US spies caught Russian officers bragging about causing chaos in the election 6 months before the vote

US spies caught Russian officers bragging about causing chaos in the election 6 months before the vote
US spies caught Russian officers bragging about causing chaos in the election 6 months before the...

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US spies caught a Russian military intelligence officer bragging about causing chaos in the upcoming US election six months before the vote, according to a new Time Magazine cover story by Massimo Calabresi.

Citing "Senior intelligence officials," Time reports that a Russian military officer with the GRU was caught speaking with a colleague saying that he would cause chaos in the upcoming American election as payback for what Hillary Clinton did to foment protests in Russia during her time as Secretary of State.

What the officer didn't know, senior intelligence officials tell TIME, was that U.S. spies were listening.

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as payback for what Hillary Clinton did to foment protests in Russia during her time as secretary of state

Does anyone have more information on this?

He holds her responsible for protests during his last election.

Politico coverage.

With the protesters accusing Putin of having rigged recent elections, the Russian leader pointed an angry finger at Clinton, who had issued a statement sharply critical of the voting results. “She said they were dishonest and unfair,” Putin fumed in public remarks, saying that Clinton gave “a signal” to demonstrators working “with the support of the U.S. State Department” to undermine his power. “We need to safeguard ourselves from this interference in our internal affairs,” Putin declared.

What the officer didn’t know, senior intelligence officials tell TIME, was that U.S. spies were listening. They wrote up the conversation and sent it back to analysts at headquarters, who turned it from raw intelligence into an official report and circulated it. But if the officer’s boast seems like a red flag now, at the time U.S. officials didn’t know what to make of it. “We didn’t really understand the context of it until much later,” says the senior intelligence official. Investigators now realize that the officer’s boast was the first indication U.S. spies had from their sources that Russia wasn’t just hacking email accounts to collect intelligence but was also considering interfering in the vote. Like much of America, many in the U.S. government hadn’t imagined the kind of influence operation that Russia was preparing to unleash on the 2016 election. Fewer still realized it had been five years in the making.

It's like no one is familiar with Aleksander Dugin.

He literally lays out the roadmap in Foundations of Geopolitics.

"In the United States:

Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States to fuel instability and separatism, for instance, provoke "Afro-American racists". Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics."

What the officer didn't know, senior intelligence officials tell TIME, was that U.S. spies were listening.

Not that it made any fucking difference, of course.

Good bot, well done.

T_D is quite literally part of a botnet controlled by Russian interests. The entire social engineering aspect of fucking with our elections is based around controlling commentary on the internet with anything related to US elections. Fake accounts that look real (or compromised accounts) They comment off a script that controls a narrative, then several hundred or thousand other accounts automatically upvote or like or engage that comment so it boils to the top and controls the conversation. Ingenious really.

EDIT: I GET IT. "BUT THE LEFTIES AND THE LIBTARDS DID IT!, CTR, SANDERS MEMES!" Probably! Welcome to 21st century guerrilla marketing. Both sides probably did it. Marketing departments do it to control brand (if they're smart and employ smart people.) So complain and cry about the "lefties" doing it because that somehow makes it okay that the T_D is by far the most annoying, most artificially upvoted and sparsely populated with commentary subreddit that has ever existed. I don't care about your politics, you're all just incredibly annoying. You complain about censorship and here you are, complaining, not getting deleted. You all remove any and all non-pro Trump commentary in your own sub, yet you claim to be proponents of freedom and liberty and all that. It's hilariously ironic.

Fewer still realized it had been five years in the making.

2 + 2 = 5 of course, but Trump did begin the process to trademark 'Make America Great Again' in November 2012.

I love this bit from his account of the decision

“I said, ‘That is so good.’ I wrote it down,” - well wouldn't want to risk not being able to remember it would you Donald!

If all she allegedly did was "give a signal" to protestors in Russia by making a public statement, then I wish the Russians would just stick to retaliating in kind and just giving public statements and letting others perceive it as a "signal"

The_Donald seems to be leaking into this subreddit today.

EDIT: This apparently triggered some cucks over at the Donald. Sorry.

If he forgot he could just look it up on Wikipedia:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Make_America_Great_Again

It was from Reagan

It's funny. When my very right-wing father found out I'm not conservative: Move to Russia! Go to Russia, you commie! Maybe you'd like to be a Russian instead?

The irony is completely lost on him.

Russians do it the Chicago way : " They pull a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue."

This happened due to them taking Crimea and starting a rebellion in SE Ukraine after she left office

Thanks! Great article summarizing the feud.

because our media intentionally divides us (political groups, race, gender, etc) to distract us while the global corporations and politicians slowly rob us blind of our money and freedoms, while everyone is too distracted with petty constructed social issues.

They're good bots, bront

I think that there's more to it than that. Russia benefits from a weak U.S. with a incompetent leader. It benefits from disunity in NATO and the EU. The whole shit show in the U.S. And UK is a win for Russia all around.

Well, it kinda does. If they know the US was listening, they could have staged a conversation to give misinformation. No boing that you are being recorded usually give more credibility to the statement made.

That was unnecessary, the DNC did that all by themselves

To be completely fair, sanctions didn't become serious until Russia rolled out their troops right after the Sochi Olympics. Even after their Georgia invasion, the USA did barely anything. People made fun of Mitt Romney when he said Russia was the biggest geopolitical foe.

Clinton encouraged protestors to take to the streets. That's not unreasonable for citizens fighting for their democracy. For some reason, Putin had it in his head that every protestor was paid by the CIA to uproot the government. He was totally spooked after the Arab Springs.

Why do Americans see things in terms of black and white (conservative vs liberals)?

So this whole thing has just been a big F U to Hillary this whole time because Putin felt wronged. This whole mockery of an administration has been a vengeful joke to him. I wish he could have helped take her down during the primaries, but I guess this is more devastating to her and America.

Revenge is a dish best served cold.

Crazy since US helping EU investigate Russia funding and interfere in thier politics some years back.

There's been reports of it since 2009

The long-term solution to this is sanctions; I know that the Russian people are not complicit in the actions of their Mafia-run government, but if they truly want to be a democracy, there must be pressure to remove Putin and his cronies.

People made fun of Mitt Romney when he said Russia was the biggest geopolitical foe.

Oh man, I just realized I was one of those people. I'm not sure how to process that information.

You can look at my post history, it is filled with furry shit and anti-Russian nonsense at times, just wanted to say this before I continue.

The Foundations of Geopolitics has not been read by heads of state, and Aleksander Dugin is not influential at all in the top Russian circles. If you asked a Russian living there, he would say that he either has heard of him, or that he is a crackpot.

Aleksander Dugin is against classical liberal ideas like independence and most of 'his ideas' are just what already Russia is doing on a minor scale, and has done since the early USSR.

https://www.reddit.com/sub/geopolitics/comments/5hlgck/the_foundations_of_geopolitics_the_geopoli... Here is a good thread about it, highly recommend reading some of the replies.

Another chunk of his ideology is just neo-fascism and 'Russia stronk' bullshit that not even really Russians believe unless they are paid to think that way, Russia is a third world shithole.

Seth Rich is really fucking sad, you know why? His parents are urging media and other shitholes like TD to not make up conspiracy theories regarding his death. And they still keep on doing it.

Just thinking about grieving old parents telling people to not add to their grief fucking breaks me.

These MAGA redhatters really need mental intervention, they have a history of making shit up and they openly call for genocide in the comments section when the title mentions anything about Muslims as well.

Since posting this comment, many MAGA Redhatters have sent messages on how they're not "Tricked by MSM's Muslim cucks like [me]". Thanks for the kind words.

When hasn't our government manipulated, interfered or otherwise bamboozled politics in too many other countries. That being said? This really SUCKS major.

I lol'd when I read that our spies 'didn't know what it all meant'...

Pay back is a real bitch.

And Dukat in DS9. He wanted to make Cardassia strong again.

Just playing the devils advocate here... but didn't our government try to influence their elections with NGOs and such (albeit not as directly subverting the process)?

Basically since Georgia they've been ramping up, and people still don't believe it.

I understand their reasons for not believing it, the shaken faith in well...everyone. It's just frustrating.

So it's Hillary's fault after all.

The long term solution could be admitting that USA doesn't have to be the sole and only supervisor of all the world's politics. Putin played the same politics-meddling game as US has been, and now the realization that payback points is a bitch should be starting to sink in.

I find the whole scenario highly ironic. US, responsible for meddling in soooo many foreign states has finally been bamboozled.

The internet giveth and the internet taketh.

I dont hate her because i realized the hate I had for her was because people told me I should hate her. Conservative talk radio, my parents, FOX news...then Bernie or busters, then trumpists.

fuck all of them.

Yep. Litteraly every person in the baltics, ukraine, belrussia, kasachstan, georgia, mongolia, usbekistan and a lot other countries know this shit.

In almost all of them there is a power struggle between pro russia and anti russia people.

Best example is how Belrussia is acting like a bigbrother in the ukraine conflict between the two sides. Aljaksandr Lukaschenka needs to slow down or stop the expanding influence sphear of russia. If ukraine falls his country Belrussia will be the next one. (together with Azerbajian)

I mean, we know putin absolutely hates Hillary so... It very well could be some kind of revenge kick. Then again it's hard to find people who don't hate her for something.

Joke's on them, our political system was already creating chaos on its own!

I don't hate her but I don't like her one bit.

She's the epitome of politician and all the terrible that entails.

I'm worried for your country, you're giving a free pass to all the things that were issues before Trump and will continue to be once he's gone.

Not to mention the incredible sanctions on their economy and the damage it did while she advised Obama.

Investigators now realize that the officer’s boast was the first indication U.S. spies had from their sources that Russia wasn’t just hacking email accounts to collect intelligence but was also considering interfering in the vote. Like much of America, many in the U.S. government hadn’t imagined the kind of influence operation that Russia was preparing to unleash on the 2016 election. Fewer still realized it had been five years in the making.

From the article.

Admit your mistake, move on. That's what I did. I made fun of him too. "That Russia? Surely you can't be serious."

Boy, was I fucking wrong.

This entire Russian puppet story is getting ridiculous. If Trump and Russia managed to plan this entire scenario years before Trump announced his campaign then Trump is a genius and Russia must have the single greatest spy organization in human hostory. It must be MILES ahead of anyone else intelligence agency. Yet they somehow are getting caught by shity reporters who half the time don't even fact check?

I for one find it far more likely that the Russian plan was to simply sow discontent so that elected officials are viewed as illegitimate. I doubt they even thought it would work this good. Congratulations guys now every single president will be accused of being a puppet for some government with no proof and just mysterious "sources".

Edited: multiple misspelling.

It will end with Putin dead.

Russia's economy is the size of Italy's, and it's nothing like the US's.

It's like a midget next to Shaq.

Actually reading the article is apparently a complex procedure that many redditors have not yet mastered.

True, but this was sixth months before the election. Trump hadn't even gotten confirmed as the nominee yet. Bernie was making Clinton sweat about her nomination.

According to the rough timeline someone posted on a megathread earlier, GRU operatives hacked the DNC/RNC during Spring of last year and Wikileaks dropped DNC files to bring it to US Public Attention after Trump was confirmed. That's a very specific comment at a very weird time for the GRU official to stage simply for a U.S. operative listening in.

There's a reason this is important now, and it wasn't before. It's with context and new revelations that reduce the likelihood of this being staged for the operative. I think Occam's Razor applies here.

I for one find it far more likely that the Russian plan was to simply sow discontent so that elected officials are viewed as illegitimate. I doubt they even thought it would work this good.

This is exactly the concern. I don't think anyone actually believes Trump was in perfect league with the Kremlin for years and year, or even that he is knowingly culpable in some anti-American plot; but rather that the Kremlin seized an opportunity to elevate a self serving buffoon to unwittingly crack the system from inside. Controlling Trump like a puppet was never the goal. Influencing him, maybe, but the the primary mission was simply to cause discord and chaos. If Americans lose faith in their most basic democratic institutions, the US will be forced to turn inward for some time, if not outright implode.

It didn't really matter if Clinton or Trump won, they just needed to sow enough dissent and misinformation that the result would have been deemed illegitimate by whomever's side lost.

To that end, so far, things are going well from the Russian point of view.

nah, bro Seth Rich and all that jazz.

The Chicago way is very very KGB Russian comrade. Some "Chicago" ways are also very Kosak.

Get out and vote during your local elections!

LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK.

You can look at my post history, it is filled with furry shit and anti-Russian nonsense at times, just wanted to say this before I continue.

honestly did not expect to ever see this sentence in /sub/worldnews

i don't judge you big boy, carry on.

Most people that know her personally or have worked with or for her seem to like her.

I think we may be oversimplifying the situation here. I think the Russians have probably bribed and compromised every American politician they can regardless of party

I have a screenshot of this "trump supporter" who forgot to switch accounts and replied to me with basically "the other guy is right, you're wrong".

Sometimes you buy into a crazy conspiracy theory and then it turns out to be true. Well, sometimes you feel even crazier when that happens.

Must be the shitty winters.

As far as I'm aware, the Arab Spring as a whole was not deliberately provoked by any particular foreign actor, and caught the US in particular largely by surprise. The flashpoint was a series of prominent self-immolations in response to authoritarian governments in Tunisia and Libya.

EDIT: I had assumed that I was honestly mistaken or that /u/mcantelon was, however a quick glance at his comment history suggests he may have a preexisting interest in morally equivocating American and Russian foreign policy and/or denouncing the Clinton State Department. His initial statement - that superpowers routinely use NGOs to establish a friendly political opposition on their rivals' home soil - is quite true, but there was no coordinated effort that led to the Arab Spring (it has been largely detrimental to basically everyone involved, including the US and Russia) nor is there a shadowy network of NGOs running the entire world. Those are conspiracy theories, and not very coherent ones at that.

Furthermore, deliberately (and clandestinely) undermining a US presidential election and encouraging protests against the most recent Russian election are not morally equivalent. Russia is a deeply illiberal state functionally dominated by a single political party that largely exists to support Vladimir Putin personally, and politically-motivated murder is both commonplace and largely accepted. The US has serious problems with its democracy, but they aren't that serious.

Excluding Crimea and Georgia

You have absolutely no clue if they know your listening or not if they are staging the conversation.

Vague accusations with no evidence are maybe good for starting middle eastern wars, but maybe not a sound reason to disenfranchise the electorate.

The sequel is even better. The unimpeachables

If you think Russia only started ideological subversion 5 years ago you are in for a surprise.

This is just the final stage "crisis" which will be followed by normalization (a word you've heard bandied about quite a lot recently*).

*with an incorrect meaning given to it by the MSM types. Hmm.

Trump praised the hell out of her until a few short years ago. Said she did and excellent job as SoS

http://imgur.com/YYdRFXF

Basically propaganda 2.0 don't try to get people to believe something specific, get them not to trust any information. Hence trump and the right waging a war on the "mainstream media."

Which is bullshit because the EuroMaidan protests started on Nov. 30th, 2014 and were in response to Yanukovych's abrupt decision on the 29th to pull out of an EU association agreement signing after the Ukrainian government had approved it and Yanukovych himself expressed support.

Why did Yanukovych pull out of the agreement? Because Russia told him to.

Russia caused those protests and the resulting ouster of Yanukovych by meddling in Ukrainian affairs with the same attitude of ownership they have toward all their neighbors. It also gave them the perfect opportunity to seize Crimea and destabilize Eastern Ukraine.

The two most hated candidates in the history of the US were both up for vote last year. I'd say if there ever was a time for a good ol fashion redo, this is it. Of course I'm not entirely sure there are rules or any legal precedent to ever make this a reality.

I believe normalization in this case refers to the "insane" becoming norm, and people eventually start tuning it out because people have to live their lives.

Exactly apathy the Russian way. The ordinary people are cynical about whether anybody could end Putin's rule. So another take at concepts behind 'homo sovieticus' - creating apathetic people who don't even want to be bothered with critical thinking and initiative.

Oh and Afghanistan and various African nations and the rest of the Ukraine and Syria and the Central Asian Republics and...

The Russians are just as bad as the US when it comes to meddling, but at least we didn't outright hold a ton of states as vassals slaved to a crap economic system during the Cold War.

Yep. I got down voted to hell earlier today, and all the up voted comments that replied to me were from Trump supporters.

One of them even claimed that the DNC killed Seth Rich because he knew that the MSM was going to release fake articles about the Trump-Russia connection. They're insane.

I believe normalization in this case refers to the "insane" becoming norm, and people eventually start tuning it out because people have to live their lives.

What did she do that was so bad or worse than all US politicians?

Dukat also allied himself with a foreign power too.

would be sweet to gut congress and start over.

As if any of those scum actually care that someone from the DNC is dead. They're using him as a political prop. It's shameful. But, of course, as we all know, those people have no shame. Hard to be ashamed of anything when you never leave the house.

Also, just want to swing in to say FUCK FOX NEWS.

They're still propping this BULLSHIT up, refusing to amend their story "until they see fit," even though the family says flat out their story is false and the PI reported on by FOX NEWS was citing a reporter... from FOX NEWS.

Once again, FUCK FOX NEWS. There's a special place in hell for people making editorial decisions for the evil empire right next to Ailes.

Great movie. The Untouchables.

*Learn from your mistake

TIME Magazine cover from July 1996.

5 years from the time that Hillary had "fomented unrest".

Also include the fact that Flynn had been colluding with them for much longer.

Google Yuri Bezmenov for an introduction, then buy some history books like "Legacy of Ashes" for a history of the CIA to see what the US was doing while the USSR was running information Warfare programs in the USA (TL;DR they were paying KGB agents for disinformation).

Keep in mind Yuri Bezmenov is also a disinformation agent, so he mixes truth with crazy.

You won't learn both sides of History in any state run school or on the internet. It's important to read books and listen to the active participants talk.

Another thing I recommend is to research Roger Stone and not dismiss him as a fashionable version of the Penguin. He's a dangerous and extremely intelligent person.

She did well in the polls after the debates and the benghazi hearings. I think she is more burdened by the years of talk radio bullshit than a lack of charisma. She is no Obama, but who is?

I definitely think that's mixed in there, but really it's just so much easier to sell a boogeyman to someone. News stations tend to target a specific demographic and tell them the things that will make them angry and want to tune in more. I don't think everyone is involved in a huge cabal, because I just don't think all the people that'd have to be involved are smart enough for that. They just want cash

Russia alleges that the US was responsible for anti Russian protests in Ukraine which facilitated the collapse of the yankuovich government

http://www.globalresearch.ca/washington-was-behind-ukraine-coup-obama-admits-that-us-brokered-a-d...

Now I wonder if the Russians hacked the DNC primaries to have Bernie Sanders lose...

The two most hated candidates in the history of the US were both up for vote last year.

That's an issue with the first past the post system. Until you have voting reform you'll always have a race to the bottom as candidates only compete to be the least worst of the two.

Right, ping me once checks and balances actually work out with Trump's relatives not using politics for business interests.

I forgot that legal proceedings were instantaneous.

Or healthcare is sorted.

That's not checks and balances you asshat.

Or middle class gets to income parity (or at least same proportion of the overall population) with what USA had in 1970.

That's not checks and balances, either.

I don't think anyone actually believes Trump was in perfect league with the Kremlin

You must not have Facebook.

I'm so sick of this tired story. It's not the Russians ruining America, it's the Americans. Are we so weak as to let our democracy be this susceptible?

We can choose to change our system of elections, adding security, efficiency, and integrity. We can abolish the electoral college and strive for representative democracy. We can support news sources that are not bought and paid for.

But we don't. We blame the Russians. FFS.

Then move somewhere you hate the rep and vote them out, duh.

What? No. That sounds awful.

There is a whole lot more in the Time article. Like how Google searches for pizzagate and other conspiracies were higher in swing districts than in safe Trump districts due to the microtargeting by russians. Basically, the_D really is nothing but morons and russians.

Have you considered that this is world news? It's a serious scandal involving the US president and Russia.

Yes. It's still wrong.

Not so much to make Sanders lose, but to pit the Sanders camp against the Clinton camp. To weaken Clinton.

and Manafort.

I think yours is the more plausible explanation in truth, and if there's anything in the Steele dossier he seems to suggest that the position on Trump altered as his run developed momentum and his file was increasingly moved nearer to the centre for more personal supervision

IIRC, there is some reference in the dossier to Trump having been helpful in the past, and for this reason they wouldn't seek to expose something in recognition of this. It was a bit oblique and seemed to be referencing business arrangements, the supply of information, or helpful services around the Russian community (presumably in NY & NJ).

Politically they seemed to view him as someone who was more of a noise though, capable of sowing discontent within the public and introducing provocatively disruptive talking points. As he gained a bit of momentum his file was moved to a different desk, but even then they seemed to think his usefulness extended to not being able to do much more than help discredit and damage Hillary Clinton's standing. It was only as he closed in on the primary that his file was moved close to Putin

If any of this true (which shouldn't really need qualifying by way of caveat) then it would lend weight to the idea that whereas Trump was known to them and of interest, he wasn't necessarily at the core of any strategy until much nearer to the actual run itself, which in all honesty is what we'd probably expect applying logic

Oh yes! Yeltsin received billions from the IMF for his needs after the organization was strongarmed by the US, and had the best campaign managers from the US. After having single-digit approval rating, he miraculously recovered and won the re-election. This Trump ordeal is some weak ass shit compared to the 1996 election in Russia.

No, trumps is different. He didn't use the word "Let's". So it's unique. Never been done before.

Yeah seriously, big-ass asterisk

I think he means that it didn't make any difference because we didn't do shit to prevent the meddling.

Why bother spying on them if we don't react when they are executing a plan to take over our government by proxy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HW_Rduet230

Right, ping me once checks and balances actually work out with Trump's relatives not using politics for business interests. Or healthcare is sorted. Or middle class gets to income parity (or at least same proportion of the overall population) with what USA had in 1970.

Most people like their rep, they just hate other people's reps. I'm guilty of it myself. I think Elijah Cummings has been doing a great job.

I'm sure you'll excuse me for not holding my breath for a peachy future for the USA, either.

Why? Obama patched up the economy, checks and balances (like the prior FBI director running the investigation) are working out, and our railgun/DEW systems are coming along nicely.

And the buildup was a combination of global-warming causing abnormal droughts and crop failures in the middle east, combined with the fallout of the 2008 financial collapse meaning that people in Northern Africa and the Middle East going starving as they could no longer afford food.

People tend to get angrier and angrier in those conditions.

NGO proxy my ass.

"Arab Spring" was, for example, a coordinated effort like this in the middle east (and a number of civil wars resulted).

Please. The US was caught flat-footed by the Arab spring and manifested an uncharacteristic inability to shape events (libya, which happened late, aside). In fact, one of the most perversely fascinating aspects of that era was watching the US political establishment torn between its professed ideals of freedom and its longstanding support for the authoritarians regimes that were the targets of the uprisings.

But I know this belief is not uncommon in a region pervaded by well-justified suspicion of the West. Indeed, a lot of people saw/see a larger design in the sudden and near-simultaneous onset of political unrest in much of the region. And it's not just the "man on the street" either. I've heard this first hand from well-educated friends in region.

Thank you. This has been what's been most troubling to me about this "Russiagate" thing. I just don't buy it. The media has been going to great pains to sell this story and we still have yet to see 1 single piece of concrete evidence it happened. And look, set aside your bias for a moment and look at this objectively --- is that okay???? This all basically amounts to rumors and buzz articles and it just transforms into the popular truth. We all heard about Trump's piss play in the hotel where Obama slept, yet nothing ever came of that "explosive" dossier. The press completely abandoned this, "Russia has Donald's sex tape" narrative and pivoted to some other Russia narrative. It's absurd.

EDIT: Stupid I have to state this to indemnify myself, as if people can't read something objectively, but I hate Donald Trump with a passion and cannot wait for him to leave office (hopefully forcibly). All I am stating is I don't buy that Russia did more than other nations that routinely try to fuck with our elections and/or OUR OWN electoral processes. DNC is horribly corrupt and fucked this election badly with their underhanded tactics.

The Benghazi investigations and shit-storm around that are probably related.

So...normalization of what? Our relationship with Russia under Trump or what?

No, Trump invented it, just like he invented Priming the Pump. /s

Yup, I told all my retarded never Clinton friends they were drinking the kool-aid. All of them bitch about Trump non fucking stop after flat out refusing to vote for Hillary.

You mean land wouldn't decide elections, One person would get one vote and actual democratic accountability would exist?!

The horror!

While we are at it, the Chicago Blackhawks still need to redo their fluke series against Nashville.

I assume he means normalization of the concept of election interference.

But I don't believe that. I think election interference will become the norm, but I'm fairly certain Americans won't normalize it in terms of acceptance.

Trump has sold 20% of our Uranium to the Russians

???

No doubt, but I'm sure you'll excuse me for not holding my breath for a peachy future for the USA, either.

Look, I'm a democrat, but you can't deny that Hillary is an incredibly shady and fairly unlikable individual. The only thing she had going for her in that election is that she wasn't as ridiculous as Trump.

http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-uranium-russia-deal/

its just T_D tards

Yeah, but MASA doesn't have that certain je ne sais quoi that your discerning Trump supporter is looking for. Or maybe it does, but cooler heads prevailed rather than be sued by the Mexican space program.

Damn. Gotta unsub from this subreddit. Used to be WorldNews, now its literally every other post about trump....didnt we get enough of that stuff in the year leading up to the election?

GRU were taking selfies in the East of Ukraine and posting them on social media. It's not like everyone is a James Bond there

And that is the start of Fahrenheit 451. When people say that we're heading towards A Brave New World or 1984 I always say that we already are living in a dystopia. Just the Bradbury one.

What content? What heinous behavior? Citations please.

Basically the worst of it is they railroaded out Bernie. Which is expected because they wanted to win the election. Not really pretty, but not surprising.

I think that's a pretty hard conclusion to come to when you're not gathering the same type or amount of data gathered in an election cycle.

It was arguably the right move. Trump supporters would have gone insane with rage because to them it would look like a conspiracy theory. This way we've gathered proof and can hold more people accountable.

Hot damn this needs to be further up the page.

Yep, America has /sub/news and /sub/politics and still manages to pollute another sub with "Hrurr drurr Drumpf is done."

I don't give a fuck. It's supposed to be a sub about news outside of the US but somehow everything revolves around Trump.

Wow really made me thing I think you guys are onto something

Yeap, just imagine if Obama had tried to shut it down. They would have been marching in the streets.

Why wait for anything credible? They were able to get substantial % of the population to believe the absurd Piss Dosssier - people will swallow anything that confirms their Trump biases.

Ongoing investigation into Russian interference with US election and "senior intelligence officials" are talking to time magazine?

These new russia facts just keep popping up each one sounds more rediculous than the last

When I clicked on the link I was so hoping it was going to be this.