Report: "One Fire Truck Guarded Every Three Houses" in Wealthy Los Angeles Neighborhood Last Night

Report: "One Fire Truck Guarded Every Three Houses" in Wealthy Los Angeles Neighborhood Last Night
Report: "One Fire Truck Guarded Every Three Houses" in Wealthy Los Angeles Neighborhood Last Night

/u/not-a-cephalopod has a good explanation over on /sub/losangeles

While it's the "smallest blaze," as far as I'm aware, it also happens to be the only one in LA County that is:

Threatening a high density neighborhood (Westwood is 13,000 people per square mile). This is more than 4 times as dense as Simi Valley and about 2.5 times as dense as Sylmar.

Threatening one of the region's most important medical centers.

Threatening the UCLA campus. In addition to the economic damage which would be caused by damage to one of the region's largest employers, dorms housing most of the 11,000 students in on-campus housing are across the street from the current evacuation zone.

Threatening thousands of priceless works of art.

Threatening a major economic center.

In addition, the statistics are insanely misleading (all stats from Cal Fire):

The Thomas Fire has 2,509 firefighters, 471 engines, and 12 helicopters on scene.

The Creek Fire has 1,686 firefighters, 161 engines, and 3 helicopters on scene.

The Rye Fire has 901 firefighters, 72 engines, and 2 helicopters on scene.

The article complains about the use of 52 engines, 350 firefighters, and 3 helicopters at the Skirball Fire.

If this article included all appropriate statistics, the truth would be obvious: the smallest fire received the smallest response. What was LAFD supposed to do? Allow the fire to continue burning south until it reached Westwood, and then deal with it? Why not send the appropriate response when the fire occurs and save the entire region money and heartache by keeping the fire away from vital areas?

The LAFD response was entirely appropriate.

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This article is probably just trying to stir up shit. This place is probably a front line of the fire.

You don't send fire trucks out into the woods, and you don't send them into the center of the city away from the fire. You send them to where the fire is near, and stop it there - so it doesn't come into the city more.

But since it's rich, someone saw an easy way to fire up internet people.

And it's currently only 30% contained...

They absolutely cannot let this rip through the Santa Monica Mountains and the areas surrounding. This really is spin.

This is exactly it. Reading this makes me so angry. Our firefighters are working tirelessly all over LA and Ventura counties and deserve all the respect for protecting this city. The winds can carry embers, starting new fires, and they can't just let a house burn because Murdoch owns it.

Yeah, hate to say it, but the headline and article was written to be a hit piece, generate as many clicks as possible with the most infuriating title. Can't say it isn't effective, it's why I'm here. But since I live in Cali with more knowledge of that region, I understand the imperative to try and contain the blazes asap, what u/not-a-cephalopod says is absolutely true.

The region that the fire is threatening is a high density of not only people but very costly infrastructure and unrecoverable artifacts. The UCLA campus alone would be an unrecoverable loss if left to burn, countless research labs, machines, and materials developed specifically for ongoing research would be lost to blazes.

Then close by you have all the art galleries (The Getty is literally next to it), museums, exhibits, all priceless artifacts that cannot be moved at a moment's notice without permanent damage. The loss in cultural knowledge there alone would be an impact to future generations.

We're not only talking about loss of life, property damage, or monetary loss when regarding the Skirball fire, but potential devastation to monuments of the past and the potential of the future. Keep in mind as well, the Santa Clara fire's started small, the Ukiah fire was small, but the high winds and dry conditions spread the wild fires like crazy, it's unbelievable how fast and how much went up in flames, to me, LAFD is just trying to nip a high stakes problem in the bud before it gets out of hand.

And pure clickbait. But I doubt they know the area really or did their homework.

These types of houses tend to be up in the hills, and that tends to be the first place the fires hit.

Clearly their firefighters are just more productive than the firefighters of poor people.

More than 350 firefighters, 52 engines and six fixed-wing aircraft are working to contain Skirball, according to the Los Angeles Times. That’s around 20 percent of the total number of fire engines operated by the Los Angeles county and city fire departments, though it’s unclear what percentage it is of all resources being diverted to the fire, including from outside sources. Skirball currently stretches around 475 acres, less than one percent of the total area aflame.

Even the one percent's one percent portion of a wildfire gets special treatment.

those homes are literally right there by the fires.

Ths is probably bull shit. Firefighters will leap from house to house during a wild fire. They choose the houses they will defend on defensibility. Does it have an easy accessed drive way? Is there burnable materials next to the house? Does it have clearence? What kind of roof does it have? Does it have a water source? All will be factors in defending the house

in LA? no. the fires are literally near wealthy neighborhoods where maybe about 100-200 people live. please refrain from commenting if you don't know what you're talking about. Also note Ventura is a SEPARATE COUNTY. Don't whataboutism LA County resources for a place they have no jurisdiction over smg

Additionally, the fire in Ventura is being fought by CALFIRE, Ventura Emergency Services, and Los Padres National Forest. The Rye and Creek fires are being fought by LA County, CALFIRE, and the Angeles National Forest.

So the LAFD would be focusing on the fires more directly within their area of operations.

Furthermore, what's the average acreage of a residential/commercial lot in LA. Murdoch's place is 13 acres...so how does that compare on a firefighting level to a more common residential area? If you divide 475 acres (Skirball fire) by the number of homes in the area it does come out to about 36.5. So would that mean each home there is 13 acres also?

If so, thats 39 acres per firetruck.

Please don't take my math as perfect, was always my weakest subject. I'm still uncertain if this is just practical firefighting or favoritism.

You're paying for the welfare of your betters! By god, they're job creators! They need to be coddled and loved like enormous toddlers in their gilded cages, lest their homes burn down and they come to rip ours down and to build new ones.

I heard something on the news today about the fire department strategically picking out neighborhoods in the path of some of the fires to try to fortify and prevent the houses there from catching and spreading the fire further.

Makes sense to try to contain what you can, especially in residential areas. Isn't the majority of the area that's burning wilderness?

What you are seeing is what it looks like when someone actually gets something for their taxes.

I pay as much taxes as most average households, yet even I don't get anything from it. Truly Wealthy people get their asses wiped for them by the government using money from other people, even small business owners like myself.

It's BS. My employees and myself don't even get medical from that. We don't get proper police protection.

What the hell do we get? I pay a road tax and water bills, so not even that comes from the main taxes. WTF are we paying for???

What a peice of shit article with a peice of shit title.

Well to be fair, piles of money would burn pretty quickly and spread the fire

You mean Spin.com is spinning this story?

Just shut up. You have no fucking clue what you are talking about.

Public services as a concept stops working if they're apportioned based on how much you pay in taxes. That's just a convoluted way of privatizing everything, and there are reasons we haven't done that.

As a wild land fire fighter, you are full of shit.

I've seen spot fires a few miles away from the head of the fire.

Thank you for posting. I suspected people were full of shit, but I wasn’t about to go tracking down information for a fire on the other side of the county.

The winds are blowing at hurricane force. Do you understand that means the wind will carry embers for miles? Have you seen the devastation in Ventura because of the wind taking the embers and scattering them into the town, burning down homes that were not even near the original fire? So no, we cant.

you're saying wealthy people don't pay more in taxes?

They do not average anything close to 13 acres.

do you realize how far it is? there's a 4-5 mile barrier which isWHY there are so many people there. to stop it from getting to westwood

You need to call the tv stations and tell them their experts are lying..

Last night they stated embers can typically travel 1 to 2 miles but up to as many as 10 miles.

Exactly. And it implies that there wouldn't be a similar response if the fire happened to break out in a less-affluent area.

I live in a rent-controlled part of the area, with many people of lesser-means, and our firefighters have been super-responsive over the years. We had about 6 trucks just last week for a structure fire in a rent-controlled older building. They were thorough, fast, professional, and didn't skimp on trucks, LEO support, or manpower.

They contained the fire within a half-hour, but had firefighters/cops/firetrucks all around us for most of the night.

The article can kiss my butt.

You're paying for a three-trillion-dollar war in Iraq and Syria. Now get back to work so your lifetime's worth of taxes can buy Trump another cruise missile.

Look above for actual responses. They did the relevant research instead of being instigated by click bait

I live a mile from here. These houses back up against the Santa Monica mountains and the roads to access the flames are extremely difficult to navigate. If the fire gets out of control here and, say, jumped to West of the 405 or North of Mulholland the damage to structures and potential loss of life would be horrific.

I'm still uncertain if this is just practical firefighting or favoritism.

Its practical firefighting. This fire is by all practicle purposes on the doorstep of Los Angles. The last thing they want is that fire to reach and enter the city. As now your not talking evacuating 100k but far more. There's a reason why the military is helping out here and other firefighters from other states came.

The top 1% pay more than half the income taxes in the usa

Your also forgetting National Guard. And that out of state firefighters. This is very much a all hands on deck situation.

Do the insurance companies pay for this added protection?