Report: Trump's Campaign Manager Wanted for Questioning in Ukraine Corruption Case

Report: Trump's Campaign Manager Wanted for Questioning in Ukraine Corruption Case

Manafort? Yep, Manafort.

Dude's like a cartoon.

I remember back in the good old days of /sub/ukrainianconflict where we found proof of him selling out Ukraine to Putin too.

"You know he has killed people in Ukraine? Knowingly," Andrea Manafort allegedly wrote of her father in March 2015 in an angry series of texts to her sister, Jessica, about her father's personal and professional life.

"Remember when there were all those deaths taking place. A while back. About a year ago. Revolts and what not," reads another text in reference to the bloodshed in Kiev.

"Do you know whose strategy that was to cause that, to send those people out and get them slaughtered."

"He has no moral or legal compass," Andrea allegedly wrote about her father earlier as part of the same conversation.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/03/10/politics/ukraine-manafort-hacked-texts/index.html

You have to be a first class scumbag for even your kids to hate you, and Manafort fits the bill.

The onion's days are numbered

I can see it now:

• President Trump does something presidential

• The Onion writes a piece criticizing him while other media outlets are praising.

• Trump calls The Onion fake news on twitter

Lol you lost me on the first bullet point

I'm just waiting for the Trump surrogates to start going to jail. I'm not sure what Trump will do with so much "winning".

I remember reading that someone was trying to blackmail him but didn't know his number so they texted his daughter and apparently she just forwarded the texts to the press. lol Or maybe they were part of her above mentioned texts that got hacked and leaked.

Midterms!! go out and vote 2018. Turn this complicit Congress around and make this incompetent administration accountable.

Flynn, Sessions, Manafort etc. The list grows longer so the Dems better start holding the Republicans accountable for their actions much more harshly going forward.

I understand that treason is an unlikely thing for the president to be involved in, but can someone give me a more likely explanation for why so many of his advisors and staff have shady links to Russia?

Resignations, redusals, direct evidence of Russian interference in the election, and a candidate clearly indifferent to traditional bounds of public performance. Is this really all a total coincidence?

If there's nothing to hide, why do they keep getting caught hiding things,?

Personal opinion / conjecture: they likely have dealings with many countries/people, but Russia-America dealings are in the spot light because it is a controversial topic.

These people are highly immoral / shady, probably psychopaths / lack empathy for others, narcissists / only care for themselves, and greedy.

with two years to go, an administration that's turning their backs to their voters with a misguided budget, a disastrous healthcare plan (and people finally realizing they have benefited from ACA), I'm not sure where this idea of Republican gains is coming from. Check the new approval numbers for Trump.

They called the FBI 7 times in the last 2 years with no response?? Wtf is wrong with our FBI letting all this shit slide for Trump during the campaign while publicly ridiculing Hillary for something she had done years ago?

Idk if this is true or not but it's hilarious nonetheless

Like when he said lies more eloquently at the state of the union.

Over on T_D they are convinced Obama and Hillary and everyone else will be arrested and jailed any moment now. Everything is a monstrous conspiracy of pedophiles and email servers and George Soros. They are complete lunatics.

But then over here everyone else expects Trump and his team to be jailed any moment also and I'm not convinced they are not just as unrealistic.

Yes, Trump is a nightmare and no doubt there have been shady dealings, but I can't see all these jailings as being very likely.

What I'm really getting at is the vicious polarisation we see now, I suppose. It's terrible.

So nobody here actually read the article. Except maybe the people who have comments downvoted out of sight.

Here is the entire article, not joking, this is the whole thing. Read it people:

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Prosecutors in Ukraine are seeking to question former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort surrounding a corruption probe in the country, CNN reports. The cable-news network reported that Ukrainian authorities have made “repeated requests” to American officials, including FBI Director James Comey. According to Ukraine officials, those calls—seven of which have been made over the past two years—have gone unanswered. Manafort has not been charged with a crime, and the investigation is focused on former Ukrainian Justice Minister Oleksandr Lavrynovych. Manafort declined to comment to CNN.

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They'll blame it on Obama. At most, they'll just vote for a different republican.

Yes

It would be hilarious if it werent real life. If this scenario was played out in a book I was reading I would think it was just shoddy writting. What is even happening to our government

Edit: fixed my spelling, thanks reddit

you are talking about the Senate. The whole House is up for grabs. With rural america losing their health benefits, assistance for the poor and those "coal jobs" that won't come back, you can see a revolt and the House flipping.

'Trump’s vocabulary is limited, his syntax is broken; he repeats the same phrases over and over'

I don't know - and neither do French translators!

Its fucked up that he was able to flee to the US. Others in Ukraine got asylum in the US because of him.

What does he mean when he says words?

It's not unreasonable to expect your politicians to be moral. Cynicism just makes you easy to manipulate.

Why's it unlikely? This is Trump we're talking about. Moral? Nope. Smart? Not so much. Vain? In abundance. Easily manipulated? Oh, ya.

https://www.google.se/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/03/fbi-leaks-hillary-clinton-jam...

Well they appear to be a little partisan. Also they appear to have used Breitbart as a source: https://mediamatters.org/video/2016/11/03/maddow-examines-how-foxs-debunked-clinton-report-began-...

Manafort is covered in blood money according to his daughters.

but can someone give me a more likely explanation for why so many of his advisors and staff have shady links to Russia?

Vast unlimited wealth as they join Putin in establishing an Oligarchy in America. Just think how much they will be able to steal by selling off America.

False equivalent. That doesn't describe...Jimmy Carter, for example.

You're not wrong. They're already talking about selling our national parks to the oil and gas companies.

The onion already had a few articles that were way too close to home.

Trump Gives Intelligence Agencies Their Daily Briefing.

'I have 4 small children' said Kellyanne Conway in most disturbing statement to date.

I remember him railing about Obama using a teleprompter.

And yet he was staring at the damn thing like it was showing Fox News live

Dude, the administration is dumb as shit. They would totally do that. Remember how they used an extremely satirical article from the Washington Post to provide a piece of news "in favor" of Trump's new budget? I can see them doing really anything.

Democratic turnout for midterms?

Good luck with that. Last i heard the republicans are expected to make more gains in congress. The best hope democrats would have is to find another candidate who will actually make people want to vote for them in 2020, as well as find ways to appeal to the rust belt and demographics that aren't major cities or immigrants. Without a changeup in the party they shouldnt look forward to taking anything

Would be funnier in reverse. Can you image Trump calling The Onion a reliable news source?

Corruption doesn't require intelligence.

Trump never had popular numbers to begin with, and with the polarization in America many will choose to stay with their "team" even with Trump at the lead, although i'd see a good chance of Pence or another mainstream conservative beating him in the 2020 primaries.

The idea of republican gains comes from many of the contested seats in the next midterms being held by democrats. Even if they make gains, the GOP still has a good chance of keeping power due to their margin of control in the house. Trump held impressive leads on rural areas and a suprise victory in the rustbelt, both of which could likely vote republican again (rural like always and rust belt over the TPP and coal jobs). Also democrats are historically bad at turning our for midterms

"All floaters. Sad!"

These people are highly immoral / shady, probably psychopaths / lack empathy for others, narcissists / only care for themselves, and greedy.

So... politicians.

If the texts were forwarded to the press, small real talk here for the normal person, this is better than the alternative.

If you're getting blackmailed, your secret coming out right at the start is almost always the best outcome. You don't want people without morals, like Manafort, to have power over you.

Though forwarding it to the police is probably the better option for your average Joe and Jane.

As a Canadian neighbor... Im increasingly concerned with how many people on Trump's roster seem to have a tie to Russia or Russian money... It seems like every week a new story pops up about x being investigated, or being accused of having ties to Russians... I try not to get too involved because its depressing and terrifying to see this massivly (seemingly) corrupt POTUS and his cronies undermining global politics and slowly knocking the US down towards some kind of Dictatorship... Any thing a Canadian should know about your new Orange Overlord? Is it just media blowing up?

Yeah well she's talking about him like he's responsible for human death so eah let's talk about chores

That's totally the opposite i found, don't know why you say this.

There are putinbots in every post but they get called out very soon. It was supposed to be a neutral place of discussion but it's getting progressively more pro-ukraine because the shit Putin does is getting even more indefensible by the day.

Guy looks like the shadiest used car salesman on the lot.

There have been all sorts of whisperings through the years that the NYC FBI field office turns a blind eye for the Russian mob. If that's where she issued her complaints, they may have been swept under the rug

These type of answers are so dumb, just shows both sides are retarded. Someone asks for a legit reason on why Trump has so many Russia connections and people say "Well he's Trump what do you expect hurdurr".

I've read an interesting article on Trumps Russia connections but it was in a Dutch newspaper, it sums up his connections to Russia from the start in 2007 when Trump vodka was launched at the Russian millionaire fair and goes into detail on one of the weird deals where a Russian billionaire bought Trumps island in the middle of the crisis when Trump was about to go bankrupt for way too much money, Google Dmitry Rybolovlev.

There are a bunch of other connections bought up in the article but I'm sure there's an English article about them as well.

When have republicans ever owned up to anything. First tging we hear after the nost recent russian scandal was about how seriously they took this and how they were not going to stop until they found out who leaked. Whole thing is a god damn misdirection.

Well republicans are the establishment now. They gotta own it.

It's kind of sad that you can get more votes and still have to get even more on top of that. It's a shame the electoral system results in a situation where the majority of the country is held back by a minority who are always a few decades behind in social development. I've never heard of Republicans (national level) being told to change their message to appeal to the cities even though that's where most Americans live.

Oh right, these people also can have children.

I feel bad for them.

What evidence is do you have that proves he's smart? There is plenty of evidence that he is a fucking imbecile. Aside from his "brand" and all the licensing deals, none of his businesses are particularly successful.

Money doesn't make you smart, especially when you inherit hundreds of millions of dollars.

Donald Trump is a fucking moron.

what? let manafort have power over you? i dont understand, the blackmail was sent to the daughter because the blackmailer didnt know how to send it to manafort, and the daughter just gave it to the press because she doesnt care. i just dont see how the daughter giving it to the press gives/prevents Manafort from "having power over" her: she isnt the one being blackmailed, her dad is.

Just the best people.....between the nazi dudes, this guy, conway, etc....I'm really starting to wonder if some people just need to be removed from society for being too stupid to do anything but harm.

Kids, let me tell you about another so-called wicked guy. He had long hair, and some wild ideas, and he didn't always do what other people thought was right. And that man's name was...

I forget. But the point is...

I forget that, too.

Marge, you know who I'm talking about. He used to drive that blue car.

Would be funnier in reverse. Can you image Trump calling The Onion a reliable news source?

This needs to be the onions mission for the next 4 years.

Oh yes, it is quite ridiculous to believe something is afoot when so many of Trump's cabinet members, staff and advisers are caught having dealings with Russia after categorically denying any ties to Russia whatsoever. How dare we think they've got something to hide.

Along with days of House of Cards. Reality is just so much fucking worse. I'd take President Frank Underwood any day now.

*shitty

Or

*shoddy

It doesn't matter, just listen to his heart /s

Special elections take place between now and then. Go vote!

Neither do English interpreters.

broken promises like "drain the swamp", "insurance for everyone", "bring back coal jobs"?

I am not trying to be negative, but I don't think the US is going to hand over this guy to Ukraine for questioning.

And then that one asshole says "oh i guess people have different opinions"

Bitch they are destroying the planet.

/sub/ukraineconflict is full of pro putin shills who spread countless propoganda /sub/ukraine is a better source for info

KGB doesn't exist anymore, at least by name. It's the FSB these days.

How do we move forward? It's hard to find middle ground with someone's you think is crazy.

At least Underwood is competent about his deceptions and wouldn't Tweet his every bowel movement.

/sub/ukraineconflict

The proper one is /sub/ukrainianconflict

As my Trump supporting relatives would say "It's the democrats stopping Trump from keeping his promises. They hate America!"

It's insane to think Republicans would keep winning elections.

Guess it just shows how incredibly fucking stupid or ignorant people are. Republicans are going to poison their water, cut their access to social services, and kick them off their health insurance.. and they'll still vote red.

Honestly, if the country were split with Democrats going to one side and Republicans to the other, the Democrats would turn their side into a utopia while the Republicans would bleed their land dry of oil and water, turning it into a hellish desert littered with the skeletons of the poor and sickly, then invade the Democrats' side after blaming them for all their problems.

I've realised it's much easier to find middle ground with people in real life. Sites like reddit and facebook only show you the worst of either side - facebook's algorithm shows you what you want to see, and most political subreddits are crazy echochambers. In reality most people are content to live and let live. I've come out as a Trump supporter to many people and we've had lots of meaningful and respectful conversations since.

Give him a break. It's hard to display compassion for a soldier you had killed. /s

a proper source would be neat

Midterms!! go out and vote 2018.

But my candidate did something I don't like! I'm staying home in protest.

Yes, absolutely. Some people do need to be removed from society. We have prisons for exactly this purpose. The problem is the justice legal system doesn't put rich people in prison.

I think too many people fail to grasp the real issue.

It's not whether Republicans show up to vote, it's whether Democrats show up to vote. ALWAYS assume Trump will keep the same number of voters. He could start another war and crash the economy, and likely still not lose voters.

The only question is, has Trump done enough to make those who oppose him get off their lazy asses and vote straight (D) come 2018 and 2020?

Who knows. No one does. And that is the problem. You can't rely on Democrats.

Then we simply must force the blame back to them. I live in the reddest of areas and can only think of maybe 1 or 2 other liberals. But that's doesn't stop me from pointing out their faults. That they want a wall and to stop programs that the elderly and disadvantaged will die from. The tricky part is making sure you don't lose your job, etc.

Same shit different acronym.

You don't find middle ground with them. I read a comment on /sub/enoughtrumpspam or /sub/estit or whatever the other day that was on point. (Wish I could find it again because now I am about to butcher what he/she said).

You can't convince some people to change. We've lived very privileged and sheltered lives for the most part. Most issues we have dealt with can be solved via facts and reason. I think what is going on is new for most of us. The best thing we can do is look at history and let it be our guide.

Take hardcore issues in the past like slavery, nazi germany, etc where people were willing to die for their beliefs. The south and the Germans didn't somehow have a change of heart after the civil war or at the end of WW2. The winners of these wars said, "Fuck your ideology. Our country is going in another direction."

And the rest is history. Not saying we need to go to war. Not advocating anything stupid like that. What I am saying is that we will never change these people. This is who they are.

All we can do is push forward and never let them rise up again. They will always be there. Like Hydra in those Captain America movies. They will always be in the shadows waiting for the opportune time to rise back up again. You don't find middle ground with these people.

That's not all Flynn did... He was a registered lobbyist and agent of the state of Ukraine WHILE STILL HAVING HIS TOP SECRET CLEARANCE.

I saw the daily beast and i assumed heavy bias, so I went to the comments and had to scroll for a while to come to this one. I honestly thought the article would be way longer!

So they are litetally calling him to help an investigation abroad, and he has chosen not to do so. Lets spin it reddit!

I understand it is fun to hate on Trump, but I think it is kind of silly to say that the Man isn't smart. Is he Albert Einstein, absolutely not, but a stupid person doesn't make it this far no matter what anyone would like to pretend.

There are many negative things you can say about trump but that he is dumb, really isn't one of them.

edit - God forbid someone disagree with the circle jerk lol.

Trump is a corrupt, narcissistic, egotistical bastard, but this does not make him dumb. I'd rather be willing to see the man for what he is, because that is the only chance we have of stopping him, then pretend he is an idiot so that I can feel better about myself (This is part of the mistake we made during the election).

But bring on the down votes, we all know this is the only kind of voting you do ;)

Neither do Japanese interpreters.

And also already indebted to the puppet masters

"Oh she's just mad because she asked to borrow the car..." -- T_D

we would have already ended sanctions on Russia, and pulled out of Syria, and we'd be more accommodating to Iran. We'd probably still be going forward with the TPP in order to isolate China, and we wouldn't be making calls for NATO's defense spending to increase, or moving additional troops into Poland, or condemning Russia's advances in ballistic missile technology. We would also probably not have Mattis as SecDef.

Couldn't he just be waiting before he starts doing many of these things? It's only the 2nd month and he's under heavy, heavy scrutiny. I must have missed when Trump said NATO should increase its defense but he's been talking about dismantling NATO since the 80s. Maybe he's just "asking" for a defense increase as an excuse to back out of NATO. Is that possible?

Mattis was definitely an unusual pick, especially next to his others. He may have just picked a name out of a hat and got lucky on this one.

Manafort genuinely has shady links. Flynn talked to the Russian ambassador and tried to keep him from reacting to Obama's policies until Trump took office - quite far from treason. Tillerson was a successful businessman in energy, which makes a Russia connection natural. I was skeptical of Tillerson at first, but by all nonpartisan accounts he's doing a good job, and bent over backwards even when he didn't have to in order to comply with the ethics office.

If Trump were working for Russia, we would have already ended sanctions on Russia, and pulled out of Syria, and we'd be more accommodating to Iran. We'd probably still be going forward with the TPP in order to isolate China, and we wouldn't be making calls for NATO's defense spending to increase, or moving additional troops into Poland, or condemning Russia's advances in ballistic missile technology. We would also probably not have Mattis as SecDef.

If you ignore all evidence that doesn't fit into a partisan narrative, then of course you'll end up believing ridiculous things.

There's a reasonable argument that Trump's vetting process was weaker in general than past presidents', which is why Manafort was able to gain influence for a few months. He's got more ties to business than average, and thus more ties to corruption. But perceiving Trump as working for Russia relies on paradigmatic conspiracy theorizing and stupidity. I'm sick of seeing badly researched, nonrigorous articles on this topic. Literally every straightforward indication is that Trump is going to resist Russia, although in the abstract he would be open to cooperation if they were willing to make significant policy concessions. This is the exact same stance that Obama maintained, except Obama actually followed through on making deals with Russia, while so far Trump has not.

Where there is smoke, there's fire. And there is a lot of smoke coming from the WH right now.

We should invite Putin to give the State of The Union address since he's the one pulling all the strings now. He's been running the show since Trump got in the race.

I'm at the point where part of me can't help but think that they deserve it. You keep voting against your own interests because you can't be assed to learn that the ACA and Obamacare are the same thing, or that climate change is real, or that social programs are actually benefiting you far more than another increase in military spending? Then fuck you, you deserve whatever you get. I just feel bad for all the people that are going to get screwed along with you because of your decision. But the people who keep voting these people into power deserve what they vote for.

That's already how it is. Republican states are effectively third world. They take far more in federal aid than they give, they have far lower rates of education, smaller economies, less growth. They even struggle with issues that usually only affect developing countries, like fucking maternal mortality.

They also have far higher reliance on federal programs like the ACA. The blue states are the only ones that even stand a chance to withstand a Trump presidency. Red America is fucked, they just don't know it yet.

TIL that too much of something is too much of that thing.

Too much optimism or cynicism is never an accurate lens to look at reality.

He didn't get half of the country, only 58% of eligible voters actually voted. Hillary won 48% and Trump won 46%. So in reality he got 26%, and he went up against Hillary who is one of the most hated candidates in modern history.

In regards to his businesses, many of them did fail, and if it weren't for his dad and several big banks bailing him out, he would have had to file personal bankruptcy. By 1995 he managed to rack up 1$ billion in debt.

Also, more often than not when he publicly speaks it tends to be incoherent gibberish, like he's trying hard to sound smart but it comes across as awkward fumbling of words with a bit of condescension thrown in to compensate. For example, his statement about uranium:

You know what uranium is, right? It’s this thing called nuclear weapons. And other things. Like lots of things are done with uranium. Including some bad things.

That can't be right - if that's REALLY the text of the article, that would mean the headline is misleading and that thousands of people who upvoted this have been duped!

This I can buy, actual discussion and evidence. But everytime I see someone say "LE DRUMPF IS EVIL MAN BABY POOPY HEAD RUSSIA PUTIN BITCH" I just go the opposite way.

But the DailyBeast is somehow credible?

Several of trump's kids started talking to him again only just before this presidential run as well

Dude that is bullshit...in any other election Trump never would have won a state. The fact that people were so ready to tear it up and vote for this radical change does not reflect that Trump is smart. He is still an idiot it was just that people were so pissed off they were willing to vote for an idiot

He's gonna listen to his heart It's gonna tell him what to do He might need a lot of money But he don't need you

Would BET a ton of .9999 pure gold ingots that the KGB has some serious " dirt" on FBI Director Comely... how else does anyone rationally "explain" it? And YES, the KGB has and still does sexual entrapment and blackmail operations all over the world including in the US as do other intelligence services including the CIA...

Did you sleep through the early 90s?

analysis

Have you seen this from Nerdwriter1? I used to think that he is just completely incompetent, now I don't know what to think anymore.

By undermining the voice of the majority. A vote in Wyoming should not carry 3x the value of a vote in California.

Prosecutors in Ukraine are seeking to question former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort surrounding a corruption probe in the country

Manafort has not been charged with a crime, and the investigation is focused on former Ukrainian Justice Minister Oleksandr Lavrynovych.

Move along folks, nothing to see here.

What evidence is do you have that proves he's smart?

Besides the fact that he was able to fleece half the country millions of people into electing him into the highest office? Like I said, a "fucking moron" would not be able to get that far no matter how charismatic they were.

A "fucking moron" wouldn't be able to find a way to make money when their businesses fail. They wouldn't be able to successfully negotiate a deal with a major company like NBC, where they made over $213.6 million in the past 13 years.

Aside from his "brand" and all the licensing deals, none of his businesses are particularly successful.

Except for the Grand Hyatt Hotel, Trump Tower, Wollman Rink, 40 wall street, Trump Place, The Apprentice, Trump International Tower Chicago which are all very successful.

Money doesn't make you smart, especially when you inherit hundreds of millions of dollars.

While this is true, money alone doesn't make you survive in the business world as long as Trump has. Money only gets you so far, and if he was as dumb as you state he is there wouldn't be enough money in the world to get him elected to POTUS, ask Ross Perot.

edit - grammar and spelling.

edit 2 - Changed my wording since people in this thread apparently don't understand the concept of using a literary device.

Last i heard the republicans are expected to make more gains in congress.

In the Senate, yes, but we just have to flip like 30 seats in the House to take it back. There are districts where a Republican ran unopposed but Clinton won. With Trump being as unpopular as he is, gerrymandering could backfire, considering it usually lets Republicans win by around 10%. If 10% of voters in more than 30 districts flip blue, Democrats control the House.

Or maybe shatty?

I'll beat the shills out and just get down to it:

Nothing to see here, move along citizen

Key phrase being "like Manafort." I don't think the example was to be interpreted literally as Manafort himself. Substitute for Voldemort if that helps.

Edit: a word

Manafort sounds like an MTG card.

Is that possible?

Yes. But if you find yourself asking that question, then you are probably jumping to conclusions. Instead, ask "is that likely"? The default presumption should be that Trump is not a traitor, as it is generally not the norm for presidents of the US to secretly be traitors. Ignoring that important contextual information would be a mistake. The ratio of accusations of treason to actual instances of treason is very skewed, which means that if we find ourselves suspecting treason on the basis of flimsy evidence, we should be inclined to suspect we're falling victim to the same kind of motivated reasoning that led people to think Obama was in cahoots with Muslim extremists.

I don't really think that Trump is particularly responsive to criticism or scrutiny, so I think this line of argument has some evidence against it. That, combined with the absence of strong evidence for it, makes me reject the argument. Also, some of the things that Trump is not doing which would be beneficial to Russia would likely make him come under less scrutiny rather than more, like easing up on Iran.

Trump's requested an increase to the US defense budget, FWIW.

I must have missed when Trump said NATO should increase its defense but he's been talking about dismantling NATO since the 80s. Maybe he's just "asking" for a defense increase as an excuse to back out of NATO. Is that possible?

He wants NATO to be disbanded because he feels other members are not pulling their own weight, mainly. My impression is that he's using the threat of US withdrawal to boost other member's spending, not the other way around. And it seems to be working, somewhat. Merkel has committed to transitioning to an increased budget for NATO. Trump is not happy that she's not doing so immediately, but even if phased in over time it's still a gain for NATO.

Jimmy is so nice...

Look up Carter Page. He did an interview on msnbc a week or two ago and he looked like a guy who expected to get shot any minute. He was shifty, sweaty, and barely could string a couple sentences together.