Reporter who doesn't like to be touched meets man who likes to touch. It's the showdown you didn't know you wanted to see

Reporter who doesn't like to be touched meets man who likes to touch. It's the showdown you didn't know you wanted to see

If anyone is interested, here is the backstory:

http://abc7news.com/archive/7453754/

It sounds like the Hospital Gift Fund, which was supposed to only be used for patients, was being used to buy meals and cater events for the Doctors and Nurses.

Reposting from below for a little higher visibility for those who are interested in the story.

Seeing the video made me interested in what the story was about. Turned out to be quite a scandal, and I am absolutely shocked by what happened:

In 2010, a doctor at Laguna Honda Hospital spent $100 bucks on tacos for the Spanish Focus ward patients, and was denied reimbursement because the $2 mil patient gift fund was nearing insolvency.

Two doctors looked into it and found that the fund had been mismanaged. Specifically, the gift fund for patients was being used to fund fancy lunches and airfare and pedometers and random shit for the staff and administrators. People donate to the fund because they believed the money went to the patients - they are some of the poorest in the city and some even panhandle at the door for small pleasures, such as a soda.

The doctors (both having worked for two decades at the hospital) filed a complaint to the ethics board. Three days later, one of the doctors was told that he was terminated.

Of course it didn't stop him from speaking out. I googled for updates on the case and lo and behold, in 2013, he settled for $750k in a wrongful termination suit. In addition to the money, a plaque was placed at the hospital recognizing his contributions.

I also know that some of the money siphoned from the fund were put back after the story broke.

However, I am still mad.

Why?

Because the hospital administrators with shitty morals used millions of dollars of funds dedicated to patients for themselves.

Because those administrators and city officials (including the city attorney, mayor and others) not only engaged in cover up, but also retaliated against the doctors who spoke up.

Because the patients who were meant to benefit from the gift fund were turned away as they walked past a fancy BBQ and couldn't even afford small comforts.

Because the residents of San Francisco had to pay for the disgraceful actions of the cover-up and retaliation.

Because the people responsible walked away unscathed.

Although I have nothing to do with the case or city, I have to say: thank you to the doctors, to the reporters and the people who at the very least, ensured that there is greater scrutiny over the management of this gift fund. Your work is commendable.

https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2013/04/03/18734642.php

The reporter kept his cool, but Mr. Touchy was very persistent. God, feel like an episode from the office.

Mr Touchy has perfect comedic timing.

I don't think Mr Touchy meant anything by it at first, but since he was trying to keep the guy away from the lady who repeatedly said she didn't want to be interviewed and the reporter let on how to press his buttons, he just went full troll.

Your story really touched me. Do not touch me again, I'm warning you.

Using money intended for patients for parties... I'd understand why they want the reporter to leave their "public meeting."

From the very beginning, it was a powerplay on his part. He absolutely meant to seem in charge and in control of the situation from the very beginning, then just ratcheted it up to annoy the guy. Got the reporter riled up (rightfully so) and used that as an excuse to shut down the public event and force the reporter from the hospital. Pretty smart move from someone with something to hide to be honest.

The touch guy reminds me of scientoligist

Here is a post from ABC 7 News that gives more background information on the suspect spending of the hospital they are trying to expose.

Donors give to improve the daily lives of the patients [at Laguna Honda] with such things as a candy bar, a pair of slippers, a small TV set or a bus trip to Crissy Field. But, using public records, the I-Team has confirmed the hospital administration has been spending ten of thousand of dollars on gourmet meals, airline tickets and other items – not on the patients.

Holy hell, that was pretty obviously a deliberate attempt to piss off the reporter and get him to leave. When it became clear he wasn't going to leave, the guy just got worse.

Well done, Mr. Reporter, for not punching that guy's smug face into his neck!

It never ceases to amaze me how selfish and greedy people can be. Give someone access to a lot of money and some authority and they can't help themselves.

He kept touching him in the hopes the reporter would hit him or say something aggressive so they could call the police and smear the reporter so people would see him as less credible and ignore the actual story

That last touch at the end had me rolling.

I was treasurer for a professional society in a relatively large city. We took in and spent roughly $30,000 per year. Most of the money came from training sessions and donations, and most of the money went to luncheon catering and guest speakers. There was a lot of cash involved. After 5 years as treasurer, someone from our section just decided not to trust me and told the national organization I was stealing and needed to be audited.

The next year they did an audit. I sent in all the books and receipts and not a penny was out of place. The person doing the audit said that about half the time when they have one person managing a lot of cash for a long period of time, some of it starts to "wander." I was pretty shocked and how common it is.

Yeah, it was a nice touch.

mr touchy was obviously trying to instigate a conflict to cancel meeting

That person wanted your job, to fucking steal the money. I'd bet any money on it. Fucking asshole.

From a comment below. Sounds VERY scientology to me.

He kept touching him in the hopes the reporter would hit him or say something aggressive so they could call the police and smear the reporter so people would see him as less credible and ignore the actual story

But.....it was a scheduled town-hall meeting. Not like he caught her on the treadmill at the gym or anything.

I don't think the reporter has a "doesn't like to be touched" thing; it's just that guy Mark was just a weird motherfucker who needed his face punched.

ignores protests of touching

proclaims himself to be a communications director

Perfect title.

Scientologist do the same thing.

They "harass" people in a non-physical, non-aggressive way, so they are never blamed as the instigator.

Seeing the video made me interested in what the story was about. Turned out to be quite a scandal, and I am absolutely shocked by what happened:

In 2010, a doctor at Laguna Honda Hospital spent $100 bucks on tacos for the Spanish Focus ward patients, and was denied reimbursement because the $2 mil patient gift fund was nearing insolvency.

Two doctors looked into it and found that the fund had been mismanaged. Specifically, the gift fund for patients was being used to fund fancy lunches and airfare and pedometers and random shit for the staff and administrators. People donate to the fund because they believed the money went to the patients - they are some of the poorest in the city and some even panhandle at the door for small pleasures, such as a soda.

The doctors (both having worked for two decades at the hospital) filed a complaint to the ethics board. Three days later, one of the doctors was told that he was terminated.

Of course it didn't stop him from speaking out. I googled for updates on the case and lo and behold, in 2013, he settled for $750k in a wrongful termination suit. In addition to the money, a plaque was placed at the hospital recognizing his contributions.

I also know that some of the money siphoned from the fund were put back after the story broke.

However, I am still mad.

Why?

Because the hospital administrators with shitty morals used millions of dollars of funds dedicated to patients for themselves.

Because those administrators and city officials (including the city attorney, mayor and others) not only engaged in cover up, but also retaliated against the doctors who spoke up.

Because the patients who were meant to benefit from the gift fund were turned away as they walked past a fancy BBQ and couldn't even afford small comforts.

Because the residents of San Francisco had to pay for the disgraceful actions of the cover-up and retaliation.

Because the people responsible walked away unscathed.

Although I have nothing to do with the case or city, I have to say: thank you to the doctors, to the reporters and the people who at the very least, ensured that there is greater scrutiny over the management of this gift fund. Your work is commendable.

https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2013/04/03/18734642.php

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I was on Mr. Touchy's side but then he grabbed the camera and I realized what a douche he's being. Seems like they're trying to hide something from the news.

Edit: Bunch of replies asking why I was on his side, basically because I found it funny initially and I also thought that the the reporter was being dickish too. I was watching the video with zero context but now it's obvious that the hospital staff were up to no good and the news people were just trying to snuff it out.

That's what we call an outplay.

Filthy casuals wouldn't understand. They'll just blame it on the map or some shit that's outta their control

Well too bad for the I-Team because now the hospital knows their goddamn Achilles Heel. They'll never get the investigation they are looking for, not with fucking Monk as their lead reporter.

Edit: Heel not Tendon.

Video of director's apology.

I wanted a little more information and discovered some interesting information from this updated article from 2013. The hospital had to pay $750,000 to the doctors who first alerted the news to the fund. On top of that the lady in the video placed a plaque in the hospital thanking the whistle blower for all of her work.

The downside is it sounds like the money was paid by residents of the city? Sadly the director faced no employment repercussions.

A bit of interesting drama is that Mr. Touchy here might have been ousted by the lady he was protecting. Also seems like she is runn...

That money came from the taxpayers :'(

Looks like he knew exactly what he was doing. He got a reaction, called me meeting off, and blamed the news team. He got exactly what he wanted.

he's the communications director. It's literally his job to intercept the media.

ambush interviews are kinda dickish too.

Our whole healthcare system is somewhat like that. A large portion of our drug prices comes from spending on doctors.

Edit: I don't mean doctor salaries. I mean in short sales reps buying lunches for doctors.

In long, we have reps (an entire expensive marketing industry mind you) perturbing evidence based medicine in order to get physicians to use more expensive drugs. So we pay for products with a huge uplift in price to cover their marketing budget, and that money is then spent on distorting Evidence based practice, which makes our decisions unnecessarily expensive and less effective.

That reporter is troll gold..

WhiteShirt: You haven't answered my question yet, what are you afraid of?

Mark (reporter): I'm not afraid.

Dan: you wouldn't be afraid if you weren't doing what you're doing, Mark. You're doing something, it's proof that you're afraid. You're afraid of the success of Scientology because people are going to find out your crimes. What are they, Mark? Spit them out! Get them off your chest!

Mark: well, y'know, darnit I wish I could tell you

BlackShirt: Hey Mark y'know what the group stands for? Nothing but good and you're nothing but bad and we wanna know why so we can help you.

Mark: Yeah please tell me why

Dan: Scientology is total freedom. We're here for total freedom here. That scares you. You dont want people becoming more aware and more free. Why is that, Mark? What've you got to hide?

Mark: well excuse me dan but uh

Dan: MURDER perhaps? Something in your closet there?

Mark: well i killed a guy once

Dan (briefly stunned, blinks): tell us about it!

Mark: it's a postal worker back in Wisconsin, Mark Wardman. I uh I chopped him up into pieces and buried him in a ditch

Dan: yeah that is real funny, Mark.

Come to think of it, you actually might be right. I quit after that, and the guy who took over was this shifty dude who had been there for a while who was always kinda standoffish.

I got the impression he was doing it on purpose after the first couple of touches

Absolutely. Did you see how quickly he cancelled the meeting after finally getting a reaction? He knew damn well what he was doing.

Absolutely. Clearly they are hiding something from the press. It even seems like the lady and Mr. Touchy had this routine worked out beforehand. Obviously it is Mr. Touchy job to run interference.

Shame on this hospital!!

As a nurse, that's fucking stupid. We already have enough vendors and shit buying us lunches.

Fucking request an audit! Think of the Karma you could get out of this

I don't want to be a dick but in case you ever say it at work: it's the Achilles' Heel, the tendon is a real thing but when you mean "one big weakness" it's the heel.

Then you would be wrong. the reason the reporters were there was because the hospital was suspected to have been misusing patient gifts for personal parties at the hospital. that guy was trying to instigate the reporter so the reporter would retaliate in a physical way, allowing the hospital to kick the reporter out it's what you would call baiting.

Here's an article Mr. Touchy wrote after he went viral. He accepts responsibility and then babbles on about PR theory bullshit like this:

Because so much of our ability to shape the world around us depends upon narrative perspective, “framing” as we have come to call it, it helps to be aware of how we frame our own histories and purposes, the assumptions we take for granted about ourselves as we frame the narratives of our own lives simply by living those lives in the way we do from day to day.

these people are batshit crazy my lord

She's definitely smiling in the background. They knew what they were doing.

You dick.

I was gonna say this, it's his job to get between the media and the people who hire him, it may be a bit distasteful but the dude was effective

It could be the video quality but to me it looked like the woman who was leading the meeting was smiling at the shenanigans of Mr Touchy.

Touché.

I don't even know you

We really need to ban TV ads for drugs. It probably won't help any though.

Holy shit. That dude can talk in a circle like a boss.

Professor sir Michael rawlins was head of NICE and noted that some of the cost of drugs is due to marketing. Around 1/4 of the price for some is marketing.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk/2008/aug/17/pharmaceuticals.nhs?client=safari

'The other thing we have to pay for is the costs of marketing. Marketing costs generally are about twice the spend on research and development.' Advertising to patients was forbidden in Britain, but widespread in the US, and some of that marketing cost was built into European drug prices, Rawlins said. He said halting such perverse incentives could bring a 'significant' reduction in prices. 'Traditionally the pharmaceutical industry will admit that they actually charged what they think the market will bear. The wiser ones are recognising that that model is no longer available.'

The doctors (both having worked for two decades at the hospital) filed a complaint to the ethics board. Three days later, one of the doctors was told that he was terminated.

It seems like ethics boards and the like are honey traps for people who actually want to fix corrupt practises.

not exactly an ambush to come ask questions at a public town hall. especially concerning misuse of donated funds.

You mean mike.

I wouldn't exactly say it was non aggressive. They were crowding around him, getting in his face and just generally being intimidating.

Also

Dan: You gettin paid to do this? Is someone paying you to upset other people?

Mark: The German government, but, you know, you gotta have international business relations nowadays.

Dan: * Emptily stares back *

I'm from Canada and whenever I see US tv, it's surreal. So many commercials with some comforting sciency name, a list of side effects like exploding penis or anal seepage, and no actual explanation of what the drug's for.

No, he wanted to be assaulted.

Case in point the wounded warriors foundation. I don't donate to them anymore.

Most people in hospitals work the entire time they are at the hospital, and only take breaks to eat. Thus, people only show up to stuff if there is food there. This results in basically every meeting of any sort being catered. The pharm reps are just following hospital culture, unlike 20 years ago when they were taking them to the caribbean and crap like that. There is probably still some bribery flavored nonsense in the surgical tools field, but less so in pharm

I mean the entire purpose of those is to talk to the town council members about issues in the town, and if he'd tried Emails, or called her office without her answering the next logical step would be to ask at the town meeting.

And Susan G Komen. And the Red Cross. And the Salvation Army. Etc...

and ignore the actual story

Well, that backfired.

Woah, hey!...Don't touch me

That's how people act when enturbulated.

Fuck EVERYTHING about people like this douchebag.

Theyre exactly the kind that ruin reality for everyone whos ACTUALLY trying to make the world a better place.

Fuck this guy.

Really, you were on his side while he continuously touched a person against their will? Creeeeepy. Seriously, fuck that guy.

Fuck Susan G Komen for the cure. Today at my work I took one of the stupid York peppermint patties out of the stupid pink box and got it from my coworker. "Wow. That's for breast cancer." No. No it is not. It's for advertising. Advertising more and more pink shit so you think that you're helping cure cancer when you're really just padding someone's pocket.

And then there's all the pink NFL garb. You let wife beaters on the field, but because everyone has pink socks on, I know that the NFL respects women.

It's just frustrating. My father is battling stage 4 cancer in his colon, brain, lungs, and kidneys. There are amazing organizations out there that actually work towards finding a cure. It's so ironic that an organization who's name has "for the cure" in it, doesn't actually help in finding a cure.

Yea from what it seems they had been dodging him for weeks, and he had every right to be there and ask his questions, i honestly have not seen such a professional reporter in a while, he held his cool so well, does not matter when or where, that guy was way past personal boundaries.

Don't touch me again!

...

touchy

How perfect.

Honestly felt like a Scientology video. Trying to bait the reporter into attacking him or losing his cool and grabbing at the camera. Crazy eyed lady gleefully watching across the room and the finale "this is all your fault".

Reporter needs to learn to own it. Beat the guy at the touch game.

Respond with shoulder pats with counter shoulder pats. Keep your hand on his shoulder the whole time. If he keeps patting you, go for the double shoulder buddy-pat, or back pats. Do the light shoulder shake, or shoulder bumps. If someone asks what the fuck you're doing just say, "oh we're best buds" and come in close with a hug and cheek squish. If he gets weirded out you win and can tell him to fuck off. If you end up at his place tonight then, well, you may have gone a bit far unless you're into that.

Don't touché me.

LOL. Maybe I should. I don't live in that section anymore, though. It has been about 5 years since I left . . . so he's due ;)

You tendon

I thought it was a long lost Parks and Recreation outtake.

Capitain Molesto there is seriously the most passive aggressive human being I've ever seen.

You don't touch strangers.

Unwanted touching is actually an actionable criminal offense- it depends on the specific location, but would generally fall under assault or battery. Once the reported made it explicitly clear he did not want to be touched, there is no ambiguity that the touching was unwanted. A reasonable person may not be offended by a simple touch, but a reasonable person also understands that touching someone who has asked not to be touched is unacceptable.

IANAL

Passive Aggressive White Knight LvL 100

you filthy supressive

Wow. Thanks for sharing. But it doesn't make me want to touch that reporter any less! If I was there, I would have had to touch him!

Every time the Communications dude put his hand on the reporter, the reporter should have placed his hand on the dude's head. The humiliation of being repeatedly patted on the head by a reporter would have put an end to the ridiculous glad handing of the dude.

he must have quite low selfworth(rightfully so) if he plays a punchingball for a corrupt politician

When pharmaceutical reps buy lunches, does it feel like bribery to you in anyway?

My thoughts exactly. They knew what they were doing. Who cancels a meeting over some petty squabbling.

Wonder if they'll keep in touch.

Yeah, that was the first thing I thought of when I watched this. Scientologists think of themselves as the masters of every social situation, but when you look at them in action, they're just clumsily passive-aggressive in a very obvious way.

Unbelievably Mivic Hirose is still executive director. Fucking ridiculous.

The meeting was open to the public according to the linked news article.

I feel like the creepy dude was the kind of kid that would taunt his sibling by putting his hand in their face while saying "I'm not touching you, you can't do anything" and then get slugged when he wouldn't stop.

"Mark... Mike... what's your name? Oh, Mark"

Last touch

"Mike!"

How on earth did he get reelected?

Because we pay ZERO attention to this shit and don't bother voting. Or even if we do vote, we have no idea, outside of the (R) and (D) or (Other), what any of the names next to the circles mean for the local stuff.

So the few people that even bother to run for some small random office, are elected by people who barely care, to do some random shit. They keep sliding their way up to the top, until one day they're running for president. THEN all of a sudden people give a fuck...

Or some people just show up and wing it. Either way seems to work just fine.

I kinda hoped that he actually called the cops lol

"Hello 911? This guy put his hand on my shoulder"

Touchy Tim

Good to see got back into the workforce.

It was like watching a race of who can be the biggest dick. Reporter got an early lead but Touchy McFeely slowly crept up and really finished strong.

I was waiting for an open handed slap of of the reporter the next time he touched the guy right after he told him to knock it off.

That or to start gently patting his face in the same way.

Meaning the reporter was well within his right to get riled up by the guy, since he wouldn't comply with a basic request to leave his personal space. If someone did that to me I would definitely get riled up, and rightfully so.

Because no one bothered to research. the hospital was being investigated for misusing patients funds that were gifts to the hospital, but the hospital was using them for personal parties

Wtf else you think that they don't want the media there? I love the folks backing up the hospital staff in this one.

Anything created by an organization is going to exist to protect the organization, and usually the corruption itself is seen as less damaging than attention drawn to it. Sad fact, but it's why you should always go to a lawyer before going to any kind of HR department or review committee with evidence of corruption.

Some people do not like being touched. If someone says not to touch them, don't fucking touch them. That's incredibly rude and an invasion of personal space and to some people it'll make them very upset and uncomfortable.

This makes Michael Scott look tame.

This was actually a private meeting for hospital employees which the reporter crashed. It's called a 'town hall' because of the meeting format--it's not a literal public town hall meeting.

"I didn't want this to be public"

Oh, you mean the community town hall meeting? It's one of those private community town hall meetings? Okey

TOUCH is super effective!

Reporters regularly exploit social cues and politeness to corner subjects into answering questions. Making people uncomfortable is stock and trade. A pat on the shoulder is hardly assault. The reporter freely used his size to crowd the director and corner her. Fair game at that point. Watch it again, the communications guy is running interference. He's not smooth about it, but he does find a chink in the armor and exploits it.

The lady even says she made a mistake leaving the meeting open to the public.

Mairk.

Did you take time off from beating your wife to post this?

(Before anyone gets mad, I'm referencing one of the next quips from dan's buddy. Such a great conversation opener. )

I know right?! That shit was so funny his last pat. I cant even tell if he was just messing with him or if he is just a touchy person.

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b-b-b-b-but that reporter was so tall and intimidating!! aren't we supposed to hate him?!?!?!

provoke?

The technical term is anal weeping.

He was trying to get a retaliation from the reporter so they could kick them out. Pretty sure it's literally the guys job as communications director to be the in between with the media.

He starts wiping the corners of the reporter's mouth with a pocket square, while he's yelling at him.

Sounds like my league experience

Don't be ridiculous, I'm willing to bet that 50x more is spent paying the salaries of Execs and C-Suites than anything spent on doctors.

That's actually the smallest portion of the problem. Doctors are very susceptible to influence from patients. But most of the spending isn't on direct to "consumer." It's spent on physicians, pharm rep lunches, paid speech dinners, it all can really add up.

But I agree it needs to be done. And it probably would help, ever so slightly.

"Would you folks sign my book?"