This really does describe SJW in gaming to a T. They violently censor every voice they disagree with, portray opponents as a wide, coordinated, illogical mass of either trolls, MRA's, Redpillers, white supremacists - basically anything that's easy to understand and that can be used as a blanket term - and then dismiss any sort of valid criticism they are unable to silence in that way as outright lies or violent, using broad, powerful terms like misogyny, rape, oppression or anything that even remotely fits. Making light of real victims of those things in the process, by applying the words they use to describe a trauma to characterize disagreement based on feelings.
Then it's time to act surprised: tired of being silenced, finding no voice, and having no representation - those people violently revolt as well, are angry, and are forced to resort to toxic communities, outcasts, in order to find someone to even allow their message to be heard. The massive censorship going on in this very same subreddit is proof enough, made under verifiably false pretenses and still going on. Disgusting - I wish I was mature enough to move away from this trainwreck, but I am angry about it.
these journalists kept pushing their niche, that market they carved out on popular social issues in gaming. They never cared about any of it, but it was working for the last 5 years, great articles were written on homogeneity of masculinity and femininity in games, on lgbt issues, on race issues etc. But instead of staying civil, sticking to the facts they began to produce more and more rhetoric. They began to make claims about sexism. They've started manipulating terms like misogyny and social issues for click bait, making messes over spilled milk.
People, both gaming enthusiast and developers are getting pissed, they're tired of all this misrepresentation, these false allegations and bullshit. The zoe stuff was a powderkeg for the failures of gaming media.
This entire Zoe thing has brought me to the conclusion that SJWs are a circlejerk group of fucking jokes. These people are all sociopaths, and fucking terrible human beings. What fucking wastes of society. And it's a shame cause there is probably a legitimate discussion about women and gaming but it's being front lined by hypocrites and fucking terrible human beings.
God fucking dammit this makes me so mad.
Giantbomb hired a Senior Editor and a video producer both were already well known by the GB staff already and they knew that they would fit in with the quick looks and everything so they hired both guys from Game Informer.
Both guys were white males and a bunch of SJW flipped out because 2 girls who owned a podcast accused them of Misogyny and only hiring them because they were white guys. Turned out one had applied for the job and wasn't chosen.
When someone tweeted at one of the ladies and asked "What if they had better qualifications?" She just replied with "Fuck off"
Everyone's a mysoginist these days. Especially those damn discriminating game developers.
I mean just look at that FIFA 14 game. It's full of men. Not a single woman.
The reporter was so unprepared, and Jaffe just destroyed him.
personally i don't think they are sociopaths but the major players I think are people with NPD Narcissistic Personality Disorder
Symptoms of this disorder, as defined by the DSM-IV-TR, include
Expects to be recognized as superior and special, without superior accomplishments
Expects constant attention, admiration and positive reinforcement from others
Envies others and believes others envy him/her
Is preoccupied with thoughts and fantasies of great success, enormous attractiveness, power, intelligence
Lacks the ability to empathize with the feelings or desires of others
Is arrogant in attitudes and behavior
Has expectations of special treatment that are unrealistic
Oh god, don't remind me. That was the dumbest shit I've ever seen on the internet. Even half(ish) their own community flipped out about it.
There is no person that is a better fit for Giant Bomb than Dan. He was born for that type of content. I kept saying it on the site, but most people didn't care because he was a white male. Literally the dumbest thing ever.
I wonder how those people feel about Dan now.
I always liked how outspoken and true to himself and his opinions David Jaffe has been.
EVEN if he were completely wrong in what he was saying, (which he is not), then at the very least he's speaking from the heart and backing what he's saying with facts instead of doing what these internet feminists are which is restating the same fucking thing over and over in increasingly annoying and aggressive ways.
It quickly gets to a "join or die" point and Jaffe will gladly die. He'll make a show of it too and find a way to piss into your bullshit-spewing mouth as he does it.
Good guy Jaffe.
You're getting downvoted because the clip of Jaffe and Kuchera is from two years ago, long before the Depression Quest Zoe Quinn fiasco.
Jaffe: When did I say I'm a mysoginist?
"Journalist": You didn't but we felt you implied it.
Jaffe: You're a fucking idiot.
"Journalist": David... no... David, come on. David. No.
I honestly believe the whole shitstorm around Giantbomb a few weeks ago was the turning point for a lot of people. It was the most ridiculous "social issue" I had ever seen
Alright, let me try to explain in laymens terms, so lets assume you're a regular demipansexual who doesn't conform to the genderbias of the patriarchal society forced upon you by the white male agenda and your otherkin headmates are all for the black transgender goals that the polygender opressors are trying to hold back because the shitlords are trying to convince you that they're non-binary when in fact they're just strawmanning your movement as an MRA advocate when really you're just trying to show them that if they would just open their eyes (TW: possible chinese racism) they would see that they're being fooled by the thin priveledged americans that think they can just eat a hamburger and not feel horrified that they've completely and totally offended you for triggering their conditions.
But bbbbbuuuut my headmates say that DSM is a patriarchal construct! /s
What was the context of this recording?
I'm going to be an ass here.
I read her twitter for the past day or so and frankly all the big name players in that fucking scene actively support her personal life decisions. If you read the Zoe Post, it's pretty fucking obvious she's a sack of shit. All those people are fucking supporting the act of fucking cheating on your significant other ridiculous amounts; frankly partaking in complete selfishness and acts that negatively impact the health of those close to her - causing them extreme anxiety. Fuck. Her. Fuck. Them.
And the position she is in and what she represents? What a fucking cesspool. I will listen to a group of people standing up for women's rights. But that is just a fucking male hate group. Those people have no honor and give no fucks about anyone but themselves. When people that are supposed to represent women's rights are blatant fucktards in their personal life I think it is very, very fucking relevant. If you want me and 70% of the other people that read this shit to take anything SJWs say seriously, get those people the fuck out.
I am being an ass, but this is how I see this shit now. Sorry that a single group of people can fuck this for you that hard, but they can.
so SJWs are just... racist?
Two guys who were noted to have competency in their choice of work vs a podcast girl petty enough to try to call that card for not getting hired. Take a guess. (Yes, they were MUCH more so due to experience.)
I'm pretty sure this has to do with IGN and other gaming news sites that hire pretty women who do a shit job and when they get called out on it, they respond with 'Well you just don't like me because I'm a woman'
Wait, the reporter was saying that Jaffe meant that one had to be manipulative to get sex, and that women couldn't play coop, from that?!?!
They're talking about the guy who made God of War and Twisted Metal is what they want to call misogynistic? Don't get me wrong we are talking about a serious warping of the word misogyny, but I find it funny that the game about cars blowing each other up is the offensive one.
Edit: Actually, now that I read the article, it is concerning comments he made promoting the game (colloquially of course).
Gawker is a fucking cancer of the internet and it's time we start the chemotherapy. Enough with these opportunistic holier-than-thou clickbaiting dipshits.
It is so incredibly annoying and ridiculous, that is why I stopped reading gaming websites and stuff.
Social issues should not be a part of a gaming blog, video games are an escape from the stupidity and retardation of the world.
EDIT: A word
Yeah, but they avoid bad press by including .
Nothing better than hearing a truly talented person tell off a SJW hack journalist.
Didn't you know it's impossible to be racist against white people? The word racism clearly only gets its meaning from the context in which it is most frequently used and not the actual definition. /s
Basically, for those who haven't looked into it, he made a joke about the coop mode in Twisted Metal, saying if you brought it home for your girlfriend, she would give you a blowjob.
Welcome to the world of sensationalist gaming-journalism! Pick a side and be the biggest dick you can to get your sweet, sweet page-views on a topic you actually could not give two shits about.
Why do we need to talk about problems? What happened to just talking about games?
Giantbomb hired a white guy.
"Real problems". Its fucking video games man. Theyre supposed to be fun, theyre supposed to entertain. If someone is entertained, why is it a "problem" that needs to be "solved".
People take this shit way too fucking seriously, yes there are businesses and yes you can make money from it, but at the end of the day theyre toys for entertainment, and people who want to turn every little minor detail into a social fucking statement should find a new bag.
Ben Kuchera is a hack and shouldn't be working in games journalism and David Jaffe is a Bad ass mother fucker who speaks the truth.
We should have reached this conclusion years ago.
They hired two straight, white males.
Not really, no. They make their life convincing themselves they are victims... and then dont do anything actually helpful.
Still the SJW's infest more than Just Gawker.
what was it?
Apparently, I'm a misogynist, despite being a woman, because I hate feminists. Lovely.
I never knew what a SJW was until yesterday and would have been fine not know what they are, or the various internet hate that they seem to generate.
Don't these people have lives? o.O Like, shit to do other than building internet personas?
SJW in gaming to a T
please someone send me a definition of these... these acronyms
The most recent example that sickened me was how they tried to convince everyone that the Rainbow Six Siege demo at E3 was sexist because the woman was a hostage. And how her being a hostage made her an object. It's fucking stupid. It's infuriating. Whats worse, is that whiteknights actually buy into it.
Can't faffe the Jaffe
That brings the whole journalism aspect full circle. Bad news sells, it always has. A story about some disaster somewhere real or otherwise would attract much more attention than any feel good story would, and so it is the same for our "gaming journalism" joke of an industry.
I'm a pretty liberal dude. I'm all about that big shit : supporting people irrespective of race, gender, ethnicity wank wank blah blah.
The SJW movement, however, often goes too far. You cannot control people, you cannot beat them and shame them into submission. At times I think it's just a culture of teenagers doing teenagers shit : at times I think it has some valid criticisms with poor execution. LGBT kids have never been more visible, for example, which must be good for the collective mental health of their community. Then again, the two are not synonymous and there are gay dudes on /sub/tumblrinaction who think the culture is bullshit.
One thing I do think unites most SJW's is that it seems to be making a culture out of anxiety, out of illness. The whole 'triggering' thing : that has a real meaning in psychiatry/psychology, but SJW's use it, once again, in a way that seems to be projecting personal neurosis onto the outside world.
I seriously wonder if this is a little of the political correctness of the nineties + a shot in the arm from 9/11. While statements like that are usually a little glib, this is not a couple of people : this is a generation. The years after the Twin Towers attacks were tense and dark and anxious, years of color-coded Terror alerts and CNN feeds of military operations and grainy beheading tapes - and a generation of young people ( and not just Americans ) have grown up with it.
He didn't backoff, he was annoyed with the misinterpretation of what he said being used as a basis to attack him. He called the journalist out for making up his own definition of misogyny, and then decided to drop the conversation all together since the journalist wasn't being receptive to any of the things he was bringing to the table.
Dan is awesome. I still miss Vinny on the podcast though.
It used to be easy to find an issue to talk about, but games have been getting a lot better overall so they have less real problems to talk about.
Real problems still exist, but as the general situation has improved they've discovered its far easier to make things up nowadays.
On the other hand, I've notice since this Zoe mess a huge rise in the SJW label being thrown around so much that it's really being applied to anyone who has a legitimate argument on racism, sexism, etc.
and you know what that "journalist" got fuckn massacred. may the lord have mercy because Jaffe sure didnt
They wouldn't dare...
It's Ben Kuchera. He's kind of an asshole to people he disagrees with.
Yeahhhhh I realized that. I'm here at work without headphones so I just assumed. That'll show me.
Some chick pulled a "Burger and Fries" to get her depression game favorably reviewed by gaming journalists, started antagonizing a bunch of depressed virgins, and then got Feminist Frequency on her side. This started a discussion on the integrity of gaming journalists.
Edit: This is what happens when you're at work and don't listen to things because headphones are at home. I'll take my negative karma like a champ as I have earned it.
Sorry i dont understand whats going on, can someone just summarize it?
edit: got it now thanks :)
Yes it was, thank god its finally getting noticed by people. It's been floating around for ages in the groups of people already disillusioned about how shitty games journalism is but to see it on the front page of a big community like this gives one hope that maybe these fuckers will finally lose prominence. Ben Kuchera, Jason Schreier, Nathan Grayson, John Walker, Patricia Hernandez, they don't give a shit about games, they only want to push their agenda and they would rather post an article where they babble incessantly about how misogynistic 12 year olds playing halo are than actually look for interesting games to bring to the attention of their audience.
And the interesting games they do decide to try to showcase are often just more attempts at editorializing, either by praising how progressive the game is (gone home) or demonizing the game for imagined misogyny (too many examples to count, I'll list a couple, Heroes of the Storm, La Mulana 2, Dragon's Crown, Heavenly Sword, Bayonetta 1&2). Fuck the press, video game news should be about video games, not MUH FEELINGS.
Ugh, just seeing the word headmates gets me riled up.
at times I think it has some valid criticisms with poor execution
As someone who works with political campaigns, and is a liberal, that's essentially the case.
If you wanted to do something about social justice issues, you wouldn't be shitposting or grandstanding on the internet. You would be working for it.
Were the men more qualified than the women? Podcast doesn't sound as coveted as gameinformer staff member.
I don't understand.
Headmates is like roommates... but. You know. And they're all the same oppressed person as you, sometimes you're a different race, sometimes you're an animal, sometimes you're a male with a vagina, or a female with a penis, and if you're really really lucky, you're never a white straight male with a penis, god forbid a white straight male with a vagina.
That's Ben Kuchera in a nutshell for you; "unprepared."
Please don't call Kuchera a "journalist". I'm a writer and have studied journalism, and I don't even call myself a journalist. As far as I'm concerned, "journalist" is a title you earn by doing actual journalism. That is, striving to present only the facts, without editorializing. Preferably facts with actual value to the readers/viewers.
Writing only opinion pieces isn't journalism. Journalists can write opinion pieces, but if that's what you mostly do, like many other games "journalists", you're not one. Especially if you goddamn official title is "Senior Opinion Editor".
Someone please get ahold of David Jaffe and get his two cents on the current issues with gaming journalism!
You are absolutely right.
I used to work a Blizzard, and during my time there there was a call for the LGBT community to hold a gay pride event within WOW. Blizzard's line was that real world issues like this have no place in WOW along with gender issues, politics etc etc (in fact they used to hand out bans for those that pushed these issue in game). WOW was not the real world, it was a place people came to have fun regardless of who you were, where you came from or what you believed.
I wish more companies would have this sensible approach....
No, you're not, no more than I am an anti-Semite for wishing Israel would stop going overboard in retaliation toward Palestine.
When I opened the file my first thought was "of course it is Ben Kuchera".
Are you saying birds aren't in animal kingdom? Way to be speciest you fecal baron.
I don't let the weeds grow in my carrot patch just because I can't get to the ones in the cucumbers and rutabagas at the same time.
Books have looked the exact same, with no graphical updates whatsoever, for centuries - yet people still seem to be able to discuss those passionately and positively.
Sorry, my Snarkinson's is acting up. I get it man, I just don't like it.
I really fucking hate journalism as a whole but I REALLY hate how video game journalism has degraded to fucking "Busch league" Mr. Jaffe pointed out.
These cocky college dropouts (or they graduated which would be even more pathetic) act like they are geniuses at what they do and whatever they write is absolutely stellar. They care not for sources, accuracy, or bias. Their only care is the clicks received for their sensationalist, bullshit circle jerking headlines that sit above a cesspool of grade school crap. There are no journalists I respect unless they actually earn their place in the industry with proven ethics and solid credentials. No one has yet to meet those 2 standards.
The funniest part of all of this is that usually, corruption this deep would be mentioned somewhere in some news outlet. The reason you'll never see this covered by any major self-respecting media outlet is because as a whole video game journalism is valued below THE NATIONAL FUCKING ENQUIRER.
Yeah, that's right. The national enquirer is valued for accuracy, bias, and sources MORE than most video game journalists.
Yes it's fucking /v/ and the fellow is likely a troll, but honestly how accurate is that list of reasons you have to ask yourselves?
Women in games definitely needs to be discussed. I mean, half the time a girl goes into an online game, some people suddenly lose control of their cerebrum/prostate/bowels. It'll never reach the level of conversation it deserves with this kind of hate-mongering idiocy going on though.
Unfortunately no one is safe from an "us vs. them" mentality, I already see lots of people saying SJWs are terrible, evil people. At this point I think SJW is a term you rarely see self-prescribed, like "fundamentalist" or "racist." Everyone can agree those are bad. But saying it over and over, "racists are bad," "fundamentalists are bad," that causes problems. Stereotypes are usually made up of a combination of adjectives, and the main way unfair stereotyping happens is, say someone has 2 of the 5 adjectives someone associates with SJW, you think of them as an SJW.
I guess what I'm worried about is feminists closer to the voice of reason but still speaking with passion will get lumped in as SJWs--already saw VoidBurger on TumblrInAction getting chewed out in comments, and she's far from a raving SJW lunatic. At the same token people who take the opposite side will have a similar problem--the worst examples become the prime examples.
I guess I just want to say don't worry about WHAT you or other people think so much as HOW you/they choose to express your/their thoughts, in both words and actions.
Good on you Jaffe. I never really got in to his games but he fucking called Kuchera out on his and his employee's SJW bullshit and nailed them for it. Too bad that the mere act of disagreeing with them will label him a misogynist and worse though.
I'll just stay in a corner and wait for a transcript ._.
These SJW fucks are all privileged white kids that don't know what real discrimination is like and are trying to make their douchebaggery justifiable
"Fecal baron" is a great variation. I'm using that one.
But what did this have to do with what i posted
I meant real as compared to made up, not real as in important.
A girl I dated in college (and mind you, this was 10 years ago before the internet REALLY started fueling the crazy) once did a paper for a sociology course where she took posts from Stormfront (a white supremacist board) and swapped out some of the language with terms used by radical feminists, and vice versa, then mixed the posts up and challenged people to identify which was which.
The point she was making was that collective judgement and prejudice wasn't in any way tied to any particular boogeyman group like neo-Nazis, but was a problem wherever it occurred.
It was pretty entertaining. Needless to say the "Women's Studies" majors did not appreciate it and essentially tried to run her off campus.
And David Jaffe doesn't care about being thought of as an asshole for just stating his opinion. I'm going to buy that man a beer at GDC some year (assuming the industry hasn't burned him off at this point).
Can I just say one thing? Fuck Patricia Hernadez, that is all
It's sad, really. The whole thing is a fucking mess. Both sides have these extremists who can't see that the situation is not even close to black and white, and are just adding fuel to the fire, making both sides look bad.
As a casual gamer, I honestly just skipped out on this whole social commentary fiasco whenever I saw it. It's almost the same shit that goes on when there's a school shooting, and they blame GTA.
Now I am not sure if skipping out on the discussion is a good idea. There's a lot of casual gamers like me out there who, you know, aren't into the whole debate thing (there's never any reconciliation). On the flipside, I don't want these SJW-hardliners calling the shots on my video games.
What a world we live in.
Don't you love how a "journalist" will write articles accusing someone of something based on "tone" and "the impression" they got.
These people hear what they want and write what they want, and the truth and facts are irrelevant.
They have a warped agenda and they insist on pushing it at every turn and manufacture reasons to push it.
Not sure if you're describing Phil Fish, or describing Phil Fish.
irrelevant to his comment
David Jaffe is a professional tired of bullshit, you can hear just how over all of it all he is.
That's what I was assuming. If one person is much more qualified then there's no reason to be pissed about it, in my opinion. The company did what was best for the company.
I would really rather not have these neofascist dirtbags get involved in politics.
You want this generation to turn on liberalism in a massive way? Invite these authoritarian control freaks to sit down at the table with you.