I asked for a raise at work
And I got it!!! I’ve been so sick I honestly forgot I even asked and was shocked when my boss texted me asking me to call her. She gave me my new rate of pay and explained my job responsibilities may change or stay the same.
I’ve been going the role I’m now in on and off as help since last year but with reorganizing I’ve been doing it since October. I asked about getting the matching pay and title last week and they said yes 😭😭
I work in a male dominated (and favored) catty office so I was very surprised they agreed and raised my pay as much as they did. I’ve been feeling very down in life and just started therapy again. I’m excited to go on Monday and talk about this!!!
Congratulations! I asked for a wage rise once and got fired. I'm glad it worked out for you!
I asked for a wage rise once and got fired.
Gotta love american workers rights. Jesus.
That's every teenager's nightmare.
Here in New Zealand it's just a myth and if you got fired for asking for a pay rise (and could prove it) the company would get dragged through court.
...they're not American. Who says "wage rise" in America?
Edit: according to their history they're also not a woman lol.
Because assumptions are being made based on the original post, which is a post in TwoX that outlined their fears of asking for a raise in a male-dominated workplace. The first comment is about their experience without specifying their gender or location, so people like the person I replied to will likely assume they have similar circumstances. I thought it was funny that they immediately assumed they were American, and then I was surprised that they weren't a woman, proving my own assumptions wrong.
Nothing wrong with them being a male, it was just unexpected based on context.
Congrats! Been thinking about asking for a raise once they asked me to train a coworker. Still trying to muster up the guts to do so..
Honestly, asking for a raise is how you get one.
Seriously, if you don't ask, why would the company just give you one, if you don't seem to mind not getting one.
It saves them money and it is up to you to ask them for a raise.
I am amazed at how few women ask thier boss for a raise. I see my fellow guys asking, and sometimes getting a raise - because they ask! Try it.
DO IT. I went to my boss directly after finishing a project in which I temporarily took over a neighboring department after only 5 half days of training (I am in IT/Marketing, the other job was in charge of shipping/order processing for the whole company) managed to improve departmental efficiency and even trained a new employee to take over using the new policies I implemented, all within 2.5 weeks. It was a huge undertaking and not my responsibility at all, but I managed to pull it off. Anyway the point is, the next day after completing my time in that dept and handing everything over to the new person, I went to my boss and respectfully told him that I felt I had demonstrated my commitment to the company and willingness to do go above and beyond my job title when called upon, and that I felt I had earned a raise. He thought about it for a minute, asked how long since my last raise, and offered a dollar more per hour. I said that would be great but I was thinking two - then explained my ongoing involvement in a cross-departmental project I had begun to digitize important shipping policies and documents to the company server that were currently only stored as hard copies. He gave me the $2 more per hour. And I paced around in my office all day before I went to talk to him, I was crazy nervous and almost didn't go. But my friend and office-mate told me something that I couldn't shake: You will always be your biggest cheerleader. No one else is going to do that for you. (Almost) no one is going to voluntarily give you more money just because you are doing more work. Be your own cheerleader. Toot your own horn. And it actually freaking worked, dude! So yeah, if you are increasing and expanding your job duties, and you are so good at what you do that they're asking you to train other employees, you've earned a raise. Now go get it!
So what if they're not a woman?
Depends on the country. In the US, there is no such thing, you're not allowed to be fired for discriminatory reasons or for reporting a legal violation but otherwise you can be fired because your boss doesn't like your eyebrows.
Congratulations op! I asked for a raise for about 3 years and I was told "you should be willing to work harder for the company and not expect more in return" that was enough motivation for me to go back to school to get a computer science degree and hopefully get a job as a software engineer.
Maybe not as good as Europe, but I'm pretty sure there's a bunch of Chinese people putting together ipads right now for 25 cents contemplating jumping off the roof.. or some Africans wading through a river looking for diamonds..
Don't go in with i just want more money though. Go with my skills have improved over the time I've worked here and that justifies it. Of course spoken better than that.
If phrased properly, it is an appropriate question in the work place. :) I often see mixed results arising from it.
I was offered a substantial increase for another agency once. But I didnt want to go. I talked about it with my boss as a mentor, and we both agreed the money was too good to pass on. About a week later, I was told a massive raise was headed my way.
I felt valued (and validated.)
This isn't entirely true, it depends on the State you are working in. Some are "at will", and some aren't.
I typed up a list of accomplishments and brought it to my annual evaluation to accompany my request for a raise. It's hard to argue with a physical list like that.
[Child garment worker in Cambodia slowly lowers her hand and goes back to her task]
One of the reasons frequently given for the persistent gender pay gap around the world is women’s reluctance to ask for a raise. But a new study shows that women ask for more pay just as often as men do—but get it less often.
In fact, the study, by the Cass Business School in London, the University of Warwick in the U.K., and the University of Wisconsin, revealed that women were 25% less likely than men to get a hike in pay when they asked for it.
Yeah (though I think 48 states are at will?) and there's more situations where you are protected. But as a general rule, for someone not used to American work culture, what I said is approximately right.
Surely that's unfair dismissal.
Are we paying you to work or to raise your hand?
Nah they put nets up so people can't jump anymore, problem solved.
This may shock you, but oftentimes when women ask for raises, they don't get them.
I've been consistently asking for a pay adjustment to reflect my actual job duties for 2 years (yes, I know, I "should have left by now", but my particular industry is very small and leaving would mean moving states, which is not possible for me at the moment). Outside of the COL raises everyone gets (which end up totaling less than $1000/yr), my requests have fallen on deaf ears. A while back, I told my manager I would not be taking on anymore responsibilities until he adjusted my pay accordingly. He says I'll be getting a raise I'll be happy with at the end of this month, but we'll see.
This is sort of a myth. At-will employment is a thing, but there are dozens of exceptions and federal statutes that govern it. Employers in at-will states still live in fear of wrongful termination suits.
That's not what right to work means. Right to work means that unions have to represent people who don't pay dues.
Edit: Also, it's illegal to fire someone for getting pregnant in any state. Not to say it doesn't happen, but if you can prove that's the cause, any labor lawyer will be happy to sue that company's pants off.
ADA also requires your employer to provide reasonable accommodation for pregnancy related issues.
Saying that having a woman in power means 0 sexism is dumb. My old company had woman CEO. My team was male dominated (<10% women). A lot of women faced sexual harassment from clients and they did nothing. And the CEO was avidly against maternity leave.
From what I can tell this is not based on job type, but generally compares average raise approvals from any jobs. if you want to believe this, you must also believe all jobs offer the same opportunities for raises, which simply isn't true.
I ask for raises for my team, because as a manager, I know my team needs yearly cost of living increases or they will start looking for other jobs. The cost for me to train new employees is much higher than a 2-3% cost of living increase.
I’m working with my team for them to achieve certification in the field and I expect them to have increased pay for increased responsibility. Otherwise I will lose them to other companies.
The worse example I’ve seen is at one company a guy working there was making $30k less than the market salary rate that I asked for and received for the same position.
The same thing happens to me, and other men, as well. I am advising you to ask, rather than to assume that you will be denied.
Don't wait for your gut. If they trust you enough to train new employees they obviously trust your judgement. The worst they can do is lose the skills you have. And it sounds to me like they aren't gunna do that.
Good luck friend.
When the researchers of the new study broke down the data by age, they found that younger women successfully negotiated raises as often as young men did. In particular, women under the age of 40 managed to negotiate for higher pay.
If you are under 40, according to the study you cited, gender shouldn't matter.
Older women are more likely to be married, and are less likely to be the primary wage earner than men - this gap can also be explained by saying that, if you are the primary wage earner in a family, you are going to be more aggressive with negotiations.
I'm not saying that there isn't descrimination based on gender when asking for wages, but the study you cited doesn't provide significant evidence of descrimination.
Congratulations! You had the ovaries to ask, and it paid off! Well done.
I never want children and I think maternity leave should exist
Women managers can still perpetuate sexism. I had a female manager who praised her male subordinates all the time, and blamed/punished female subordinates. She would inappropriately do this in meetings, too. I once found out my male counterpart made 10% more for the same work - when I asked for a matching raise she told me I wasn't as valuable. I was given a smaller raise though as consolation. I eventually left the job in large part because of the unfair treatment of women.
I'm all for more women asking to be paid their worth, don't get me wrong. But it's naive to think that the rules and treatment are actually the same for men and women, because they are not.
When I, a young female employee, sat down across from my three older white male managers to justify why I was asking for a raise with tons of data backing up that I'm severely underpaid, their eyes all but glazed over. When my husband (we work together) even hinted that he might leave the company, they threw buckets of money at him to get him to stay and then later told me my raise was shitty because my husband got a great raise.
I am the only person at my company who does my job whereas my husband is one of several who perform his job function. They could hire almost two people for the money my husband makes, but if I left, they would need to pay my replacement 1.5x (at least) what I make.
Why do you feel the need to be mean to someone you dont even know?
That’s what I was also worried about 😬 Someone who was was in the same role as me, made the same, started same time, etc transferred somewhere with a much higher COL and into the same role I’m in now and wasn’t given much of an increase. She sucks at both jobs so LOL
In a previous comment, that user said that her industry was small and the only other opportunities were in other states. So her company may know that she's underpaid, but know that her husband overpaid salary basically prevents her from leaving.
Oh, man, I remember how nervous I was when I was negotiating for the pay for my current job. I'd never really done it before and I was asking way more than the offer.
They came back with an even bigger number. When I have shitty days at work I try to remember that they showed me right off what they think I'm worth to the department, and it's quite a bit.
This is entirely true. Even many minimum wage jobs at large companies will require at least a few write ups to terminate someone.
Granted, the quality of those right ups can be nitpicky, but that's why they have rules ambiguous or ignored by enough people...so they can pick and choose who they want to write up/terminate.
Because most are already aware just how cheap their company are, so they don't bother. And when you do ask, it feels like you're at a candy store and your mother is telling you no you can't have any.
Except for earning 2x wages in certain industries compared to European standards.
Source: Worked in both places, make way, way more in the US.
But yes, it's better to be poor in the EU than the US.
? If the person shouldn't get the raise, then you just say no. How on earth does that become enough to fire someone over?
Good for you!
but if I left, they would need to pay my replacement 1.5x (at least) what I make.
If that is true than tell them you will leave unless you get a raise - surely they will give it to you if the option are paying you more money, or hiring someone else for even more. Maybe get a job offer from a different company first so you have a backup plan, if you are being underpaid by 50% that shouldn't be hard.
And what a typical twoX response to just hivemind and downvote anything that goes against their echo chamber of safety
How about downvoting things that don't add anything to the conversation and instead just mock the community they're in?
One woman doesn't mean it isn't male dominated.
This is showing the truth of the idea that men see the underrepresentation of women as equality and equality as domination by women.
Yeah. This. I’m a man working in a female majority office. 26 employees, only3 men. I recently found out through an email error that I make more than all the women in my position. I also found out that I am the only one to ask for a raise. I wouldn’t have gotten one without asking, just like non of my colleagues have one because they haven’t asked.
Two whole women!!
It's not victim culture. Sexism is real. Don't be a jerk.
Judged by complete lack of job security. You can be fired on a whim. Source: me. Worked in the US and Europe.
What a breath-takingly intelligent post.
As far as I can tell, 90% of the people on /sub/childfree are against maternity leave.
Tomorrow you is going to REALLY love yesterday you. Nicely done! If you keep that up sooner or later today you is going to be ecstatic :)
Last year Alabama passed an amendment declaring it a "right to work" state. Right to work=you can be fired from your job at any time with no reason.
And now this shit is codified in my state's constitution.
Right to work employment agreements are more and more prevalent in the States, just as more and more unions protecting employee rights are choked out. The problem is systemic.
The working world is full of petty, overemotional, bigoted, and shortsighted bosses. I've never been fired from a place of employment, but I've seen it happen to a number of people for some of the most arbitrary reasons imaginable.
You don't spend much time out, do you?