Trump may reverse decision on climate accord, France's Emmanuel Macron says

Trump may reverse decision on climate accord, France's Emmanuel Macron says
Trump may reverse decision on climate accord, France's Emmanuel Macron says

His current thought process is ruled by the last conversation that he had. This is not new.

Yep. This thought will last until he gets home and talks to Bannon or whoever again, and down the toilet it will go.

Nothing sounds like he may reverse his decision. In fact the article says Marcon's hopeful that Trump will reverse. The actual quote sounds like how I placate my family when they want me to visit and I don't want to say "no".

"Yeah, I'll try and work that out. Let me check my calendar and get back to you."

Grandma: Yeah, he'll be here

Go see your grandma you goddamned monster

I'd be genuinely impressed if this were true.

He takes the position of the person he spoke to last. Once he heads back to the White House, president Bannon will realign him once again.

...and down the toilet it will go.

He'll let everyone know with a tweet while it's going.

French President Emmanuel Macron said he was hopeful that U.S. President Donald Trump would reverse his decision to pull the United States out of the Paris climate accord, according to weekly newspaper Le Journal du Dimanche on Sunday.

So macron hopes that Trump will reverse his position, and people take it as fact that Trump is now going to reverse his position.

I fucking hate this place sometimes, I swear to God.

I think Macron made some joke about how it is the US who is retreating this time instead of the French.

Edit: I actually quite admire the French spirit. They certainly know how to revolution better than the US. As folks have mentioned, the French Resistance was pretty key to the Allied victory in Europe.

I once saw a comment on /sub/politics that described him as a "walking Markov chain" and I don't think anything could be more accurate.

This is so disturbing, he is so double faced that is disgusting. He will be tweeting tomorrow that macron is a socialist nutcase and that he never liked him, and that his wife is not that pretty and needs a facelift or something in that fashion. I still can't believe he is POTUS.

Oh my god its learning

At this point, with dozens of states choosing to cooperate with the climate accord in spite of Trump's withdrawal, I think he's probably realized that this was not the best publicity decision he could have made both domestically and internationally.

Using another country's stereotype of your own to self-depricate in order to highlight their own failings.

Well played.

What % of the fat cunts tweets emanate from the shitter? I bet it is high.

Yeah, people say it's that "he takes the position of the person he spoke to last", but I'm inclined to think it's more like he just deliberately pretends to see things from another perspective in order to get the person he's speaking with at that moment to see him in a favorable way.

Thats where all the advisors cant catch him.

He won't, so he can post it as a TIFU when she dies. All that sweet, sweet karma..

Hah, I had to Google it but that is perfect!

Mar·kov chain

ˈmärˌkôf,-ˌkôv/

noun

STATISTICS

a stochastic model describing a sequence of possible events in which the probability of each event depends only on the state attained in the previous event.

Which might be true in many cases, but this isn't one of them:

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/01/trump-announces-paris-climate-agreement-decision.html

'Trump: US is withdrawing from Paris climate agreement but wants to renegotiate'

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jun/2/mike-pence-donald-trump-open-renegotiating-paris-d/

From the article in the story:

""(Trump) told me that he would try to find a solution in the coming months," Macron told the paper, referring to meetings the two leaders had this week in Paris.

"We spoke in detail about the things that could make him come back to the Paris accord," he added.

Trump has said the Paris accord is soft on leading polluters like China and India, putting U.S. industry at risk.

Trump on Friday appeared to hold the door open to a change of position on the 2015 Paris climate change agreement which he pulled the United States out of earlier this year."

It seems like this is a consistent position which appears to be.

Twitch plays US president

That would require him to tweet reasonable things occasionally

Shhh you'll spook it

Trump may reverse decision on climate accord, France's Emmanuel Macron says

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the headline says that Trump may reverse his decision, based on a quote from Macron.

Check his mentions per tweet, he gets so many @replies it's insane. He's not reading those. He's just looking at how many little hearts each tweet gets.

Trump may sprout wings and fly around the world

The idea is these countries can save money by not reducing their emissions, as they are growing economies/countries. But that does give them a business advantage over the western world who now spend more to produce the same good.

Although it should be noted I believe this is NOT a good excuse for the US to not tackle emissions.

Up until ww2, the French were known as being extremely hardcore and fierce fighters. Pretty unfair how they are seen these days.

The French Foreign Legion is still highly regarded.

"Cash me isside" - Trump

Exactly that is why i don't understand how anyone can trust him.

Playing the long-con. The things people will do for karma...

Then it came out that Kushner is involved directly in the espionage with the Russians...or maybe it was the shady real estate deal with the Chinese or Russians...shit I dunno...Kushner has been implicated in so many illegal activities the last month or so he's on the outs and Bannon is back in there.

I would argue that this thread is a great example of why Republican voters disregard / don't care about your arguments. It's because the general argument is barely touched on or related before the absolute conclusion that, "anyone who doesn't see this is an idiot".

I would point towards academia and research conferences - the greatest way to help others find the truth is to convey your thoughts / arguments with respect. I know it's the internet but I'm starting to hear it come out of people's mouths in person too.

I know this thread is a place to agree with one another, but maybe just food for thought outside?

Just a reminder that people need to stop thinking of her as this really smart and capable and competent member of his family. She's just as dumb and greedy as the rest of them.

She's the "pretty Trump" that he uses to make people think he's smart and cares about issues he doesn't give a fuck about and is actively working against. Women's issues, family issues, gay rights issues, send Ivanka to be sweet and pretty and diplomatic and while she's there playing house, Trump can continue the GOP gutting of those issues.

Maybe grandms is s real jerk. Maybe everytime he goes to grandma's she reminds him that he still hasn't finished that puzzle he started years ago or that being gay is a choice and he should "straighten up his act". Maybe not all grandma's are made of sunshine and cookie dough with frosting. Maybe....he doesn't like grandma one bit which is why he has to make excuses or blow her off like this. Just saying...grandma can be a racist jerk sometimes.

Maybe, I need to call my grandma.

if you haven't taken a look, check out /sub/subredditsimulator . They're all bots that use Markov chains seeded with content from various subreddits.

And many of them sacrificed their lives to allow the British army to retreat back across the channel during the German invasion. People shit on the French for WWII, but everyone else on the continent got steamrolled too...

Wtf! Why do you do that to you grandma?

I think he could easily backed into a corner by mildly consistent questioning:

Macron — Why did you back out of the agreement?

Trump — [Spews out meaningless buzzword salad]

Macron — How do you think the agreement works?

Trump — [Tries to repeat some talking point, but doesn't remember it, and contradicts himself in the process, also, America first!]

Macron — Do you know the agreement actually benefits the US? You are the indispensable partner! You could show great leadership by negotiating a great climate agreement! Obama couldn't.

[…]

Trump — I just signed the best climate agreement ever! Democrats and Obama have ruined our beautiful country, we will make it great again!

Edit: I mixed up the names.

Like every single person that voted for him. Trump was a running train wreck long before he even got nominated for the Republican party, everyone with a brain larger than the average ant could see that from miles away. There were rape accusations, fraud accusations, numerous lawsuits from companies duped out of money and dubious bankruptcies not to mention shady deals with mobsters both domestically and abroad, all in the public domain and still people thought it was a good idea to have this vulgar piece of fraudulent shit represent America on the world stage?

Seriously?

"Although it should be noted I believe this is NOT a good excuse for the US to not tackle emissions"

I think that was the reason the US signed onto the Paris Agreement: to do what you can because at least it's something.

In the mean time, the US president is trying to remove regulatory bodies that protect American workers and citizens and natural environments on American soil. The US president isn't revolted by China and India having leeway to pollute, he's just jealous that they get to do what HE wants to without judgement.

He's always been open to reentering the agreement if it were more favourable to the US, but nobody was willing to negotiate.

Idk man, that would be a real tifu. The stuff on that sub would be "so, I didn't visit my grandmom, but she died and I hitched a ride in a Bentley, filled with 6 nubile beauties, I then had sex all the way till Kansas. When I got off, I realised that I left my toe nail clipper in the car....man did I fuck up or what!"

Now that's the /sub/tifu I know.

Only idiots trust him, but there are a huge amount of idiots in the US.

Good lord. Do you realize that one possible outcome might be that somehow Trump not only comes back to the accord but only does it after forcing the stricter/more progressive changes that many on the side of climate action (that were against the accords because they didn't go far enough) are asking for?

My poor brain wouldn't know what to think at that point...

Not requiring the US to give money to 3rd world nations so they can buy turbines from Germany and solar panels from China.

Not letting India and China ignore pollution until 2030.

This. Trump will say anything to anyone. It means nothing. This is why he couldn't get any construction companies to work with him in the US. He won't honor a contract.

And even back then, everyone told him how utterly stupid it was, how quitting would get him no leverage, how it couldn't be renegotiated, and how it didn't have to in the first place, because it was a non-binding agreement.

But maybe macron can babysit him into reversing his mistakes. His retarded base would totally eat it up as trump having succesfully 'renegotiated', so he would't even lose points with them, since they understand it just as little as he does.

I don't totally disagree with this position; however, it ignores the fact that the Paris Accords had China and India agreeing to some pollution control, which is better than nothing. They are developing countries (well, India moreso than China) and they simply can't afford to do as much as Western countries. Particularly India. So baby steps are better than no steps.

Macron explained this to Trump, I guess. I hope he also explained the same about Iran. Iran has been a bad actor, but they are no worse than Saudi Arabia really. Most Middle Eastern countries have a thread of supporting terrorism-- the one shining example that does not would be Jordan, I think. Lifting of the most severe sanctions on Iran was a similar baby step forward toward a more stable Iran. That's good for everyone.

Many people have engaged in serious conversation though, including quoting studies or scientific organisations, just to be called a 'product of the globalist media' or something to that effect. It gets tiring, the science is out there, easy to find and conclusive.

All the smart ones are keeping the whole mess beyond fourty foot pole range

well the apple doesnt fall far from the orange

So that means any time he actually tweets something that is reasonable policy (such as an indication of "we need to join the Paris Accords", or "Universal Healthcare would be a great thing"), we need to brigade his twitter?

Can someone set up a discord or something?

They have done this since the beginning and it's apparently a common tactic among authoritarian governments: shuffle around your people and get people focused on palace intrigue, but in reality these people aren't going anywhere. Bannon was supposedly on the outs, Gorka was supposedly on the outs, Sessions too. But Sessions is still right there, Gorka is on TV all over the place, and Bannon's fingerprints are still all over Trump speeches.

Nah, he's just a fucking coward. He knew he was gonna pull out, but waited to announce it till he came back to America. He knows he won't stay in the agreement, so his two faced having ass just said what he thought Macron wanted to hear.

Trump said himself he may reverse his position if conditions were more favorable for the US!! Does anyone actually watch the president speak or do they just read headlines?

I hope this becomes a thing. Trump embodies the worst of American stereotypes after all (fat, lazy, smug, anti-intellectual) so i hope other nations use their own stereotypes to criticize us.

Trudeau shout tweet something like "Trump is really straining my Canadian impulse to be polite right now. #realmeanie"

He actually took this position from the beginning. If people actually read the news articles.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jun/2/mike-pence-donald-trump-open-renegotiating-paris-d/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/01/trump-pull-paris-accord-seek-better-deal/

http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/336008-world-leaders-warn-trump-paris-agreement-cann...

The continent just wasn't ready for war so soon after WW1.....but Hitler was.

It's not that. It's that Macron treated him like a king while in France. Wining, and dining, and I'm sure blowing smoke to his arse about how great he his.

Not that I'm upset about flip-flopping on the climate position, but it is alarming how easily he is manipulated.

Bannon has been a bit silent lately, but apparently he's back and working with Kushner and Eric Prince (founder of Blackwater, brother of Betsy DeVos) to turn the Afghan War private...

Erik D. Prince, a founder of the private security firm Blackwater Worldwide, and Stephen A. Feinberg, a billionaire financier who owns the giant military contractor DynCorp International, have developed proposals to rely on contractors instead of American troops in Afghanistan at the behest of Stephen K. Bannon, Mr. Trump’s chief strategist, and Jared Kushner, his senior adviser and son-in-law, according to people briefed on the conversations. On Saturday morning, Mr. Bannon sought out Defense Secretary Jim Mattis at the Pentagon to try to get a hearing for their ideas, an American official said.

http://www.salon.com/2017/07/12/steve-bannon-is-back-and-while-were-all-distracted-he-wants-to-ou...

Guessing Kushner/Prince are doing it for profit, while Bannon is doing it to further his insane Holy War ideas.

Am I the only one who doesn't see this as doom and gloom? You all seem to forget: Trump is always on his twitter, go mass tweet the guy to influence him, he's a narcissist, whatever he perceives as popular he will act upon.

I thought Bannon was kicked by Kushner and Kushner is his main advisor now

I miss my grandmas

Who's taking it as fact? The next paragraph simply indicated that he may:

"(Trump) told me that he would try to find a solution in the coming months," Macron told the paper, referring to meetings the two leaders had this week in Paris.

This would also explain a great number of his speeches and quotes.

Buried down in the article:

Trump has repeatedly said he would be open to a better deal for the United States.

So essentially, Macron just got the message.

Last year Trump was saying that Paris was a hell on earth due to the refugee influx.

Now? He had a good time and Paris is beautiful.

Don't be so sure about how Trump's mind will change based on a nice meal and a lot of compliments.

Start9

Or Macron was trying to convince him and he just agrees because he's too cowardly to say it to his face.

This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 51%. (I'm a bot)

PARIS - French President Emmanuel Macron said he was hopeful that U.S. President Donald Trump would reverse his decision to pull the United States out of the Paris climate accord, according to weekly newspaper Le Journal du Dimanche on Sunday.

Trump has said the Paris accord is soft on leading polluters like China and India, putting U.S. industry at risk.

Trump on Friday appeared to hold the door open to a change of position on the 2015 Paris climate change agreement which he pulled the United States out of earlier this year.

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He's insulted people with less than 50 followers.

The accord counts china as developing country, which is second biggest GDP country and creates the most pollution

Stop

Can confirm, my grandmother is a Batman villian. She hid cancer from us for years while she sat in the garage smoking cigarettes and drinking 8+ cups of coffee a day.

*Barron. The true 400D chess master, Barron Trump. Also known as Donald Trump. Also known as John Trump. Also known as... John Titor. Barron Trump is John Titor that came back to take control of this timeline and play the world like a fiddle. He knows better than we do and this is just one of the steps in his master plan. 

Edit: Here's the proof - http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/214/676/8aa.jpg

*Barron. The true 400D chess master, Barron Trump. Also known as Donald Trump. Also known as John Trump. Also known as... John Titor. Barron Trump is John Titor that came back to take control of this timeline and play the world like a fiddle. He knows better than we do and this is just one of the steps in his master plan.

Edit: Here's the proof -

It's perfectly possible to have a great time in a city that's hell on earth for poor people, as long as you go with money. It's like that in most developing countries, but the example that comes to mind is Dubai. Although Rio de Janeiro, or Moscow also are good examples.

Man this movie is getting really cliche.

This is pretty much exactly what Putin has been doing this whole time. Other leaders are finally picking it up.

You mean the dementia?

Maybe not having us pay for third world countries to meet their emissions quota. Or maybe not leaving China out of it until 2023. While the rest of the world takes hits to their GDP, China gets to parade and do whatever the fuck they want. This is a huge play by China to gain economic superiority. Why do you think they are big "proponents" of climate change prevention?

Can we put democracy mode on?

So nothing changed. Trump is still holding the same opinion as he did before. Come on worldnews, you can do better.

Is there any competently sane person that trump likes that can volunteer? What a mess.

Mexico will pay for the wall and it will be completed before this happens.

Tbf it's bullshit how much crap the French get, they're incredible fighters even in WW2 despite the loss.

Only thing is Dory had a sense of ultimate purpose for the good and an end goal which was morally justified. When it came down to remembering important things, she came through. It's that fucking prick Marlin that keeps undermining her and sending them on wild goose chases.

How cool would it be if Macron was the Trump whisperer?

My Grandma is sweet but called me a hussy when I didn't wear stockings, and likes to remind me nobody wants to date a fat girl when I get two dinner rolls. I get that she's from a different time but Sometimes people don't want to deal with family.

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Not true. He often gets in petty little fights with regular citizens in the replies section.

Also, USA is projected to exceed Paris accord figures by good margin and ahead of time no matter what Trump does or if USA is in Paris accords.. industry is moving towards it, tech is there, it is happening anyway. A lot of this is smoke and mirrors, about principles, not about pragmatic solutions. It is more about making human made climate change real, making USA say once and for all that the 97% percent of scientist know what they are saying.. That is more what is at stake. That and the example: Turkey is now with drawing too and their tech is NOT going towards green on it's own.

Those states will cooperate until it comes to sending money to 3rd world countries....which is the part of the Paris climate accords that people have a problem with.

I don't think it can read, so as long as nobody narrates these comments and puts them on Fox news, I think we're ok.

Some classic 5D Shogi from The President.

She sounds more like an X-Files villain to be honest.

Let's assume that the other countries were open to renegotiation, how could the agreement be changed to be more favorable? I'm curious to hear your opinion.

YOU BETTER GET YOUR PUNK ASS ON OVER TO GRANDMA'S HOUSE BEFORE YOU KILL HER FROM A BROKEN HEART

He's too much of a coward to tell Macron to his face, that's why he originally pulled out if the agreement while he was back in the US.

Republican voters remind me of Dory in Finding Nemo... the most vacuous minds on the planet.

Relieved is my word. Impressed? Nah. He's an idiot who didn't understand how important the climate was until grown ups explained it.

You don't need to pull out of an agreement like the Paris Agreement in order to renegotiate it.   Edit: The Paris Agreement is non-binding and didn't require a monetary buy-in. We didn't gain any negotiating leverage by leaving.

Well, there have been some decent Conservatives who had sense, but nowadays, they all seem influenced by religious zealots and blinded by greed.

Which is exactly why Turkey pulled out. They weren't getting their cash once the US pulled out.

It was already watered down due to the US. What more do you want? Anything more and it would be meaningless.

Like the 1/3 that still approve?

Please re-read what he said..

Perhaps President Macron does not understand that Trump routinely reverses or walks back his statements within 72 hours: "I never said that!".

Republicans will vote republican, same goes for democrats. With bad candidates the only thing that happens is that less people will vote overall.

Most people didn't like Hillary, and for good reason. Unfortunately the elections have nothing to do with which candidate is better, only if you're bothered to go vote for "your side". Electoral College doesn't help since the popular vote doesn't matter either.

There are just very few people who will change parties based on the candidate.

Damn that's a good one actually

didnt he basically say its a conspiracy by all other nations to ruin the US economy and "mock and laugh at us"

Brownian motion is an example of a markov process.

Pollution controls are expensive. Fewer controls - more industry.

http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/PollutionControls.html

In India in particular, I know of a couple of cities where industry got devastated because of pollution controls.

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/economy/court-order-on-dyeing-units-closure-chokes-tirupur-ga...

As a developing nation, the government will try to balance environmental needs with job needs in India, leading to compromised standards in some cases.

Where US industry competes, or tries to compete head to head, this becomes a negative factor for the US

That doesn't effect the united states? How can you not understand this. We suddenly have to gut industries to meet requirements while china does not. How, in any way, can you think that doesn't effect the US?

He doesn't walk enough for that to be accurate

At this point, with dozens of states choosing to cooperate with the climate accord in spite of Trump's withdrawal

This is a big part of the key. People are looking in the wrong direction

All multi-signatory international agreements are the products of compromise. Almost inevitably they have to be. With the churn of political leadership in the world its equally inevitable that someone is going to be forever inheriting someone else's compromises without necessarily having been party to the process that led to them.

Paris was weak anyway, and heavily criticised for being watered down so as to allow the US to sign. After all that though, they still don't do so. The rest of the world is better off without US Federal government involvement. Federal government is slow and obstructive. The rest of the world would make infinitely more progress if they were able to get corporate America and American consumers to sign up. They can also deal through states and cities as their preferred agents and by-pass Federal government

What would be really exciting is if someone was able to lay out, push, and promote a citizens Paris accord, allowing people to pledge their support. Now that really would terrify Federal government if they suddenly saw millions of people making conscious decisions in defiance of their policy positions

Ultimately America will come back to the table, if only because the electoral cycle will ensure that the pendulum swings a little bit more left again, before lurching off further to the right. The rest of the world would be better off developing their post carbon economies, technologies, infrastructure and achieving scale in Americas absence. When America does re-engage they will be doing so from a diminished position and be less able to block and obstruct which they've been doing ever since Kyoto

Your rage blinds you and causes you to say silly things.

Wow, just checked it out and it seems I was bullshitting. Retracting my claim!