TIL of an Idahoan student who made a science project about the dangers of dihydrogen monoxide (water). The project was so convincing it caused his fellow students to call for it to be banned. This was used as an argument against leading the public to false conclusions with the manipulation of facts.

TIL of an Idahoan student who made a science project about the dangers of dihydrogen monoxide (water). The project was so convincing it caused his fellow students to call for it to be banned. This was used as an argument against leading the public to false conclusions with the manipulation of facts.
TIL of an Idahoan student who made a science project about the dangers of dihydrogen monoxide (wa...

“43 of Zohner’s classmates voted to ban the compound, citing its deadly nature.” Sounds like Zohner’s chemistry class didn’t do their homework

President Obama banned the use of this to torture detainees, yet still allows it to be given to our school kids.

Did you know 100% of people that drink this die?

This chemical has a ph level of 7.0. That’s higher than any acid!

Speaks volumes about their chem teacher

You can lead students to the truth, but you can't make them do their homework. Honestly, if I was the teacher, I would have let the students go on their little crusade to see if any of them learned about due diligence and the dangers of group think.

I mean, it did kill everyone on the Titanic...

I’ve drink it all the time as a little party trick and I’m fi

I use a website about DHMO every year with my students to discuss evaluating websites and being critical of what we see and read online. 

It’s so fun to see it slowly click at the end of the lesson and then swear them to secrecy so they won’t spoil it for the other classes. 

DHMO.org 

edit- I know, the formatting of the link is screwy. Looked fine in the mobile app for me and wasn't saving my edits. Should be fixed now. 

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I use a website about DHMO every year with my students to discuss evaluating websites and being critical of what we see and read online.

It’s so fun to see it slowly click at the end of the lesson and then swear them to secrecy so they won’t spoil it for the other classes.

DHMO.org

edit- I know, the formatting of the link is screwy. Looked fine in the mobile app for me and wasn't saving my edits. Should be fixed now.

Edit edit- since this comment is doing well let me take a moment to talk to you all about CRAAP!

Please be thoughtful consumers of media and remember to be critical of: Currency, Relevance, Authority, Accuracy and Purpose.

Penn and Teller went to a green peace rally in the mid 2000's and collected signatures to ban water using the same methods

You can lead students to a horse, but you can’t make them horse.

Good one, legit got a laugh out of me.

Well I can’t edit it. I died

I’ve drink it

right

I saw a short video on Twitter where a guy tested ph levels of bottled waters. One person said they knew ______ brand water was garbage as proven by the pH. That person didn't know what pH was or what it measured but was led to believe pH was suddenly the end all water quality test.

This chemical is heavy enough to be used as radiation shielding in nuclear reactors. Should it really be in our food?

Scientific studies show that 100% of all serial killers have ingested DHMO at least once in their life!

But yeah, that's a classic. Really appreciate that he won a prize for that, not only is his report (likely) accurate in relation to chemistry, but it as well highlights a very critical part of science and use thereof to manipulate public oppinion.

Not selfish Rose.

I like mine filtered through a brewery....

You can eat a horse, but you can't tune a horse.

TBH I wouldn't trust a site that looks like that in 2018...

If you are dependent on it, going through withdrawal can kill you

This is the most hilarious point. And it's absolutely true.

I was told about some video about measuring water quality using pH by a friend. She also talked about how bottled water pH was such great indicative of quality. All this, because I only drink filtered water (tap water's flavor in this city sucks).

I then proceded to tell her about how much stuff is in water that doesn't reflect on the pH and she had never thought about it.

People need to educate themselves a bit more.

The real story here is that your friend was willing to listen. Many are not.

100% of children exposed to it become so severely addicted they die without it in a matter of days.

I'm just saying, if someone pulled this in my science class, you best believe I'm voting banning water, and I'm about to graduate in biochemistry. That shits hilarious.

If a chemical can rust a lead pipe, imagine what it can do to your intestines.

You can lead a horse to fresh water but you can't teach it how to be okay when you decide to leave

I remember that! It was an episode of their show Bullshit. Great show.

Don't worry, it's still legal for enhanced interrogation purposes.

First, I think you may be overestimating people.

Second, if people read it and decide it's all bullshit, they've just graduated to the next level of the prank, because it's actually all true, just sensationalized.

The people who post DHMO facts always overblow it. You need to be subtle for the facts to not sound ridiculous in aggregate.

If you're going to say that it's a super strong solvent - don't say that it's also used as a growth promoting compound in agriculture. That just tips people off.

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No one should but sadly there are a few too many people that take all that info as the gospel and disregard the obvious red flags.

The kids are pretty good at pointing out the design flaws and getting leery of it from that alone.

You can lead a horse to water, but if you do please bear in mind what wet horses smell like.

Man this story changes so much when you open the article and read the kid was 14. I was gonna cut these kids some slack, but yea at 14 my chemistry professor already fucked with the class with the whole using water's acidic naming variation and asking us if we wanted some of that acid. This story is cute if it was elementary, this story is sad when its high school.

you can lead a horse if you wanna, you can leave your horse behind. cause your horse don’t dance and if it don’t dance well it’s no horse of mine

Good job rewording the title.

That's not really the chem teacher fault here. Everything in the report against DHMO is true. The important point is that it has to be put into perspective.

For example you find it in tumor but do you also find it in the same proportion in healthy tissue? It can kill you from over ingestion but at what does and ingested how (because fun fact, almost everything can kill you if ingested in large quantities, heck one big glass of table salt could kill you if you ingested it at once).

Also take a look at the risk benefit balance, total withdraw kills you but there might be an healthy point where it doesn't harm you.

So the issue wasn't that the chem teacher failed to help them recognize water but that they lack the critical thinking to put it in perspective and verify in which context this claims against DHMO were made.

Social engineering as a science project, wow

We...did it?

Jimmy Kimmel and Adam Carolla were able to get women to sign a petition to "end women's suffrage".

That reminds me of an old segment on The Man Show where

Your child’s juice box contains more of this chemical than an ounce of methamphetamine.

Some people use teacher and professor interchangeably.

100% of the people that don't drink it die too...and much faster! We can conclude then that dihydrogen monoxide has a life prolonging affect, and is not dangerous! It may even be the fountain of youth!!!

Somewhat similarly, there was a person at a women's college that got a lot of students to sign a petition to "end women's sufferage"

diluted with ethanol.

*Diluted

Wait no

Crooked Rose!

fun fact, cold will kill you a lot faster if you're covered in DHMO. The majority of severe hypothermia cases involve not just cold, but DHMO.

Also, that successful thawing problem that's holding up viable cryogenics? Guess what's causing all the tissue damage when you're frozen? That's right - DHMO!

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Idk, a high pH can signify limey water, which certainly isn't tasty. Source: live in a hard water area and have a water softener to make water taste less terrible.

“TIL of an Idahoan student who made a science project about the dangers of dihydrogen monoxide (water). The project was so convincing it caused his fellow students to call for it to be banned. This was used as an argument against leading the public to false conclusions with the manipulation of facts.” But sadly, not a movement to have schools teach our young to test-question everything? As the establishment wouldn't like that.

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It’s absolutely unreasonable to expect people to do independent research on everything they hear. Even the geniuses of Reddit with such critical minds that they could never be fooled... also believe things they hear sometimes.

If you hear someone or something (i.e media) you trust sincerely telling you the dangers of something you never heard of you’ll probably assume they’re not full of shit. I’m sure there are plenty of news articles you’ve read and believed that you wouldn’t even think of unless you were caught out by some science project telling you it was a lie.

Dismissing what is essentially another form of lying with “well if you weren’t so stupid you wouldn’t have believed me” is not helpful.

My findings were that 102% of all serial killers consumed it, with a 2% margin of error.

So it could be 104%... Wow terrible substance.

She's already ahead of 80% of the population

at least 100%

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You can't horse a water, but if you water with a horse you gotta give it a fiver

wew

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Once this chemical comes in contact with your skin, IT CANT BE WASHED OFF!

Greenpeace is a great example of a collection of influential morons.

They also lobby (effectively) against GMOs and nuclear power.

EDIT: To those below who still fear-monger about nuclear. Nuclear is literally the safest power source - and it produces zero CO2. source1 source2

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Oh no! Not the CHILDREN!

A friend of my previous boss did something similar, but he was an adult and things went almost out of control.

He used to live in a small village in Tuscany. He started printing flyers complaining about the imminent construction of a dam on Rio Vallanza (I can't remember the name he used but it was a fake name, there was no river or stream named like that). The flyer was saying that the dam was going to flood the rare habitat of the Falco Grondaiolo (again, a similar fake name for a non-existing type of hawks).

It was before the Internet, so people didn't really have easy ways to check this out. He went further, and organized a meeting in the village, explaining the problem. Local newspaper were there, and reported the news. He started a petition, and collected many signatures. People started writing letters to the mayor, and that point he realized that it was time to explain that it was just an experiment. I am pretty sure few people "enjoyed" the experiment: a lot of time was wasted, and people felt ridiculed.

I have no idea of the aftermath, but he left that village and now lives in a big city.

To be fair thats how all government sites look

It's also the main ingredient in acid rain

"Did you know 90% of your water is 100% toxins? Who knows what the other 10% is?"

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I believe you're referring to

I have really limey water but that's because i'm from England.

We're running through dangers of group think scenarios in the present.

To really drive the point home, you need to have their choices affect them personally for an extended period of time. Sure, it's embarrassing to admit you jumped on a bandwagon, but the humiliation is lessened by the fact there were so many others who fell for it as well.

Nah, you need to make them vote on homework amounts or something of that nature using misleading campaigns to demonize the easier option. You'll be surprised to see they pay more attention to detail (because it is perceived as more important than a chemical to them, despite the ban on water having a much greater scope than a classroom's homework amount.)

Possibly. Students / people are easily convinced of many things, particularly at a young age. Without the expectation that something is afoot, I could easily see this happening. Lots of teaching doesn't encourage constructed understanding but answering lots of questions based on memorized material. It is hard to counter this in the challenges that teachers have teaching lots of kids with very strict timelines. There are methods for teaching better, but often it takes much more time that isn't allotted.

Well on a brighter note Flint, Michigan is actively making this compound non-consumable. Imagine the lives they will be saving!

From a Japanese raugh to a chick with a staff

I think just the oxide means it's ionic whereas monoxide means covalent.

100% of people have this chemical substance in their body.

In an ionic compound (metal + nonmetal), yeah, we don't need the prefix. But when you have molecular compounds (only nonmetals) you need the prefix to specify what the oxidation states are in compounds that could have multiple configurations (like NF3 vs N2F5 - both are nitrogen fluoride, so that is a useless name without prefixes).

I think he meant that it speaks volumes in that the chem students didn't even know what Dihydrogen Monoxide is. It only takes a little bit of chem knowledge to figure out that Dihydrogen Monoxide translates to H2O and almost everyone knows that H2O is water.

It was probably the cold more than the water though

Rose for jail!

ENHANCE!

On the contrary, for some reason even just strongly conservative sites tend to look pretty questionable, and conspiracy ones seem to be made to non-human aesthetics.

I think that's probably the easiest place you could pull that off. Greenpeace are not exactly renowned for their scientific literacy or skepticism.

I purify mine with a 50/50 mix of whisky.

Yep.GMOs are believed to be safe by a high percentage of scientist than believe global warming is real and human caused. Yet Greenpeace is so quick to point these same scientists when protesting global warming and quick to denounce them on GMOs.

Also nuclear power is literally the safest form of power we have. In its history it's killed less people per unit of energy produced than every other energy source. In fact if you factor in the offset carbon emissions and the deaths relates to fossil fuels that nuclear offset, nuclear power actually saves lives by the millions.

Bullshit!

There was no homework for KONY. Look how many dolts got caught up in that nonsense.

You had a professor at 14?

Because saying "monoxide" sounds more nefarious than just "oxide". because people already have a innate fear of Carbon Monoxide so it sounds similar.

Not sure anything rusts lead. Are you thinking of iron or steel pipes?

an acid with the highest pH value that is also used for industrial cleaning

In some places on earth exposure to just the skin can kill you in 10 minutes!!

Yea. People don't read facts and process logic, like machines. They hear buzz words with associative connotation and have their emotions steered, like cattle.

Example 1: Trump is president.

Example 2: Lady. Making. MMO. Video game. Scientific. Dragons

Expired sugar water

shrug

Read the title only to the Dihydrogen Monoxide, then went for the actual article, then came back to post my comment.

Yeah, in retrospect it's pretty much saying the same.

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