Democrats don't need 'A Better Deal.' They need Bernie Sanders.

Democrats don't need 'A Better Deal.' They need Bernie Sanders.
Democrats don't need 'A Better Deal.' They need Bernie Sanders.

I'm getting tired of the counterproductive rhetoric about this slogan. No one seems to have good reasons for disliking it other than a predisposition towards divisiveness. No one seems to have an alternative.

There is an apology here for the past, there is anti trust laws, single payer is on the table, there is a $15 minimum wage. This is literally what winning looks like. The kicker? The slogan was developed with help from Sanders staffers.

Edit: All of you who hate this post, you can't win without people like me, either, by the way. I'm the least of your "problems." It's time for this subreddit to stop listening to extremist angry voices and start developing a plan based on the reality of this situation. I will be continuing to do that, but more importantly, I encourage all of you who are disturbed by some of the outlandish replies to this comment to lift up your voices against the trolls and extremists who seek to destroy our movement from the inside. We will support you. Don't let them have this space.

I try to stay objective looking at the current zoo that is the 45th administration and rationalize that if Bernie had won, the repubs would stonewall him.

I try not to think about how Bernie + an enabling congress truly would be working toward an honest maga. Because thinking about what we could have had vs what we got is sickening.

But if he had won the primary it would have caused his supporters who stayed home for Hillary to vote for him would have also voted down the line for Democrats.

Hillary supporters are the "loyal dems" that would have fallen in line. Bernie was bringing in independents and young people that otherwise wouldn't have voted or might have voted Trump. They were never going to fall in line.

Universal health care would save $17 trillion

Universal health care would save $17 trillion
Universal health care would save $17 trillion

the problem is it won't make a shit ton of money for those who are already controlling the system thats in place..the same ones who are funding the politicians(all of them both democratic and republican) gonna be a along time before something that helps the average person, gets put in place....

Here's the author -

What’s the problem then?

The problem is that certain industries have very powerful lobbies. And these industries spend a lot of money on advertising to make sure that additional $17 trillion goes to them.

The corporate special interest group Foundation for Economic Freedom (FEE), a group that helped make Milton Friedman a name people recognize, used the exact same numbers we’ve been discussing to write “Bernie-Care Would Cost $32 Trillion, Twice What Sanders Claimed.”

You’re not going to believe this, but nowhere in the article do they mention that it would also save us $17 trillion over our current system. Instead they focus on how federal spending would increase.


You know why federal spending would increase? Because we wouldn’t be paying for insurance out of our own pockets. The reason for the increase is simply that private spending moves to public spending. As illustrated in the excerpt from the Urban Institute’s analysis of universal health care, roughly $22 trillion of private spending on health care moves to public spending. Overall, however, we’d spend $17 trillion less over 10 years and we could insure everyone.

The next time someone tells you we need to reform health care, show them how we could easily save $17 trillion if we just did what every other developed country in the world does when it comes to health care.

That line in the second to last paragraph, "..we'd spend $17 trillion less over 10 years and we could insure everyone"

Not only are these companies trying to make sure that extra money goes to them, they're preventing millions of people proper healthcare. It's morally indefensible.

$32 trillion. You may have seen this number in corporate media coverage and Republican propaganda. It’s the estimated cost of universal health care over a 10-year period.

It’s a big number—a big, scary number. So hacks like the editorial board at The Washington Post use it to scare people with titles like “Single-payer health care would have an astonishingly high price tag.”

Not just high—astonishingly high.

Of course what the editorial board of The Washington Post leaves out (though you think they’d know better) is any comparison to what we’re currently spending.

Compared to what we’re currently spending, universal health care or single-payer health care would save us $17 trillion over 10 years.

In order to demonstrate this, we just need a couple of numbers. The first number is how much we currently spend on health care per year.

National Healthcare Expenditure (NHE)

This is a number called the National Healthcare Expenditure (NHE). NHE measures everything we spend on health care — both public and private. In 2015, the NHE was $3.2 trillion or $9,990 per person per year.

That $9,990 per person makes us the most expensive healthcare system in the world. It was this way before the Affordable Care Act (ACA) as well. In 2013, the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) calculated the average worldwide healthcare spend per person at $3,453.

Back to our number: $3.2 trillion in 2015. It increased to $3.4 trillion in 2016.

Growth rate

As you can see, the amount of spending per year doesn’t stay the same. It grows on a yearly basis. So the second number we need is the growth rate.

According to the study titled “National Healthcare Expenditures, 2016-2025: Price Increases, Aging Push Sector to 20 Percent of Economy,” health care costs in the United States are estimated to grow at an average annual rate of 5.6 percent from 2016 to 2025.

If we apply this growth rate over 10 years, and add up the costs, our current healthcare system will cost $49 trillion.


$49 trillion (current system) — $32 trillion (single payer) = $17 trillion in savings.

Over a 10-year period, universal health care or a single-payer system would save $17 trillion.

Yes, you read that right … universal health care would cost $17 trillion less over 10 years. A universal health care system would save us $1.7 trillion a year.

He'll be back

He'll be back

Hindsight is 2020.

"Many are the strange chances of the world,"’ said Bernie, "and help oft shall come from the hands of the weak when the Wise falter."


"I wish it need not have happened in my time."

"So do I," said Bernie, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."


"You cannot pass," the establishment stood still, and a dead silence fell. "I am a servant of the people, wielder of democracy. You cannot pass. Corruption will not avail you, 'Repeal & Replace'. Go back to the oligarchs! You cannot pass."


"It is not our part to master all the tides of the world, but to do what is in us for the succour of those years wherein we are set, uprooting the evil in the fields that we know, so that those who live after may have clean earth to till. What weather they shall have is not ours to rule."


"I am looking for someone to share in an adventure that I am arranging."


It's an old story of hope and unity and empowerment that rings true and speaks to something base inside us: Prometheus, Jesus, Robin Hood etc. Be the hero of your own story, the inviter, the uniter, the fighter. Get people involved in this political revolution. Stand up & fight back. The path to 2020 always starts today and leads right through 2018. Bring who you can into this movement, do what you can, engagement is literally victory. That is the future I believe in.

Such a perfect slogan

This is a wise meme.

But remember that Gandalf didn't rule at the end of LotR. He instead guided another, largely unknown outcast to power.

And all the while trusting and empowering the smallest people, who were the real heroes of the story.

Al Gore Breaks With Democratic Party Leadership to Support Single-Payer Healthcare

Al Gore Breaks With Democratic Party Leadership to Support Single-Payer Healthcare

Where were all these mainstream democratic supporters of single payer during the election?

Listening to Hillary -> "It will never, ever, happen".

Or being healthcare lobbyists, like Howard Dean.

There should be a grassroots movement that EDUCATES people on what Single Payer is. Which means that there should be an actuarial and financial pitch and people should go out even in red countries and break it down for people whose only information source is Fox news. Not via the internet, not rehashing ideological point of views but rather a practical reasoning face to face of why collective bargaining, minimal bureaucracy and augmented preventive care are the decisive factors that make Single Payer the best option for most Americans.

Single payer is the only chance Democrats have if they want to win 2018 and beyond.

Write-in Berniecrat wins Democratic Primary for State House in New Hampshire by a margin of 86-14

Write-in Berniecrat wins Democratic Primary for State House in New Hampshire by a margin of 86-14
Write-in Berniecrat wins Democratic Primary for State House in New Hampshire by a margin of 86-14

just thumbed through his page, he's got some very reasonable stances, it's not surprising he won by such a margin, now we just need dozens/hundreds more like him

We need some down here in the South. Talking to my Trump voting dad and great uncles, they said they liked Bernie and would've likely voted for him instead. Liberal social policy won't work out down here in Tennessee, but economic policy still resonates with some of the older folks who remember their parents adoration of FDR.

So happy for Josh! Back in May Political Revolution knew Josh was the right candidate to carry the progressive torch. Josh worked hard everyday to reach out to the people of his district and spread his inclusive message.

Because of a late move within the district he is representing, he had to go without having his name on the Democrat ballot. His long days canvassing proved fruitful as he waged a successful write in challenge.

Join with us in our support of Josh has he moves on to the general election SEPTEMBER 5TH !

Let's give him a congratulatory donation

I'm from sc... lean more Republican but believe in democratic social issues. (Gay marriage, marijuana, you get the point) I didn't like Trump (hate him Now) but I hated Hillary more. I voted with my conscious and went 3rd party. Johnson was a idiot but at least he wasn't morally corrupt. I would've voted Bernie had he won.

Dem senator: ObamaCare repeal without replacement would be ‘humanitarian disaster’

Dem senator: ObamaCare repeal without replacement would be ‘humanitarian disaster’
Dem senator: ObamaCare repeal without replacement would be ‘humanitarian disaster’

Repealing the ACA without replacement would throw 32 million people off healthcare instead of the 24 million under the failed bill.

"humanitarian disaster" translates into "Republican Wetdream."

Time to tear out the jugular of this legislation.

My pool of 'them' is very small and consists of those in the way of humanity's progress.

No you will not harm my neighbors, my family, my friends, citizens all across the land. I stand between evil and the people, and encourage others to do the same. Stand up! March forward. This will not come to pass while we stand together. NOT. ON. OUR. WATCH!

As a young adult from Finland with FIN/USA citizenship, I am truly sorry for the state of your/our politics and government.

The Candidate Who Gives A Sh*t

The Candidate Who Gives A Sh*t
For example:

For example:

If Americans decided our president and not our political parties Bernie would be president right now

If Bernie wants progressive change he should speak up about the DNC Fraud Lawsuit and our rigged primaries. The above poll already shows that Americans are on board with single payer, criminal justice reform, ending the WoD, legalizing cannabis & hemp, going green, reduced foreign interventions & military spending, etc.

So we don't really need to push for policies... we already agree it seems. But it doesn't matter what our policy positions are if we can't influence politics.

Once we get fair elections we will get progressive policies, and that's probably why there has been a media blackout on the DNC Fraud Lawsuit. CNN, MSNBC, ABC, Fox News, none of them want single payer or progressive policies.

"The candidate who gives a shit about you"

The *80* House Democrats Currently NOT supporting HR676: Medicare For All

The *80* House Democrats Currently NOT supporting HR676: Medicare For All

California is so corrupted by Pelosi's ilk, no excuse to have neolibs representing a progressive state

you know what to do Berniecrats

The only one that matters in this list is Pelosi. Either she gets on board and brings 70 members with her or she has to be voted out of leadership. She is old guard and needs to wake up.

Ironically, Pelosi is also our biggest liability when it comes to attracting independent swing voters. So we’re not getting ANY benefits from having this neoliberal asshat in Congress.

How about an appropriately zealous attempt to purify the party?

Spotted in Portland

Spotted in Portland

Put a bird on it

You found a Bernie Sanders supporter here in PORTLAND OREGON???? NO WAY!

I love this idea. Homemade Bernie signs. Now they need policy toppers like 'sold' or 'reduced', but 'Medicare For All' etc.

That house is cute as hell

Try one of these subthreads