US to withdraw from UNESCO due to its anti-Israeli stances

US to withdraw from UNESCO due to its anti-Israeli stances

This really isn't just about Trump. There's a pretty long simmering thing going on between the US and UNESCO. Obama had previously cut off funding to them and UNESCO had stripped the US of it's vote.

So really, this move seems like more of a formality than anything.

I expect to find good and lively discussion in the thread, as it always the case when the topic is Israel and the Middle East.

We all love to hate on trump, but the USA were out of the UNESCO virutally for quite some years now. After loosing the right to vote on 2013, and Obama cutting all unesco funds in 2011, we can't really say thats it's all on trump.

His tweets are way more rude that obama's, but on the unesco point, trump and obama are following the same route.

You're only half right. Apparently there is some older laws that if the PLO is recognized by any part of the UN, the US drops funding. Not really an Obama decision.

According to this right wing website, Obama wanted to get back into it.

https://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/brett-schaefer/unesco-which-obama-wants-us-fund-calls-israel-o...

edit. From NYTimes https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/12/us/politics/trump-unesco-withdrawal.html

In 2011, the United States stopped funding Unesco due to what was then a forgotten, 15-year-old amendment mandating a complete cutoff of American financing to any United Nations agency that accepts Palestine as a full member. Various efforts by President Barack Obama to overturn the legal restriction narrowly failed in Congress, and the United States lost its vote at the organization after two years of nonpayment, in 2013. Unesco was dependent on the United States for 22 percent of its budget, then about $70 million a year.

So Obama didn't make the decision, but he did honestly try to get the funding back. Obama had nothing to do with the cut funding. Which is a fabrication. And I am tried of the Trump administration saying "Obama did it".

Also, thanks for the gold.

What you said wasnt wrong. But it could be seen to imply that Obama himself choose to do it. You say this predates Trump, but you fail to mention that it also predates Obama. So if people don't read past your comment, you are giving them half a story.

If Jews control the media then we have the worst PR people on the planet

You should have been here the first hour. A shit ton of people arguing that “Jews control the media” isn’t anti-semitism.

Don't really see how that is "half right." It is what Obama did. You're giving some context to the reasons for it... But the point is that there is a long simmering dispute between the US & UNESCO that predates Trump.

In July 2017 the 21-member UNESCO World Heritage Committee denied there are Jewish ties to Jerusalem.

They also did it in 2016.

Which is amazing because Jews were living in Jerusalem before Islam or Christianity were even religions.

So ya really gotta wonder about UNESCO.

Walk backwards for too long and you might trip over something you can't even see.

A nice summary from BBC:

November 1945: Unesco founded by 37 countries in the immediate aftermath of World War Two, its purpose "to contribute to peace and security by promoting collaboration among nations through education, science and culture".

1974: Congress suspends US contribution after Unesco criticises Israel and recognises the Palestinian Liberation Organisation (PLO) - but later rejoins.

1984: Under President Ronald Reagan, US withdraws from Unesco, saying the agency is politically leftwing and financially irresponsible.

1985: UK withdraws, rejoining under change of government in 1997.

2003: US rejoins under George W Bush.

2011: US withdraws funding in protest at Palestinian membership of UN; arrears begin to accumulate.

2017: US announces it will withdraw entirely; Israel says it will follow suit.

It’s a broader policy against UNESCO’s political activism lately. Other countries have cut funds as well, and there’s a reason why this is happening right during the time the Qatar candidate might win the election to become the head of UNESCO. I wouldn’t be surprised if gulf states also back this push.

Or best self-hating PR people.

It's all about spin.

Let's not forget about them declaring Western Wall an Islamic site.

So giving Israel 4-5 billion dollars a year despite the fact that it's actually illegal under US law to do so is perfectly fine, but UNESCO, man they gotta go?

What a load of bullshit.

For context, the US passed the "Arms Export Control Act" bill of 1976 stating we can't give aid to any country with nuclear weapons that's not a part of the nuclear non-proliferation treaty. Israel happens to fall under that exact definition.

However, because they've never publicly acknowledged their nukes, despite the fact that the US has known about their nuclear status for decades now, the US government has actually made it illegal to even talk about Israel as a nuclear power in order to shield them from this very law.

There's a court case happening over this but I doubt it'll get very far given how the US government seems to have no regard for their own laws when it suits them.

To sustain a policy of “nuclear ambiguity” on Israel’s weapons program, Smith says the government uses improper classification and threatens federal employees and researchers with prosecution, fines and imprisonment.

The gag is driven, according to the complaint, by a Department of Energy directive known as WNP-136, Foreign Nuclear Capabilities.

...

“This is an Energy Department directive that demands imprisonment for any federal official or contractor who even mentions that Israel might have a nuclear weapons program,” Smith said in an interview.

UNESCO has been going after every US ally lately. They pissed off Japan and Britain which have both cut funding to them. Did they actually expect that the US would remain once they became the official mouthpiece for the anti-American block?

Its not even about that. It's that I never see headlines that a country does something and a reasoning in the same headline.

If a country did something "-They did it!", if United States does something there is always hint of "-it wasn't us or just us."

Depends on the country I guess

For example our population is 96% white,

So to say white people “control” politics, media, industry etc... would be pretty accurate, but that’s more down to the ethnicity of the nation that some racist conspiracy

Edit: I’m Scottish

http://www.scotlandscensus.gov.uk/ethnicity-identity-language-and-religion

To help put things into context, when I was in secondary school, we would have had around 1,000 or so pupils.

During my time, We only had 1 black person in our school.

And I live in the largest city in the country

Would black people saying "White people control (politics, media, industry, etc)" be racism? I personally think it depends on context and intent but my point is that you can't have it both ways.

EDIT: I wasn't trying to derail the conversation by the way. Just pointing out that intent and context matter. Most people who bring up Jewish overrepresentation are doing so as a means to a racist end.

I think it's important to give some context to this decision.

The US was not a member of UNESCO for decades, after leaving in the 80's due to the organization's inherent anti US bias. The US rejoined UNESCO in 2002, in hopes that the bias has abated. Unfortunately that was not the case and the US cut all funding to UNESCO in 2011, and then lost all voting rights in the organization in 2013.

Since then the US was looking for a reason to withdraw from UNESCO, and it's recent string of anti-Israel/anti-Jewish decisions provided that reason.

The decisions included claiming that there is no connection between Judaism and the temple mount (which is the holiest place in the world for Judaism), as well as appointing a virulent Qatari antisemite as the next head of UNESCO (he compiled a poem book which contained antisemitic poems and quotes from holocaust deniers).

Edit: sources:

UNESCO votes: No connection between Temple Mount and Judaism

Ex-Qatari Minister, Who Wrote Preface to Antisemitic Book, Among Leading Candidates in Election C...

http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/10/11/u-s-to-pull-out-of-unesco-again/

The Ronald Reagan administration decided to withdraw from the organization in 1984, at the height of the Cold War, citing corruption and what it considered an ideological tilt toward the Soviet Union against the West. President George W. Bush rejoined the organization in 2002, claiming it had gotten its books an order and expunged some of its most virulent anti-Western and anti-Israel biases.

Well what were we supposed to do cut the budget down to 5 percent?

Six years ago, during Barak Obama's administration, the US cut more than $80 million of funding—a fifth of UNESCO's total budget—in response to the organization admitting the "State of Palestine" as member. The Obama administration claimed at the time the move had to be carried out due to laws prohibiting American funding of UN bodies recognizing a Palestinian state.

It's not the statement that Jews are very influential in the media that's anti-Semitic. I think that's a fairly objective statement.

Instead it's the insinuation that all Jews have conspiratorial motivations (that all Jews are in collusion to push a political agenda) solely because they are Jewish.

Note that Israel is a member of UNESCO...

Yes, very good. and Israel is threatening to withdraw.

Which is hypocritical as hell when the US cites one old law as an excuse to strip UNESCO funding while funding Israel at the same time.

The "Arms Export Control Act" bill of 1976 stipulates the US cannot give funding to any country with nukes whose not a part of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Israel directly falls under that category.

Israel gets 3-4 billion dollars a year annually, yet UNESCO's gotta go?

However, because they've never publicly acknowledged their nukes, despite the fact that the US has known about their nuclear status for decades now, the US government has actually made it illegal to even talk about Israel as a nuclear power in order to shield them from this very law.

There's a court case happening over this but I doubt it'll get very far given how the US government seems to have no regard for their own laws when it suits them.

To sustain a policy of “nuclear ambiguity” on Israel’s weapons program, Smith says the government uses improper classification and threatens federal employees and researchers with prosecution, fines and imprisonment.

The gag is driven, according to the complaint, by a Department of Energy directive known as WNP-136, Foreign Nuclear Capabilities.

...

“This is an Energy Department directive that demands imprisonment for any federal official or contractor who even mentions that Israel might have a nuclear weapons program,” Smith said in an interview.

I read the news article and all I get from that is that they used only one name for a (admittedly very important) single place in the city when they should have used two or more. I'm not sure how that alone is the same as denying all Jewish ties to the whole city, as you put it.

One of the leading candidates to become the new head of UNESCO is a complete anti-semite.

Most glaringly, an antisemitic book published in 2013 by Qatar’s Ministry of Culture — titled Jerusalem in the Eyes of the Poets — contains a preface written by Al-Kawari himself.

The book includes the statement, “The Jews control the media, newspapers, publishing houses in the United States and the West” — a calumny, Samuels said, reminiscent of the antisemitic invective of Joseph Goebbels, Nazi Germany’s propaganda minister.

https://www.algemeiner.com/2017/10/09/ex-qatari-minister-who-wrote-preface-to-antisemitic-book-am...

It's a Palestinian site because it's located in Palestine, that's all. "Birthplace of Jesus: Church of the Nativity and the Pilgrimage Route, Bethlehem" is also a Palestinian site, not because it's trying to steal it from Christians/make it Muslim but because that's just where it's located.

It's not transferring land, benefiting random other Arab countries or pretending the site has no connections to Judaism. This has been one of the most ridiculous criticisms I've ever seen of a UN body, I truly don't get it

That's a result of looking at America-centric media though. American media just reports every country does stuff without trying to understand why they do. When America does stuff, they try to analyse why they do it. They should analyse why everyone does stuff, but they don't, because most people are intellectually lazy and it's a lot easier to just hear "Foreign Country does X" rather than "Foreign Country does X in response to Country Y doing Z and ABC Historical and DEF Geopolitical Factors"

The Jews control Israel!


Most glaringly, an antisemitic book published in 2013 by Qatar’s Ministry of Culture — titled Jerusalem in the Eyes of the Poets — contains a preface written by Al-Kawari himself.


"Hm, interesting, let's google that."

Turns out the comment I'm replying to is pretty high on the list for results on "Jerusalem in the Eyes of the Poets"!

Results for "Mohammed Kujjah" are looking similar.



I'd reserve judgement until we get decent sources for these things.

These are the results for the sentence "The Jews control the media, newspapers, publishing houses in the United States and the West".



edit: /u/entropizer found the book in this comment here and gives more context to the statement.

This should be the direct link to the .pdf of the book, would be cool to get some more input on the translation from someone who speaks Arabic. The quote about Jews controlling the media is on page 34.

Here is the page where the .pdf can be found with some additional context.

Most glaringly, an antisemitic book published in 2013 by Qatar’s Ministry of Culture — titled Jerusalem in the Eyes of the Poets — contains a preface written by Al-Kawari himself.

"Hm, interesting, let's google that."

Turns out the comment I'm replying to !

Results for "Mohammed Kujjah" are looking similar.

I'd reserve judgement until we get decent sources for these things.

These are the results for the sentence "The Jews control the media, newspapers, publishing houses in the United States and the West".

edit: /u/entropizer found the book in this comment here and gives more context to the statement.

This should be the direct link to the .pdf of the book, would be cool to get some more input on the translation from someone who speaks Arabic. The quote about Jews controlling the media is on page 34.

Here is the page where the .pdf can be found with some additional context.

In UNESCO's defense, Hebron is in Palestinian territory. Israel doesn't get to claim it just because they want it. Colmcille was an Irish saint but that doesn't mean the Scottish island of Iona where he set up a monastery automatically becomes Irish territory. Netanyahu also seems to be conflating nationality with religion, asserting that a Jewish site is automatically an Israeli site.

I have no problem with Israel's right to exist but that doesn't mean it should get whatever it wants just because it wants it.

Unnamed Wealthy oil countries: "Death to America, death to the west, death to Israel!"

UNESCO: "These guys obviously are the only ones with ties to the holy lands-Puts away bundle of newly received money- I think they are fine and dandy"

Sane countries: "Uh... Bye"

What if they were both readying their internet fists, preparing to dive into a screaming match, but your comment made them feel awkward, causing them to refrain? "Can't scream at each other now, since /u/LetItDieBot had to go and make us out to be all nice and stuff!"

('Tis just a joke, by the way. I agree - respectful disagreement is always nice to see)

It's not free money, it's a loan.

The money is used 100% to buy American weapons.

Then saying black people kill more than whites also wouldnt be racist.

That alone isn't racist. It becomes racist if you were to make this statement and suggest the reason is because they're black. Because it's silly to suggest a causal relationship between melanin production and homicide, and neglects the myriad of other concomitant variables that lead to crime/homicide.

Uh ye, uh they are right!

Mohammed walked there one time I think..

-Mohammed never made it to Jerusalem-

His soul rose to heaven on the very spot the Jewish Temple used to be!!

Wasn't there the big "scandal" where they wrote the wailing wall has no Jewish heritage? And they pretended like the Temple Mount is only a Islamic site and not a Jewish one? They seem to be quite anti-Isreal and clearly following an agenda. Something they should not be doing.

Edited wrong word.

Of course. Here is a nice quote from that article

It led Israeli Education Minister Naftali Bennett to say Unesco was ignoring "thousands of years of Jewish ties to Jerusalem" and aiding "Islamist terror".

Who is Naftali Bennett?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naftali_Bennett#Israeli.E2.80.93Palestinian_conflict

"I will do everything in my power to make sure they never get a state."

 

In response to Israel's release of Palestinian prisoners in 2013, Bennett said Palestinian terrorists should be shot and is quoted to have said "I already killed lots of Arabs in my life, and there is absolutely no problem with that."[37] Bennett was widely condemned for these words,[38][39] though he denied these allegations and claimed he said that "terrorists should be killed if they pose an immediate life threat to our soldiers when in action."

 

In November 2016, following the election of Donald Trump as the President of the United States, Bennett maintained he saw this as hope that the two-state solution would no longer be considered viable, claiming "The era of the Palestinian state is over."

How about we admit there is no good side in the Israelo-Palestinian conflict.

I'm going o leave the political aspects of this to the other comments, but UNESCO is obviously an important organization. UNESCO's function over the years has been to keep international attention on education, providing data about education. "6 out of 10 Children and Adolescents Are Not Learning a Minium in Reading and Math" for example. BBC Brasil made an article about the statistics for Latin America & Brazil in portuguese (link).

Organizations like UNESCO are very important to developing nations. I know that the US already didn't give money to UNESCO, but this announcement means straining the relationship with UNESCO and the UN, and really, an statement against education, science, and culture.

We need to get our mothers on it. Then everyone will know:

"That's my son, the doctor. He also controls the media, you know. I said HE! CONTROLS! THE! MEDIA!"

given that the arab nations are in the midst of a diplomatic showdown with qatar i would be surprised if they did back them. iran is their only real ally in the region.

I wish more people would realize this about the United State's government, that It's mostly business as usual and no two administrations are that much different than the others. Yes there are areas where you'll see large changes in policies and priorities, tone in how they communicate, vitriol on which they go after issues, etc. By and large though, the wheel keeps spinning, there are over 20 million Federal and State employees, even more when you consider the millions that work mostly for the government contractually. All of those people don't just stop doing their job because the president now represents a different circus animal's party.

So many things that people either Bash or Praise trump for, are just continuation of Obama era policies and/or procedures, and much of those were continuations of things that began with Bush.

Trump sending planes to skim the north Korean border in a show of force!!! our foreign policy has a backbone now!!.... that shit's been going on for decades. Oh Trump's acting like an idiot for saying we would destory NK, Here's Obama saying we could do the same.

Oh Trumps evil for slapping tariffs on Bombardier, Obama slapped them on Chinese tire manufacturers, and his DOJ was looking at going after the middle east airlines when it was rumored they were looking to invest largely in US domestic commuter routes, as the companies are effectively state owned and funded.

Trump is a hero or villain for wanting to reform at the UN, Finally America is standing up and making others do their fair share and getting rid of the waste, or It's america turning it's back on the rest of the world right. Yeah, Obama basically tried to do the same stuff trump is in regards to the UN. It's far from some new issue that came about just because of Turmp.

The music keeps going regardless of who is in the white house, the president will do some shit you love, and some shit you hate, and the majority of it will be nothing but business as usual that you never really notice. And if we're lucky they will have a handful of major legislative achievements, that get so watered down that they never work as intended. And don't worry, regardless of if it's red or blue in the white house, both will manage to fuck up plenty of good stuff. Kennedy makes great achievements on many areas then gets shot, good thing we got this cold war thing to distract the American public while we undo most of his initiatives behind closed doors. Reagan focuses on tax reform and spending, good thing we got H.W. to raise taxes and clinton to set the acts into motion in the financail sector that leads to the recession, but hey here comes W Bush to finally reform taxes again, except he just kind of lowered them, and then blew up the budget with a trillion dollar war and used it to ignore the other fiscal reforms that were supposed to accompany the tax cuts.

Really activates your almonds, doesn't it?

The name of the city is very important and significant for both sides. They knew what they were doing.

Shh, don't reveal the secret, or the entire conspiracy will come unraveled!

Usually UNESCO refers to controversial sites with several names by all of their names, but in some cases when it comes to Israel/Palestine, it deliberately chooses to ignore the Jewish name and only use the Muslim name. It also claims some holy sites which are holy to both Jews and Muslims, have no connection to Judaism.

Scotland

To be fair, it was 98% white in 2001 according to the census

http://www.scotlandscensus.gov.uk/ethnicity-identity-language-and-religion

A loan implies being paid back. That's not happening here.

The money is 100% being taken out of taxpayer's pockets or as debt for future US taxpayers.

Even if a fraction is used to buy American weapons, that's just a handout of US taxpayer dollars to the military industrial complex, not to mention the utter contempt for the American people shown by the government by ignoring a US law passed through congress and the supposed will of the people.

By the way do you have a source that 100% of it is used to buy American weapons to begin with?

Basically, UNESCO used an Arabic name instead of the Hebrew name for the Temple Mount...and because of this, the right wing Israeli media decided this meant UNESCO was denying a Jewish connection altogether. The JPost link posted above was removed from this sub for being misleading. That being said -- UNESCO knew what it was doing by using an Arabic name instead of the Hebrew name, but that doesn't excuse the sensationalist headlines and comments that came as a result of the provocation.

Copying and pasting one of my other comments for simplicity:

The resolution specifically talks about damage to the physical mosque. Jews don't care about the mosque itself, they care about the ruins underneath.

To say that this resolution denies a Jewish connection to the Temple Mount is insane. Nowhere does it say that the Temple Mount isnt a Jewish holy site. They arent talking about who this site belongs to. It has nothing to do with the resolution. The resolution isnt about who owns anything or who should have access to what. Its simply condemning Israel preventing muslims from entering a site that is holy to them. There is nothing related to Jews here. UNESCO isnt worried about the Israeli government's treatment of Jews.

Your comment is a dash of fact with a tremendous amount of editorializing, and is in no way useful context.

The problem is that UNESCO is being used as a political weapon. What good is an organization that is meant to foster peace and understanding if it can be usurped and used for other purposes?

UNESCO needs to be reformed.

Israel just announced they are leaving UNESCO as well.

Link: https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/918514257355997185

I mean, they're not wrong.

East Jerusalem is international recognized as occupied territory

What is anti-Israel about declaring a site in a Palestinian city Palestinian?

2017 statement calling Israel "military occupier" of Jerusalem. Previous statement in 2015 erroneous claiming Israel prevent Palestinians from their heritage, since UNESCO felt access to shared sites should favor Palestinians.

The US automatically withdrew from UNESCO funding years ago after they recognized Palestine (consequence of treaties and previous agreements).

This continue pattern is seen and handled similarly by UK, Japan, and Israel who have all ceased funding.

Found it!

This was really hard work. Had to chain together string searches in Google to end up at the link, where a PDF of the book in question can be found. The accusations of anti-Semitism appear legit. There's more context given to the accusations in the link. The quote about Jews controlling the media is on page 34.

It's really interesting reading Al-Kawari's campaign statement in light of this. He talks about "the transition from the 'culture of secret information' to the 'culture of total transparency'", and says "infringing actions against the freedom of expression and access to information, attacks on journalists, creators and artists, both in conflict zones and elsewhere, remain too frequent – violations and attacks that often remain unpunished". I'm not normally a person to believe that multicultural values are being used as a Trojan horse, but in this case it really feels like it. If you believe that Jews control the media, and emphasize the need for punishment for those who infringe upon the freedom of expression of legitimate journalists, that sounds an awful lot like well-marketed censorship against Jews. It's at least dog-whistley, which still might not mean it's intended as a dog-whistle.

I find the comment alleging that it's suspicious only Jewish media sites were talking about the hard-to-find quotation to be wonderfully ironic. "You only believe this person is an anti-Semite because the Jewish media manufactured a story against them" trips a lot of alarm bells for me, personally.

Well, there was that bit where they declared The Wailing Wall to be a Palestinian heritage site.

No, the money comes attached with many things like allowing US military presence in of of the most critical zones in the world (US have 6 bases there) and the sharing of technology and intelligence, like the one when Israel hacked Kaspersky.

It's basically to secure the coordination with Israel.

I poked /sub/conspiracy with a stick the other day to try and figure out who the eponymous "they" were. Didn't take long for someone to drop some anti-Semitic nonsense that basically claimed "the Jews" were responsible for everything.

Can someone ELI5 USESCO's anti-Isreal stance?

It was actually that charging interest was against Christian values, so no Christians were moneylenders, but the Jewish people had no such restrictions.

That's why we all remember the events of 9/11 in New Amsterdam.

UNESCO has been known to be very anti US for decades. The US only rejoined UNESCO in 2002, after leaving in the 80's because of UNESCO's inherent anti American and anti western bias.

Good. Ever since it allowed Palestine as a member, UNESCO has been pushing through one anti-Israel resolution after another, year by year. The Palestinians bring something up to a vote, and every Muslim country outside of a few military allies of Israel vote in favor of it. The Temple Mount is the holiest site of Judaism that was desecrated by the Islamic occupiers that literally turned it into a garbage dump. Even today the Jewish people have to live with the insult of having the Jordanians rule over it, preventing Jews and Christians from worshiping there while allowing Muslims unfettered access.

And now here comes UNESCO, because even the thought that Jews might have a right to their holy site is unacceptable to some of its member states. I hope a Western country occupies the Mecca and prevents all faiths other than Christianity from praying there. See how they like that shit.

Furthermore, the Mecca also has metal detectors placed there to prevent terror. But Israel asking people to go through one before entering the site because a terror attack happened a few days before? Literally Apartheid. And speaking of apartheid, the Jewish people are asked to go through a metal detector when entering the site while Muslim worshipers today don't have to. That's two separate rules for two different people based on ethnicity and religion.

It's part of a historical slight against Jewish people, a long history of being labeled as the puppeteers of international issues ala "the protocols of the learned elders of Zion"

That makes no sense because Saudi Arabia is a de-facto ally of Israel today

Could you give me an example of their "political activism"?

It seems to me whenever they get attacked for being "political" it's just a situation where a controversial World Heritage site has two or more names because it is important to two different religious groups. UNESCO picks one name to refer to it by and everyone goes crazy for them not picking the other name.

Usually UNESCO refers to controversial sites with several names by all of their names, but in some cases when it comes to Israel/Palestine, it deliberately chooses to ignore the Jewish name and only use the Muslim name.

The only cases in which anything remotely like this has occurred is due to the way that UN formatting protocol dictates that, in situations where conflict exists/consensus does not exist, the name of a location given by the nation in which the site itself is located is to be used. Because, you know, these are legal documents, so it's only natural that their legal names under the jurisdiction that they technically fall under are used. This isn't something in any way specific to Israel and Palestine, it's how all such documents are formatted, and it's been that way since the establishment of UNESCO itself.

What's more, I actually have one of the specific UNESCO documents that I'm confident you're referring to right....

Contrary to your claim that UNESCO "deliberately chooses to ignore the Jewish name", I would point you to the following excerpt from that very document:

3. Affirming the importance of the Old City of Jerusalem and its Walls for the three monotheistic religions, also affirming that nothing in the current decision, which aims, inter alia, at the safeguarding of the cultural heritage of Palestine and the distinctive character of East Jerusalem, shall in any way affect the relevant Security Council and United Nations resolutions and decisions on the legal status of Palestine and Jerusalem, 16. Deplores the Israeli decision to approve a plan to build a two-line cable car system in East Jerusalem and the so called “Liba House” project in the Old City of Jerusalem as well as the construction of the so called “Kedem Center”, a visitor centre near the southern wall of the Al-Aqṣa Mosque/Al-Ḥaram Al-Sharif, the construction of the Strauss Building and the project of the elevator in Al-Buraq Plaza “Western Wall Plaza” and urges Israel, the occupying Power, to renounce the above-mentioned projects and to stop the construction works in conformity with its obligations under the relevant UNESCO conventions, resolutions and decisions; 19. Deprecates the continuing Israeli unilateral measures and decisions regarding the Ascent to the Mughrabi Gate, including the latest works conducted at the Mughrabi Gate entrance in February 2015, the instalment of an umbrella at that entrance as well as the enforced creation of a new Jewish prayer platform south of the Mughrabi Ascent in Al-Buraq Plaza “Western Wall Plaza”, and the removal of the Islamic remains at the site, and reaffirms that no Israeli unilateral measures, shall be taken in conformity with its status and obligations under the 1954 Hague Convention for the Protection of Cultural Property in the Event of Armed Conflict; 36. Shares the conviction affirmed by the international community that the two sites are of religious significance for Judaism, Christianity and Islam;

It also claims some holy sites which are holy to both Jews and Muslims, have no connection to Judaism.

I'd like to see a citation for your claim, please.

Good luck, something tells me you'll need it.

it's not really racist if it's true. white people do control those things, in general.

jews, however, do not control the media. well, maybe in israel they do.

UNESCO is composed of North African, Middle Eastern, and Central Asian countries most of all, but they didn't think about using UNESCO as a mouthpiece until Palestine was let in. U.S. cut funding. Palestine started pushing anti-Israel resolutions which were easily approved. The other third world nations in there thought it was a brilliant idea, anti-Japanese and anti-British resolutions were also easily approved.

It's more that UNESCO has an anti-western stance than anti-Israel stance. The reason it has an anti-Israel stance is because Palestine keeps drafting resolutions that there's no way the western block can approve 'cause the western block has nearly no presence there. Anything that serves the someone in the Muslim block's agenda gets approved.

Edit: Thought he was talking about the UNESCO committees for some reason. UNESCO itself houses almost all countries, but again, the Middle Eastern bloc has dispropritonate power due to the fact most western countries are not nearly so zealous as to test their relations with oil powers just for prostrating. I don't know why my commit received so many upvotes, as it was in reference to individual committees like the World Heritage site which is the committee that has an anti-Israel stance most of all. UNESCO, as a whole, haven't made any dramatic decisions against Israel other than introducing Palestine into the organization, which the U.S. responded to by cutting funding. Why they're leaving UNESCO itself now, is a good question, and a strange one that as Israel itself is a member.... but considering the U.S. was relieved of its voting power in 2013, the U.S. is more or less a ghost member of UNESCO, whose only reason for participation is directly receiving the results of sessions.

And yes, the U.N. itself has an anti-Israel bias (according to Israeli and the U.S.A, at least) which means that yes, if most of the U.N. General Assembly are members of UNESCO... then the same bias the General Assembly has against Israel, will be refelcted in UNESCO. Those who don't understand this aren't aware of the strained relationship for decades now Israel has with the U.N.

96% white? Which country are you referring to exactly?

And note, because there's always one smartass about it: Judaism prohibits moneylending, too, but only amongst Jews. A Jew can't charge interest against a Jew, but charging interest on a loan to a Gentile is A-OK.

This thread is going to be filled with people shitting on Trump and talking about how the USA is cutting costs in "important areas" but still spending a lot of money on their military, while being completely ignorant of the reason why the US is withdrawing from UNESCO, and the level of anti-semitism they endorse nowadays (or, much more likely, they support Arab anti-semitism).

It's happened before with Reagan in 1984, and the US only came back with George W. Bush in 2002.

They're lying. UNESCO has 195 members states and 10 associate members.

The founding members in 1946 were Australia, Belgium, Bolivia, Canada, China, Denmark, Dominic Republic, Egypt, France, Greece, Haiti, India, Lebanon, Mexico, New Zealand, Norway, Peru, Philippines, Poland, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Turkey, the United Kingdom, the United States, and Venezuela.

Japan got angry because UNESCO included the Nanjing Massacre as part of their "Memory of the World" program in 2015. Which, shut up, Japan. They cut funding in 2016 but are still members.

I have no idea what anti-British stuff they're referring to. The UK didn't approve of the New World Information and Communication order (which I don't completely understand), and they left in the 80s, along with the US and Singapore. They all later rejoined.

Actually, it's supposed to be the location of the "farthest mosque" where Muhammad dismounted his pegaman Buraq during his "Night Journey."

as well as appointing

UNESCO doesn't appoint anyone. The Director-General is chosen by member states who actually vote on it. If the US had any interest in changing the outcome of this vote they could have paid their owed money and lobbied for a different candidate.

Japan cut funding??? Damn, that's serious. Japan jizzes themselves over getting heritage sites. Fuck, they fought to get their "food culture" declared more special than other people's food culture.

You do realize its an ENGLISH TRANSLATION of the book title, right?

You searched English translation in english google.com site. You can't expect non english results for an arabic written title and book.

Can you explain what you mean by "inherent" bias? Why is it inherent?

Nope. Turkey is on board too, and with those two on your side you can be sure to have Russian and Chinese support too.

A True Scotsman absorbs his vitamin D out of the air. No True Scotsman needs sunlight.

Netanyahu also seems to be conflating nationality with religion

I can't comment on your other points but this right here is the bread and butter of Zionists; if you disagree you're either anti-Semitic or, and get this, a self-loathing Jew.

Paradoxically, as a result, being an actual orthodox practitioner of the religion correlates strongly with being classified a 'self-loathing Jew'. Oh well.

Nationalists are always either idiots or malicious, doesn't matter what brand of nationalism.

Most decisions in UN bodies are decided based on a simple majority vote. The largest voting block in the UN is the non aligned movement. It's mostly comprised of 3rd world countries, and the most powerful body within the NAM is the Arab league, which is somewhat anti American and virulently anti Israeli.

As a result, every anti Israel resolution in the UN is guaranteed to pass, and it results in the absurd situation where the UN has condemned Israel more times than all the other countries in the world combined.

Well, if or when Israel withdraws then the US could for example show solidarity by doing the same, fair enough.

But the way they are doing it now it rather seems like they picked a convenient excuse.

UNESCO was founded in the 40s, and like any major body that's been around for 70 years, it's been entangled in all sorts of stuff, swapped stances and staff, and it's pretty hard to quickly summarize anything about it.

In terms of this latest UNESCO issue, you'll have to draw your own conclusions about its partisanship. Here's what I understand to be the case:

After being a member since inception, the US withdrew in the 1984 over claims that the MacBride Report (again, draw your own conclusions, but the result of a commission that was ostensibly organized to improve access to media and improve reporting on the third world, and that the US alleged was an attack on freedom of the press). The Bush administration later announced they'd rejoin in 2002 and did so in 2003.

In 2011, UNESCO recognized Palestinian right to statehood, causing the US to withdraw funding from the organization per laws passed in 1990 and 1994.

In October 2016, UNESCO passed a resolution condemning Israel, and referring to the hilltop he's talking about by only it's Muslim name, which created a ton of backlash including from Ban Ki-Moon and Irina Bokova (who is, amusingly, the DG of UNESCO). Since that went over like a house on fire, they reviewed and wound up using much softer language two weeks later, but continued to refer to the hilltop only by its Muslim name. Israel alleges that UNESCO claims there is no connection between Judaism and the Temple Mount, but that specific language does not appear in the resolution, which you can read in it's entirety here. There's no question that the document isn't sympathetic to Israel; you'll have to determine for yourself to what degree the document's claims are warranted.

Anyway, as for the latest State Department decision, this administration is a bit of an oddball, but I'm equally surprised by the fact that the US stayed in UNESCO this whole time.

I hope a Western country occupies the Mecca and prevents all faiths other than Christianity from praying there. See how they like that shit.

I'm pretty sure this would result in instant WW3 all over the planet, no hyperbole.

I did not know about the uk one in 1985 and 1997, it kinda makes sense though given how uk politics was like back then with thatcher in 85 and Blair in 97

USA isnt paying for years. No money to be saved there:

Two years after they stopped paying their dues to UNESCO, US and Israel lost UNESCO voting rights in 2013 without losing the right to be elected (as a consequence, US was elected as a member of the Executive Board for the period 2016-2019)

Nothing is declared Jewish/Christian/Muslim/etc. when its declared a X Heritage Site, its the description that gives that kind information and everyone of these controversies I've seen have stem heavily from misunderstanding this.

As for the Wailing Wall, it's listed under Jerusalem (seperate category from Israel or Palestine) and here's its' description:

Old City of Jerusalem and its Walls

As a holy city for Judaism, Christianity and Islam, Jerusalem has always been of great symbolic importance. Among its 220 historic monuments, the Dome of the Rock stands out: built in the 7th century, it is decorated with beautiful geometric and floral motifs. It is recognized by all three religions as the site of Abraham's sacrifice. The Wailing Wall delimits the quarters of the different religious communities, while the Resurrection rotunda in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre houses Christ's tomb.

It doesn't claim anything as either Muslim or Jewish, just names the sites as their own thing (Dome of the Rock/Wailing Wall)

They weren't too happy about something related to the Nanjing Massacre. I mean, no surprises there.

EDIT: It's because they accepted Chinese documents to include them in the Memory of the World Register in 2015

Only because Scotland never sees the Sun! Anyone who lives there needs to enjoy vitamin D deficiency which probably explains the ratios :p

No they did not. That's bullshit.

What they did is use the Arab name instead of the Hebrew one, which was done in the context of Israel breaking UNESCO heritage agreements by illegally excavating the area. It was done to remind Israel they only have the legal power to excavate Jewish historical sites, not Islamic or Christian ones.

They never denied Jewish history and still have the site acknowledged as a place of Jewish heritage as well. UNESCO's position is treating it as a complex area containing Jewish, Islamic, and Christian heritage.

The goyim know... shut it down!

it's not really racist if it's true.

Then saying black people kill more than whites also wouldnt be racist.

Racism is an intent, whereas truth is an objective measure. They are independent, you can be any permutation of racist/not-racist and correct/incorrect.

I'm not sure how that alone is the same as denying all Jewish ties to the whole city, as you put it.

When you omit the names of places OLDER THAN Islam or Christianity you're omitting history. It's like denying the Great Wall of China exists.. and even has anything to do with China.

It's pretty odd to omit the names of places when you're the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization.

versus the billions of dollars we gave to Pakistan...you know the country that knowingly was hiding OBL.

My understanding is that the Obama administration took issue with it since it included all of Jerusalem. Effectively saying Israel was a military occupier of its own capital.

Edit: Yes I know. Jerusalem’s status is to be determined in international view. Clearly Israel sees it as its capital and that is the viewpoint I am trying to explain there.

...and that's where this comes from: a Jewish person could not charge interest to another Jewish person, but they could to a Gentile. So they set up a bank in a Christian/Muslim community, and everything's fine... except that if you claim to be Jewish, you get your loans interest-free.

This tended to cause resentment.

Interesting thing is, some Jewish bankers refused to lend money to Jewish people because of this double standard. And THIS meant that the Jewish people couldn't borrow money from the bank, and were being "discriminated against" because of Jewish law.

Messy, it is... this is why the US founding fathers called for the separation of church and state. Not that people who manage the state can't have religious convictions, but that the church institutions cannot dictate state decisions.

"... also serves as cost-saving measure .." oh well, this military thing is getting even more expensive and we already reduced education cost enough. Reduce international education cost!

Because lower education leads to foreign countries being more stable and helps building solid democracies, right?

Sure turned out great in the US.

Yea,whatever you want to disguise a cost cutting measure as, it is still a cost cutting measure.

Disgusting.

... and making them more independent from other countries, like the US-Empire!