Trump gave more information to the Russians in 5 minutes than McCain did in five and a half years as a prisoner of war in Vietnam.
I'm not a big fan of expelling ambassadors in general, but ambassadors have been expelled for less serious breaches of diplomacy, if the assailants are proven to be embassy staff.
The 1961 Vienna Treaty on Diplomatic Relations, which codifies concepts such as diplomatic immunity and the inviolability of embassies Article 9 states; "The receiving state may at any time and without having to explain its decision, notify the sending state that the head of the mission or any member of the diplomatic staff of the mission is persona non grata or that any other member of the staff of the mission is not acceptable. In any such case, the sending state shall, as appropriate, either recall the person concerned or terminate his functions with the mission."
No he wouldn't. Because John McCain just SAYS things he doesn't DO things.
"Well, I'd talk about it, and make a big deal about it, but then when it came to be time to actually act on it, I would probably get in line and be nice to him."
John "Deeply Concerned" McCain is at it again, folks.
But I thought McCain was a bad soldier???
For those that did not see the video of the clash between the bodyguards and the citizens: https://www.facebook.com/amerikaninsesi/videos/10158768770105442/
I mean, he did get caught.
In the fantasy world of redditors McCain would quit the GOP, declare support for free college for everyone, vote against all of Trump's nominees, and generally turn into Bernie Sanders.
But actually, McCain has done a lot to diminish enthusiasm for Trump while maintaining credibility with conservatives. The drip drip drip of constant negativity from McCain about Trump has definitely weighed on Trump's approval rating. There is a reason why Kremlin propaganda channels spew more lies about McCain than any other GOP politician. They know he's dangerous to Trump.
as with almost everything else in government these days, there will huffing and puffing, there will be grandstanding, there will be "outrage", there will be "determined" politicians demanding and declaring that something will be done. This will drag on for a short while...and then the "investigation" will be dragged out indefinitely, to the point that no one can even give a shit anymore, because a new fucked up thing will have happened to take our minds off of this.
US government documentation on immunity (PDF): United States Department of State, Office of Foreign Missions, Diplomatic and Consular Immunity: Guidance for Law Enforcement and Judicial Authorities
Since these guys were not diplomatic level staff, they do not have full immunity, and may have none given the nature of the crime.
McCain is half way right. The Turkish ambassador should have been called in the very next day to explain his embassy's lack of control over the bodyguards as well as to be told that a full investigation and prosecution would be taking place and that if anything like this ever happened again, the Turkish Embassy and Consulates would face severe repercussions.
Now, it'll be tit-for-tat in Turkey, but until someone smacks down Erdogan's goons good and hard, he's going to keep letting them off the leash.
Yeah. Say what you will about McCain but the man was a soldier. Trump on the other hand got a "booboo" on his foot so he couldn't make it to Vietnam.
Edit: Wanting to not go to war is fine. However thousands who fought in that war surely did not want to, but unlike Trump did not have a rich daddy to pay their way out of it.
At the same time though, should we have just done nothing? I'm not a fan of expelling ambassadors either but when you have a foreign power coming into D.C. and brutally beating American citizens, I'm sorry but that's something we just won't stand for
Omg, how have we become such coward of a nation?
The police should have arrested those suites on the spot. Some people were defending this inaction, saying that the bodyguards had guns.. So what? Call up backup, call up the national guard if you have to. A foreign power cannot exercise their might on US soil.
Cowardice is not a good reason for inaction. The Diplomats did something quite undiplomatic. I'm not saying it's an act of war, but it is quite close- it was violence on US citizens and violence against our 1st Amendment.
I don't like McCain, nor do I like war, but expelling these people seems like a measured action. Not doing so is setting up a dangerous precedent.
Yeah, I don't have high hopes that he'll do anything just like how he got over his initial disapproval of Trump. McCain will say something and then do what's in line with the Republican party. He's no maverick.
When is the last time McCain actually put his money where his mouth is and voted accordingly?
Yup, he just chooses to pose as a "war hero" to gain political points.
McCain is the guy that government contracting business loves: Important guy, talks a big game but rolls over and agrees to anything.
Straight up. This America. Throw them out. If that pushes Erdogan that easy then we have no leverage at all with him and this is an excellent way to play chess. You do not come over here and do that to our citizens. I wish I was there for the melee!
This happens 100% of the time.
Thank you, yes. McCain's behavior throughout this presidency has taken him from one of the few politicians I actually respected to someone whose opinion I don't care about in the slightest.
You're all spineless talk until we see otherwise, John.
Ah! I meant more just one who serves honorable, but thanks for your correction.
Woah they're gonna be really mad at you once they figure out how to read this comment
Let this be a warning to you! Don't you ever cross McCain or he'll talk about doing something about it!
He voted against some of the Republicans environmental destruction. I'm to lazy to get a link on my phone but you should be able to Google it.
He wasn't a soldier. He was a naval aviator
McCain, and the rest of the GOP, are Chihuahuas. They yap and yap and yap but when it actually comes time to do something, they run away with their tails tucked between their legs.
How many times has John McCain ridiculed a Trump policy plan, and then voted for it? How many times did John McCain ridicule a Trump cabinet member, then vote to confirm them?
It doesn't matter if "he's right" in this situation. He always says the right thing, then does the complete opposite.
The Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act (McCain-Feingold) was a cool thing he talked about doing and actually did. Just too bad money always has the ultimate say in America.
So to answer your question, 2002.
And if he does go and align with Russia, we could always rub salt into the wound after the fact by recognizing the Armenian genocide
heck, we could get both Georgia and Armenia aligned with NATO
You definitely get the sense that they're used to doing this regularly, and not being stopped when they do. They look so nonchalant about it.
non-facebook link: https://mobile.twitter.com/VOATurkish/status/864631567972540417/
McCain is 80 years old. One has to wonder how much career he has left. If there was any better time to be a maverick, you'd think it'd be at the end of your career when you have very little to gain by toeing the party line.
I think McCain has obviously done some courageous and bold things in his life, but as a politician, I can hardly tell him apart from the rest of the herd.
This is a little different. This actually affects US standing and image abroad. No nation, let alone the nation that builds its reputation off strength, can allow foreign officials to come onto its soil and harm its people.
If nothing is done about this, the US is going to look incredibly weak, and its going to open itself up to more abuse.
Appearing on Saturday at the Family Leadership Summit in Ames, Iowa, the real estate mogul took his running feud with Arizona Sen. John McCain to a new level.
“He’s not a war hero,” said Trump. “He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren’t captured.”
The remarks, which came after days of back-and-forth between McCain and Trump, were met with scattered boos.
Also it's fucking adorable to see an article from nearly two years ago begin:
Donald Trump might finally have crossed the line.
McCain will say just about anything if he thinks it benefits him politically. His grandstanding over Trump was just so he can say later, if/when things go to shit and Trump is forced out, that he was always critical of Trump.
Yes but Marines don't even like to be called soldiers
Well, fuck them.
Has Trump had anything to say at all about this incident? He seems to tweet about everything under the Sun, but I haven't seen anything from him yet.
If he stays silent about this, It's hard not to conclude he's putting his own benefiet over that of the country / American people (surprise!):
“I have a little conflict of interest ’cause I have a major, major building in Istanbul,” Trump said last year. “It’s a tremendously successful job. It’s called Trump Towers—two towers, instead of one, not the usual one, it’s two.”
Its just been revoked!
Sure, you legally CAN.
But here's what'll happen: Erdogan will shift even more towards Putin; NATO loses the Bosphorus, or is afraid to; McCain gets another nation to demand we invade(for the democracy, of course).
McCain is a warmonger. I get anti-Trump coalition desirees may align themselves with Kasich or others. But McCain?
I hated Obama's foreign policy. But I've never once regretted supporting him over McCain. And would vote that way a million times before once rethinking it.
It is beyond infuriating to witness American peace officers of various types lightly push away aggressive war mongering beasts as they pummel peaceful protestors in our capital.
Our fear of Russia is insane, this guys hired thugs assaulted Americans on American soil. Yet we are afraid to expel them because a dictator will cozy up to Putin. I realize there are consequences if we take action but I don't care, the consequences of not taking action are just as real. Ultimately, no American should be assaulted by a foreign power only to be arrested while the assualter flies back to turkey. It's ridiculous, we are the most powerful country by a magnitude, we have the political capital to waste on our citizen's wellbeing but we won't because as you said we have become cowards.
You mean like the Dutch did?
Like that guy at about 10 seconds into the video. He's kicking another guy on the ground and a cop pulls out his baton and hits his back a few times and the guy turns around and sees the cop and looks confused. Like he's thinking, "why would the police try to stop me? I always do this"
This is really shocking to watch. Clearly there was a group of men, mostly in suits, who were viciously going after certain protesters. This one man who was holding a bullhorn was absolutely rocked with front kicks to his face from several mean in suits. That type of hit could easily cause brain damage or serious neck injury. If this was in fact orchestrated or sanctioned by anyone associated with the Turkish Embassy, it's a gross breach of trust and diplomacy.
What surprises me the most is how the suits kept trying to go after them again and again.
Well there is a bug difference between McCain not giving breaking under torture while being help captive by the enemy and Trump giving his supervisors an update on how things are going. I know I'd get in a lot of trouble if I refused to do the job my boss hired me to do. He's just doing what the Russians hired him to do.
He says a lot of cool things, but rarely does them
No problem, they get pretty touchy about that due to the inter service rivalry but thanks!
Holy shit those comments. They're translated but here we go:
"Everyone will see the power of the Turk!!! Shoot the terrorist of the terrorist to, the women's men, don't be a man of a man." - 730 likes.
"Terrorist terrorist. No mercy. It doesn't matter if it's a woman or a man. As long as the blood is broken, you won't compromise. Thanks to your hands." - 1,900 likes.
If I beat someone the way those Turks did, I would go to prison for assault. If I had a gun on me while I did it, I would be in prison for aggravated assault, and my stay would be much longer. Either way, if an officer saw me beating someone like that, they would draw their weapon, and demand I stand down. If I refused to stand down, I would be shot. I don't buy the argument that the police were trying to avoid an international incident. An international incident was occurring, and they let those Turkish dogs hump our nation's leg. This isn't the 70s, we don't need Turkey as much as we used to. We can not allow third world dictators to flex their muscles on us.
two towers, instead of one, not the usual one, it’s two.”
"Rev up those grills, boys, we're having Turkey!"
McCain is the proof of term limits.
In English, they're still soldiers:
A soldier is one who fights as part of an organised, land based, sea based and air based armed force. A soldier can be an enlisted person, a non-commissioned officer, or an officer in the army.
... the word "soldier" has taken on a more general meaning due to the increasing specialization of military occupations that require different areas of knowledge and skill-sets. As a result, "soldiers" are referred to by names or ranks which reflect an individual's military occupation specialty arm, service, or branch of military employment, their type of unit, or operational employment or technical use such as: trooper, tanker (a member of tank crew), commando, dragoon, infantryman, artilleryman, marine, paratrooper, grenadier, ranger, sniper, engineer, sapper, craftsman, signaller, medic, or a gunner
Stop calling it a clash, Erdogans thugs attacked unprovoked
that if anything like this ever happened again, the Turkish Embassy and Consulates would face severe repercussions.
Fuck that. That should happen now. Why do you think they should get a pass for this one?
I'm planning a vacation with the wife and kids to come down from Canada and kick the shit out of a few of ya'll!
USA is now #1 on TripAdvisors best place to go to beat up the locals.
It doesn't matter if it's a woman or a man.
Well at least they believe in gender equality.
Donald Trump might finally have crossed the line.
Can we get a non-twitter link?
Holy shit... That's in Washington DC UNITED STATES? That looked like it happened in Turkey or something. It looks like the protesters are treated inhumanely.
It's truly disgusting.
The same men choked a woman and kicked her in the head. She had a concussion. Not saying that it's worse than the other guy, only traditionally people think it's even more appalling when an adult male attacks an adult female over politics.
So their behavior literally had no commonly held "rules" of battle.
I lost a lot of respect for McCain during the passage of the post 9/11 gi bill act. He fought against it using stupid arguments, and when it finally passed despite him fighting it (he played hooky during the vote) he had the dishonest balls to claim credit for it.
F u McCain.
If his cronies are that bold on U.S. soil in front of uniformed officers just imagine what they do in Turkey.
It was a citizen on the ground.
Oh cool you're the men's warehouse guy!
He voted against Trump exactly 3 times
Protesters are generally non-violent people. If this had happened at an NFL stadium tailgate, they'd never find the bodies.
FAKE war hero. SAD!
But actually, McCain has done a lot to diminish enthusiasm
Gimme a break. He's railed against Trump's appointees and then voted for them accordingly. Mccain has incessantly talked about how things are "concerning" to him, but never backs them up with his votes.
I guarantee it
Historically, this has been an awesome idea.
Indeed. When did we become such pussies? You follow American law on American soil. How hard is that to accept?
If Turkey is gonna be upset they can't send their thugs to beat up our citizens in our country, and use that as an excuse to be friends with Putin, I don't see why we should be friends with them anyways.
No he had bad shoulder.
Fuck that. I'm sick of all this 'throw them out' or 'make them apologize' crap. That is not a punishment.
We need to ID the guards, not let them leave and charge them with attempted murder and other violent felonies. I won't be happy until those guards are serving multi year jail sentences in American prisons.
McCain sure likes to grab headlines... then fall in line and vote like a robot republican voting for special interest groups instead of the people.
They frequently do this in their own country to their own protesters. This was just another Tuesday for them
They need jail time.
I thought the protesters were in amongst their ranks and a fight broke out. I'm from Texas, fights fucking happen.
But this is what it would look like if William Wallace' men charged the back of a Freddie Mercury Charity Ball, and the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders were supposed to be running security.
No sympathy for whatever happens to these douches. Wish I'd have been there for that one. It would have been cool to see someone dishing it back to those phuqboiz. I mean, what the fuck? Are. you so corrupt you think you can roll fists in D.C.? ON AMERICANS?
Dude if 4 Marines go to China and whip up on some businessmen, we go to war.
But the "Presidents" bodyguards can commit 100% attempted manslaughter, assault, and battery(i think) with impunity? Give those motherfuckers 3 months. God knows what else theyve done.
I think he did well enough, he got the guy to stop. You do not always need to bash peoples skull in. I commend him for it.
What he actually means is that he'd pay lip service to the idea, while voting for or doing the exact opposite.
Look at that shit. If you look at senate as a whole, there's only one republican who voted with Trump less than 90% of the time. What the hell is the point in electing people to represent us if all anyone does is vote down party lines? The two party system needs to go.
I was personally really surprised that zero Americans jumped in to bust these assholes in the jaw or at least stop them. Weird. I figured that we would at least have some folks ready to beat these guys down considering they just strolled right in and were smashing on other Americans. Where are those people at?
I'm not always a McCain fan, but today I am. He's right, and I would love them to toss out the Turkish Ambassador.
Your point? McCain has always opposed that decision.
I've been out for a while, but when I saw something with the word Marines in it, I had to put down my box of crayons and jar of glue and read what it was. After I mustered the strength to read it, I'm pissed. Army really sucks at combat tactics though
That made me so happy seeing that
Fucking thugs. Seriously, kick the turkish ambassador out.
One of the women assaulted was laying down completely immobile when that portly Turk in a suit moseyed on over and gave her a kick.
Yes but Marines don't even like to be called soldiers, it has little to nothing to do with the actual definition of the word soldier.
Fuck Turkey, they are going further and further to the right, embracing hard lined Islam as well as restricting freedoms.
What? Did the Dutch beat down his goons? Please link!
The guy just can't control himself, did you see this yet? https://twitter.com/missmayn/status/864520700819681281
The guy talks like he could start drooling at any moment. To this day I can't believe tens of millions of Americans actually voted for this person.
Sure, here you go: