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Charity Update

See which incentives levels we've hit here.

If you, unlike the mods of LSC, don't hate the global poor, you can donate to the Against Malaria Foundation here. AMF has received the 'Top Charity' rating from GiveWell in five of the last six years, as well as 'Top Charity' ratings from Giving What We Can and The Life You Can Save for six years running. A $40 donation is enough for the AMF to buy 16-20 mosquito nets (and also entitle you to a flair of your choice on /sub/neoliberal, within reason).

If you don't know what's happening with LSC, read the PMs posted to /sub/drama from when the mods on the Throne of Bones tried to invite /sub/latestagecapitalism to join the charity drive.

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tfw France has their politics more together than Germany

Dirtbagcenter take.

CLP becoming a /sub/neoliberal callout sub is annoying.

But Shrimp bitching about CLP here constantly is just as annoying.

Bankrolling the defence budget for the entire Western world is a quality-of-life program

DAE le amriburgers love their soldiers and guns too much? Upvotes and free college to the left, enlightened NATO leeches!

How to Have the Moral High Ground Next Election

How to Have the Moral High Ground Next Election

What if you're not pro-sexual assault but just anti-anti-sexual assault?

but what if I really don't like the sound of the other candidate's voice, huh? it's really shrill, I bet you didn't consider that.

I can't believe that his party keeps on supporting him. I mean that's just terrible!

Alabama version: Known serial pedophile with minimal regard for the Constitution and federal supremacy

Or

A scary liberal

J.K. Rowling on Twitter: 'Corbyn. Is. Not. Dumbledore.'

J.K. Rowling on Twitter: 'Corbyn. Is. Not. Dumbledore.'

she really is /ourgirl/

edit:

quoted person is

Classical Literature and English student

english is a meme subject

Children's books are still literature, no need to be salty about it.

The salt in the replies is delicious.

JK flairs when?

reddit irl

reddit irl

People coming in from /sub/all seem to misunderstand what we want, so here we go.

Neoliberalism is the desire to exploit the poor so much that they're raised out of poverty.

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Holy shit. My mom came into my room to bring me a plate of chicken nuggets and I literally screamed at her and hit the plate of chicken nuggets out of her hand. She started yelling and swearing at me and I slammed the door on her. I'm so distressed right now I don't know what to do. I didn't mean to do that to my mom but I'm literally in shock from the EA announcement. I feel like I'm going to explode. Why the fucking fuck is EA putting micro-transactions in? This can't be happening. I'm having a fucking breakdown. I don't want to believe the world is so corrupt. I want a future to believe in. I want to LARP as Darth Vader for free. I cannot fucking deal with this right now. It wasn't supposed to be like this, I thought free Darth Vader was polling well on reddit???? This is so fucked.

Gamers are mature adults who's opinions should be taken seriously

Discussion Thread

Discussion ThreadNews Neoliber.al will be launching by the end of November Information Please leave the ivory tower to vote and comment on other threads. Feel free to rent seek here for your memes and articles. Flairs

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Book club

Currently discussing

The Undercover Economist by Tim Harford

Book club wiki

Links Our presence on the web Useful content Twitter /sub/Economics FAQs** Plug.dj Link dump of very useful comments and posts Tumblr Discord Neoliberal Gaming

Please visit /sub/neoliberalgaming to discuss games and participate in gaming events with the /sub/neoliberal community.

Upcoming events:

Competitive and casual CS:GO every Sunday at 7PM EST

PUBG every Thursday

Please join the discord server to participate

Charity Update

See which incentives levels we've hit here.

If you, unlike the mods of LSC, don't hate the global poor, you can donate to the Against Malaria Foundation here. AMF has received the 'Top Charity' rating from GiveWell in five of the last six years, as well as 'Top Charity' ratings from Giving What We Can and The Life You Can Save for six years running. A $40 donation is enough for the AMF to buy 16-20 mosquito nets (and also entitle you to a flair of your choice on /sub/neoliberal, within reason).

If you don't know what's happening with LSC, read the PMs posted to /sub/drama from when the mods on the Throne of Bones tried to invite /sub/latestagecapitalism to join the charity drive.

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Now that I'm finally free from my curse challenge to post nothing but Simpsons all day, I just want to give a huge shout out to /u/totallynotshrimp for yesterday. I think everyone here has helped to build a genuine community on this sub, not just a bunch of memes with a vaguely consistent theme, which I think the DT is pretty clear evidence of. It's you guys that make this a genuinely fun place to hang out, and I think it's that community that mean we really punch above our weight in these charity drives. I don't want to dwell on the unpleasantness afterwards, but the livestream was cool way to make that community a little bit more tangible, so thanks again to Shrimp.

As a side note, Simpsons Day was a lot of fun, but a surprising amount of work. I'll definitely be doing it again some time though.

Finally, I've had one or two people PM me for an album of my best Simpsons response memes, especially for dealing with lefty/righty trolls. I'll put that together with one meme for every $200 we raise for AMF over $25,000. These will be my real AAA rated memes here, you don't want to miss out on this opportunity.

Incentive Update: /u/brberg has unlocked the first Simpsons reaction meme and it's a good one, folks https://imgur.com/TyQFxT5

Now that I'm finally free from my curse challenge to post nothing but Simpsons all day, I just want to give a huge shout out to /u/totallynotshrimp for yesterday. I think everyone here has helped to build a genuine community on this sub, not just a bunch of memes with a vaguely consistent theme, which I think the DT is pretty clear evidence of. It's you guys that make this a genuinely fun place to hang out, and I think it's that community that mean we really punch above our weight in these charity drives. I don't want to dwell on the unpleasantness afterwards, but the livestream was cool way to make that community a little bit more tangible, so thanks again to Shrimp.

As a side note, Simpsons Day was a lot of fun, but a surprising amount of work. I'll definitely be doing it again some time though.

Finally, I've had one or two people PM me for an album of my best Simpsons response memes, especially for dealing with lefty/righty trolls. I'll put that together with one meme for every $200 we raise for AMF over $25,000. These will be my real AAA rated memes here, you don't want to miss out on this opportunity.

Incentive Update: /u/brberg has unlocked the first Simpsons reaction meme and it's a good one, folks

We talked in philosophy how buying luxuries is immoral since you could use that money to help people suffering. Right after I got Jamba Juice.

Except for the reason people should be opposed to the thing, are there reasons to be opposed to the thing?

Broke: Not donating to help buy mosquito nets in order to accelerate the decline of Capitalism

Woke: Demanding EA put loot crates in all of their games in order to accelerate the decline of Capitalism

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>Not the Macron version

/u/ow-pointy, you have failed this subreddit

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bae

tfw you answer every question with "Why do you hate the global poor?"

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X-post from r/LateStageCapitalism shows exactly why JKR is the best

X-post from r/LateStageCapitalism shows exactly why JKR is the best

WOKE

I'm going nowhere! Little known fact about filthy bourgeois neoliberal centrists - we're tougher ...

wtf I love harry potter now

JKR flair when? She Should be PM.

/sub/neoliberal 1997: THINGS CAN ONLY GET BETTER

/sub/neoliberal 2017: I hope my donation brings happiness to children and so I would support loosening regulations to allow capital to flow more easily across borders so people in Africa can get malaria nets

Al Franken is Guilty of Two Counts of Indecent Assault (Under the Common Law)

Al Franken is Guilty of Two Counts of Indecent Assault (Under the Common Law)*Assuming the allegations are accepted. What is Franken guilty of?

If the allegations are correct, and the limitations period unexpired, this would be two counts of indecent assault under the common law.

(Aside: in NZ, the limitations period would not have expired. I can walk you through this if needed.)

All sections are from the Crimes Act 1960.

S135: Indecent Assault, maximum sentence of 7 years imprisonment.

Actus reus:

(a) An assault (intentionally applies force to the body of another or threatens to and has or causes the person threatened to have reasonable grounds to believe that he has the ability to affect his purpose. Force not consented to by the victim) and

(b) Assault is one which right minded people would consider indecent.

Mens rea:

(a) Normal Intention to assault (intent to touch or threaten to touch along with knowledge victim does not consent) and

(b) Intention to do something โ€˜indecentโ€™

For the picture:

s 2 Crimes Act 1960, definition of Assault

A threat (involving act or gesture) to apply force to another which causes them to believe on reasonable grounds that the accused has the present ability to apply The photographed behavior

(Assuming he is not, in fact touching her. If he is, then assault by direct application of force.)

Assault?

We have a threat by act or gesture to apply force (groping) where Franken had the ability to apply force. Per R v Kerr, her being asleep is irrelevant. This is not by words alone, but has a accompanying gesture. He clearly intended to do this act, as evidenced by the photo.

R v Kerr

ยงHeld: The victim DOES NOT HAVE TO BE AWARE of the assault.

(D holds axe over V who is sleeping, unbuttons pants, puts axe down. Claims he was going to urinate.

Charged with intention to assault and threatening to do so with the ability to do so (d). On appeal argues that you can't threaten without the V being awake, they need to be able to perceive it.

Defenses:

Consent? Per s128A you cannot have consented if you are asleep. Honest belief in consent would thus fail, ignorance of the law is no excuse

Common intercourse of life?

Test:

Touching someone directly or indirectly as part of everyday life and in a manner "reasonably necessary for the common intercourse of life" is not an assault if done for that purpose and not disproportionate

Think about it as implied consent by everyone that when you go out there are people around

This would easily fail. People do not go around hovering with their

Therefore, we have an assault. Is it indecent?

ยง (intent to do the behaviour in the context that the jury find to be indecent โ€“ not necessary that defendant knew it was indecent or had a sexual motivation).

(Intent as to do an indecent thing is irrelevant, provided the assault was, by its nature, indecent.)

R v Court:

โ€œBy indecency is meant conduct that right thinking people will consider an affront to the sexual modesty of a womanโ€ฆIts seems natural to me that this extra mental element should be that which constitutes the essence of the offence, namely, an intent to do something indecent to the woman in the sense of an affront to her sexual modesty or, in other words, an intent to do that which the jury find indecent. โ€

(Here we had someone smacking a girl on her buttocks repeatedly. Not inherently indecent but is so in the context of a fetish.)

Therefore, the question is if the jury would consider this act indecent, having regard for the circumstances. This is likely. Groping someone's boobs is not generally considered a decent thing to do.

The alleged kiss:

(Assuming alleged facts are accepted as credible. I will not go into the evidential difficulties..)

Assault, as there is a direct application of force to another.

Consent?

Did she consent? Lack of consent is broad. However, it is established there is no consent if, s128(7), there is a mistake about the nature of the act or its quality. (I am assuming the argument is that she did not consent to a kiss of more than scripted, as anything else would be difficult to prove.)

R v Tabassum

Medical survey used to touch breasts, wasn't a doctor

This changes quality of the act, as they falsely believed done on medical grounds, and thus consented on these grounds.

I would apply Tabassum to say that the act was different in nature and quality from what was consented to. In acting, when called upon to stage-kiss, one does not normally

mashed his lips against mine and aggressively stuck his tongue in my mouth

General practice, as I understand it, is to do what is necessary to give the image across. I would add that the context of a rehearsal hurts this further, as there was no audience present.

We also need a lack of subjective honest belief that consent exist, R v Lee. Need not be reasonable so long as honestly held. Did Franken honestly believe that she had consented to kiss as outlined? Again, general practice is relevant here, which indicates against this belief. As does the context of his prior attempt to induce her, and her evident reluctance.

I'm not certain on this, but I believe a jury would be likely to reject this defence.

Common intercourse of life?

We don't normally kiss random people. This would fail.

For indecency, see earlier.

Therefore, I believe he would be found guilty of two counts of indecent assault

Sentencing

As mentioned earlier, this offence carries 7 years imprisonment. A judge would take into account his apology, a (presumed) early guilty plea. He is unlikely to get the maximum amount, but would likely receive prison time.

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I'm pretty sure "judicial precedent" doesn't quite qualify for "whataboutism".

Iโ€™m not really sure what the point of this post is. Heโ€™s an American, we have our own statutory laws, and this would never go to trial in the first place. Iโ€™m not saying what he did was not wrong or unacceptable, but no prosecutor would waste limited public resources on investigating and prosecuting this.

If this is "whataboutism" then so is literally every sentencing hearing for everyone convicted of a crime in the US ever.

I'm not convinced by this, the average rape sentence is a little under 10 years, with an expectation of of a little under years served. I'm sure a senators lawyer could dig up 10x cases where the president pointed to much more lenient outcomes and he's walk away with a slap on the wrist. I'm not saying his behavior wasn't deplorable, I'm just questioning your arguments

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Why does CTH hate the global poor?

Helping the global poor is a Koch Brothers proposal.

CLICK HERE TO BE A GREEDY, SELFISH, PIG AND DONATE TO SAVE AFRICAN LIVES

An Explanation of this Confrontational Meme:

/sub/neoliberal is currently hosting a charity drive to raise money for the Against Malaria Foundation. A brief description of why this subreddit chose the charity:

This charity was chosen in accordance with effective altruism principles - doing the absolute most good possible with the dollars we donate. AMF is widely regarded as one of the most (if not the most) effective charity in the world in terms of impact per dollar spent. AMF has received the 'Top Charity' rating from GiveWell in five of the last six years, as well as 'Top Charity' ratings from Giving What We Can and The Life You Can Save for six years running.

So far, /sub/neoliberal has raised over $10,000. This is despite being accused by most of the left and particularly Chapo Trap House of consisting entirely of soulless greedy bugmen, who despise the global poor and see Africans as only potential employees for sweatshops. In reality, /sub/neoliberal supports the system which has done more to save third-world lives than literally any other economic system that has ever been attempted, especially socialism. Shit don't work. Read a fucking book.

On the other hand, /sub/chapotraphouse, a bastion of democratic socialism and a group of people who despise the centre and centre-left for creating the modern hellscape that is the present (if you ignore the literally highest quality of life history has ever seen) while also despising much of the far-left for having "bad praxis". What is "praxis"? Well, in short, it's how you go about implementing your theory and start changing the politics of society around you.

How, then, has /sub/chapotraphouse decided to go about praxis? Well, they have decided to donate over a million dollars a month to a group of spoiled soyboys. This is despite these soyboys producing nothing of worth, except a substandard podcast that consists of people who really aren't that smart talking about things they really don't know much about, and still isn't as funny as cumtown. So basically, /sub/chapotraphouse aren't just hypocrites, they're also disproving the labour theory of value. Really makes you think.

CLICK HERE TO BE A GREEDY, SELFISH, PIG AND DONATE TO SAVE AFRICAN LIVES

It is a podcast with lame and unfunny socialist jokes. The ironic part is that the podcast is beyond a paywall, and generates over a million dollars to support the luxurious life style of the guys doing the podcast.

/sub/LateStageCapitalism's reasons for not joining the charity drive

/r/LateStageCapitalism's reasons for not joining the charity drive

Broke: killing bourgeois parasites

Woke: killing actual parasites

"If we make the poor suffer even more by making the world an even worse place for them, maybe they'll revolt against capitalism and we can manipulate them into being foot soldiers in our revolutionary army."

Accelerationism for middle class suburban white kids

Okay, I posted a meme comment further down, but the more I think about this the less sense it makes.

The argument is that charity is bad because it alleviates suffering caused by capitalism, prolonging the time before the eventual socialist revolution which will make everything slightly better. Okay.

But these are poor kids in Africa literally dying of Malaria because they can't afford mosquito nets. These people aren't teetering on the edge wondering whether their life situation really is that bad. Most of the time, they're not gonna be disenfranchised industrial workers alienated from the fruits of their labor. We're talking people who every day risk dying because they can't afford basic safety, and who need to spend their effort actually staying alive. At some point, people are in such a poor condition that they don't have the ability to organize into any sort of rebellion without outside help. Even if they tried, they're in no position to do anything about it. There's a reason Marx didn't suggest we'd skip directly from the stone age to communist utopia. In short, these are not the people you'd want to target with accelerationism.

A personal choice not to donate to this charity is one thing. There are many charities, and people have limited money. But to try to paint the effort to help in this particular situation as an evil plot to prop up capitalism is just straight out wrong. You're not helping Walmart pay lower wages or Republistate placate the masses with a minimum wage - all you're doing is letting random children, who might never interact directly with global capitalism, die of a preventable disease. This only makes sense if you have a categorical aversion to charity itself - not because it alleviates the symptoms of late stage capitalism, because this particular cause hardly does, but because you ideologically think voluntarily helping sick kids is wrong. Feel free not to donate money to me when I'm fired from my job and have to beg in the streets in Europe. I wouldn't like that, but there's the conceivable option that it might push me over the edge and make me join the local communist action group. Some kid who gets malaria won't - they'll just die. Their parents won't - they're already suffering from enough poverty that they can't afford to keep themselves or their children alive, they're beyond that limit already. Maybe, possibly, some people in a better life situation will hear about lots of poor people dying and decide that something needs to be done about it. But this means you're literally having millions of actually poor people in Africa killed off in the hopes that some pro-capitalist Westerner will take pity on them and decide to join your cause. And even that won't happen, because the first thing anyone who cares is going to do is to try to look at who's helping - and that'll be everyone but you.

Not donating is one thing. Most of us don't, most of the time. But don't you dare say that saving the life of actual living people is something to look down on. I don't know how you can possibly look yourself in the mirror and tell yourself that by telling your comerades not do donate, you're achieving some moral victory.

Pity enough none of you will ever read this, and if I'd post anything like this in your subreddits I'd be banned. Blindfolds and earplugs are really good when you want to avoid noticing what you're actually saying. If you do read this - I hope you realise that in painting helping dying children as a thing contrary to socialism, you're actually doing reverse accelerationism.

Imagine being a single mother in a poor country. Two of your children have died to malaria. Then one day, someone walks over and hands you a mosquito net. Tears in your eyes, you ask why.

"This was donated to you by the Online Socialist Initiative."

But no. You literally tell your friends that it's better to let the remaining children die in the hopes that someone else in another country might think of capitalism in slightly more negative terms, and from there somehow choose to support the only people who did even less.

F* you.

Malaria is a literal parasite.

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