When the official results for polling station no. 333 were declared, the turnout was first given as 1,331 before being revised up to 1,867 on Tuesday. That is more than seven times higher than the number of voters counted by Reuters - with 73 percent of the votes going to United Russia, the party of President Vladimir Putin.
Nothing fishy there at all.
Honestly it's this basic and universal level of corruption and graft in Russia that utterly invalidates any comparisons by Putin supporters to the states of the West. That is utterly Cold-War era.
The Putin supporters seem to love false equivalency. It makes me wonder if native Russians actually and truly believe that western states are as corrupt as their own.
Truth of the matter is the Russian people love Putin. The only ones that oppose him are those with bad health or those prone to accidents.
Some do. I had a Russian customer come in the other day and some how small talk turned to politics, her and another customer talked about how they only watch the Russian state media because they see all the western news groups as propaganda. It was so strange to hear.
If you want a clinic in vote fraud, it's not hard to find.
And no, it's not in the US.
I hate hearing this argument.
Opinions aren't Inherently equal. facts aren't either.
It sounds like your trying to argue "well everyone lies so who can you trust?" "All sides are basically the same"
No. That's just wrong. Some people lie a hell of a lot more and tell much bigger lies.
I absolutely trust the us media outlets more than Trukish or Russian outlets.
I got in a similar discussion with my Turkish tutor where she slammed tge Western press as propaganda, and I couldnt help myself. I told her that I wouldn't trust anything coming from the country with the worst press freedom ranking in the developed world.
This country isn't perfect but at least Trump isn't shutting down opposition media and shit. We have institutions and morals that our so respected that even our biggest strongman President won't break them.
.... whaaaat? What district kept revising its vote totals until they were 'high enough' for Clinton? Has your brain just completely rotted on infowars and groupthink?
I love how Russians refer to Putin as the Tsar
“We must ensure 85 percent for United Russia. Otherwise, the Tsar will stop providing us with money,” the man, Sergei Lyutikov, told a reporter, in an apparent reference to Putin.
Yeah well Putin steals elections so I'll allow it.
Western news groups are perhaps technically propaganda, in that they are designed to nurture certain points of view. However, the main goal here is profit. These media outlets are just looking to make money, so they peddle whichever points of view they think will bring in more viewers.
This is not at all comparable to state-sanctioned propaganda, which exists for a completely different purpose.
What? When did Clinton fudge voting tallies? Did I miss something?
Some 37% of people came to the governor election in my city. The many others just told "Oh no I'm not going, nothing's going to change!" And their their blanks are used to put another tick for United Russia, and the cycle goes on once again, and nothing changes again. All because of the attitude of my countrymen. My plans? Finish high school, go to a German university and get the hell out of here. That's the only reasonable choice.
This is the kind of comment you should support with more than a little evidence.
Opinions and ideas based in reality and facts and logic are absolutely more important than those based on lies.
Which is where the whole equality thing comes in. Just because you have an opinion doesn't make it right or valid.
As in, Turkish media lies but so does the US so who's to say who you should trust. That statement is based on a lot of bullshit.
The press themselves. The press associations rank how safe it is for their members.
Didn't miss a thing. Just check his history and you'll know enough.
Trump isn't shutting down opposition media and shit.
Not for lack of trying, mind you.
Well, Western news groups ARE propaganda. But ideally you have competing propagandas without a single gov't line, so it's more about a wide spectrum of advocacy and focus in Western media, rather than the horrorshow of the Russian news monoculture.
So Russians will always be able to point to this or that Western news source as biased, because they are! The difference is the diversity and breadth of our news media's coverage and opinion.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 93%. (I'm a bot)
333 in the Russian city of Vladikavkaz, Reuters reporters only counted 256 voters casting their ballots in a regional election on Sunday.
Under Russia's electoral rules, voting at home is reserved for cases where a voter has specifically requested a visit, because for health reasons they are unable to make it to a polling station.
Despite the rule that home voting is only offered on request, several of the people visited by the election officials at their homes said they had not asked to vote at home.
Good thing I never read articles anyway
I wouldn't say shut them down, but constantly trying to discredit them in favor of media outlets in his favor. Not as bad, but definitely not good.
I remember first seeing it in 2008 with The Exhile eXile. They had some funny articles, but also included Russian corruption and organized crime stories and were shut down. After the release of the Panama papers, the Russian government seemed to exert far more control over the Media than before. Russia usually removes the leaders in a media group, and will replace them with someone more pliant. On top of that, Russia has new law that prohibits foreigners from owning media outlets. These two policies have led many media outlets to resort to online publications only.
Others that closed or had their independent leads replaced include:
*Forbes - Russia
*Russian Media Group
Go back to t-d.
The first ever democratic elections in Russia were influenced by USA. The current situation of Russian democracy is also partially the fault of the US government.
What Russia got was an alcoholic that could be manipulated for foreign interests. What a warm welcome to the democratic community by the biggest exporter of democratic values.
The overwhelming preponderance of evidence points to Russian culpability. What was one-sided about the coverage in your opinion? Should more time have been given to Russian muddying of the waters with their crackpot, easily debunked explanations?
"Hahah, this man so bad at living he fall in frozen lake. Just happen there is hole in ice he walk right into, hahah." frowns at you
"... oh uh hahahah..."
the root of the problem is in the end, the russian people(the majority).
No, you are wrong. No one thinks that bribes are 'okay'. People are forced to do that because you can't solve a problem properly when the whole system is rotten.
Their culture allows this to happen.
What are these culture or 'mentality' arguments? Look at North/South Korea. Literaly the same people, yet so different. It is all about the elites.
Unfortunately the only remedy in situations like this, will always be TIME.
You're so wrong. Look at Georgia. It was one of the poorest and the most corrupted countries in post-soviet time. And when the honest elites came in power, they got in top 50 least corrupted countries in the world.
While it is a complicated issue Russian media completely tried to sidestep any Russian involvement. Russia supplied the rebels that took that plane down and a 90% chance had soldiers there assisting. There isn't an excuse for bringing that plane down.
What a stupid thing to say
what is seen as a dress rehearsal for next year’s presidential vote
Yeah, with 12% turnout in Moscow. Dress rehearsal my ass.
No, you can do your own research to know how much propoganda there is. You can compare sources and stories and figure out what's bullshit and what's not. That "argument" doesn't hold much value because it's mostly bullshit
A lot if media in the US is slanted, I wouldn't say there's out right propoganda in place like there is in Russia. The US has a much more free press.
Being a biased is not what defines propaganda.
Declare them enemies of the state.
It's much easier to control sheeple than scientists.
But Russian leaders don't just claim that western media is biased - they claim that it is state controlled. Therein lies the difference.