Lol I'd actually be fine with it being spent discouraging abortion in a proven way, like I don't know PROVIDING FREE BIRTH CONTROL.
During the Obama administration, the abortion rate actually fell to the lowest point since the procedure became legal nationwide in 1973. It fell by 14% just between 2011 and 2014, during the time period that the birth control mandate went into effect. Link.
The democratic party did more to reduce the number of abortions in 8 years than the Republicans have done by screaming about it for the past 4 decades.
I know a great program that has had proven success in reducing the number of women seeking abortions: it's called birth control.
You want to discourage abortion? Fund sex education and make health coverage include birth control. Simple as that.
Unless this fight is really less about abortion and more about controlling women's bodies....🤔
But listening and understanding this takes more thought than "ALL PLANNED PARENTHOOD DOES IS KILL BABIES!!!!!"
So unfortunately, they'll never listen.
Edit: I'm getting notifications that y'all are responding to this but I'm on mobile and can't see them for some reason.
People always bring this up. Republicans don't want that. Their agenda is not protecting babies, it's about enforcing their own morality. View everything through that lens, and their actions make sense, from a Machiavellian perspective.
I’m a medical provider and I was put at one of those creepy clinics where they make it look like a obgyn but really it’s an ultrasound and then they tell you about Jesus and try to talk you out of an abortion. It was horrifying so think of someone walking in there with the wrong idea. Didn’t see any actual patients there. That’s where there money is probably going.
This was in California too!
The establishment of the EPA.
Modern Republicans hate it, however.
Serious question: what GOP policies have been widely popular and for the benefit of the majority of people in the country?
Edit: seems the replies are being deleted. I'd really like to know so if you have a serious reply please feel free to pm me.
Edit: I can see the replies now. If someone helped figure that out thank you!
You know what costs more than abortions and discouraging abortions?
Wellfare for all the unwanted kids born (statistically) into homes that can't afford them to (statistically) uneducated mothers.
The Americans with Disabilties Act was championed by the first President Bush, who actively sought support from both Democrats and Republicans in Congress.
The ADA doesn’t only benefit disabled persons. It provides protection to people who may become disabled in the future (i.e.: everyone). And it makes it much easier for disabled persons to participate in the workforce and to earn a living, reducing dependency on welfare programs. Also, it enables the disabled to contribute to the economy.
your health coverage doesn't include birth control? ...what the fuck america
Yeah they'd rather just have sex with kids. Less odds of pregnancy.
Here's the thing, they don't actually explain their policies. They incite fear, take advantage of ignorance, and capitalize on anger. They blurt out feel-good rah-rah my country, my property, cut taxes, boost military, keep our guns, immigrants and minorities are moocher welfare queens, and stop the baby-murdering democrats. None of their policies line up with well established science or research, but they don't need facts, they are the party of feels over reals.
"...the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."
-Hermann Göring, 1947
How often do you see the right claiming there is a war on Christmas, or white men, or religious freedom, or that Sharia Law will consume America, or kneeling in protest is unpatriotic? The right believes they are under attack, their way of life is under attack, but they've been told it is caused by illegals and minorities when it is, in reality, the ultra rich sucking the country dry.
Most plans do. Now. But some want to change that. Guess who?
Millenials are already on track for being the most anti-child generation in a long time anyways.
We don't want to have kids in this shitshow anyway. We can barely afford moving out of our parent's homes.
We can barely afford a college tuition and the lifetime of debt that comes attached.
How in the fuck do our parents and grandparents generation expect us to be able to afford children?
Edit: all replies to my comments aren’t showing up. Don’t know what is going on.
Edit 2: It seems like automod delete is on or something. I can't find any responses more recent than 2 or 3 hours ago and yet I just got pop up notificiation from mobile reddit from a reply saying that the moderators are in the thread heavily. It seems to me that every comment is being deleted instantaneously.
Or you know, great real sexual education that doesn't concentrate only on abstinence.
Free iud’s. Just have easy low cost access to birth control and abortion rates plummet.
Considering that Texas is nearly $400 billion in debt, this expenditure seems like poor financial management.
Their debt is up to about $12k for every man woman and child.
They have nearly four million welfare recipients so they definitely need to distribute birth control and stop this type of nonsense.
EDIT: I looked up the numbers they're $372 billion in debt owing $13,329 for every man woman and child. They have 3.7 million food stamp recipients and their debt is increasing by roughly $84 billion per year. Their debt to GDP ratio is higher than California, Maryland, New York, Massachusetts, Connecticut, New Jersey, Oregon, Washington, etc. etc.
Interestingly, their yearly increase in debt is greater than Puerto Rico's total national debt.
I still don't honestly get how womens' abortions are other peoples' business.
How far back are we going here?
-The Emancipation Proclamation under Lincoln is probably the greatest GOP accomplishment.
-Women's right to vote
-Desegregation of schools
-Interstate highway system
When their side chick gets pregnant, they have no problem encouraging her to get an abortion. Not all Republicans are hypocrites, but most hyprocrites seem to be Republicans.
That is most definitely where the money is going at least in my state. I would hope for better from California but am not particularly surprised.
As a a relatively fresh clinician I am increasingly horrified by the lack of anatomical and health awareness of the general public. It's not a judgment on them; I feel sad thinking that so many people are getting shuffled around in a system that fails to educate its youth and subsequently fails to allow sufficient time for patient education to make up for lost education.
there is evidence that the availability of abortion is responsible for our falling crime rate since 1990 [when the unwanted pregnancy kids would have turned 17]
Republicans don't believe in that
This is what people don't understand when I say I'm socially liberal but fiscally conservative. Implemented correctly some socialist programs save everyone money or they're supposed to at least.
your health coverage doesn't include birth control? ...what the fuck america
Our government assistance won't cover the cost of household cleaning supplies or laundry care to promote clean living standards but I can buy candy and convenience store sandwiches (Cold only)...we don't have the best priorities.
I'd say I'm anti-abortion, but pro-choice. As in I wouldn't choose an abortion outside a seriously ill fetus or danger to the mother. But if you want one none of my business.
So go ahead and spend money reducing the need for abortions. This means birth control, family planning, sex education, and general education and health. Studies have shown that better educated mothers mean lower birth rate.
On that subject, I believe we should have free education for all - and I don't mean this charter stuff. I'm in favor of the charter movement or choice ideas, but not when it is just a method to funnel public money to schools for good students or religious studies. Go ahead and have those schools with the same services (bus, after school activities, lunch, special education) and public school. And yes, same accountability and purchasing rules.
And pre-school funded by the state would be good to get those kids a healthy start. Full day kindergarten.
Finally, let's give those babies health care until at least 18 outside of their parents pockets. You wanted them to have them, you pay for them. I'm for single payer health care (to some minimum, maybe with private for care above the minimum).
So yes, lets spend more money on preventing abortions. And lets spend money in the right place on those that didn't get aborted.
They believe the woman is literally committing murder. It’s easy to disagree with that position, but it should likewise be easy to understand why the people who believe it feel that they have a moral obligation to step in wherever possible. They think they are saving an innocent life from death.
The myth that republicans believe in small government and fiscal responsibility is a joke. As long as the money is going to support war, corporations, or right wing ideals they will go above and beyond. They will happily over fund in any of these cases.
You have to go all the way back to nixon I think. THe clean air and water acts were good for the country.
But the modern GOP is absolutely nothing like the nixon/raegen gop.
They were already sloping down into madness under nixon. They've just continued to keep falling faster and faster.
I cant imagine this shit. What the fuck is wrong with the religious conservatives in this country? Is it something in their water? Like why on earth would any women who's already made the extremely difficult emotional decision to seek an abortion and then physically go there suddenly decide "oh, yes tell me more about this Jesus guy and why I should change my mind about something very serious".
Its got to be the water quality I'm telling you. Test all the water in the shitty rural red states versus the places were people actually go to school.
Ummmmm, wait hold on I know this one!
Is it the...Cheetoh man in office?
Or establishing safe homes for relinquished children.
Exactly. It’s common sense that providing free birth control would curb abortion rates. But our Texas legislature doesn’t practice common sense.
My insurance covered birth control, then all of a sudden my birth control began costing me each month. I had to prove that my pills were for Endometriosis purposes for it to be free again, because if they were just so I didn't get pregnant I'd still be paying.
I saved this a long time ago. Credit goes to /u/tonediaz
This is what I can't understand about the Conservative Right...I mean, other than the fact that they want it their way all the time.
One of the main ideals of the Conservative Republicans is LESS government control over the population. Yet they want to make Abortions illegal AND Birth Control illegal, all based on their religious beliefs; even though the Constitution states: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."
Then there are the Conservative Republicans that complain about poverty stricken families that "can't afford to raise their kids" and "abuse welfare"; yet they want to take away access to birth control and abortions.
There is so much irony in being a republican and thinking you know what's best for the well being of the average person that some days it just eats me up inside.
Devil's advocate: some people see abortions as murder and they feel the have an ethical obligation to stop them. They just go about it completely wrong since they don't want to admit birth control is more effective than Bible thumping.
As a guy with family from Texas, I pray for the day I stop seeing the word "Texas" associated with ridiculous Republican actions. It's almost like they're trying to hold onto the stigma at this point
Warren Buffett is doing everything he can to make this happen.
but but they... "saved" a life (imo you're better off never being born than living a miserable life in poverty and resented by your parents)
in the same breath, women (or families) who rely on welfare and government programs are lazy and mooching off taxpayers so...
Because we don't own our bodies, our father does until we're married and then our husband does.
Begrudgingly adopting liberal ideas, fifty years later
A lot of people view abortions as murder of innocents who can't fight for themselves. So they take up the torch to fight for them
The problem is that people with that sentiment don't try to understand why women want abortions and may not view it as murder like they do.
They spend money and time to talk about why it's wrong instead of trying to prevent unwanted pregnancy in the first place or making it easier and more acceptable to come to term when they do get pregnant. It's difficult to change people's minds, but way easy to shift behavior by creating a path of least resistance
Last month's birth control rx cost was $120 after being free for most of year. Insurance co changed their formulary list. Surprise!!!
That's a very damaging attitude to have toward red states. They aren't all uneducated, barefoot, right wing voters. There are left leaning/feminist folk here just like anywhere else.
Don't attack the voters, that won't do any good in the long run.
Can't tell if you're kidding or not, but a lot of people underestimate how conservative California as a whole can be. Bakersfield and Fresno aren't that different culturally or politically from Lubbock or Amarillo.
A Christian Republican? 100% yes, they seem to think fucking over low income families and women is what was taught by Jesus.
Want to spend money on stopping abortions?
Funnel it into promoting adoption, foster care, contraception, sex-ed, and prenatal care.
Aka make it easier to prevent pregnancy or come to term.
It’s not about controlling women it’s about controlling the poor.
I'm gonna name a few since you said serious question:Abolishing slavery (I know this one's really old but hell, I'd say it's been pretty good for America) The 19th amendement was drafted by republicans Susan B. Anthony and Elizabeth Standon. The Civil Rights Act of 1960 The Reagan Tax Cuts (Led to pretty solid economic growth) Welfare reform in 1996 passed by a republican congress Balanced Budget created by republican congress in 1998.
I'll raise you one and ask what Democratic policies have been widely popular and for the benefit of the majority of people in the country?
Edit: why can’t I see any replies? Edit 2: I've gotten a lot of replies about the "party switch." This is a gross oversimplification of why the parties flipped geographically. I know PragerU is right-leaning, but they make a good argument in this video.
Edit 3: I have 38 replies, but no way to actually look at them or engage in conversation. People are trying to discuss things with me and I can't be allowed to have a frank debate, what gives? If anyone has something to say you might have to PM me since I can't view the replies
Most do. Some don't. Mine doesn't (super conservative employer...). So I paid out of pocket despite being fully insured for BC. If I want an IUD or a Norplant, it is going to be a few paychecks.
Are you implying Republicans care about the poor?
Ok, but does it check the other critical boxes? Is it controversial? Are we 100% sure science was NOT used in creation of said program?
but it’s not about stopping abortion, it’s about punishing women for being sexual.
And that's on top of the millions of dollars the state spends every year defending unconstitutional anti-abortion laws. Laws that they knew damn good and well before they ever even wrote them would never hold up in court because other states had already tried and failed to pass the exact same laws.
Yet Texas consistently ranks at the bottom of the list when it comes to things like child poverty, education, access to healthcare for children, childhood hunger and pretty much everything that pertains to children.
No. I genuinely believe he doesn't give a fuck about this. He's a stupid dick but he's not really conservative in his ideals, just pro business in general.
Can't wait for the PSAs of new mothers gushing about crippling poverty.
Lol they don't care about that
I feel like at that point "fiscally conservative" is a truism; almost everyone would agree with intelligent, balanced budgets. When most people say "fiscally conservative," it ends up mostly being refusing to believe that any spending could have positive returns.
This is some of the most asinine shit I've ever seen. You want to prevent abortions, but you don't want to invest is the most surefire way to prevent pregnancy? What kind of drugs are these people on? I don't know if these people don't get this because they all live as sexless virgins or in sexless marriages, but people are gonna have sex. That's just the way it is. The world is not going to suddenly change so that no one has sex anymore, so why would you even waste your fucking time with anything other than birth control.
yeah as opposed to keeping the baby alive and providing, like, i don't know safe housing, support and/or adoption services to the mother if she can't provide for herself...
In the 1970's Richard Nixon's administration created the EPA.
Many of my peers (myself included) want socially liberal and financially conservative politics. I'm really hoping after baby boomers and politicians die off, we can have that...
I'd venture that it requires a lot of mental gymnastics to be a Republican without being a hypocrite.
Then they are going to complain why people are having children they can't raise and taking from the system.
LITERALLY every pregnancy is a danger to the mother, just for the record.
To explain it: Some people see the unborn child as a human, so the unborn baby also has rights in their eyes.
Maybe they should consider actually teaching kids about sex in schools. Maybe informed people make better decisions about their health and sexuality? Maybe Knowledge is power ???
And the GOP funding for this is where?
great programs or birth control?
Lol I just had a kid @ 24. I love the guy to death, but fuck I fear for the world he's going to live in. Oh yeah and I'm too broke to afford anything, I can barely pay rent let alone costs of this child. Thank God I have middle upper class parents to bail me out, $13/hr to pay for rent/internet/electricity/insurance AND baby stuff on top of all that just isn't enough.
Why not all of the above?
I’m with you all the way. Unfortunately, the anti-abortion programs funded with this bill would not go to sex ed or education, but religiously-based and factually inaccurate smear campaigns that include utter nonsense such as “abortions will give you breast cancer” and “having and raising a baby isn’t hard if you find strength in Jesus”.
This might seem like a dumb question, and I know that the right's opposition to abortion is linked to religion (right?), but why is this such an issue? The millions, hundreds of millions, of dollars they are spending fighting abortion laws makes me feel like I am missing something.
Unless this fight is really less about abortion and more about controlling women's bodies....🤔
For the same reason prostitution is still illegal. This is 100% of exerting control over women's bodies. Being pregnant, unfortunately, takes a lot of political and social power away.
And start thinking about making sure the child is raised in a healthy and loving environment.
Why are these men just focused on making sure women keep having babies but showing little concern about the impact of bringing an unwanted baby into this world.
really only closed borders if you want to consider that their policy. The fact is that increasing the lower class labor force indisputably hurts the lower class labor force. When ten people are all fighting for the same construction job, they end up bidding themselves down for back braking work.
'their' referring to the republicans in this case
From an European point of view, what is frightening is how far right the Republican are.
From here it looks every decision those guys make is to make your country regress in time.
What were these types of places called? There's "pregnancy clinics" where I live (as in, that's what they're called), and the website lists pregnancy tests, ultrasounds, adoption services, and low income family help. A friend of mine volunteered for one, and while many of the employees/volunteers were Christians, that wasn't something that was discussed with the patients. Their website and name we're transparent in the services they provided.
It's horrible that there are places that do deceive people, but also not all are like that.
Edit: I see there's some replies, but I can't see the contents. They may have been caught by the spam filter (mine was at first), so check with the mods.
What??? I’m aghast, I would never think such a thing would happen in California.
But... Sex outside of marriage is against God's will. That doesn't jive with the Grand Old Party. No sex ed, because it would seem like it's an endorsement.
They believe the woman is literally committing murder.
Except no matter how you argue this their position is either irrelevant or inconsistent, especially from a constitutional stand point. Christians aver that abortion is murder because of their religious belief that a soul enter the body upon conception. They say that the difference between sperm, an egg and a fertilized egg is the "soul". This is a religious objection to abortion and has no biological basis. The truth is there is very little difference between sperm, eggs or fertilized eggs. They are all just life providing clumps of cells at varying stages of the life creation process. To outlaw abortion on the principle that you are terminating human life makes as much sense as outlawing the spilling of sperm for any reason except when procreating. Christians however are not pushing a law to make it illegal to masturbate, or have sex with a condom, they are only trying to make a law that prevents women from exercising their reproductive rights.
When you defend the right wing's belief on abortion as murder, who have to specify that they have a religious objection to abortion, not an actual biological one. Because of the pretty clear separation of Church and State, this make the "abortion is murder" argument pretty much moot. Now Christian's have every right to speak out about abortion and attempt convince the hearts and minds of women that is abortion is wrong, but they don't have a legal right to pass laws that are religiously motivated. This is why the left is so steadfast on their opposition. We understand the right's position fully and we get why it doesn't make any sense legally.
tax breaks for the rich, cuz you know, trickle down. lol
What do you mean? Sometimes, abortions are just the best options. In a perfect world, we wouldn't need them, but sometimes we do.
Unless this fight is really less about abortion and more about controlling women's bodies....
I don't even think it's to control women's bodies. They just want to keep it as a talking point and wedge issue to fire up their conservative base to get more votes.
Save a life by discouraging abortion but let someone easily access guns and shoot 50 people. So depressing.
Yeah. Republican Jesus bears very little resemblance to Biblical Jesus.
If Jesus were to run for President, he would never win. - paraphrasing some comedienne on Netflix.
Quite the opposite. I'm saying that they care about money. The fact that the poor benefit from the facts of the situation is completely irrelevant.
If they wanted to save money, they'd allow abortion and invest in birth control.
I sadly dont know for sure. but will say lincoln was republican. So if you go back far enough.
I mean, there was the whole 13th Amendment and Proclamation 95. I think slavery no longer being legal is pretty popular amongst the majority of America.
A political uprising is desperately needed from these outdated dogs in office. It will be very difficult, since the state is rigged to appease people that wanted a transgender bathroom bill.
I follow Texas politics closely for my job. The population is changing dramatically, with it quickly becoming what will be a minority-majority state soon and increasingly urban - it’s not if, but when it will go purple to full blue. So they probably are trying to hold onto that stigma, honestly.
It may take a bit with Republicans likely drawing the maps again in 2020, but there are going to be some nasty legislative sessions once that is really becoming a reality. You could see the change you want soon.
Nailed it. My thoughts exactly.
Exactly. It's simple efficiency.
You either spend a little money making sure a situation does not occur or you spend a lot of money dealing with the consequences of the situation you did not prevent.
You got any serious replies pmed I'd be very interested