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My trans brother and supportive dad in downtown SLC marching for equality at TSCC.

My trans brother and supportive dad in downtown SLC marching for equality at TSCC.

What a good father.

I'm kind of going through that as a father. My pre-teen daughter feels like a boy and even has a fun boy nickname for herself. I'm not ready to encourage this identity because I believe she's still figuring out who she is. She's feminine, she mostly acts like a woman. She may have some feelings for girls but she also crushes on boys.

I must admit, as a straight heterosexual man, I also went through crushes on everybody because my body and mind was changing via puberty.

So I'm in a position where I don't want to "persecute" her but I do want her to grow as a man/woman to her/his fullest. Tricky.

It's so much easier saying, "You're a girl goddamnit. This is how you should behave." Anyway, I'm learning something good and new each day, and I hope to provide a safe and happy environment for all family members.

Let me know if you want/need some resources for parents as you move forward. These are largely unchartered waters for most people and it is perfectly normal to be nervous and a bit afraid moving forward.

Trust your child. Please trust them. It is a matter of survival for trans and gender non-conforming children.

Much love to you dad.

Good call there. My dad did the same. At the start he was navigating uncharted territory very careful as to not to support or encourage behavior which she (now he) might not have actually had. Never been there myself but I assume that you should educate yourself plenty on the signs of a teenager in or coming out of the closet. My dad crossed a threshold in which he knew it was time to stop speculating and time to start supporting and helping. That came when my sibling became very depressed and withdrawn.

Yaassssss. Give him a big hug from me!!!! Dad too!!!!!

I look forward to seeing you guys in July in SLC!!! xoxoxoxxoxo

I just read the CES letter for the first time.

I just read the CES letter for the first time.

I haven’t believed in the church for a few years now - I stopped actively believing as soon as I realized that I was a lesbian. However, because of finding this page, I discovered the CES letter and I couldn’t believe the things that were in there.

For the first time in my life, I feel so validated for leaving the church. I now real have reasons to believe that it isn’t true - besides just my sexuality and the fact that I never want to marry a man.

I don’t know if anyone else has felt this, but the surety that comes with knowing I’m not disobeying “the one true church” has brought me so much clarity and peace in the turmoil of arguing with my parents, family, and myself about the church.

I just wanted to thank everyone here for existing - this sub has brought me one step closer to being fully comfortable with my own beliefs.

Thanks for sharing. Wishing you a wonderful life of freedom.

Welcome to the world of truth and light!

Thanks for the CES letter.

Always comforting to know you’re the sane one after all, not the crazy one!

Greetings from outside a family members wedding

Greetings from outside a family members wedding

Hey, families are together forever. That's why they have to be broken up for weddings.

Come on...touch it!

Let's see, that looks like one of the medium-sized temples, similar to Monterrey, Mexico. Glad you're not "worthy" to go inside!

White shirt?!?!

When brain processing declines....

When brain processing declines....

Allowing someone else to make decisions for you and believing in an imaginary friend is cutting down your brain power. When processing declines you think slower and remember less. Decline in the brain chemical production causes brain cell death. Fewer neurons mean an additional decrease in the capacity to retain information. That's a proven fact! Science!

The only thing nuttier than Mormon theology is what passes for normal where Christianity in 2018 America is concerned.

What's so logical about a god sacrificing himself to himself to circumvent a rule that he instituted himself?

Do you have any evidence you have a soul? What makes you so sure you have one?

I don't know if God exists. Or angels. Or ghosts. Or souls. Or miracles. Or witchcraft. Or anything supernatural. Because if the supernatural exists, by definition it cannot be proven through natural means. And if there isn't any evidence, why should I believe in it? Why make stuff up when, "I don't know," is a perfectly acceptable answer?

Love how the Book of Mormon is full of boring narratives and fluff but when Jesus visits them and he taught the most amazing things suddenly it's "cannot be written in this book" and "was about to write them but the Lord forbade it"

Love how the Book of Mormon is full of boring narratives and fluff but when Jesus visits them and he taught the most amazing things suddenly it's "cannot be written in this book" and "was about to write them but the Lord forbade it"

the church uses the same tactics now to respond to tough questions with:

we don't have time in this meeting to respond to all the questions (or Bednar's classic move "I won't answer stupid questions") we know amazing stuff but it's too sacred or we're not allowed to reveal because you need more faith

This con is so pathetic...

This is not the greatest song in the world.

No, this is just a tribute.

Couldn't remember the greatest song in the world.

No, this is just a tribute.

We really did fall for some stupid shit, didn’t we? This is the best point ever.

Exactly. Facsimile 2 from the BoA:

Fig. 8. Contains writings that cannot be revealed unto the world; but is to be had in the Holy Temple of God.

Fig. 9. Ought not to be revealed at the present time.

Fig. 10. Also.

Fig. 11. Also. If the world can find out these numbers, so let it be. Amen.

Figures 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, and 21 will be given in the own due time of the Lord.

Too bad that the world has figured out “these numbers,” and it proves that Smith Jr was a fraud.

Disagree. Once we were informed, we were gone. Bad on those who fooled us. Being here is proof we were not. Edit, drop

Just have to say...

Just have to say...

Man, I just checked out /sub/lds for shits and giggles. I was instantly reminded of exactly how miserable I was for the first 20 years of my life. I am so glad I got tfo and don't have to listen to that bs anymore!! Life is sooo much more enjoyable w/o tscc trying to control every aspect of it. Happy Tuesday fellow heathens, that is all!

Omg... echoed right from my thoughts!!

I really do try to be friendly when I visit /sub/lds. They are well meaning and are dealing with many real challenges. But the complications in the lives from the institutional LDS church are plainly evident.

BYU PD was in court today arguing that they shouldn't be subject to public records laws (like GRAMA) on the grounds that they aren't a governmental agency, despite operating with full State authority (including lethal force). Fortunately, it sounds like the judge was having none of it.

BYU PD was in court today arguing that they shouldn't be subject to public records laws (like GRA...

This is some horsepucky if I've ever seen it. BYU PD literally argued their way out of another lawsuit by claiming they ARE a governmental agency. Now, when the records might embarrass the church, they've switched sides and are arguing the exact opposite. (see https://www.sltrib.com/news/crime/2016/07/31/salt-lake-tribune-sues-says-byu-police-should-have-t...)

How on earth it ever became ok for a church to run a police department is beyond me. This really should end.

Judge Scott's ruling is due in June or July.

Tagging /u/FearlessFixxer and /u/PrivacyPPratt because it may affect y'all's efforts to get BYUPD recordings.

Edit: Added source for lawsuit where BYU PD claimed they are a governmental entity.

From the article:

In questioning Sandberg (BYU PD's attorney), Judge Scott said it appeared BYU “wanted it both ways.”

“Isn’t this a definition that cuts both ways?” Scott questioned Sandberg. “When you don’t want to release records, you’re not a government entity … can you really have it both ways?”

BYU Police doesn’t need state authority, it has the Priesthood authority. By the power of the Melchizedek priesthood, which I hold, you’re under arrest.

It sounds like there is a high likelihood that the pieces of that police report and recorded interview are eventually going to make their way out. The longer the BYU police department resists this, the longer the news story is going to be.

That said, I'm sure their desperation to keep all of the horrible revelations from the public eye are the motivation for their long push against this.

When Mormons do good, it's "by their fruits ye shall know them." When there's some shady criminal stuff going on it's "well the church is perfect but the people aren't."

When Mormons do good, it's "by their fruits ye shall know them." When there's some shady criminal stuff going on it's "well the church is perfect but the people aren't."

So which is it?

Yes! I hate this double standard even within the definition of their standards. Makes no sense.

Let's make a list of double standards and weasel phrases:

The church is perfect, the people aren't He was speaking as a man God reveals line upon line A prophet is a prophet only when he was acting as such For reasons which we believe are known to God, but which He has not made fully known to man One day He will fix it, but He hasn't told us when Continuous Revelation

Crap, I'm tired of this list already

Most other religions weren't started in 1830 claiming to be the original religion of Jesus, restored to the earth to correct the mistakes of all other religions.

Stands to reason that the church was built on the backs of imperfect people, so the church isn't perfect!

Enjoying our mother’s day dinner on this fine second saturday.

Enjoying our mother’s day dinner on this fine second saturday.

It was quite nice in my Moscow Mule!

The Vodka or the wives?

That looks very desirable

I love Five Wives. Better than most top shelf brands IMO.

Try one of these subthreads