Two bottle challenge

What a time to be alive. An American redneck shoots some bottles with an arrow. A guy somewhere in the Middle East sees the video on Facebook and shoots some bottles with a gun in the desert.

Time for a Japanese to throw a shuriken

Then a Brit will throw a crupmet through two tea pots

AMERICA GETS TO GO TWICE!

You got a problem with that?

That looks like an awesome beach. Where the water

And an American sticks a sausage between two swinging donuts

I'm more impressed by the fact he didn't seem to give a shit.

arrow was more impressive

No, we would also shoot it with a gun

Nowhere

America has already done the bow and arrow.

TIL Reddit commenters think shooting a gun is as easy IRL as it is in video games

There's actually some really beautiful oases in the desert

There's actually some really beautiful

Nice try Sahara... I've seen enough cartoons in my life to know where this is going.

At the Battle of Agincourt in 1415, an English army of 6000 soldiers led by Henry V, defeated a French army of 36,000.

One crucial element in this victory was the longbow. Henry deployed some 5000 longbowmen, whereas the French used mainly crossbows, which have a much shorter range. Largely because of this, the French lost as many as 10,000 soldiers to England’s 112.

But despite the clear utility of the longbow as a weapon of war, it soon became obsolete as firearms evolved. Within 200 years of Agincourt, it had fallen out of military use almost entirely.

And yet in China, weaponry evolved in an entirely different way. Here, firearms were used much earlier. In 1232, the Mongol army used firearms as armour piercing weapons during the siege of Pien in China (now known as Khai-Fun Fu). And firearms may have been in use much earlier. One picture dating from the C10th shows a demon wielding a gun of sorts.

And yet Chinese armies still used bows some 800 years later. How come?

Today, Timo Nieminen, a physicist at the University of Queensland in Brisbane, describes the evolution of the Asian composite war bow, a device he describes as “the best bow available before the advent of modern materials and the modern compound bow”. In the process, he throws some light on this question, explaining why the bow was much harder to make obsolete in China.

When a bow is drawn, the surface closest to the archer becomes compressed, while the opposite surface is placed in tension. That puts extreme demands on whatever material is used for the limb. Nieminen says it is hugely difficult to find a single material that provides sufficient strength under both tension and compression, while also allowing a high degree of deformation.

The solution that Asian bowyers settled on was the composite bow in which the surface under compression is made of horn and the surface in tension made of resin-sinew composite, both joined to a central portion of wood.

These bows were enormously difficult to make. By some accounts, the drying process for the resin took over a year. But when they were finished, they vastly outperformed other bows. This type of bow has been used in China for at least 2000 years.

One key factor in the performance of a bow is size to draw length ratio. The draw length is generally about as long as an archer’s arm. Because wood cannot be greatly deformed before it breaks, a wooden bow must be at least 2.3 times its draw length. So English longbows had to be about as long as the archer was tall and Japanese longbows were 200cm long.

By comparison, the Asian composite bow was only 110cm long, while achieving a similar performance.

That meant the bow was lighter and easier to carry than its European cousins. (Nieminen goes on to give a quick and fascinating account of the physics of bows.)

But the Asian composite bow had one weakness that prevented it from spreading to Europe, says Nieminen. Its composite materials did not fare well in humid conditions. For that reason, the weapons never spread south to India nor would they have survived land or sea crossings back to Europe.

Nevertheless, both East and Western designs were much more accurate than early firearms, particularly over longer distances. They had a much higher rate of fire. And they required fewer materials and logistics to manufacture and supply. Surely any military commander would have preferred them over firearms.

Well, yes. Except for one big disadvantage: bows require a high degree of skill to use proficiently.

Nieminen points out that while Chinese armies had a huge pool of skilled archers to pick from, European armies did not. The Europeans therefore trained their soldiers to use firearms, which could be done relatively quickly.

And for that reason, firearms quickly eclipsed the bow in Europe. “Economic and social factors, especially the training of musketeers as opposed to archers, were more important factors influencing the replacement of the bow by the gun than pure military “effectiveness”,” says Nieminen.

And that’s why the bow the gun co-existed for so long in China.

But a gun is practically instantaneous. Plenty of people could time a button press when the bottles lined up. Add in superior aim and this is pretty accomplishable.

Edit: After consulting with the gun experts in the comments, I have discovered that aiming with handguns is, in fact, completely impossible.

Well, he does kiss the gun after finally making the shot (note the damp ground).

definitely looked cooler, but i dunno-- they were bigger bottles and seemed to be moving slower

The Canadian hits two bottles of maple syrup with a hockey puck then sends an apology letter to the maple syrup mfg

Shooting it? Not hard at all. Hitting a small target? Pretty hard without practice.

And instead of using bottles this time we will use high grade military explosives a bottle of beer a friend and a 12 gauge shotgun

Both are far harder than leaving some condescending Reddit comment.

When you're only 30 feet from the target there is not a lot of difference between 1200fps and 350fps

You're talking about the difference between 8ms and 3ms

I was so enthralling by this comment that I completely forgot what this post was about.

Notice how the American used sand in his bottles, and the arab man used coke.

This outfit is called a thobe, it's commonly worn by men in the Middle East and North Africa. In many countries they don't wear thobes every day but when they want to dress up a little more for something. So, if they are going to the mosque, a wedding, a family gathering, they will wear very likely wear a thobe. But they also wear them to more mundane things like to the grocery store, the beach, or the movies. Just depends.

The robe part is always white and loose because it's made to keep the sun off your body and reflect heat away from you. The color/style of the head covering varies depending on the regions culture and style. Like in Bahrain the traditional head garb is white with a dark cord placed on top to keep it in place. But in Saudi it's the checkered red one. But plenty of Bahrainis wear the red one too, because of Saudis influence on their style. I've heard in Israel they like blue checkered ones but I'm not sure.

Source: I lived in the Middle East for a while and was friends with Omanis, Bahrainis, and Saudi Arabians. So what I know is only from that region (:

arrows are affected by wind so they don't always go where you point them, and they travel slower so you need to lead the bottles.

You're not wrong, but the archer was at such a short distance that these 2 factors are pretty negligible

The likes of which the world has never seen before

Seriously. I doubt most people who are giving this gif shit have even held a gun. Why can't we just be impressed he did this after seeing the video and just move on.

Dude it's a bullet vs an arrow what's the point of arguing? Gun is waaaaay easier for common people vs a bow

Nah, pretty sure he's not a white supremacist.

i thought the arrow was more impressive.

now imagine what we would get done if everybody just loved each other

I blame myself.

My first reaction watching this was very negative towards this man. I instantly judged him and disliked him because he's different than me and appears to have different values. That ain't right, and I'm glad your comment and the one you replied to brought me down to earth. Hopefully you get some more visibility.

I feel like things things like this don't really belong on this sub. Don't get me wrong, it's an impressive feat, but it's much more a matter of timing and steady aim. "Never tell me the odds" more conveys sheer dumb luck an pure accident than skill to me. The gif of someone tossing a piece of paper in frustration and having it land in an implausible spot is what fits the bill.

Nice detective work there, Batman!

I thought he was going to get in his car and drive through them 😂

Matthew McConaughey taught me that if you just hide in the sand by train tracks, eventually a toxic waste train will come by and you can hop on it and be saved after a bit of ass kicking and some explosions.

way more impressive. The bullet goes exactly where the sights are pointed and it's basically instant, all this guy had to do is pull the trigger when they were lined up.

The guy was shooting barebow, so no visual aids, arrows are affected by wind so they don't always go where you point them, and they travel slower so you need to lead the bottles.

But now there's glass in the sand!

Worst day at the beach ever.

Legitimate question: I've seen that exact garment worn by many people in many videos. Always in red and white. Is it worn in other colors or is this there some specific significance to this particular color combination?

Fastest gun in the east

Not if there was a hurricane or a tornado.

Saudi Arabia is basically the Texas of the Middle East. Oil wealth, viewed as being fat and obnoxious by their neighbors, religiously conservative, ridiculously proud, wear funny hats, like to shoot guns, etc.

In Australia we'd peg a thong at it

Not a beach. The guy is clearly from Soda Arabia.

Rooty tooth point and shooty mk2

I don't know what I just read but I'll take it.

Dude, nice effing shot, I wonder what gun he was using?

As an American I see this every time I go to sleep!

Meanwhile I'm buying two coconuts from the store...

That's the Hispanic mother version. One chancla, two swinging brats

Wasn't really a joke, I'm just angry. Fuck Nazis.

This is less impressive than the arrow because the bullet by the gun travels extremely fast, trigger the gun when the bottles align, easy.

The arrow on the other hand, you have to consider wind and more importantly, travel time, which makes it more difficult.

I agree though, this looks pretty cool.

Man that sentence is a wild ride

That's pretty much common sense, though.

Or giant spiders 300 ft tall

كفووووو والله وحش

Also known locally as the "kandura". The headgear consists of the cloth (either plain white, red/white or beige/white, known as the "ghatra" and held in place by the black cord, known as the "agaal".

Sometimes kids would get a proper beating with that agal. Stings like a bitch.

Source: Spent 35 years in Dubai so I know a thing or two. Not Arab though.

Americans use coke too

Ever watch narcos?

I want to see that

Ever tried to throw one of those things? Those cunts are fucked, they're just designed to end up on your neighbours roof.

A good thonging is where it's at!

Can anyone ID the truck? G Wagon?

Far too soon.

Mercedes, G class?

I have held a gun. I am impressed. As your comment is the most reasonable I've seen ITT, I am now moving on.

Hey bud, it's great to see that you recognize that and you want to better yourself in that regard! It's a great trait to have

Nieminen points out that while Chinese armies had a huge pool of skilled archers to pick from, European armies did not. The Europeans therefore trained their soldiers to use firearms, which could be done relatively quickly.

I think the real reason lies more here than in anything to do with the difference between Chinese and European bows. There were proposals as late as the 19th century for the British military to bring longbowmen back. They didn't do it because it takes a lifetime to train an archer, but the longbow itself wasn't made obsolete until the advent of the repeating rifle and, in particular, machine guns.

Cause he's not white

http://i.imgur.com/Kb60YtM.jpg

Something tells me it’s not his first time being warm

You've definitely never shot a handgun. It's much more difficult than you think.

I love some brain eating amoeba when I go for a quick swim.

Holy damp sand batman!

It was probably his like, 40th shot and he was just like "FUCKING FINALLY"

That's just beautiful, really.

demon wielding a gun of sorts.

China had medieval DOOM

What makes them crazy? Shooting bottles?

Thermal properties of steel mean that the heat transfer after firing a round is extremely low. If it's a 1,500 degree C fireball that vacated the barrel in a millisecond and the slide is 1cm thick, you'll end up with less than 10 degrees rise.

You don't know that, this could be in New Mexico.

Fun camel fact. Saudi Arabia has fewer camels than Australia.

I've had various levels of success with Boomerang throwing, ranging from it going out in a straight line and not returning, all the way to coming back to me so precisely and quickly that it cut open my forehead.

Good read

I guess Canada is hitting two cups of Tim Horton coffee with a hockey puck?

Exactly my thoughts. This is a feat of skill, not luck

Oh boy someone is a little touchy

Sonovabitch. I was expecting a certain reference to 98 and the Undertaker.

There's really only a couple fractions of a second where it's in frame long enough to get a guess. But to me it either seemed like a Beretta M9 or some 1911 variant.

Would love to be proved wrong if anyone knows better though

From the town of Meccoke?

But football in the groin had a football in the groin

Then a French will launch a 90kg projectile over 300 meters and hit two castles

lol no. Someone literally compared it to "pressing a button when two objects line up". This person and his upvoters clearly haven't shot before.

Would that be throwing a sandal?

It's like something out of a Bollywood anime.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ksy08zs1M5U

Adding to this that two of our commonly used offensive hand gestures stem from the Battle of Agincourt. Captured Longbowmen would have their middle finger chopped off (or both index and middle finger). A common way to say "fuck you, I still have my fingers and will shoot you with my longbow" from far away was to display that those fingers in fact were still there.

Sounds like an excuse. It's literally just a middle eastern dude shooting some bottles but you had to start preaching, didn't you

Everyone in this thread is missing the real reason that the gun is easier. When the bullet hits the first bottle, it's quite possible that the first bottle creates a lot of glass pieces moving fast enough to break the 2nd bottle and/or that the bullet itself fragments into several pieces, increasing the area of effect for the 2nd bottle to be shattered.

A sausage? We'd use a hotdog, preferably a chilidog with cheese and bacon, we're not heathens.

come on

Do you have a link to the arrow one gif/video?

I'm just disappointed it wasn't an AK47 fired in full auto and he somehow hit the G Wagon behind him.

Yeah I would just skip it and look for the oasis in the desert with cold water.

It is possible also that the violence that the gun bullet makes might throw a fragmentation of glass with velocitude to explode also even the second of these bottles?

I suppose I could make this video with some swinging Tannerite.

I was expecting a camel. I don't know why but I just was... kinda sad there wasn't one

I am much more accurate with my bow than my handgun. At short distances I'm probably more precise with the handgun, but anything longer distance and my bow starts becoming more accurate. Since handguns are so short if you move it just slightly by an inch you end up missing by a few feet. Now as for my rifle or shotgun, those can easily outshoot my bow and pretty much any distance.

That was badass

G Wagon?

Can confirm, and my username is relevant.