The U.S. ambassador to the Netherlands finally admits 'no-go zone' claims were false

The U.S. ambassador to the Netherlands finally admits 'no-go zone' claims were false
The U.S. ambassador to the Netherlands finally admits 'no-go zone' claims were false

He admitted he was "shocked" by statements he made into a fucking camera, a week into refusing to comment on ever having said it, and calling the implication fake news?

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No, he's not shocked he said that. The shock he had was when the Netherlands press corps wouldn't let him get away with his lies and then lying about lying.

He denied everything even with video evidence and called it fake news. It makes you wonder how many times Trump claimed "fake news" when it was actually the truth. How deep in denial do you have to be to honestly think everything against Trump and his administration is fake news when there are so many situations exactly like this one.

This is what a free press does to politicians who lie.

Kudos to the Dutch and their reporters for not letting this shit fly!

It makes you wonder how many times Trump claimed "fake news" when it was actually the truth.

Not really. If Trump claims fake news you know it's the truth...just one he either does not like or one he cannot publicly admit to.

Notice how he has never claimed fake news on something positive about himself?

When you have a country with a functional education system, that's what tends to happen.

Reminds me of Trump's first press conference in Germany where he gave his usual evading bullshit answer to questions and the entire gathered press just laughed at his stupidity.

Too little, too late. He lost a lot of goodwill that will be really hard for him to win back.

The Dutch press will show these recordings every time he will be in the news, because that is how he entered our consciousness.

The headline is misleading. He said that he confused the netherlands with another country. What country? Isis?

And the fact that he chose to release his explanation through “De Telegraaf” a populist , rightwing tabloid that has historically supported the nazi’s in wwii says enough.

I think there's a lot of stupidity and malice.

This is the problem with Trump administration officials. It's not that they get things wrong. It's their attitude about these things.

First, he didn't just say that the report was wrong. He called it "fake news." In a world where there is so much actual fake news, it's appalling to call anything done by actual journalists fake news.

Then, when it was absolutely clear that he had said the things he was accused of having said, he simply was not able to say "I made a mistake, and I regret it." Simple as that. People know that people make mistakes, and it is a sign of being a normal, healthy person to be able to say, "Yeah, I got that one wrong. Sorry."

But this administration seems to have a ban on that sort of thing. And that's what's so insulting about people like Sean Spicer and Sarah Sanders. And of course, Trump himself.

Trumpism is racism. End of story.

Which country?

Any other paper would've asked this question, which is why he went to de Telegraaf..

This needs more upvotes. Comprehensive access to higher education would solve like 90% of the problems in the US. Thank fuck I'm European.

Good, and the rest of the world needs to follow suit. Hound them with this, never let it go, never give them breathing room to draw the next breath that will become the next lie.

Netherlands, not Norway.

Well, after reading Fire & Fury, I'd say it's more likely that Trump has been told by his advisers that the news is fake. Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity; and pretty much anything Trump does is adequately explained by stupidity.

Trump has always been very stupid, the only reason he has any wealth today is because :

1) Daddy gave him millions of dollars as start up capital

2) His "businesses" were just covers for his real business - money laundering for Russian mafia.

3) He has declared bankruptcy 5+ times, by borrowing money he bever intended to pay back and then declaring bankruptcy. He is such a bad businessman that American banks and financial institutions have refused to loan money to him

4) He created a fake charity to pay for personal expenses like his son's camp fees

5) He refuses to pay his creditors. Anyone who does business with him never gets paid what they are owed.

6) He refuses to pay any taxes and hides his wealth offshore

Trump is a crook through and through. He has never done an honest day's work in his life.

The problem is education.

American unis are also very different. Like, I'm in a STEM major in Germany, and we do have quite a few narrow-minded elitits, too. But most students around here are less preoccupied with jobs and making money, at least for the first few years of studying, because we don't have to deal with abhorrent debt along the way.

Also, people usually don't live on campus, there's no gates, no campus police, random people can sit in lectures if there's enough space and nobody bats an eye. Quite a few pensioners just start studying something out of interest, because why not? For them it is something like 800€ per semester.

Doesn’t mater to the base. There’s no such thing as hating immigrants too much.

Good for him. We need more of that. You make a mistake, you own up to him.

"we need more of that" ?

I wouldn't go that far. The guys conducted himself with little grace and dignity throughout this entire episode and had to be hauled into this position. What we need is more people who don't make such crass and completely unavoidable mistakes in the first place

Assasinations as in more than one? Pim Fortuyn was murder by a very, very white extreme left nutjob. The only political murder we've had from the muslim side was Theo van Gogh.

Good for him. We need more of that. You make a mistake, you own up to him.

Not really. This man basically made a bald faced lie on camera, was asked to retract in a personal interview, and chose to call the reporter fake news for saying that, and still didn't retract. Then in a press conference when asked about it again, he again claims that it's not a lie and he doesn't have to back it up, and that it's not worth discussing. Finally, assuming the Dutch people wouldn't give up on it, he releases a statement apologizing?

If this is how he behaves when caught in a demonstrably false lie, how many little lies does the man get away with?

End of story.

No, no. There's a lot more to the story than simple racism.

Every time some idiot says fake news they fully know that thing is true. Those lines are for the hardcore rightwingnuts that believe anything and only vote white. Its been winning them elections for a decade or more in some parts of the country.

The majority have gone complacent deciding staying home on election day is easier than paying any real attention to current events. Our education system is fucked, same with our political system, judicial is heading that way, only thing we've got left is the press and they're too busy fighting for advertisement dollars to do consistent in depth journalism. Not that most notice when it does happen.

Its becoming increasingly difficult to see any realistic change to any of the above, we just keep going further down the "alternative facts" time line.... I really wish Doc and Marty would hurry up and fix this shit... Fucking flux capacitors!

We got right wingers delivering their peaceful message to the masses via car here in the US as well.

Seems you lot have a lot in common, maybe you guys could have a luncheon or something, get to know each other.

Brietbart is that way --->

Or the fact that he's convinced the rest of the world that he doesn't know what he's doing, after amassing a massive real estate empire, and attending top universities, and listening to top advisers his whole life.

The problem is, you don't need to be smart or even know what you're doing to accomplish that. You just need money. Which Trump was born into, regardless of his claims that he was "self made". Money gets you into good schools, money allows you to purchase large amounts of real estate, money allows you to hire advisers who are competent, who can tell you how to invest your money to make more money.

This is the folly that got Trump elected in the first place. The belief that if a man is wealthy, it must mean he knows what he's doing. But in America, once you have a large enough amount of capital, making it grow isn't that difficult. The difficult part is getting that capital in the first place. It's super easy when you inherit it.

"This is Norway, you have to answer questions here."

I'm not sure even the ambassador was that confused

Hoekstra was a "journalist" for the far right wing blog Breitbart. His readers were the base voters for Trump

Oh fuck that logic. If we are going to judge people on hypothetical crimes, there's no end in sight.

US ambassador admits to lying

"WHAT ABOUT MUZLIMS"

"what about white supremacists"

"what about Muslims 2: electric Boogaloo"

We need to go deeper. What about Tom Hanks?

Right wingers across the US are now confused and still uninformed.

I couldn't disagree more. Trump and Bush both had the same act. Act like a stupid person, who's incapable of malice. Then, when they, and their friends make billions of dollars... the people think it was "by accident", because no way that village idiot could have pulled off something that requires an iota of intelligence.

Not sure what is more impressive, on Trump's part. The fact that he convinced his constituency that he's not an elitist, simply by wearing a white trash hat. Or the fact that he's convinced the rest of the world that he doesn't know what he's doing, after amassing a massive real estate empire, and attending top universities, and listening to top advisers his whole life.

I remember when this happened a little more than a decade ago with Bush, freshly. All he had to do was go out and mispronounce a few works, and people instantly forgot his close ties to the Bin Ladin Family, and the fact that he and his friends made BILLIONS by driving up the price of oil 300%, by falsely invading Iraq, by falsely connecting Iraq to Al Qaeda.

If Bush didn't act so stupid, he very likely would have been charged with multiple warcrimes.

Ask yourself... how stupid would Trump REALLY need to be, to do all the things he's done? I mean... not to be offensive... but anybody with decent mental faculties, that isn't mentally handicapped, would know not to call the rest of the world "shithole" countries. Or to attack a Mexican Judge based on his heritage. Or various other things he did, that most 8th graders would know better than to do. I mean, the tweets are a dead give-away. This is obviously not a case of lacking intelligence, but rather a case of acting unintelligent... and he's over-selling it.

He put on this dog and pony show, to convince his base he wasn't Bush 3.0(even complete with meaningless, but high profile attacks on Jeb Bush). Little did he know, the liberals were going to fall for it hook, line, and sinker, as well.

Most cities in America have areas you don't want to go into.

Lets be clear: black, Muslim, Hispanic, Asian, Martian, whatever race, nationality, religion, sexuality, or creed, many Trump supporters are fine with as long as they choose to legally immigrate, follow the rule of law, and contribute to society.

Which is why Trump's supporters are protesting his ending of protections for Haitians and El Salvadorans, etc. Because it's not about racism or xenophobia it's about.. uh... well they are in the US legally.. oh right, if we repeal the law letting them be there legally, they're suddenly there ILLEGALLY. Yay! Get out you damned illegals!

Please don't pretend that Trumpism is about adhering to the rule of law. Trumpism is about racism, nationalism, and xenophobia. If it was just about the rule of law, they wouldn't be changing the laws in order to make being foreign illegal.

He admitted it because of relentless hounding of the local press. Our press corps could learn something from them.

As one of their reporters told him, "This is Norway, you have to answer questions here."

Ambassadors aren't supposed to do anything "for the base".

You are delusional

what about the per capita stats of who is most likely to murder their dad during dinner after calling him a leftist pedophile lmao

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/milo-yiannopoulos-intern-lane-davis-kill-father...

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Yeah, but you can hardly blame muslims for Fortuyn, can you?

And when they do correct themselves, they do it halve assed, claiming there was a slight error (in this case geographical in nature) but the core information was still valid.

THe correct follow up question would have been "And which country did you confuse "your second country" with".

They are always trying to have it both ways. On the one hand because of his personal history he is a prime candidate to work in the Netherlands, on the other he just "slightly confused" the Netherlands with another unnamed country, which also doesn't have no go zones and burning politicians.

You're right. It's also the deliberate spreading of propaganda and keeping the base "angry".

"Yes, I'm totally shocked that I said those things and was recorded. That was incorrect. Just shocking, I tell you. Totally not my fault."

His getting into office isn't exactly something the free press could have prevented. It was a choice made by Trump. Once Trump got into power, no amount of free press would have stopped it. Hoekstra could have eaten live kittens for dinner, and still would have gotten into office.

That's baseless conjecture, and I suspect you know it.

Go to /sub/thenetherlands and read the original article. I’ll quote the relevant piece for you

Ik heb landen door elkaar gehaald. Ik had het fout, en ik weet niet meer hoe dat heeft kunnen gebeuren. Ik weet wel: het was fout.”

Translation: I had the countries mixed up. It was inaccurate and I don’t know how this could have happend. I know one thing: it was wrong.

An more accurate headline would be along the lines “Hoekstra claims he mixed up the netherlands with another country and retracts his statements”.

Malicious stupidity if you will.

It wasn’t a mistake, he lied. Then lied about saying it, several times. I hope it does follow him for the rest of his career, so that everyone knows to fact check literally everything he says.

It's not even higher education. The administration is attacking the public school system at the grade school level. That tax reform they just passed made it more expensive for teachers to buy supplies for their classes by removing a tax credit.

Goodness.

Someone's been taking lessons in helpful, innit.

Basically, the scam he ran in AC, and NYC was as follows.

He would buy an expensive piece of property, or a massive building that needed renovations. Then, he would take out MASSIVE loans, and use this borrowed money to bolster the idea that he had money to pay people back.

Then, he would start RIDICULOUSLY expensive renovations(I'm sure you've heard stories about gold toilets). After using up all of the borrowed money, he would often try to borrow more, and get MORE expensive renovations done. Then, he'd sell the property to a friend, or business-partner, for pennies on the dollar, and declare bankruptcy, which would erase the massive loans. Banks who gave him the loans, and people who did the work on the Casinos often got stiffed completely.

So now, his friend would have a FINE piece of expensive property, with LAVISH renovations, all bought for pennies on the dollar, because Trump sold it to them cheap... not caring how much he got for it, because he was declaring bankruptsy anyway.

Then, the friend gives Donald a part of the profits from the scheme(AFTER he declares bankruptcy), and he starts it all over again. This was done in Atlantic City more times than I can count... and it wasn't just Donald... others did it as well.

So, eventually American Banks stopped lending to Donald Trump. And that's how his connections to Russian Banks/Oligarchs began.

Yet he got into office and the people believed in and he promoted harmful ideology and caused significant damage to society.

It's too late now. The damage is gone. There is no justice.

Everything this administration is doing must be rolled back on and all people goberning with them should be disowned and jailed.

Yeah, there's a whole bunch of xenophobia, unwarranted narcissism, corruption, and incompetence involved too!

My main reason for hating the term "fake news" is because of how much it is used by people to dismiss things they simply don't like or don't want to accept. It's practically a stalling technique for childish adults who hope bad things just go away.

The bare and pure truth is politically correct tomfoolery?

Oh, you're a peach.

Believe me... I've known about trump for longer than most. I grew up in NJ, right near Atlantic City.

Do you realize though, that doing all of these borderline illegal things, creating fake charities, paying NO taxes, when 99% of America does... are not signs of stupidity, but rather "evil" cleverness?

Do you realize that his declaring bankrupsy, like you said, was planned all along, and that he managed to outsmart banks on MANY occasions, resulting in net profits?

I dislike Trump Very much. Have for Decades... because unlike many people, I've been following him for that long. But, you're confusing being a BAD person, with being a STUPID person.

If Trump is below average intelligence... and it's really thatt easy to pay no Tax, and to rip off American Financial Institutions without serving a single day in jail... then why aren't all rich people doing these things?

The answer is, because it's not easy to do without getting caught. And if you mess up one bit, and say one wrong word at the wrong time... you go to jail. The idea that Trump went that long living on the legal fence, without messing up once... but now he can't even control his thoughts/speech, is unbelievable to me.

If Trump is below average intelligence... and it's really thatt easy to pay no Tax, and to rip off American Financial Institutions without serving a single day in jail... then why aren't all rich people doing these things?

All rich people are doing these thing, in regards to taxes.

Many rich people are interested in long term accumulation of wealth, which requires good relation with your creditors. Trump only seems to be interested in maintaining a personal life style and an image of wealth.

Do you realize that his declaring bankrupsy, like you said, was planned all along, and that he managed to outsmart banks on MANY occasions, resulting in net profits?

I think we would absolutly would love some citations of his net profits. From my personal understanding, he has lost significant wealth since his inheretance. I do not have sitations for this understanding, so I would love something more solid.

Edit:citations*

Indeed there is. That’s why I called it a populist, right wing tabloid that historically has supported the nazi party, not a neo nazi paper. The parent company of the telegraph owns geenstijl and that is the dutch equivalent of breitbart.

It’s a low effort tabloid that pushes a divisive agenda.

It's baseless because you are basing it on nothing but conjecture haha

The guy who wants to buy Nazi coins would know.

Do you have a video clip of that? I'd like to see it for schadenfreude purposes

The entirety of America is a no go zone as far as I'm concerned.

yeah if you people could stop changing definitions to suit your point that would be great.

The original idea behind the so called no-go zones were that even the police were not willing to enter them, not that the area has an annoyingly high crime rate. Of course it turned out, like most things said by the right wing, that it didnt exist.

But here is your chance: list an area that you consider a no-go zone in the US. Just one.

As far as I know, in the interview he said he mixed up the Netherlands with some other countries aka the "but it was still true but somewhere else" defense.

Seems like "ambassador" is one of those jobs where, if you hear nothing about it, he's doing a good job. The fact that this guy's fuckups have such a high news profile is really legendary.

It was either an intentional malicious lie or the guy is too uninformed and idiotic to hold his position.

Thanks. I thought it was just me that read that as if he was surpised by his own words almost as if they were beyond his control. Fucking idiot.

On Friday Mr Hoekstra finally admitted to Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf that he had made the remarks, to a right wing gathering in the US, and said he was "shocked" by them.

"That was a wrong statement. That was just wrong," Mr Hoekstra said, adding that it was "clearly that was an inaccurate statement".

"That one shocked me personally ... because while you know there have been other issues in other countries in Europe, you know that has never been the circumstances here," he said.

I don't know if my country deserves props as much as the US should get... unprops(?) for not doing the same.

This kind of behaviour just goes against all common sense over here.

racism is the cement that binds all his supporters together, which might have some other issues, but racism, racism is what it is.

Yes you are, but you're not going to change your mind and I don't feel like another useless discussion, so believe whatever the hell you want dude.

By requiring politicians to tell the truth under threat of journalistic backlash? You think that’s a bad thing? Jesus Christ.

Lets be clear: black, Muslim, Hispanic, Asian, Martian, whatever race, nationality, religion, sexuality, or creed, many Trump supporters are fine with as long as they choose to legally immigrate, follow the rule of law, and contribute to society. Meanwhile If a white person illegally immigrates, kick them out and never let them back in.

"It's about who they are, not where they come from!"

Seriously, Haiti is 163 out of 188 on the human development index.

"We don't want people who come from poor places"

So he didn't correct the lie, he just diverted it. He's still a lying piece of shit.

Which makes him a perfect ambassador on behalf of Trump.

Guarantee you they aren’t following this news, and if they are, it’s “fake news” and the Europeans are just “out to get us” etc etc etc, continue echo chamber etc

He was wrong, but not as far from the truth as everyone thinks.

He lied on camera about something that he said minutes before.

There aren't no-go areas,

So he lied.

but we definitely have areas you don't want to enter

Okay, I live in Poland. You know, 95%+ white country, 3/4 Catholic?

There are areas many people wouldn't want to enter, either. Our crime statistics aren't bad (pretty much average for EU), there are almost no immigrants that I know of, and yet there are parts of cities I would avoid. Hell, sometimes I feel less safe among my countrymen than I did on vacations in Japan, a similarly homogeneous country.

Areas people avoid != no-go zones, no matter how you put it.

On Friday Mr Hoekstra finally admitted to Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf that he had made the remarks, to a right wing gathering in the US, and said he was "shocked" by them.

"That was a wrong statement. That was just wrong," Mr Hoekstra said, adding that it was "clearly that was an inaccurate statement".

"That one shocked me personally ... because while you know there have been other issues in other countries in Europe, you know that has never been the circumstances here," he said.

He hasn't stated that everything is rosy across Europe, but in respect to the country he is the ambassador to he is retracting his statements. It took him far too long and I don't agree with everything he said in it, but I don't think the title is misleading - he admits that the no go zones he previously spoke of do not exist in the Netherlands, and that what he said was 'just wrong'.

The only reason he gets away with it is because of a) the mafia he launders money for, and b) his connections c) name recognition, d) he bullies and intimidates those who oppose him, e) corruption of USA govt departments like IRS, FBI who only go after easy targets (ie the little guy).

This thread doesn't exist

Try not to shoot up a mosque

It took quite a fair bit of time and persistence, but finally, the truth has prevailed. The Dutch are nothing if not persistent when something catches their attention. The ambassador should just have relented right then and there. He could have saved face, at least. Now, he'll always be remembered as someone who just blurts out whatever lies comes into mind, and blames the other side when he's found out. In other words, a Trump crony. A shill. He will find no friends outside of the PVV and the FvD crowd.

They are definitely not all racist.

wrong. Each one of them is. They voted for an outspoken racist that means they agree with it. Show some personal responsibility.

black, Muslim, Hispanic, Asian, Martian, whatever race, nationality, religion, sexuality, or creed, many Trump supporters are fine with as long as they choose to legally immigrate

nope. The campaign promises were directed at Latinos and Muslims. We got tons of illegals from Ireland but not a word was directed at them, because they are white christians. Your god just got quoted saying he didnt want immigrants from "shitholes" and all the haitians have aids.

Bring on claims of racism and your downvotes, but framing every single issue as race based will only lead to further polarization.

thats rich coming from a person who supported jailing their political opponent.

it also helped that every other reporter in the room backed up the question. when he went silent and his press secretary or whoever kept asking "are there any other questions" EVERYONE said yes, but he hasn't answered the question. or "this is not how this works here." in america the next reporter would have just asked a different question cause they would want their publication or network to have their question answered.

Or perhaps Trump supporters don't agree with mass immigration from people who will be a drain on society.

So it is NOT about legal immigration as you tried to claim? Woah. I'm shocked.

Oh no, silly me i forgot to mind my micro-aggressions before arguing with far-right wingers again. I know how sensitive you guys can be.

I better go apologize, im sure you're all fine people.

We got right wingers delivering their peaceful message to the masses via car here in the US as well.

Don't forget that one guy who shot up what was it, 48 dead people and almost 500 wounded?

ONE. PERSON. In one night. Amassed more deaths than all the terrorist attacks in entire Europe in a year.

I think you two are both right tbh

I can see what you’re saying, but what really convinced me that Trump and a large portion of Trump voters are racist is the fact that during the Charlottesville incident, Trump mentioned violence on “both sides” rather than strongly condemning the Nazi white Nationalists who killed a girl, and what’s worse, Trump supporters and Fox News supported what he said.

If they weren’t racist, condemning and disavowing white nationalism is a slam dunk - it’s easy to do, and a clear condemnation of racism, but Trump and his supported largely did not, meaning they are racist.

He's seems to be going downhill, but I don't think he was ever intelligent. Tony Scwartz(the real author of Art of The Deal) spent 18 months with him in the 80's, and believes Trump was an imbecile back then.

Did that bash give you a hard on? He may have put it strongly, but the partisan bias in US news reporting is clear to basically most Europeans. It is not absent in countries like the Netherlands, but the USA seems to want to make it an art form. Fox news is basically propaganda, for example.

30,000 of which live right in my metro area. This of course ignores all the ones working on student visas.

But hey they arent brown or muslim so you dont care. You were quite clear during the election and in your own comments what you care about.

Here in the US we have a public education system where you’re obligated to pledge allegiance to a flag

you are a racist so I have no problem calling you one. I am sure you have convinced yourself you are not one but facts remain. Sadly, you dont live in a world where you can scream fake news and facts go away.

Well then everybodies confused as he is in The Netherlands

You're parroting idiotic talking points about legal immigration to deflect attention from the fact that Trump's appeal lies in his racism.

If the US government moved to legalise the status of every illegal immigrant in the country and lift controls on immigration from countries whose government or economy the US has sabotaged in the past, such as Haiti and most of Latin America, tomorrow, you would be very unhappy with the impending stream of legal immigration and you know it.

Because you're racist.

63 million people voted for Trump. They are definitely not all racist.

Yes, you are. Every last one of you. At least have the courage of your convictions and own it instead of making laughable claims.

(Please don't insult our intelligence further by trying to claim you didn't vote for Trump in some sad attempt to demonstrate 'neutrality' on the subject.)

My point is moreso along the lines of this. Trump has TONS of business in various countries. Many in the Middle East. Many people in those places are VERY religious, and very sensitive. In some of these places, drugs get life sentences. Talking a certain way gets you thrown in jail. Trump was able to navigate these waters for years, successfully, while many others could not.

This is more due to his toddler like lifestyle than any level of cunning. His vices are KFC and getting two scoops for dessert, he doesn't drink and he likely doesn't do drugs. His lifestyle goes very well with the views of rich middle easterners. He treats women as second class citizens, he loves to show off his wealth, and his vices are rather mild.

Trump succeeded in business ventures in the Middle East because he looked up to the rich Saudis, whereas most western businessmen find them somewhat distasteful.