Your anger is totally justified. BUT DO NOT DIRECT IT TO PLAYERS WHO ARE ENJOYING THE GAME!

Your anger is totally justified. BUT DO NOT DIRECT IT TO PLAYERS WHO ARE ENJOYING THE GAME!

This is perhaps the worst part of any community on the internet, the mob mentality and the bandwagon way of acting that comes with it. Battlefront II is a hugely flawed game for reasons that, at this point, you all know. You're probably angry about it and it's probably totally understandable. I am too, don't you worry, this is not another post trying to justify microtransactions.

My issue is that this subreddit has, once again, turned into a place where only one mentality is allowed. Going in any other way will ensure you to get flooded with downvotes. This mentality is to hate on the game and going against it, actually playing it. You cannot do this. You cannot go and say to people who bought the game and actually having a good time with it that they're everything that's wrong with gaming and basically saying that they're selfish assholes for actually purchasing this game.

This is YOUR boycott. Not theirs. I'm still not sure if I want to get this game or not. Remember that underneath this whole P2W thing what many consider as a good game. Some people just don't care about those things. Some people just want to have fun in a modern Star Wars game. Some people just want to have fun and that's it. This subreddit never agreed upon anything. You decided to boycott, don't start and treat those who actually don't follow that as some kinds of traitors.

EA's practices with this game are questionable at best. You're angry? I am too. But keep that anger out of other's player faces. I'm getting tired of seeings downvotes flooding any kind of enjoyment of this game, of seeing people going agaisnt the people who actually bought this game. But you'll never see that if you browse this subreddit by "Top" or "Hot".

AGAIN: I understand the anger and I share it. Just aim towards the right target.

But also, on the other side of the story, please, stop pretending that this game is flawless and this subreddit is just haunted by a bunch of morons who decided that they wanted to get angry at something. Because their CRITICISM is more than valid. Quit calling 'criticism' hate.

You buy the game and have fun with it? Sure, why not. You buy lootcrates? Eeerh... ok, sure... But you buy this game and defend it to death like a corporate slave, prentending that it's flawless? Then yes, you're what's wrong with this industry.

The game itself is fantastic, so I can definitely see why some still want to play it regardless. But we still need to get the lootcrate issue fixed and we can turn it into a win-win situation for both parties:

Lootcrate solution - if you agree, let's try to push this to the developers:

https://www.reddit.com/sub/StarWarsBattlefront/comments/7cyiif/lootcrates_with_cosmetics_like_her...

Genuine debate is always valuable, it's when it descends to labels of "shill" & "bot" that it gets divisive and encourages people to pick sides. . . I enjoyed the beta and the 10hr trial but cancelled my pre-order due to E.A's greed. . . That said, I would never think any less of anyone who who is currently enjoying it. I'm happy to wait until the greed simmers down and the price drops for the game. If that takes a while...so be it

Someone commented on one of my posts telling me to kill myself for buying the game? Yeah good one, I’m not the enemy here, and you shouldn’t be telling people to kill themselves in the first place

Fuck that person. I am having so much fun playing

I’ve seen you posting this everywhere and it’s a nice idea but it would never work, Lucasfilm is way too anal about the way things look.

Tell me more about all of the Vader, Boba, Kylo, Bossk, Yoda, Rey, Finn, phasma, Maul, chewie, iden, and palpatine skins you would add.

And name more than 5 for Han, Luke, and lando

Only Leia would get a lot of skins.

Clone troopers could have markings but that’s only phase 2 which are only on two maps, droids dot have any, stormtroopers only have pauldron options and FO not even that. All you have is alien heads for rebel and resistance.

Lucasfilm would never allow things like KOTOR skins either. All they have to do is make credits 1/10 your score and the entire thing is fixed.

The sub HAS been overran by King Mob, certainly. Your post was rational, and much appreciated here!

I bought it because I always loved the series from the beginning, despite its issues. Sure, I'm not helping nearly as much as if I were to ask for a refund, but I will be adamant about not spending an extra cent. I just really want to enjoy Battlefront.

Unfortunately the problem isn’t just EA and Ubisoft and Activision and all those other dickheads who put microtransactions in full price games. It’s partially with consumers who give these companies money, and support, and defend them when they’ve done something unbelievably scummy. I have no trouble whatsoever with someone enjoying Star Wars Battlefront 2. Fair enough, it’s your opinion. But I do have a problem with people who defend microtransactions of any kind in full price games. Don’t brigade people for their opinions.

It does makes sense though. This microtransaction issue is a Battlefront II issue, sure, but it's mostly an industry-wide issue :/

You don't even need to say that, everyone fucking knows already. It's hilarious you'd do it in this thread.

I get the impression that there are a lot of people in this sub right now that are here because they hate micro transactions in full priced games and are trying to send some kind of a message to devs everywhere, and not here because they care about battlefront in particular.

The hate is justified but as usual with any kind of protest the hive is misguided. Actual gameplay is superb and I've had an absolute blast compared to BF2015. I wish there was actual discussion going on about the game. I have changes I'd like to see discussed and actual content features I'd like to see added. Loot crates suck and need a change but I been waiting a decade for a proper battlefront game and this happens smh

I keep reading this, and at first it made sense... but let's think about it logically. There was some customisation in Battlefront 2015 for both the rebels and imperials, so that's already been approved. That's already the majority of playable humanoids that could have customisation, with no further approval from Disney. And as for the prequel and sequel eras, there are plenty of variations on uniforms that they could adopt.

It's not like they're making up new looks from scratch; everything is being lifted directly from the films. Nobody's expecting EA to put Darth Maul in a leopard print bikini with neon lights and bright pink makeup; I think most of us simply expected basic variations, like Maul with his cloak on and hood up, or the orange pilot jumpsuit for rebel troops. Basic looks that already exist in films and EA aren't creating.

But did you kill yourself?

For real though this game is so amazing I might just die.

Yep same. I love the game despite the terrible and slow progression system. And I will never buy a single lootcrate because fuck that bullshit. Keep in mind that you can also boycott the game by refusing to give them money in other ways - no doubt their projected earnings expect a certain amount of lootcrate sales, and we can sure as hell prevent them from hitting those numbers.

One week, and a $40 price drop later...

Whaaat? Nooo!

First I've heard of this.

If that was the case, really hope they'd give the people who spent $60 something nice! Origin users could easily be refunded, but people who buy physical copies, not so much...

agreed they're supporting the company and the business practices. Its their right to spend their money how they want but they're still part of the problem.

Why, because he chose to spend his money differently than you? Grow up.

By all means buy the game but its really hard to hear you complain about the P2W aspect when your giving them money, I have no problem with people buying the game but the second they do and then complain about the problems they knew it had going into it your opinion loses a lot of value. Personally I am going to buy this, but not at launch definitely 1-2 months down the line when they nerf the worst P2W offenders.

You don't agree with the business practices but you still gave them your money. Players like you are the problem,

Kylo

Helmetless for the Force Awakens skin and helmeted for the Last Jedi skin.

Bossk

Clone Wars Bossk

Rey

Though it wouldn't make sense with the lightsaber, I'd really like the scavenger gear from the very beginning of TFA

Maul

Robo-legs, both the first ones after the spider legs and the normal legs. Also Star Wars Rebels skins.

chewie

C-3PO on back.

iden

Without spoilers, all of the ones that show up in the campaign.

Han

ANH and Stormtrooper, Hoth/After Hoth, RotJ, Force Awakens

Luke

Farmboy, Stormtrooper, Hoth, Bespin, RoTJ, Force Awakens/Last Jedi

lando

Bespin, Battle of Endor, Endor celebration (I think that's slightly different), Star Wars Rebels, Han Rescue

Clone Troopers only being on a few maps is fine. Droids have various colors that have shown up in The Clone Wars. There are other types of Stormtroopers they could use, and FO could have pauldrons too. Though they could always just exclude FO like they did with Bombers in Starfighter assault.

I'm really not

The only way they stop is if people stop buying games due to it. By still buying the game, you show that you are ok with the decision to include it.

I bet you've purchased games in the past that had loot crates in it

The only game I've played this year with loot crates is Guild Wars 2, and that game is fully free to play. I make the objective choice to not buy or give money to games that include this. I've specifically chosen to avoid playing Hearthstone, Overwatch, the CoD4 remake, and others due to MTX.

Adding to this, battlefront 2 has P2W MTX, which is by far worse than the cosmetic lootboxes which I think are absurd already.

I'll take a rough stab at this, but I doubt I could name a whole lot for any character really.

Okay here goes

Vader: 


Rebels Vader (This isn't a different suit obviously, just a stylization, but it's still different enough that it could be turned into a skin)
Damaged Suit (It might be a bit too different looking, but no denying it's a neat variation.)
No Helmet Vader (Might be a bit similar to the Damaged Suit variant, but perhaps it comes off as "cleaner")


Boba Fett:


Mandalorian Armor Variants (Doesn't have to be all of them, but there's enough different looking Mandalorian Armors out there that he could get one to tie back to his "roots")


Kylo Ren


TLJ Kylo (He has a different enough get-up from TFA that it could easily be it's own skin)
Perhaps a Young Jedi Ben Solo? Wouldn't be too outlandish


Rey


TLJ Rey (Similar to Kylo Ren, she has a different enough look in the next movie.)
Perhaps a Prequel Era robed Rey? Make her look like a traditional Jedi. 
You could be cheeky enough to giver her an Anakin/Luke outfit skin to parallel their protagonist status. Maybe Luke's farmboy clothes or Anakin's Jedi outfit. Probably a stretch, but her and other Sequel Heros/Villains will be stretching for skins anyway.


Finn


Stormtrooper Finn (This one will most likely cause some confusion because he'll look too much like other FO troopers, but it's an idea)
Black Under Suit (He looked pretty cool imo in the pure black undersuit the brief time he had it in TFA, could be neat)
Undercover Finn (Again, might make him look to similar to FO officer class, but still another idea)


Maul


Metal Legs Maul (It'll most likely change his silhouette way too much, but it looks pretty great when done properly.)
Proper Clone Wars Maul (This one looks more "normal" and could mesh very well.)
Rebels Darth Maul (Another pretty different looking skin)
Hooded Darth Maul (Give him back that sick hooded robe! A pretty under-used Maul, could be great)


Palpatine


The Senate (Looks suave, would fit perfectly imo)
Episode I Palpatine (Still looks pretty neat, actually different enough to warrant a skin)
Episode III Emperor (A more extravagant version of his Emperor Robes, definitely warrants a new skin separate from his OG robes)
Sentinel Droid (This ones a stretch, but in a way it's technically sorta Palpatine, but again it's far-reaching)
There's other variations you could do of course. Maybe Episode I Palpatine with his Sith Robes on sans Hood, it's still a look he would've had and would fit just fine.


Luke Skywalker

I was actually able to get more than 5! Not so much for Han though..anyway:


Promo Pic Luke (Never made it to the movies, but it's not a bad look)
Pilot Luke (Iconic Look, not much more needed to be said)
Farm Boy Luke (Another classic look for Luke, looks great and has Jedi qualities to it, would work fine).
Farm Boy Luke Coat (Not much different from Farm Boy Luke, but the poncho/coat is different enough to be a variant, I honestly like it a lot too)
TFA Master Luke (So now we're moving into the territory of this might as well be a whole different character but if they don't, then this would be awesome)
TLJ Luke (Looks awesome, commanding, badass.)
Empire Luke (Another Classic)
Hoth Luke (Pretty much an entirely different look from any of the others)


Clone Troopers

I disagree with Clone Troopers, they probably have the most potential for skins for anything in the game. 


Bunch of Skins
Few more example of more Skins
Some more cool dudes
Bunch of different looks from TCW show


And that's not even counting the Phase I Troopers, which the armor itself could be it's own skin, but they also of course come in a variety of different colors: Seen here


Obviously all the different armors are different types of troopers, but it depends on how much harm you think it'll cause to allow total player freedom to be any trooper they want no matter the class.


Storm Troopers

You're not wrong about Storm Troopers, they don't have nearly the customization option. BUT There's still nothing really wrong with just having skins of different pauldrons, color combinations etc. 

Also nothing wrong with having Alien Heads for Rebels and Resistance/New Republic. There's tons of different skins to be had there.

All in all I think the potential for skins is there, I really do. It doesn't have to be a massive amount, and they don't even have to be entirely different form one another. You could even add/remove components from some of these to make whole new slight variants (hooded Rey, Cloak-less Luke, Blood Stained Helmet Finn, Vader without Cape, list goes on and on and on)

I'll take a rough stab at this, but I doubt I could name a whole lot for any character really.

Okay here goes

Vader:

(This isn't a different suit obviously, just a stylization, but it's still different enough that it could be turned into a skin)

Damaged Suit (It might be a bit too different looking, but no denying it's a neat variation.)

No Helmet Vader (Might be a bit similar to the Damaged Suit variant, but perhaps it comes off as "cleaner")

Boba Fett:

Mandalorian Armor Variants (Doesn't have to be all of them, but there's enough different looking Mandalorian Armors out there that he could get one to tie back to his "roots")

Kylo Ren

TLJ Kylo (He has a different enough get-up from TFA that it could easily be it's own skin)

Perhaps a Young Jedi Ben Solo? Wouldn't be too outlandish

Rey

TLJ Rey (Similar to Kylo Ren, she has a different enough look in the next movie.)

Perhaps a Prequel Era robed Rey? Make her look like a traditional Jedi.

You could be cheeky enough to giver her an Anakin/Luke outfit skin to parallel their protagonist status. Maybe Luke's farmboy clothes or Anakin's Jedi outfit. Probably a stretch, but her and other Sequel Heros/Villains will be stretching for skins anyway.

Finn

Stormtrooper Finn (This one will most likely cause some confusion because he'll look too much like other FO troopers, but it's an idea)

Black Under Suit (He looked pretty cool imo in the pure black undersuit the brief time he had it in TFA, could be neat)

Undercover Finn (Again, might make him look to similar to FO officer class, but still another idea)

Maul

Metal Legs Maul (It'll most likely change his silhouette way too much, but it looks pretty great when done properly.)

Proper Clone Wars Maul (This one looks more "normal" and could mesh very well.)

Rebels Darth Maul (Another pretty different looking skin)

Hooded Darth Maul (Give him back that sick hooded robe! A pretty under-used Maul, could be great)

Palpatine

The Senate (Looks suave, would fit perfectly imo)

Episode I Palpatine (Still looks pretty neat, actually different enough to warrant a skin)

Episode III Emperor (A more extravagant version of his Emperor Robes, definitely warrants a new skin separate from his OG robes)

Sentinel Droid (This ones a stretch, but in a way it's technically sorta Palpatine, but again it's far-reaching)

There's other variations you could do of course. Maybe Episode I Palpatine with his Sith Robes on sans Hood, it's still a look he would've had and would fit just fine.

Luke Skywalker

I was actually able to get more than 5! Not so much for Han though..anyway:

Promo Pic Luke (Never made it to the movies, but it's not a bad look)

Pilot Luke (Iconic Look, not much more needed to be said)

Farm Boy Luke (Another classic look for Luke, looks great and has Jedi qualities to it, would work fine).

Farm Boy Luke Coat (Not much different from Farm Boy Luke, but the poncho/coat is different enough to be a variant, I honestly like it a lot too)

TFA Master Luke (So now we're moving into the territory of this might as well be a whole different character but if they don't, then this would be awesome)

TLJ Luke (Looks awesome, commanding, badass.)

Empire Luke (Another Classic)

Hoth Luke (Pretty much an entirely different look from any of the others)

Clone Troopers

I disagree with Clone Troopers, they probably have the most potential for skins for anything in the game.

Bunch of Skins

Few more example of more Skins

Some more cool dudes

Bunch of different looks from TCW show

And that's not even counting the Phase I Troopers, which the armor itself could be it's own skin, but they also of course come in a variety of different colors: Seen here

Obviously all the different armors are different types of troopers, but it depends on how much harm you think it'll cause to allow total player freedom to be any trooper they want no matter the class.

Storm Troopers

You're not wrong about Storm Troopers, they don't have nearly the customization option. BUT There's still nothing really wrong with just having skins of different pauldrons, color combinations etc.

Also nothing wrong with having Alien Heads for Rebels and Resistance/New Republic. There's tons of different skins to be had there.

All in all I think the potential for skins is there, I really do. It doesn't have to be a massive amount, and they don't even have to be entirely different form one another. You could even add/remove components from some of these to make whole new slight variants (hooded Rey, Cloak-less Luke, Blood Stained Helmet Finn, Vader without Cape, list goes on and on and on)

I know. And LIKE I SAID:

But also, on the other side of the story, please, stop pretending that this game is flawless and this subreddit is just haunted by a bunch of morons who decided that they wanted to get angry at something. Because their CRITICISM is more than valid. Quit calling 'criticism' hate.

You buy the game and have fun with it? Sure, why not. You buy lootcrates? Eeerh... ok, sure... But you buy this game and defend it to death like a corporate slave, pretending that it's flawless? Then yes, you're what's wrong with this industry.

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Thank you for a great post. I absolutely love this game. The story is awesome, multiplayer is solid, and graphics are beautiful. Loot boxes are the issue not us. I was getting this game no matter what just because it's Star Wars and it has a new canon storyline. You deserve Reddit gold OP.

Yup, I told him as much!

Yes, I'm not going to force or stop someone from playing the game. And yes, people are allowed to buy and play the game if they want to. What they also need to realize is that they're still a part of the problem though.

As long as EA is getting money, they're winning.

I was getting this game no matter what just because it's Star Wars and it has a new canon storyline.

Just curious, is there actually anything that would prevent you from buying a new Star Wars game with a story? I'm not trying to personally attack anyone, but this just seems like the exact attitude that can lead to lower and lower quality games just because it has a certain license/IP... EA's wet dream.

I wish more people understood this. As fans we can ask for any kind of skins and cosmetics we want (hell, I want a Revan skin for Kylo Ren). That doesn't mean the Disney is going to approve of any of it. They are very strict about many aspects of Star Wars, especially how something looks.

I love a Star Wars game with a good story too. I was bummed that the previous Battlefront had zero story. I'll probably pick this one up too at some point in the future for the story, when it's heavily discounted. For how long I've heard the campaign takes to beat, the full $60 doesn't seem worth it to me personally (everyone's different, so I'm not judging if someone spends $60). So, we like the same aspects, this isn't about that.

I was legitimately trying to get a response (or defense) of the statement that is essentially "I'll buy anything that's Star Wars" because I think "I'll buy anything that's XYZ" is a naive justification for purchasing anything.

The customization only worked without classes now with classes the whole thing is muddied up you’d need skins for scout trooper, heavy, assault, and officer. For every faction, and how would you do that you have to get lucky enough to get one of five skins for one of 6 factions for one of 4 classes to get the one you want??? That’s insane odds not including emotes or hero skins or anything else.

That is totally uncalled for. Violence of any kind over a game is not acceptable. Buying the game while being aware of the situation is the same as condoning EAs practices and that is okay if you believe in them. Just like a lot of people wont buy from Wal-Mart or their "great value" brand, they don't want to condone those business' practices. Its the same for gaming. It does make you the enemy to some people because you are doing what they believe to be amoral. As long as you are happy with your beliefs, and support of EA, what other people think doesn't matter. That being said I personally don't understand why anyone would support or believe in EA but to each his own.

Tl;dr - death threats are never okay nor is any threat of violence. Also, in a capitalist society we voice our opinions with our wallets.

Buying the game doesn't = approving of EA's bullshit

Not only are you approving of EA's bullshit if you purchase the game, you are rewarding it.

Honestly, this game looks great, and it's been hard for me to resist buying it, so I don't begrudge you for purchasing it, but buying loot boxes (or anything for that matter) just to spite internet strangers is silly, no offense intended.

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