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Runner's comment on the difficulties Korean Contenders teams are facing

Runner's comment on the difficulties Korean Contenders teams are facing

Currently there are rumors circling around in the KR community that Lunatic Hai is disbanding. They already withdrew from Team Story and there's going to be an official statement this week. In regards to this, yesterday on his stream, Runner talked about the difficulties Korean teams are facing right now.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/218781700?t=16m31s

Here's a summary of his comments.

"I know there are rumors of some teams disbanding. To be honest, Korean Contenders teams are in a tough spot. All teams are struggling financially. Runaway is losing money. Runaway is a popular team, but even we're losing money. Other teams would be in a worse situation. It's tough.

Blizzard should know this: Focusing on OWL is okay, but in order for it to succeed, Contenders should be stable. Contenders should be the groundwork for OWL. If Contenders teams disband and go away one by one, OWL can't survive. There should be an active T2 tournament scene for new talents and star players to appear. Without Contenders, that can't happen.

I understand Blizzard's position. They prepared something huge with millions invested from billionaires. So they're all focused on OWL. I understand that. OWL is a very important project to Blizzard. It can't fail. I know. Still they should care about the T2 scene too.

From a team owner's perspective, things are not going well. That's why many team owners are upset. Runaway is a bit unique because I made Runaway as sort of a hobby, because I was passionate about Overwatch. I can take some losses. To a certain point, of course. For other teams, however, this is a business. Of course they also have passions and dreams, but for them profit has to come first. Esports is a business after all. Teams can't keep operating with heavy financial losses.

As someone who loves Overwatch and is passionate about the game, I hope everything goes well, both OWL and Contenders. But things are hard for many Contenders teams. I know that because I'm not in a good situation myself. I keep telling Runaway fans not to worry but... You don't have to worry now, but anything can happen in the future. The situation doesn't look good. I'll try my best, but you never know."

 

Based on Runner's comments, things are not looking too bright for the Korean Overwatch scene. The game's popularity is at its lowest point ever, sponsors and team owners are backing out, and there are no major tournaments until March. Even when the new Contenders season kicks off, the prize pool is only 1/3 of APEX and there are longer intervals between seasons. I hope Blizzard comes up with a more sustainable model for T2 teams before it's too late.

Edit: I had the wrong information about the prize pool. It's roughly the same amount as APEX according to Liquipedia.

I'm worried Blizzard didn't spend enough time developing a scene that can feed into OWL. They went straight for the big money and now the orgs that can't participate are dropping their teams and moving on.

blizzard fucking up OGN and korea is such bullshit man

This has been my concern for months, just look at how many western esports orgs dropped their teams last year because there was so much uncertainty about what the second tier of Overwatch would look like.

Cant dominate OWL if you kill their talent pool.

Fleta has the best widow performance ever recorded in a pro match on Winston's Lab

Fleta has the best widow performance ever recorded in a pro match on Winston's Lab

That's what happens when you train 1v11 for a year.

little known fact; the hole on ilios well was actually formed by the impact from fleta unstrapping his ankle weights

2 of the top five performances ever... And he did it in a weekend. This guy is a god, and it's only the tip of the iceberg. We will be naming awards after this guy.

Whoa there, take it easy lmao

(Video) Duo-Que Throwers ruining the MM experience

(Video) Duo-Que Throwers ruining the MM experience

I don't know, I reported notorious wintraders and throwers months ago, most are still running amok here in SEA LUL

This will get removed for witch hunting. Rules can be dumb af.

Didn't matter if screenshot proof was provided, no action was taken.

Your account is suspect as fuck.

Lunatic-Hai will no longer be participating in Overwatch Team Story. Meta Bellum has been invited to take their place in Group A.

Lunatic-Hai will no longer be participating in Overwatch Team Story. Meta Bellum has been invited...
Translation by u/biomechas

Also, we have received sudden notice from Lunatic-Hai that they will not be able to participate in OTS due to personal reasons. We have extended an invitation to another Korean team, Meta Bellum, and have received a response. They will take the place of Lunatic-Hai in group A

Update:
Lunatic-Hai vague official announcement of an announcement.

Tried to translate the best that I could



Hello. This is Lunatic-Hai.

First, I’m truly sorry for failing to give all the fans an announcement sooner.

Currently, we are in the middle of internal negotiations and will try to let you know within the week as soon as our position is sorted out.

I understand that all the fans are feeling anxious and worried about the current situation. But, we want to be careful in telling the details so we ask for your understand the delaying of our announcement.

Once again, I apologize for the delayed announcement.
Thank you.

-Lunatic-Hai Head Coach Kim Taesu-

Translation by u/biomechas

Also, we have received sudden notice from Lunatic-Hai that they will not be able to participate in OTS due to personal reasons. We have extended an invitation to another Korean team, Meta Bellum, and have received a response. They will take the place of Lunatic-Hai in group A

Update:

Tried to translate the best that I could

Hello. This is Lunatic-Hai.

First, I’m truly sorry for failing to give all the fans an announcement sooner.

Currently, we are in the middle of internal negotiations and will try to let you know within the week as soon as our position is sorted out.

I understand that all the fans are feeling anxious and worried about the current situation. But, we want to be careful in telling the details so we ask for your understand the delaying of our announcement.

Once again, I apologize for the delayed announcement. Thank you.

-Lunatic-Hai Head Coach Kim Taesu-

If they're getting Bellum and not Athena the higher-profile teams probably couldn't commit this spontaneously

Uh oh.

Feels like LH is falling apart. Feelsbadman :(

I think Element Mystic would have been a better pick or Meta Athena than MB.

Wait I thought the LH team is doing quite well? What happened to them?

Week 2 Bingo Sheet!

Week 2 Bingo Sheet!

Casters try to hype up a boring match.

Florida-Shanghai is perfect for this. Someone has to win.

Free space should be "twitch chat spams kreygasm whenever soe is on screen"

Sorry I guess that should have been the free space.

Jjonak out damages dps and monte talks about apex

Kruise: "Can't find an org, pretty sad situation at the moment ... Scrims are scrims but we've not lost one in over three weeks." (more in the link)

Kruise: "Can't find an org, pretty sad situation at the moment ... Scrims are scrims but we've no...

This certainly didn't age well.

I knew this was coming haha, to be fair though those were different times when it was a lot easier, a lot has changed. OWL is out and the contenders contracts favour the OWL big time which causes a lot of hassle for owners of contenders teams. It's great for players for sure, but for teams not so much which is why I think you don't see loads of them rushing in for contenders.

I’m supporting Kruise and other contenders-hopeful players as much as anyone, but I understand the org perspective here. If I was going to pick up a Contenders teams, I would wait until after open division has finished, and pick up the winner from that, rather than supporting a team before they have won anything other than scrims.

Yeah

Seoul Dynasty - Game 1 VS Dallas Fuel Vlog

Seoul Dynasty - Game 1 VS Dallas Fuel Vlog
https://youtu.be/NkKAc33J6F4?t=200

Rofl, is Jehong looking at ghost vids on youtube?

I love the contrast of the taxi driver not knowing who they are, then the fans all screaming to them as they walk to the arena. It makes me remember how many people don’t know about Overwatch or esports in general.

I love Coach Hocury's passion. Hopefully he can help Miro and Kuki grow as tank players. Also, can we get more of these please? Tyvm.

Man how many couches do they have?? if only I was rich enough to have someone personally coach me like miro is getting coached.

On a side note, I WANT to be able to see that 6 camera feed and pick which player I observe. Also, amazing quality and content.

Don't make wild assumptions based on 1 week of OWL

Don't make wild assumptions based on 1 week of OWL

It might seem like a dumb post to make, because all of us should know that a sample size of 2 games don't really tell the real story at all of how strong or weak a team is. But I keep seeing people putting Dallas at the end of the table now, and LA Valiant even ahead of the Korean teams...

Again, they have played 2 single matches. That's it. The season is sooooooo incredibly long that these 2 matches don't indicate a whole lot. Korean teams for instance, even if the consensus is that they most likely be at the very top of the standing, in a season that long they will drop matches here and there, even against western teams. If that happens when they are already 12-1, so they go 12-2, nobody will lose their minds, because the sample size is already big enough to indicate that they are indeed a good team and they just had a bad day. Now, imagine however that they would have lost this first week of competition. Ending up 1-1. Everybody would be losing their minds, saying how overhyped that said team was, how blind the community is with koreans etc etc...

What I'm trying to say is that, we can obviously make guesses, but after 2 games, don't lose your mind. Don't sell out Dallas for example just because they went 0-2 the first week.

Ppl jump to conclusions very quick in sports too. You see patriots loose first two home games ppl calling Brady already out. That's just how it is but Koreans are fucking strong not saying western can't beat them but they have to step up

This is just how sports work. I appreciate your good intentions, but it's really not a big deal. Overreacting is basically half the fun.

Well the Korean thing is really based on more than just the first week. The narrative coming in was already favoring the Koreans.

I feel a lot of the Dallas/Valiant thing was due to contenders S1 skewing peoples perceptions coming into OWL. It made Envyus and therefore Dallas look way stronger than they are in peoples minds. While conversely with how poor Immortals and Rogue did it made Valiant look way weaker than they should have been considered. It's been talked about before how the results in Contenders S1 should have caveats due to what was going on the background with respect OWL.

The 4 - 0 score line of that Valiant and Dallas match also causes a perception issue when really the actual play (aside from that mental collapse on map 4) was way closer than the line indicated.

Really a best of Immortals/Rogue fuse (I think Akm is a very strong player but in terms of meta fit it's Soon and Unkoe you want to have. Agilities and Silkthread is a better DPS pairing for Soon given composition requirements) is very strong and solves a lot of issues the teams had individually. Seoul was already being favored to win the league. Going 0 - 2 (aside from the mentality issue which has been a persistent concern) is not the huge flub it seems.

WOW! What an amazing week!

WOW! What an amazing week!

I just wanted to say that I am not disappointed at all with the Overwatch League. The arena is beautiful, the casters have great chemistry, and the matches are well-fought. However, I have one gripe.

The map variety, or lack thereof. The same (7?) maps were played all week. It got kind of repetitive. If the map pool changes every week, I’d be okay with that. I’m sure that other people can agree with me.

Thank you for this amazing production Blizzard! I look forward to seeing just how big this become one day.

4 MORE WEEKS OF JUNKERTOWN LOL

I hate Junkertown and HLC. By the end of today I was already getting tired of it.

If the map pools don't change every week, It's going to turn me off real fast.

I think its a 8 map pool for each stage (5 weeks)

[Spoiler] NYXL Jjonak's ridiculous Zenyatta stats vs. Houston Outlaws

[Spoiler] NYXL Jjonak's ridiculous Zenyatta stats vs. Houston Outlaws

40k damage...

more damage then jake

He didn’t try to downplay him at all if you would have listened closely - he said he’s absolutely insane, but his sensitivity is so low that once you get straight on top of him you can run circles around him because of his sensitivity (900DPI @ 2 according to NYXL discord response) - but then added this happens once in a lifetime because you‘re mostly dead before you get the chance to get onto him

Dude, when Thorin asked Jake which players he thought were "gods", he immediately mentioned Jjonak

Try one of these subthreads