to colleagues in 2016: ‘I think Putin pays’ Trump

New York Times (BIG NEWS): Trump Team Knew Flynn Was Under Investigation Before He Came to White House

As per CNN, he has the power to set his own budget, hire his own staff and exercise "a degree of independence from the normal chain of command." Massive news.

Guys, I'm full blown addicted to political news. Help.

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