TIL a total of 2,500 Londoners have been arrested over the past five years for allegedly sending “offensive” messages via social media.

TIL a total of 2,500 Londoners have been arrested over the past five years for allegedly sending “offensive” messages via social media.
TIL a total of 2,500 Londoners have been arrested over the past five years for allegedly sending ...

And this is why Americans talk so much about their constitutional rights

Rowan Atkinson's (Mr. Beans) view on this.

Well worth a watch.

"Arrest that man for hurting my feelings"

Yea that's kind of a dumb law. I can understand threats being taken seriously but come on now.

The whole basis of the 1st Amendment to the Constitution.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Now - this doesn't mean that if I have a press, I have to let everyone use it! By all means no! But I am allowed to use it for my own purposes!

Side note - Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion - does this mean that the states can? Its not called out here ... interesting ...

Lot of people forget this but most of the very famous british comedians from back in the day were very very well educated.

Sounds like something the mods in /sub/canada would love to do. Speak ill about us Natives and no problem, criticize Muslims and you're banned.

States did have established religions at first (Maryland was Catholic, there were a couple of others.)

But then we said

No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

So states can't make laws which abridge the right to, for example, freedom of religion.

George Orwell is spinning in his grave

It's the final consequence of a nanny state, they will soon need to use ID to view porn, they doubled down on the drug war and they will continue to crack down on "offesnsive" speech.

“Let’s burn this motherfucker’s house down” isn’t protected speech, it’s an incitement to violence. The next comment saying something about having a torch ready isn’t much better.

Protected speech; “This thing the cops did was fucked up....”

Not protected free speech; “...so let’s fuck them up for it.”

UK may have better healthcare, but the laws are very draconian for a developed nation

Freedom of speech is more important than the rights of others to not be offended. We shall lose critical thinking abilities with the species if we continue to cede the linguistic territory. I will gladly die for this cause. Hate speech is not a real thing or something that folks should be protected from.

There is nothing in the first amendment that says colleges can't expel you for saying stuff.

What are you doing?

None of your fucking business.

https://news.vice.com/article/british-man-is-derided-and-arrested-after-asking-a-muslim-woman-to-...

Poor taste and stupid? Yes. Should he get thrown in jail for that? Come on.

Yeah haha it isn't that bad cuz AMERIKKKA amarite? Phhewww that was a close one

Your false dichtonomy shows how fucked the UK is, socialized healthcare is pretty common in non-shitty government countries bro

Twitter started demanding my mobile phone number to continue posting after I made comments about Islam being a homophobic and misogynistic religion. At that point I stopped using it.

I still hate this argument, we should hold freedom of speech to a high standard for everyone. And if that university is getting any any federal or state funding then I don't consider it a private entity. If someone wants to spew what ever they want in their own time that is fine. Don't listen to it, or just let the stupid ideals die on their own.

You can be fired for saying offensive things. You can be fired for any reason or no reason at all. The first amendment protects you from being jailed, fined or otherwise prosecuted.

When I was a boy reading 1984, It all made sense apart from the always on Telly screens with a camera facing the viewer. Our TV would get turned off and would never ever have a camera.

Now everyone has a forward facing camera on their phone(basically a screen) which most people never turn off.

Not sure if he predicted the future or wrote the guide

It's actually quite rare to have such things codified in a nations founding document, so we tend to go on about them. For all the things wrong with the US, the bill of rights is not one of them.

On a fundamental level I agree with those who opposed including the bill of rights in the constitution over concerns that it would appear as if those rights were somehow granted by the government, as opposed to being simply acknowledged by the government as being inherent in our existence.

But being as uncivilized, as most civilizations are, and we have been, it has been nice to have something codified in the supreme law of the land that a person can simply point at and say, "Nope." when the rulers get out of hand.

Also we get to have guns so as the saying goes, nyah nyah, nyah nyah, nyah nyah.

But as soon as that speech is offensive we abandon the concept too. Go check out the thread about that racist University of Alabama student saying offensive stuff in the privacy of her own home. Even Redditors were cheering on her expulsion from a publicly university.

People only agree with free speech as long as it's something they don't disagree with.

Thats not even the worst part. The worst is the double standards NO ONE especially reddit will acknowledge when it comes to things like this. Evergreen college had a fucking entire day where they told white people not to come. White professors were chased around by mobs and cops had to be called. But reddit still claims there is no issue with things like this.

The worst part of this is that it seems the general consensus is that these kinds of speech infringement are okay. I've met very few Europeans that won't defend speech codes (usually leading with "hate speech" or "holocaust deniers").

People like to throw gun laws or health care at America as being backwards for a developed country, but, in my mind, those pale in comparison to censorship laws of any kind. That is some seriously backwards-ass shit.

The standard is something a reasonable person would perceive as a sincere and direct threat. A reasonable person would not take stand-up comedy seriously.

Giving more rights to companies is not comparable to taking freedom away from individuals.

1984 is slowly becoming a reality...

You shouldn't have to choose between the two, that's the point. Nice whataboutism tho

Yes, he has an electrical engineering degree.

The First Amendment prevents Congress from making any law respecting (regarding) establishment of religion, it doesn't say anything about freedom of religion - that's implied by the freedom of speech and assembly. A government church is very much an establishment of religion.

The 14th Amendment extended all federal protections to the state level, and at that point a state church became unconstitutional.

Not really, it's the internet just shut down the computer.

It is a literal nanny state lol. My dad used to call it that in the 1990s and we're all British born and raised. Oxford educated even (on my dad's side)

No it's not. It's like saying you hate Hamburgers, okay just don't go to hamburger places then.

Getting online hate messages? Okay close the god damn internet then until you grow up enough to handle your feelings.

That and while you can talk shit about Christians ( I am an atheist for what its worth) you have to be a bit more tender with Muslims or any other religion to be honest. Regardless of what you do or do not believe its silly to think that you can talk shit about one and not the other.

The Communications Act 2003 defines illegal communication as “using public electronic communications network in order to cause annoyance, inconvenience or needless anxiety”. Breaking the law carries a six-month prison term or fine of up to £5,000.

So you don't even have to offend anyone. It's enough that you annoy or inconvenience someone...?

Oi you got your swearing license for that post?

They certainly talk about them.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/18/facebook-comments-arrest-prosecution

As long as you get a Yank to talk, he'll give up resisting.