Took me way too long to see it
Definitely not something I'd ever have noticed on my 1 tonne CRT TV
Then they did a good job.
The directors couldn't have predicted that in the future, people could watch the movie on a HD screen inches from their face. The scene lasts less than a second, but small details like that are way easier to pick out now-a-days, than they were in 1999.
HOW THE FUCK DO YOU PEOPLE SEE SHIT LIKE THIS???????
Like seriously? I will have watched the same film 1000s of times and not notice little inconsistencies but you guys can pull shit like this from a 1 second clip...
Ton and tonne are actually different measurements and both correct spellings.
The metric tonne is 1,000kg
The American ton is 907kg
I catch so many weird little details in things now that we can freeze frame with no quality loss AND everything is remastered in HD. Friends is really bad about this. You can see the edges of sets and stuff now because it wasn’t recorded with widescreen in mind.
Enough eyes looking at any film will pick out every single detail. The more popular ones will have every single frame scrutinized. I'm just lucky enough to have spotted it.
Hey, you spelt "tonne" correctly. That's really cool.
Ya, well, technology advances, and things people didn't think were possible are now commonplace.
It's really quaint to watch twilight zone on a 4k 50" and be able to see everything. The "special effects" from back then were like high schoolers films today.
Ya, lots of old shows. Even in high budget shows from the 90s like X-files, you can still see boom mics and camera reflections.
Also, with VHS, and even with DVD a bit. You have to stop, rewind, and sit next to the tv while squishing an unresponsive remote. Today with all digital media, it's 2 mouse clicks away.
Like I said in another post, it's such a quick scene, they wouldn't have been able to justify it. This cost them the price of a crap leather jacket and a green tie, and 1 asshole noticed it nearly 20 years after the movie was released.
With all the other visual effects in the movie, you'd think they could have done that one. Contact, two years earlier, pulled off something way trickier.
Well we don’t want to miss out on the extra 93kg on that CRT, do we?
Can we hand it to op for the good post and the fact they've replied to almost every comment :o
I'm curious how something like Source Code was able to pull this off (the ending)
You can see right next to his head that the ground looks flat coloured and the lines in the ground are barely there. It was just drawn out.
There are no people behind him and the ground is pretty uniform. All they had to do was follow the tile lines in the ground and fill it in.
You can see, right at the shadows border, it looks REALLY weird. That's probably where the cut off is.
It's SO quick. I bet you won't even remember this thread when you see it.
what an asshole. jeez.
And, with VHS, they were always moshing.
I'm sad now I can't unsee it.
lol i'm just giving you a hard time. It was totally sarcastic. There was nothing even slightly assholish about any of your interactions!
I'm trying my best, But it's getting pretty late and I have an almost 10 hour day tomorrow. I'm thinking I'm going to be heading to bed soon.
And then 17 years later in John Wick 2 they film an entire action sequence in a house of mirrors. Not. One. Camera. Seen.
You can see the edges of sets and stuff now because it wasn’t recorded with widescreen in mind
This is where I kind of draw the line and say "you were never meant to," though, in fairness. The Wire is a great example - they remastered it in widescreen HD and it just doesn't look right, because it was directed (staged, framed and blocked) in its original aspect ratio, so it's meant to be viewed in its original aspect ratio.
Twin Peaks, for example, would look so weird in widescreen.
When you start remastering and airing shows in a new aspect ratio, it's verging on what Lucas did with Star Wars - changing things just because it's modern, but actually sort of tarnishing the original work. You wouldn't expand the aspect ratio of The Last Supper and fit it a load of extra disciples, would you?
This is a good god damn movie detail. Not some BS plot point! Well done!
Well yeah, because they are different measuring systems. It's worth noting that the American ton is 2000 lbs and isn't just an arbitrary number. (Like some of our numbers)
Its also worth noting that I wish we all used the same system so we didn't have to make random distinctions.
There's a whole "bit" in Friends that is spoiled by widescreen. Chandler ends up in bed with Janice on the morning of Valentine's day, and the shot is supposed to be a close up of him rubbing his face with his hands, and a third hand appearing, panning away to reveal that it's Janice's hand. However the HD Widescreen remaster shows her face the whole time.
Malcolm in the Middle:
Not-Dewey on the right.
Thank god for technology.
True. Most people were also too into the movie to notice that Teen Wolf Too has the exact same plot as Teen Wolf.
OHH ok. The internet's lack of inflection has claimed another victim.
Thanks for clearing that up.
I didn't mean to sound assholeish. I was just saying I said it in another post because I didn't want people skimming the comments to be confused as why I typed the same thing twice.
Many of these tricks were given away in director commentaries or bonus DVD's. The Matrix had a second disc in the box with a few hours of interviews and behind the scenes material.
Ok, I don't know if this will get buried or not in the comment, but I'm going to bed.
It's like 4:30am here and I need to go to school tomorrow. I'll try to catch up on all the comments when I get up, as best as I can.
Many of the English ('Murican) Unit quantities (4, 8, 16, 32, 128, etc) are used because they are base 2, so recipes could easily be modified.
Quantities in 12 are also good, as 12 has many factors (1,2,3,4,6) rather than 10 which just has 1,2,5.
I'd still rather use metric (duh) because we're a base 10 society, but for daily mental math the English units had advantages, too.
Are you insinuating that pouring an arbitrary amount of salt into water, noting where it freezes, and making that 0F is not elegant??
Can you not grasp the universal beauty of subtracting 32, then multipling by 5, then dividing by 9?
Different time. Different expectation of quality. It shows what they were working with then. Most people didn't see it because most people are too into the movie to look for that kind of thing.
Yes, same with movies from the 80s. You can see a boom mic in both Teen Wolf and Teen Wolf Too.
You called yourself an asshole first. He was clearly making a joke. Though that is probably because you arn't clicking context before you reply.
If you're gonna post something like that, at least do it in a resolution where you can actually read what it says.
It's not the errors that matter - it's the fact that the director shot the scene with certain things in mind. For instance, maybe they positioned characters and props to fit in the golden ratio and now that's been lost, leading to a less appealing scene. You'd have to watch critically to notice.
That's what I thought of and holy fuck all I could look out for was cameras and fuck me I didn't see a single one.
To be fair, 2000 still seems fairly arbitrary.
Well, at least it's not like 5280 or some other random ass number based on an archaic measurement by a people who didn't have anything better to use...
93 kg is the weight of a full-grown person. It's actually less than what I weigh... damn, I'm fat.
Much easier to fake reflections on flat surfaces than curved ones like doorhandles.
You just made me waste 36 kb of my unlimited data, hope you're happy with yourself.
You mean Friends is really good about this because you can see certain things really clearly now. It must have been cold on set.
OK, so, I looked over the couple seconds a bunch and there's only one major clue. They aren't in the reflection. You should see them in this angle. That scream composite. But this ain't your grandpa's composite. A second earlier in the scene they walk from out of it, to under it and the lighting is consistent with outside.
What I theorize is that they did a pass with extras, and positioned them perfectly so they don't cross in front of the camera. Then did another pass with the actors for the foreground. In post they scrubbed the camera out again with tiles (Notice the big empty place in the frame?).
The tile line that is all screwed up is the cut off point, all the gear is to the left of that. There is an extra walking towards it and her hand clips it right before she goes in. They fixed her hand, but for a frame the colour of her hand is off.
IIRC, it was two different shots composited. The mirror wasn't actually a mirror.
Usually yes, but this was just something I spotted. I don't know if it's in the extra's, it very much may be.
Thank you very much. If this is what the people want, I'll pick out more in future.
To be fair, there are SO many movies with the same plot....and Jason Bateman was SSSsssooOOOoooo dreamy
Many many years ago I used to work for a high-end AV shop in Glasgow. We had a customer who bought the latest greatest Sony rear-projection TV, DVD player, Dolby Digital amp, speakers, the whole nine yards.
He rang up to complain that whenever he watched DVDs they had a sickly greenish cast.
After having him come in to swap out various cables, check stuff out, playing test discs and so on, we eventually had him bring it in one Sunday (he couldn't come in during the week, or even a Saturday). We set it all up in the shop.
"Right," I said, "Stick one of your DVDs in, and let's see..."
The only DVD he owned was The Matrix.
I have it in front of me right now. Can you give me a time stamp or scene? I'll try to explain it.
edit: Are you talking about the bean?
ton1 | tən | (abbreviation t also tn) noun 1 (also short ton) chiefly North American a unit of weight equal to 2,000 pounds avoirdupois (907.19 kg). • (also long ton) a unit of weight equal to 2,240 pounds avoirdupois (1016.05 kg). • short for metric ton. • (also displacement ton) a unit of measurement of a ship's weight representing the weight of water it displaces, equal to 2,240 pounds or 35 cubic feet (0.99 cu m). • (also freight ton) a unit of weight or volume of sea cargo, equal to a metric ton (1,000 kg) or 40 cubic feet. • (also gross ton) a unit of gross internal capacity, equal to 100 cubic feet (2.83 cu. m). • (also net or register ton) an equivalent unit of net internal capacity. • a unit of refrigerating power able to freeze 2,000 pounds of water at 0°C in 24 hours. • a measure of capacity for various materials, especially 40 cubic feet of timber. 2 (usually a ton of/tons of) informal a large number or amount: all of a sudden I had tons of friends | that bag of yours weighs a ton. ton: short for metric ton
So it's not wrong according to the dictionary.
Aww it's not a thing..
I couldn't think of a better way to describe it.
It's when people listen to the really loud heavy music and bang their heads forward and backward throwing their long hair everywhere.
On VHS's, the image didn't really stay still when you paused it. It jumped around up and down.
HAL was a Boom-Mic. Cleverly disguised of course.
My mistake, link has been resurrected.
It's also important to realize that the equipment they were working with was also not HD. Film cameras started getting an HD video tap only a few years before digital HD took off as the preferred format for acquisition.
Directors typically had a really terrible standard def video feed usually made worse by going through a wireless system. Only the camera operator had a really good idea of the final image.
So it isn't even that they were being lazy but that they probably didn't see it either.
The first movie had a lot less CGI than people remember, my old roommate worked motion capture on the Matrix movies and the game and he really didn't do a lot on the first one but the 2nd and 3rd kept him busy for years. The first one had a lot of composites and wire work and models, the later ones had stuff like 30 CGI Agent Smiths on screen at the same time that required a lot of motion capture and Neo flies a lot. Compositing technology got a lot better during production of the series and made tracking and removal of stuff faster, easier and cheaper.
Just came across this pic cleaning my photo library the other day. This is what we'd wear to shoot the 'car grille pushes to camera' shots, I'd assume they're all cg now.
It's not like you see boom mics everywhere in movies from the 40s/50s/60s. I'd say in the end it's more about perfectionism on the part of the cinematographer or director than time period.
I'm willing to bet there are zero visible boom mics in all of Kubrick's films, for example.
Just don't try to defend Fahrenheit and we're cool.
Good point. In that scene they could have used something like vertical pillarboxes that gradually shrink, getting the frame back into full width.
Or they could have just zoomed the picture in a little bit so you don't see the other person and then pulled out after the gag
That's just aptly named headbanging, not moshing.
yeah, and steve buscemi was a firefighter on 9/11 and leo actually cut his hand in django :p
just messing with you, thought of that scene as well ;)
The thing the gets me is that a film like the matrix, with aaaallllllll of the cgi muscle they had to flex, had to resort to the old smoke ‘n mirrors trick to cover up the reflection of a camera. I’ve never worked video editing on this tier but it is really hard for me to imagine they didn’t have the time or money to just erase the camera from a pivotal doorknob shot.
But what if the camera didn’t exist in the first place, and the whole coat over the camera bit was inserted in post-production to make the scene seem more realistic and believable for those who were (are?) currently IN the matrix????
This is it. Her hand and her hand are different. If you look at the "reflection" you can see her hand waiver JUST A LITTLE, and not in the hand reaching for the mirror.
The metric tonne is 1,000kg
Another term for 1,000kg is megagram (Mg), which sounds way cooler to me.
If I wanted an extra 93kgs of communism I would pay for it.
sleep tight op. U win the internets today
I assumed they put the camera behind one way glass and opened the lens a few stops
Any info on how they did that?
Nowadays it is a "simple" thing to do with some postprocessing.
I love Malcolm in the Middle! That second pic is pretty funny, actually.
I still can't see it -_-
Fact: That scene is happening in a computer Fact: Minecraft is on Computers
They probably just rendered the wrong sun that day.
Yeah, the bean. Where they walk under it (i think?) and there's no visible camera in the reflection, and then they're looking into it.
Crew shooting commercials and not wanting to appear in reflections? Same with stop motion too, wearing black clothing to not introduce any flicker from bounce light, or step behind scrim.
That's like the note from futurama that says something along the lines of "if you are freeze framing this, you are a nerd"
Viggo broke his toe kicking the helmet guys
Right before the Burly Brawl scene in Reloaded you can also see a lighting apparatus in Hugo Weaving's left sunglass lens here
Is it Morpheus' bottom half?
I didn't, that's true. It's because I'm trying to go though as many comments as I can.
If you were watching that on dvd, it was probably because that’s the first dvd you bought, right after the thing to play it. That movie was so cool looking on any available gear, you wouldn’t even notice a thing like that
I haven't noticed any errors in the Wire. What do you mean by it's a great example?
Probably the latest a movie with this budget would have been made and something like that wouldn't have been edited out.
There are also many of those details in the trivia section on IMDB. However, I'm not accusing you for anything. When I see details like this I go over to IMDB to have it confirmed - very interesting stuff.
At least you never dressed yourself as a car seat:
Excellent. This gives me an excuse to watch this movie again. It's been years.
Evil Dead and Friday the 13th both have parts where it's pretty damn clear the windows are covered up to make it look like it's nighttime out.
I didn't notice the half of a tie. I thought it was all just his actual tie.
That's super neato!
The directors couldn't have predicted that in the future, people could watch the movie on a HD screen inches from their face.
HDTV technology was introduced in the late '80s, the standard was finalized in 1993, the first HDTV program was broadcast in 1996, and the first HDTV television sets went on sale to the public in 1998. The Matrix came out in 1999.
It's foolish to say that they couldn't have predicted something that was already a certainty by the time the film was made. HDTV was going to happen.
Thank you. I think that's a compliment.