Michelle Carter text suicide trial verdict: Guilty

Michelle Carter text suicide trial verdict: Guilty
Michelle Carter text suicide trial verdict: Guilty

"You're finally going to be happy in heaven. No more pain. It's okay to be scared and it's normal. I mean, you're about to die," Carter wrote in one message.

Her texts later became more insistent after Roy appeared to delay his plan.

"I thought you wanted to do this. The time is right and you're ready __ just do it babe," she wrote.

In another text sent the day Roy died, Carter wrote: "You can't think about it. You just have to do it. You said you were gonna do it. Like I don't get why you aren't."

I am willing to bet that 90% of the people saying this is ridiculous didn't even read the conversation between them. She deserves to go to jail, and this is coming from someone with my username.

Her texts later became more insistent after Roy appeared to delay his plan

I just posted the following up above down below. "Insistent" is an understatement:

CONRAD ROY: How was your day?

MICHELLE CARTER: When are you doing it?

CONRAD: Since you don’t get your snapchat anymore, I sent them to you.

CARTER: (Smiley face) My day was okay. How was yours?

CONRAD: Good.

CARTER: Really?

CONRAD: Yes.

CARTER: That’s great. What did you do?

CONRAD: Ended up going to work for a little bit and then just looked stuff up.

CARTER: When are you gonna do it? Stop ignoring the question

She almost sounds disappointed when he said his day was "good."

Edit: Transcript is here. No, I don't know why they format it as Conrad/Carter instead of Roy/Carter or Conrad/Michelle, it's confusing.

You don't even need to say almost. She was definitely disappointed when he was backing out. Wonder if she was looking forward to receiving the attention and care as a former significant other of a kid who killed himself.

This cunt is worthless. I don't care at what age it occurred.

She held a huge event at her school for suicide awareness in his name (he didn't go there) and made the whole ordeal about herself. She gained a ton of attention/awareness, so yes she exactly did it for attention. Just think about that. She's so evil that she wanted to persuade her boyfriend into killing himself just to get attention and social standing.

Carter cried as the judge read his verdict and sobs broke out in the courtroom.

Oh fuck you. You're only crying because you're being charged for the utterly disgusting, lower-than-dirt things you did. You attention-seeking, deranged fucking sociopath.

People are acting like what she did isn't a big deal. This girl spent months telling him how much better heaven will be, just do it. When he was taking too long she got really pushy, and when he backed out she told him to get back in the car and finish it. Then she held a memorial for him at her highschool and pretended to be heartbroken?

Obviously it was the boy's choice to ultimately do it, but he was a teenager that was in a really bad place. Teenagers are not known for their critical thinking skills and suicide is almost always done during the height of your emotions. Poor boy was overwhelmed. There's something very deranged about this girl, and she's so young, too.

Even Ted Bundy cried before they put him to death. Those people are very capable of feeling emotion, for themselves.

That's some Eric Cartman shit

This is really messed up.

Michelle Carter was charged in the death of Conrad Roy III. Carter, then 17, cajoled Roy to kill himself in July 2014 with a series of texts and phone calls, prosecutors allege. Roy died when his pickup truck filled with carbon monoxide in a store parking lot in Fairhaven. After he exited the truck, Carter told him to "get back in," prosecutors said.

Prosecutors argued at her trial that the text messages support their claim that Carter caused Roy's death by "wantonly and recklessly" helping him poison himself. They allege Carter pushed Roy to commit suicide because she was desperate for attention from classmates, reports CBS Boston, and wanted to play the role of a grieving girlfriend.

"You're finally going to be happy in heaven. No more pain. It's okay to be scared and it's normal. I mean, you're about to die," Carter wrote in one message.

Her texts later became more insistent after Roy appeared to delay his plan.

"I thought you wanted to do this. The time is right and you're ready __ just do it babe," she wrote.

In another text sent the day Roy died, Carter wrote: "You can't think about it. You just have to do it. You said you were gonna do it. Like I don't get why you aren't."

I haven't read too much about this case until now, but seeing these messages makes it clear she went FAR beyond normal ill-thought out and angsty teenage texting. Makes me really consider that if Roy had had a truly supportive girlfriend, death would probably not have been the outcome.

Bitch should sell timeshares.

One of the big deciding factors is that he actually got out of the car and was considering backing out of the suicide attempt, and he called her and she persuaded him to get back in the car, knowing that it would most likely kill him.

What a piece of shit.

Butters knows what he did.

Yep. One of the big deciding factors is that he actually got out of the car and was considering backing out of the suicide attempt, and he called her and she persuaded him to get back in the car, knowing that it would most likely kill him.

I wish she would've got a worse charge. She encouraged a man to commit suicide for attention. That's one of the most cold blooded and sociopathic things I've ever seen. That boy was clearly very unstable and just wanted help, but she actively pushed him to suicide.

That's what I mean. It goes along the same lines as "you're not sorry you did it, you're just sorry you got caught".

Shit makes me want to puke. Her persistence trying to convince someone that she "loves" to kill himself when all he was looking for was someone to back him off the ledge shows what a true genuine fucking cunt she is.

I find it funny that a 20 year girl (17 when crime committed) is charged in juvenile court while there are 11 and 12 year olds tried as adults.

Wonder if she was looking forward to receiving the attention and care as a former significant other of a kid who killed himself.

Not sure if this will get any visibility, but I haven't seen anyone else mention it:

I know Buzzfeed isn't considered the best source, but they discovered something that points to exactly this and I'm surprised it's not getting more exposure. Michelle Carter was obsessed with Glee actress Lea Michelle, whose real-life boyfriend, Cory Monteith, died of an overdose in 2013. Monteith also played her on-screen boyfriend, so his death was written into the show. Many of Michelle's texts to friends following Conrad's suicide are direct quotes from Glee episodes. Eerily, Conrad's suicide also occurred exactly one year after Cory Monteith's death. It seems Michelle Carter desperately wanted to play the role of "grieving girlfriend" so she could be like her favorite actress/TV character, and undoubtedly for the attention.

The event was a baseball tournament in her hometown - she raised $2300, although no one has stated where that money actually went

I mean when Eric did something evil it was payback. This bitch was just evil.

People are going to be really pissed when the judge sentences her to like 6 months probation.

Followed by a lifetime of being undateable and unhireable in the age of the internet. Her name and face is plastered all over the internet. She'll live the rest of her life in shame, trying desperately to find jobs that don't ask too many questions.

At least, that's my hope if she doesn't end up in jail.

He also got scared and noped the fuck out. Then she started lecturing him to get back in. Sadistic as hell.

Once you read ALL the texts, especially the ones about which generator would be best for suicide, it feels impossible to defend her. She wasn't a scared girl who didn't know how to handle a depressed boyfriend. She was a monster.

If anyone out there is feeling suicidal, please seek help.

The prosecution has to charge her with the crime they know they can prove. Way too difficult to prove actual murder in this case. If they had charged her with that, she would be a free woman.

I'm going to agree. I remember reading the headline a while back and thought it was bullshit. I then read the entire text conversation and it still sticks with me as one of the most sadistic things I've ever read.

What did the Jews or gingers or Butters ever do to Cartman?

Hopefully it's going to fund her prison stint.

Hopefully it was given to the poor dude or his parents. Hope she has an awful term with very little commissary.

My guess is 5 years a bunch of probation. Probably serve less than 3 years by the time it's all over. Sad.

The part that really creeped me out was when she said she'd make sure to be there for his sister/mother:

"Conrad, of course I will be there for your family. I will help them as much as I can to get thru this, ill tell them about how amazing their son/brother truly was"

... what the fuck. This bitch is evil, I don't care how old she was.

What the fuck is wrong with people?

On July 4, 2014, a week before Conrad Roy's death, Michelle Carter sent him a series of angry texts after a failed suicide attempt the previous night:

Conrad Roy: hey sorry I just took sleeping pills and fell asleep

Michelle Carter: So it didn't work

Michelle Carter: That's such a lie

Michelle Carter: You said you wanted this bad. I knew you weren't gonna try hard

Michelle Carter: I feel like such an idiot

Conrad Roy: Why

Michelle Carter: Because you didn't even do anything! You lied about this whole thing! You said you were gonna go to the woods and do it and you said things that made me feel like maybe you were actually serious, and I poured my heart out to you thinking this was gonna be the last time I talked to you. And then you tell me you took sleeping pills? Whixh [sic] first of all I know that's a lie because you already said you wouldn't get enough and idk how you would of [sic] got them. I'm just so confused. I thought you really wanted to die but apparently you don't, I feel played and just stupid

Conrad Roy: Don't I found out a new plan. and I'm gonna fo [sic] it tonight

Michelle Carter: I don't believe you

Michelle Carter: You're gonna have to prove me wrong because I just don't think you really want this. You just keeps [sic] pushing it off to another night and say you'll do it but you never do

Conrad Roy: okay

Michelle Carter: Okay what?

Conrad Roy: I'll prove you wrong

Michelle Carter: What are you planning on doing?

Michelle Carter: Poision [sic] would work

Conrad Roy: Carbon monoxide or helium gas. I want to deprive myself of oxygen

Conrad Roy: don't feel like an idiot it's gonna happen

Michelle Carter: Tonight?

Conrad Roy: Eventually

Michelle Carter: Cute J haha I love you

Michelle Carter: SEE THATS WHAT I MEAN. YOU KEEP PUSHING IT OFF! You just said you were gonna do it tonight and now you're saying eventually….

Honestly seems like 'welcome to being a middle class white woman in America. Can I get you a pillow? Some cookies? Oh you poor thing...' Infantilizing.

You need to read all of the texts. They are seriously chilling. There's parts where he literally convinces himself to her that he doesn't want his family to feel pain because of his suicide and she convinces him that they won't care and they will get over it.

I felt sick after reading this. It's disturbing.

Yeah, it seems like she absolutely knew he intended to do it, and kept him on that path. I can't understand how anyone could even make jokes to a suicidal person, let alone continue such cold, calculated dialogue.

She was in a lot of my classes in high school. One of those was an ethics course. We talked about moral dilemmas and one thing we really went into was doctor assisted suicide, death, and end of life scenarios. Kinda creepy looking back now

That's exactly her motivation. Textbook sociopath. The sympathy she wanted from others was more important that the life of someone she feigned concern for. And her "grief" would be manufactured for the sole purpose of attention.

Fuck her. It should've been "Let's talk about this" followed by getting him some help. Looking at her face makes me angry.

The ACLU of Massachusetts condemned the verdict late Friday morning, saying it "exceeds the limits of our criminal laws and violates free speech protections guaranteed by the Massachusetts and U.S. Constitutions."

Usually I'm with the ACLU, especially on matters of free speech, but im incredibly disappointed that they've decided to take this stance, given that this situation is not about expression but rather about coercing someone into everything their life.

She is a sociopath. She can't make emotional connections to people so she was never anyone's girlfriend or loved anyone. She just wanted the attention of being the "girlfriend" of someone that killed himself.

If anyone watched it on TV (it was on live locally), this is exactly what the judge pointed to as the key reason he found her guilty. That text telling him get back into as the judge called it "a toxic environment unsuitable for human​ life" was the difference between life and death for this guy, at least at that moment. The judge also said that speculation that he was destined or determined to kill himself eventually had exactly no bearing on the case. Similarly her actions before this key moment did not amount to a crime. It was that specific text ordering him back into the truck that crossed the line.

Those texts are some of the most blood-chilling things I've ever read. Like, look at this exchange:

CONRAD ROY: How was your day?

MICHELLE CARTER: When are you doing it?

CONRAD: Since you don’t get your snapchat anymore, I sent them to you.

CARTER: (Smiley face) My day was okay. How was yours?

CONRAD: Good.

CARTER: Really?

CONRAD: Yes.

CARTER: That’s great. What did you do?

CONRAD: Ended up going to work for a little bit and then just looked stuff up.

CARTER: When are you gonna do it? Stop ignoring the question

She was just so...eager. Like, it was literally the first thing on her mind when he texts her. She's the kind of villain that editors would reject for being too unrealistically, one-dimensionally evil.

Link to texts: http://deadstate.org/here-are-the-disturbing-texts-from-michelle-carter-pressuring-her-boyfriend-...

But DAE the precedent this sets? I mean, are they really saying that I can't actively seek out a mentally ill person, finagle my way into being their only lifeline, and spend months abusing their trust in an effort to get them to incite violence? So much for 'Land of the Free'... Will somebody think of the precedent?!

In Zimmerman's case the physical evidence was in his favor. He was knocked prone and had head injuries. He was going to get off with self defense. It only seemed really controversial because of the media circus. I mean shit, they kicked the whole thing off with NBC editing tapes to make him sound racist and whitewashing him to turn it into white man shoots black kid along with posting victim photos that were when he was 12 years old.

If she doesn't serve jail time it's an absolute outrage. I think I've had enough internet for today.

Literally nothing more than crying about the impending consequences. Not from remorse and not from guilt.

That is exactly what I was thinking. Young woman charged as a juvenile for involuntary manslaughter? Yeah, she's not going to prison.

Holy Shit.

Her behavior should have been illegal from the moment she actively and intentionally encouraged him to kill himself

If taken directly as stated, this is enormous for the internet community.

That's one hell of a precedent you're setting by saying that should be law.

At some point her crazy light bulb went off - "if he does it, like omg, ppl will feel like so bad for me and like, want to hang out with me"

I don't mind the texts nearly as much as final act - He tried to back out and she ordered him to continue. AND LISTENED as he DIED. To cap it off - pretended to be concerned he was "missing" and that she knew nothing about where he was or what he had done.

Morals and values missed the boat with this one. Her parents must be mortified having raised such a monster

Exactly. She literally said, "Get back in."

Exactly. This is why George Zimmerman was set free. They overcharged and couldn't prove their case.

You forgot her book - "Text Over the Edge"

She's fucking psycho... confirmed

For a teenage girl at my school? Yes. She liked attention and interrupted class frequently. Before a teacher would call on her they would always be like "Michelle, is this a real question?"

She threw some sort of school fundraiser for the Conrad guy after he died which just blows my fucking mind. I can't imagine what was going through her head

She was very likely in character after his death. Receiving lots of support. Probably crying and balling while everyone said "poor her". Unless she was saying sorry for encouraging the suicide, the texting was probably a big part of the act. "Did you hear she still texts him? She must be devastated." "That's so sad. " Yea. Poor her.

It really sounds like she intended for him to do it even more than he intended to do it himself. Just evil.

I'm not sure about Massachusetts, but many states have what's referred to as a "Son of Sam" law that prevents convicted criminals from profiting from their stories by either diverting any profits to the families of the victims or the U.S. Treasury.

Holy shit. Holy shit.

She's like a flanderized version of every sociopathic villain ever. If my boyfriend even has a slightly stressful day at work it's straight to emergency cuddles for him. Love does not exist in this girl's heart.

shocked/sad face

....

"I don't get it, why am I in trouble? My boyfriend killed himself! People should be taking pity on me!"

Well, her psychiatrist testified that she was depressed and her medication made her delusional. She also texted his phone for weeks after he died. I think it's safe to say she was also in pretty unstable place mentally.

That dude from Oklahoma City that raped dozens of women over the years also cried when they convicted him.

Pretty sure he said "How could you do this to me?"

He must have been insane.

I watched the 15 minute video of the verdict on YouTube, just to taste her tears from afar, and there's a disappointingly low amount of actual crying taking place. It starts with a bit of it but fades to her shocked/sad face. Need more tears...

Edit: changed sentencing to verdict.

Good. I would've been pissed if she was innocent. Terrible, awful person.

Funny comment but so true

There are fifty states with varying laws on when juveniles can be charged with adults. It is a little more complicated than that.

And the fact that since he got off it's been made very clear that Zimmerman is an absolute piece of shit

Man Cara Delevingne really let herself go

She WAS disappointed because on July 10 she told the girl she most idealized that he "was missing" to test her reaction and the amount of sympathy she got.

She later told this girl that she thinks he might have killed himself - before he had done it.

So yeah - to avoid be labeled a liar and continue to play victim - poor kid had to die or she'd look like a fool (also in a text to Conrad, "I feel like a fool, cus you said you were going to do it, like I don't get why you aren't")

This one creeped me out (a little long but seriously wtf):

CARTER: You’re so hesitant because you keeping over thinking it and keep pushing it off. You just need to do it, Conrad. The more you push it off, the more it will eat at you. You’re ready and prepared. All you have to do is tum the generator on and you will be free and happy. No more pushing it off. No more waiting.

CONRAD: You’re right.

CARTER: If you want it as bad as you say you do it’s time to do it today.

CONRAD: Yup. No more waiting.

CARTER: Okay. I’m serious. Like you can’t even wait ’till tonight. You have to do it when you get back from your walk.

CONRAD: Thank you.

CARTER: For what?

CONRAD: Still being here.

CARTER: I would never leave you. You’re the love of my life, my boyfriend. You are my heart. I’d never leave you.

CONRAD: Aw.

CARTER: I love you.

CONRAD: Love you, too.

CARTER: When will you be back from your walk?

CONRAD: Like, five minutes.

CARTER: Okay. So you gonna do it?

What's odd to me is that at first she tried to tell him to get help. It seems to have slowly morphed into her wanting him to kill himself. Like she found his constant depression so annoying that she turned sadistic.

A kid (16) who lived down the street from me killed my friend and his parents who lived two doors down from us - stabbed them to death in the middle of the night and the older daughter was able to escape only because he didn't know she was home from college. She didn't see him so the cops had no idea who'd done it until the murder's dad found evidence and turned him in. The little psychopath was "best friend" to the boy he murdered and came to our prayer circle at school, the funeral, everything while crying like he was sad. After being caught he became emotionless and said he'd have raped and murdered the sister too had he known she was there. Sick fuck.

There are some truly terrifying people out there.

He was basically in the water drowning begging for help and instead of throwing him a flotation ring, she threw him a rock.

CARTER: Hey, what are you doing right now?

BUYER: Just about to head down to the pool and finish reading my book.

CARTER: You should do it now. Don't wait.

BUYER: Do what now?

CARTER: Sign the papers, don't wait.

BUYER: But the presentation's tonight.

CARTER: But you're happy here. Make it official.

BUYER: But I just put sunscreen on.

CARTER: Just do it. Do it now.

Buyer signs timeshare agreement

Michelle Carter: Tonight?

Conrad Roy: Eventually

Michelle Carter: Cute J haha I love you

Michelle Carter: SEE THATS WHAT I MEAN. YOU KEEP PUSHING IT OFF! You just said you were gonna do it tonight and now you're saying eventually….

Fuck that actually makes me sick to read... how can someone think like this...

After doing everything in her power to convince him to do it, she then started a facebook page about it and hosted a suicide awareness event at her school which wasn't even the same school he went to. She is a sociopath through and through and a danger to society. It's crazy to think she was tried as a juvenile and probably won't receive more than a slap on the wrist.

Yep. It's definitely a fringe case. But people are freaking out because they think it means that you're gonna get arrested for telling someone to kill themselves on Xbox Live (which you shouldn't do, but whateves).

I read the whole conversation, and then the messages that she sent her friend after... just pure manipulation. Obviously wanting the attention that would come with, "oh it's not your fault, it's gonna be okay, I'm so sorry" etc. etc.

"I think he just killed himself... I'm so fucken stupid. The generator he got the other day I think that was the noise I heard. I just looked it up. They emit carbon monoxide. I think he poisoned himself with it and it's all my fault because I should have knew he was going to do that and I should have stopped him. I kept trying to call and there was no answer. I think he did it. I don't even know what to do right now."

As a teacher of a student who committed suicide, the fact that this girl was only sentenced in juvenile court is ridiculous. This girl needs psychiatric help sure but the message needs to be sent out that this shit doesn't fly. If she doesn't get more than a few years I'm going to be disappointed.

I had the same thoughts. There are limits to free speech. Encouraging someone to commit suicide is one of them.

Oh hamburgers

They actually have some killer investigative journalism scattered in amongst (and funded by) all the "choose your dream meal from McDonald's and we'll tell you what age you get divorced at!"

It doesn't do great things for their name's credibility but it's an interesting business model for journalism.

CSGO chat is going to be real quiet if this becomes a law.

I've said some mean things in my life, but reading those text messages made me sick. It's terrible how one person can treat another. It's one thing to say nasty things to someone but to push someone to that limit is something else. Not diving into the legalities of it, I just think it's terrible that someone could go around saying things like that to someone they supposedly care about.

Apparently they've studied this. sociopaths can feel empathy, but they have to turn it on. It's a choice they have to consciously make.

Edit: changed emotion to empathy.

I'm glad we're nabbing her now and not allowing her to live a life filled with being rude to customer service and fucking with wills which bequeath her everything. She's a demon spawn.

Yea like clinical psychopathy/sociopathy.

Her texts remind me of that Kermit the frog meme with the dark Kermit in a hood.

She organized suicide prevention rally after he killed himself lol.

Buzzfeed news is generally pretty reliable, it's just discredited because of the link to their clickbaity stuff.

I actually couldn't read them all. I've been in the mental state that poor boy was in. This story is absolutely heartbreaking

she was a self-obsessed teenager that wanted the spotlight on her during the "grieving" process. to think that "lets talk about this" was even a consideration is dumb

I'm sorry I know this is all horrible but the "Michelle, is this a real question?" part cracked me up. What a piece of shit.

I'm glad that this is the verdict. Having followed this case closely, I cannot see any other just verdict.

That being said, my heart now breaks for the parents on both sides of this case. As a parent of teenagers myself, you worry constantly about what idiotic breach of judgment is going to lead to severe consequences. In an age where you read about kids dying of alcohol poisoning after taking 10 shots on a dare, or throwing themselves accidentally through a window after duct-taping themselves to a chair for likes and retweets, or experimenting with auto-asphyxiation because it's the latest fad, it's kind of terrifying to conceive of all the potential ways you need to tell your kids to not be stupid.

This case is a thing apart, and it's hard to imagine that Carter didn't understand the importance of convincing someone to end his life. I think she deserves to be found guilty of manslaughter, but I feel so bad for her parents who are losing their daughter to her own baseless stupidity.

While the decision is a good one, it's not as concrete a precedent as people are imagining. Two of the factors which played heavily into this verdict are the fact she was so close to the victim of the crime and spend so much time encouraging him to kill himself, as well as the fact that she encouraged him to continue after he halted the process.

I very much doubt that this is going to get applied much to basic internet hate speech of the "Neck yourself" variety.

That said, this verdict's a good one. This entire case shows a pattern of emotional abuse and torment by a cold fucking sociopath. She deserves jail time.

Looking at her face makes me angry.

It's the eyebrows....

That poor kid. What an absolutely deranged human being that girl is

Dude's a total jackass police academy reject. However, the media's hardon for him is absurd. I remember reading CNN a couple years after and on the front page there's an article about him getting a speeding ticket.

The media's fascination with stories that they can run to fan the flames of race war agitates me to no end because they're piggy backing on real issues and shitting on them to make a buck. Making up news and pushing a half baked bullshit narrative does nothing to help the overall cause when it turns out to be complete horse shit like "hands up don't shoot". After repeated incidents like that where it turns out the victims and their stories are built on lies and media manipulation of the facts people who could have been swayed to care stop taking the issue seriously because they're tired of being lied to. But hey, the media outlets need to be the first to rush out there with that breaking news to get that cash rolling on, integrity be damned.

to turn it into white man shoots black kid

I always found this funny considering George Zimmerman wasn't even white. If a Trump supporter attacked someone who looked like Zimmerman the narrative would be "white Trump supporter attacks innocent Hispanic man".

She was very likely in character after his death.

Yep, if she is a sociopath like it seems, then this entire thing was most likely an act.

Yes, this was the nail. And then she bragged about it to a friend.

idiotic breach of judgment

This was no breach of judgement. This was pure carefully planned evil.

She is out on bail till sentencing which could be probation or upto 20 yrs in jail. She will probably get probabtion

Yeah, that struck me as odd also. I've heard of cases where a kid accidentally killed another kid using wrestling moves, and he was tried as an adult.