Meanwhile the Lakota are either investing in Exxon and/or getting fucked over by like-minded fossil fuel corporations.
Can we get some Solar Projects started up in the Northern U.S. once in awhile? Plenty of open land and empty rooftops.
Wind is also readily available up north.
All this free energy being wasted. Nah, fuck that, let's dig some more holes in the ground. You'd think these dumb bastards would realize that their business will run out sooner or later and that it would be more profitable to start investing in other forms of energy so they can keep their stranglehold on the energy sector but no, let's dig some more holes in the ground!
From a technology standpoint I'm just saying everyone's getting solar energy.
The Amish would never do it seeing that it's electricity. But there are Amish where I live with windmills that compress air in place of generating electricity. Essentially it's the same
"Sooner or later" doesn't matter to them, now matters. This quarter's earnings are what matters.
A lot of Amish and Mennonite folk have no problem with electricity itself. What they have a problem with is depending on others outside of the community. Solar and wind power give them electric in a self reliant way and is accepted in many communities.
Navajomes for the Navajomies
Respect to the Dine'
Man, apparently people really hate that Navajo are using solar panels. Guess we should move back to Ole clean coal. Just get the coal, and start cleaning it guys. Like our wise president said.
That's my reaction to 99% of funny things
Don't Native Americans have a lot of land in dry, sunny areas? I could see them using their land to become essentially a power utility for others (not just other Native Americans, but selling it out to others) by building solar farms, wind farms and such. They'd be able to do this without having to jump through the same regulatory hoops that a company would have to go through on non-native lands.
Is that a crazy idea without merit or has anyone actually tried this?
Amish are literally Christian.Source: live in Amish country. Grandfather was Shaker.
Amish are similar to Christians, as there are varying degrees of what is acceptable. Some no power, others use diesel motors ( no spark plugs) on wagons pulled by horses, others drive black Cadillacs.
As a Navajo I find this dank
Oddly, that's both true and false.
Looks like Coyote's plan succeeded.
Why are so many people getting their panties in a twist over this? It's good news and will hopefully help many Natives out of poverty
Yeah, I thought this was supposed to be a positive subreddit. I guess I learned my lesson. =/
They would be better served investing in wind or a wind/solar mix. The Northern Plains states have plenty of open spaces, but not as much direct sunlight as the Southwest.
Wouldn't they be depending on solar panel manufacturers though?
Maybe some sense of continual dependence in the sense of being connected to a grid
I too am dead inside.
Problem with Native land is that they've been lied to quite a bit so they're pretty reluctant to trust white people to build things on their land. Years and years and years of people taking slices of rez while telling them they're gonna be rich does that to people.
The Navajo Nation is already plugged in to the grid. There's a coal burning powerhouse in Northern AZ that puts out way more power than they're consuming for themselves.
Hmmm. Possibly interesting but I'd imagine getting the infrastructure to transport the energy would be a massive pain. Laying all that cable from the generators to the market... yikes.
*javahomes why not have coffe
Think of this... in the future all skyscrapers have a windmill on top, solar windows facing the sun and a waterfall drop that cools/heats the building.
They are so similar to Christians that they are Christians. Just like a jillion times more fundamentalist than your run of the mill garden variety fundamentalist Christian.
Except more than 30 percent of homes still don't have electricity, so not all of the nation is on the grid.
You're depressed and hiding it. Finding things funny is enough to push your subconscious just above normal into a slightly happy mood, sort of like a volcanic island poking above an ocean of sadness.
Sourcr: reddit therapist
You can't turn off the sun in the same way a company can cut off and control your power. Solar panels last for a long time and in theory they could learn and fix it themselves.
Amish aren't about living off the land, they're about not being worldly. That means shunning things because they contribute to a mindset of concern with material values or ordinary life rather than a spiritual existence.
I never stop thinking about that, tbh.
We're talking about a world where energy comes in so cheap that we don't really pay for it anymore for personal homes. Large buildings and warehouses owned by businesses would need to pay for it, maybe. We'd just pay for the majority of it through taxes. But it would be extremely negligible.
He did. 🙂
There's nothing quite like running your hands along a four-poster bed, remembering the time you were yea big and grandpa fell a tree, telling you how to dry a log over several years.
I was genuinely surprised when I left Ohio that not everyone is or knows a carpenter.
Actually it won't. American Indian reservations are places where US government dependence has ruined their society, and this is just more of the same. You can't legally own land on a reservation, because of "tribal ownership" rules, written by white nationalist socialist idealogues in the 1930s who viewed the tribes as "native" and "communalistic", and this means that nobody there can get a loan using their property as collateral on a bank loan. Lack of access to credit over generations has led to institutional poverty. The state of US Indian Reservations has repeatedly been compared to the failure of socialism in Soviet Russia, for the same reasons (link).
Over 50% of jobs on reservations are US government jobs. It's very difficult to start a business there because the US Government and their Tribal Law structure shields them from liability, meaning you can't sue if something goes wrong, nobody will invest. So tell me again how a government-paid charity contract for a white dudes' company to go install some generators for them is going to change anything.
But they don't live on Java.
Solar water heaters could be made within the community though, and that's free energy.
The Amish are not really part of the fundamentalist branch of christianity. That started growing much later. They came from anabaptist, a sect that popped up during the Reformation in Europe and were almost universally feared and hated by catholics and protestants alike. There was a time when accusing someone of being an anabaptist was like accusing someone of being a member of ISIS today.
Well... You don't really waste the wind. But every time a breeze flies by and we don't have a windmill we're missing out.
Is that pun because he said quarter? And a quarter is a coin or do I just need more sleep?
They shun fancy things like electricity. At 4:30 in the morning they're milkin' cows.
I had a professor from out there who says the distance and terrain in the far reaches of the nation makes it a tough job and slow going. Here's to them making strides, though.
Because Americans hate Natives. You must have seen that hysterically dumb stereotype pop up on other trending Native American Reddit threads; they're poor because they get all this free stuff from the Government, and they choose to live in abject poverty to keep getting all the taxpayer's money.
Solar power is one of the few topics that is just totally, absolutely, 100% good news no matter what. Panel and battery prices just keep on dropping, capacities just keep on increasing, fossil fuel industry panic just keeps getting louder.
Even gloomy Far North places are getting big into solar, and putting them on the South-facing walls rather than the roofs because of the solar angle.
Do you want utopia? Because this is how you get utopia.
Same deal in coal country here in Kentucky.
Jebadiah feeds the chickens and Jacob plows... Fool!
So much rooftop space could be used to accumulate energy from the sun. The company that runs to sell personal rooftop solar energy would revolutionize the energy grid - think of the jobs for manufacturing, servicing and repairing a nation of solar rooftops on every house, building, and manufacturers. Some solar plants take up an enormous amount of land that could be used for something else.... well fuck, rooftops of homes and buildings aren't being used but they could be utilized for a solar energy grid.
ooh, if only, if only...
If they can become an energy exporter, hopefully they could invest the money in some better infrastructure.
problem is that the oil folks mislead them, and take advantage of poorly educated people.
Lancaster, PA? Was there for a week. 6 days too long.
Oh please, it's a common as fuck stereotype. Remember that AMA request thread that hit the front page? Filled with it.
Latitude affects solar efficiency.
Elon Musk is already doing something like that. Granted for now it's expensive as shit. One of his companies creates stylized rooftop solar panels that look more like a traditional rooftop than solar panels.
It's really cool, but like I said really expensive right now. There will come a time when this is considered the norm.
Yeah, it's mostly copper coils running through a glass covered box
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This is great news, I read and saw construction of it going on. I read through the comments and yes, this is a very positive step for my tribe. Shí dinéh (I am Navajo). More of these type of projects are needed, there have been many attempts to get wind power going, but the tribal council gets in the way of progress;
Our leaders are bent on keeping fossil fuel extraction alive and keeping fossil fuel generating stations going like the Navajo Generating Station and Four Corners Generating Station.
Because of these generating stations, the reservation is criss crossed with transmission lines that link it to Los Angeles, Las Vegas, Phoenix, Albuquerque, Tucson. Here is a link to a picture of some of the transmission lines:
Many houses lack electricity hook ups and water line hook ups as many are very rural. Even cell phone signals done exist. This was a result of the bennet freeze that was recently lifted that didnt allow any type of construction to occur within bennet freeze area: http://articles.latimes.com/2009/nov/05/nation/na-bennett-freeze5
My grandmother was part of the movement to prevent the relocation efforts in the 60's of the Navajo from lands that contained vast coal reserves atop Black Mesa. http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona/2017/04/04/katherine-smith-defender-navajo-land...
My mother and grandmother always told me that our tribal government purposely kept in a "nanny State" dependent on the Federal Government's handouts. Our leaders keep the people poor while they line there pockets with the aide received.
I have high hopes for my tribe when it comes to being a part of Western Society and balancing tradition with capitalism. Red tape within my tribe is slowly being cut and the old ways of my tribes government is slowly going away as the educated come back to the reservation. Projects like this is much needed and still gives me hope.
A'hxé'héé - Thank You
No. Just no.
And I've been milking and plowing so long that, even Ezekiel thinks that my mind is gone
I bet he had some great furniture.
Don't solar panels charge a battery that you can use day and night?
Everything is expensive when starting but when it becomes more popular and easier to access it will drive the price down. So I think...
I think we're on the cusp of an energy revolution... once that buttard is out of the way at least.
My HOA won't allow rooftop solar. Seems as if state legislatures need to make these clauses null
I know its not my home but its nacho home either.
No thanks, I'm trying to cut down.
You seem to have this idea that they're like, a unified nation of people with ideals and not just a bunch of people living on some land. I have several native friends and all of them say the reservations are shit holes full of poor people who need more money. If someone could tell them how to make their lives better, they're going to listen.
I remember traveling through Japan ( for ten years ), feeling really homesick, when I stayed in a youth hostel on the side of a mountain overlooking Kobe.
There was a Florida room in the hostel with glass walls, a very striking view of blackness punctuated with blue street lights.
And in the middle of that room? A dinner table with chairs like the set my parents bought in Ohio Amish country.
It doesn't work -- not very well, anyway. You may see the occasional vertical-axis mini-turbine on a building (there are a few in Chicago), but they aren't nearly as efficient, and also create vibration that has to be dampened, which increases engineering and construction costs. Maybe some day it'll be a realistic tech, but my sense is it won't be in the near-term.
This project is actually constructed and run by massive Arizona utility Salt River Project. The Navajo nation's entire contribution to the project was to talk a number of cattle ranchers into donating their land to the project for free in exchange for the promise of first consideration for jobs at the facility. This is at least better than the Sioux, who have turned about $100M dollars of Obama administration grants into one wind turbine and a long series of PR disasters. Most of the money was literally spent researching eagles. Same crew who protested DAPL even though it was much, much safer than the existing solution of moving the oil by train. The rail bridge was further downstream and didn't affect the tribe.
Well, went on for a couple of months...
This is the norm.
Then there's not a whole lot of data on Tribal Council's dealings with oil, but most reservations in the State of North Dakota are either heavily dependent on Oil or Agriculture, and it really shows when you drive through one of their towns with just a grain silo, an office building for some company with "Energy" in the name, a locally owned restaurant, and a gas station.
Pretty sure they are starting to invest in renewables. Problem is they're doing it at a speed designed to make them the most cash, not a speed designed to minimise environmental impacts.
I'm all for reducing fossil fuel consumption to the fullest extent possible. But to presume that they're not taking the more profitable route? I'm not sure I'd go there. Also, I don't know much about business but I would think expecting a large fossil fuel company to simply overhaul its business model into something entirely different is easier said than done. Just think about all the money they've already invested in equipment, technology etc
False, if you mean the investment you'd need to put in for a return.
Solar and wind are simple, far more simple than an oil facility. Less stuff = less cost
Amen to that. They have it tough enough out there.
Iron Druid fan?
Reroute the power to Archimedes, steal Euclid's C-finder, rain hell from above.
Amish are okay with electricity just not in the home
If Amish live off the land then what if they lived next to a abandoned junk yard. They could be living off the land of a junk yard and make tons of stuff.
same deal with any poorly educated people ...
Not typically but they can. For a lot of homes, people get a $0 bill just by being able to sell excess power during the day which cancels out the amount they pull from the grid during the night
Wind suffers from heavy taxation up north. I'm actually not sure about solar, but wind is pretty much unviable simply because of politics in the region.
Ah Ohio Amish country. My parents furniture is all from there.
They are investing in other forms of energy. They're just milking the biggest cash cow for all it's got before moving to the next biggest cow.
Islands are just mountains poking out of the water like an awkward erection during Mrs. Dearing's class.