I am NOT A bigot. Are You?

I am NOT A bigot. Are You?

It's funny how I've been called mysogynist, rapist, murderer and also human trashcan by twitter, only because I am a gamer.

My grandfather, who recently started playing the settlers 2, also referred to himself as gamer recently. Never knew that he was such a disgusting piece of shit(just kidding, I love you gramps).

Aren't those people fighting for equality and social justice? Don't they realize that stigmatizing a whole group of people for their name, simply because of superstitions and misbeliefs, socially sets them back hundreds of years?

But seriously, this whole thing has gotten out of hand quickly. And I don't mean those, who keep a cool head and look at the facts. Like the fact that almost the entirety of established video game journalism, doesn't consist of actual journalists, but of people "who kinda did something somewhere before, and sorta slipped in". People who simply lack proper journalistic education and, as we know now, intergrity.

Just look at what's happening on those websites. Does it look "professional" to you? Polygon, Kotaku, RPS, IGN and Gamespot and so on, are not professional, and they never were. A large portion of their success came from the fact that those writing and making videos, were "just gamers", like us, almost buddies. And that their articles were professional enough for us. Only now, the majority of us realizes how terrible that has been for the journalistic integrity.

Those people did what they had to do to keep their sites running, and the big companies easily abused that fact.

Seriously, I reached a point where I wouldn't mind seeing it all burn to the ground. I wish gaming would be recognized in such a way that established news media would cover it like they cover books, music, movies and sometimes comics. And rarely they do. I already read some great articles in some great papers and magazines, but sadly we're just not there yet for it to become a naturalness. Of course, a portion of said media also has questionable integrity, but at least gaming would be out of the box, and would be covered by not just shitty, but also great media. Right now, we're simply stuck with what we've got.

I'm sure this has something to do with Anita Sarkeesian.

Aren't those people fighting for equality and social justice?

No. They're fighting just because they want to argue with people and feel better about themselves. They don't actually care about anything, they just want people to see them as a hero but they're the exact opposite because they are more destructive than positive. Their actions are ruining gaming and instead of inciting openness and raising awareness of issues they are fabricating sensationalist bullshit or warping things taken out of context to fit their selfish and misguided agendas.

I love women, I respect women. I am aware of and respect people with disabilities, I have a disability. I am aware of and respect peoples' rights to be whatever gender they want. I do not see how any of this bullshit that is going on is actually going to change gaming other than completely destroy anything good about it. They're ramming their bullshit horns head-first into a china-shop full of everything there is in gaming.

These same people will no doubt go on to try to ban black ink because it's racist or ban heterosexual marriage because it is offensive to people with three dicks and 4 vaginas. They're sick, they have an illness but lots of people enable their illness instead of helping them by offering them therapy for fear of looking bad so they get away with it, not just get away with it but actually succeed! This world is doomed.

not sure why you're down voted so far. Anita Sarkessian's company's PR is done by silver string media, which was the PR company legobutts is part of. Legobutts is also PR for Zoe Quinn, and is rumored to have slept with the head of the IGF while every game that won the IGF was connected to silverstring media in some way. As you can see she's only tangentially related.

I have played video games with men, women, transgendered people, and people of all races, backgrounds and belief systems for years -- thousands and thousands of hours.

One of my e-friends had their legs blown off in a war, and I vicariously enjoyed how they could continue being a warrior in an alternate reality. Another was a teenage victim of a bitter divorce that they did not understand and needed to escape.

Every day they would shed the problems and hardships of their real lives and go adventuring with the rest of us. Those of us with able bodies, good health and few real-life disadvantages to speak of would relish how we could help them find some real enjoyment in their lives. All we had to do to help was play alongside them.

Game environments can be free from all the biases and stigmas of the real world. You are only who you choose to be in games, and you are judged only on your words and actions. Your gender, orientation, race, and religion have never mattered in games. In that sense, game environments are unambiguously a better and more wholesome place to form real friendships that are unfettered by the stigmas and biases of real life. They make the superficial friendships of reality, which are often based on common skin color, belief system, or background, feel fake in comparison.

I have never seen the faces of some of my closest e-friends. I don't know any of their irrelevant qualities such as age, sexual orientation, race, or religion. I still know them very well. I'd bail them out of jail if I had the opportunity.

It bothers me that anyone would want to poison these pristine virtual environments -- the kind that are painstakingly designed to foster nothing but positive experiences, comradery, friendship and fun -- with any agenda other than playing together toward a common goal.

I am a gamer. My attributes are compassion, class, sportsmanship, and respect for the game. There is no hate in my heart, and stereotyping me, generalizing me, or pigeonholing me into a grotesque caricature of an angsty, privileged, bigoted, ignorant person will not change that. I will prove that stigma wrong with every single interaction I have within or while playing a game.

Ironic that a "journalist" can label a vast amount of people and generalise against them all, Yet have the gall to call us "bigots" just because we enjoy video games. It's a fucking joke.

I implore anyone and everyone to boycott gaming websites that endorse this type of sentiment. I also ask that you spread the message to get other people to stop visiting them too. Get your news from YouTubers like TotalBiscuit etc... you know... people who have integrity and don't insult their demographic.

Could somebody help me out here? What's this all about? As a casual gamer I am confused as to what is going on here. Thank's guys.

Edit: Thank you for all the replies everyone, I think I get it now.

Basically a lot of gaming websites were found to be colluding with a lot of highly feminist journalists/indie game developers. (IE: The Indie Games Festival is entirely rigged. )

It turns out the left hand was washing the right hand and visa-versa and trying to push a certain agenda or make sure certain indie developers gain support while others crash and burn; because they were all "buddies" or fucking eachother.

The penultimate head of this chaos was solidified when it was found out that a very specific PR company was pushing these articles through these websites. Proof of this was found when they launched about 20 articles through multiple major gaming sites at once calling all gamers sexist and biggots, while trying to mask the fact they are all frauds, fucking eachother, or just outright lying.

It's a lot. None of the people involved deserve to have jobs and a lot of these sites should be shut down.

TL; DR: Turns out the people telling you that you are a piece of shit are even larger pieces of shit themselves.

Pretty much the whole gaming media. The likes of Kotaku, Gamasutra and so on.

It started off with an indie dev, Zoe Quinn, sleeping with a writer at Kotaku who was giving her good press for her game on Kotaku.

But since then it has gotten worse as people dug deeper. What we got was this web of corruption and very little in terms of integrity. Also the issue of the game charity being destroyed by Zoe and others and then creating the same thing with them as the heads.

What was a big concern may have eventually died down if people could talk about it. But pretty much every major gaming site wiped out any form of discussion and kept as quiet as possible.

But then it hit twitter and it blew up. So, keeping quiet didn't work so they went to plan B. Shame everyone into being quiet.

First part of that was articles from all the major game sites that where all posted on the same day. The rough draft is basically "the death of gamers" which tries to link the term "gamer" with sexist, racist, white male privileged and so on.

It was pretty obvious that they had all got a memo to post this.
A little bit of digging around and we get a link to a rather influential PR company that's very aggressive in feminist rights. This PR crowd had been posting these around which only fueled the flame.

And then this PR company is being tied to IGF (Independent Games Festival) where most of the big indie games and devs take off. This connection leading to influencing who wins and looses.

As of now, the attempt at shaming is still where we're at. It's a lot messier than what I posted but it's a bit of what's going on.

Pretty much the whole gaming media. The likes of Kotaku, Gamasutra and so on.

It started off with an indie dev, Zoe Quinn, sleeping with a writer at Kotaku who was giving her good press for her game on Kotaku.

But since then it has gotten worse as people dug deeper. What we got was this web of corruption and very little in terms of integrity. Also the issue of the game charity being destroyed by Zoe and others and then creating the same thing with them as the heads.

What was a big concern may have eventually died down if people could talk about it. But pretty much every major gaming site wiped out any form of discussion and kept as quiet as possible.

But then it hit twitter and it blew up. So, keeping quiet didn't work so they went to plan B. Shame everyone into being quiet.

First part of that was articles from all the major game sites that where all posted on the same day. The rough draft is basically "the death of gamers" which tries to link the term "gamer" with sexist, racist, white male privileged and so on.

It was pretty obvious that they had all got a memo to post this. A little bit of digging around and we get a link to a rather influential PR company that's very aggressive in feminist rights. This PR crowd had been posting around which only fueled the flame.

And then this PR company is being tied to IGF (Independent Games Festival) where most of the big indie games and devs take off. This connection leading to influencing who wins and looses.

As of now, the attempt at shaming is still where we're at. It's a lot messier than what I posted but it's a bit of what's going on.

I was pretty confused too, as I hadn't heard anything about the blowup. Here's a comment on this thread that summarizes it pretty well.

Also there's #DescribeAGamerIn4Words on twitter... just take a look and scroll through.

In summary: Something weird went down in gaming journalism involving nepotism, and now several major gaming websites (from what I gather, Kotaku and Polygon, among others) have posted articles insulting gamers (apparently particularly white, male gamers). There's some kind of smear campaign going on against gamers, and it's odd that some of the big gaming websites seemed to have kicked this off.

this guys video

If you haven't already, check out as well. He explains a bit more of what's happening with the gaming media at the moment.

Also check out /sub/kotakuinaction There posting lots of information related to the whole scandal. Admins banning subreddits, Joss Whedon and Adam Baldwin getting involved and a mod from /sub/games got quietly removed just because someone thought he might be leaking info about the ZQ thing.

"Gutsy"

Boogie basically parrots the general opinion of internet gamers in all of his videos, I don't blame him for making some money, but to call any of his videos "gutsy" is as far away from the truth as you can get. Even in this video he didn't call out any names, he's basically doing the minimum of addressing the issue whilst not stepping on anyone's toes.

Gaming websites posting articles insulting gamers.

Isn't that like cutting off your nose to spite your face? In the short run I can kind of see what they are doing (putting out provocative articles to get more ad revenue clicks), but in the long run they are going to completely alienate their target audience (if they haven't already).

...People keep talking about gamers being attacked right now... Uhh... Where? Im honestly curious. Im not disbelieving Ive just not encountered much hostility except from other gamers in games like LoL.

a mod from /sub/games got quietly removed just because someone thought he might be leaking info about the ZQ thing.

Was that really quiet? I'm not a quiet guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFSYAn6pPFg

Dead set, i watched this and with no back ground info immediately thought that Anita Sarkeesian had something to do with it... you pointed out she kind of does. (tangentially )

Found it hilarious that now i'm trying to found out a little more about this 'gamer-gate' thing... the top comment in this thread has a link to a guy explaining it and he mentions Anita in the first minute!

SJW's are extremists that only care about pulling people down. This is why they focus on privilege instead of focusing on discrimination and raising people up. They're extreme rhetoric makes everyone look bad even the people they claim to represent.

SJW's and people like Anita are not going to "save gaming." The idea that video games can promote misogyny or racism are just as absurd as the idea that they could promote violence.

If I had to guess, these people aren't so much in the gaming business as much as they're an advocacy group. Rather than being brutish and using a smear campaign that would have been ignored, they went the sophisticated route.

They planted people in the right places, pushed their agendas on a personal level so as to recruit people with a real voice in the industry with a sweet spot between manipulative enough to buy what they're selling, yet strong enough to not back down when push came to shove by their listeners.

The "Quinnspiracy" simply blew their cover, and now gamers know what's going on. A bully feminist advocacy group masquerading as gamers to push their agenda has been revealed and is clearly puppeting journalists into being their voice. Instead of these nutjobs picketing and whining from the sidelines, they seem more legitimate because they seem to be coming from the gaming industry.

Gamers have long tried to uphold their hobby as a true art. Despite our frustrations such as the whole Mass Effect 3 ending fiasco, we have to respect designers artistic choices. Then here comes Silverstring Media and their SJW's trying to dictate what is and isn't right to include in games. That isn't their place, nor anyone's. The only thing that should dictate what is and isn't acceptable are the gamers voting with their wallets, not subversive manipulation by advocacy groups that feel the need to parent and push their ideology.

Please don't shadowban me...

some dude posted a video explaining a fuckery going on.... was on reddit yesterday. lemme see if i can find it for you and will edit it in here...

EDIT - shazam, here it is http://www.reddit.com/sub/videos/comments/2f6sey/indiefensible_the_maya_legobutts_kramer_story_v2/

It's backwards for sure.

I don't know how they plan on getting away with it, but then again I'm pretty out of the loop. From the little info I can gather, it seems like, 1) People made mistakes 2) People tried to cover up mistakes 3) Gamers got mad at them 4) ??? 5) Gaming websites say that the "Gamer is dead", smear campaign, etc. 6) More coverups and lack of communication 7) Pressure cooker

I.e., people made mistakes, and then in an effort to cover themselves, blamed the people they're writing for--gamers. I don't think it was well thought through.

No, the problem is that the video games industry is still relatively new, and parasitic industries that latched onto it (games "Journalism") are also young.

The way it grew up somehow intermingled it with a weird political agenda that is not only uninclusive, it's aggressive. The whole thing with that fatty purple hair chick is just the jumping off point for people that don't want to be told that their race or gender isn't good enough when they're looking at game reviews.

What's the answer? For 3-4 groups of people from within this pissed off demographic to make their own gaming media outlets. Outcompete the idiots. It won't be THAT hard to do, and the games audience has money and good fans.

It simply doesn't make sense to have an industry dominated by people who antagonize their own customers. That makes zero sense and won't last.

Continually arguing about "Why gamers are assholes" is antagonizing them. And you know what? That will lose these idiots money. Because when you antagonize people and write articles antagonizing them from different angles and in increasingly depth, you simply piss them off. And then they won't give you money anymore.

It will be fun watching these people squirm as they dig their own graves further and further and develop and ultra-niche audience that doesn't spend the kind of money on games that the majority audience does.

Money talks. Their politics are irrelevant.

Seems they're trying to get a new audience in a desperate attempt to stay relevant. Reporting on games isn't significant enough for them anymore, they need some big issue to get worked up over to validate themselves. Thus, they've joined the SJW team since it's currently the easiest way to hate other people and feel smug and superior to us 'gamers'.

Now I can't say if they're losing viewers, but I don't really see the point of these journalism sites. I can get all the information I want about games from Reddit or Youtube. No big loss to me if those sites are now turning into SJW blogs with a gaming lean. I can stick to /sub/pathofexile, for example, and not give a shit about what these journalists are up to, because that sub provides more information on what I want than those sites ever will.

Why do people care? Let the tumblr generation say whatever they like, it's not going to effect gaming in the slightest. Even humouring this as an issue is giving it credibility as a problem.

I also hate it when people don't realise that gaming goes beyond what people perceive as the 'gaming community'. The VAST majority of gamers are oblivious to this tumblr/twitter/genderwar bullshit, and wouldn't care to know.

Can someone please tell me why I should care what people think of me as a gamer, and that this isn't just the next tedious topic that fuels Youtube shout-at-screeners. Youtubers are the worst for fuelling this bullshit, "When did gaming stop being about the games!?", then proceeds to involve themselves in the next bullshit topic. Call me what you like, I'm only going to care if I value your opinion - and like I said before, reacting to this nonsense only implies they're relevance or valued.

The internet has gotten so big and diverse that there is a hater and a lover for everyone and everything, just fucking get over it and move on.

The lack of transparency and open communication is what I find the most frustrating. Admins banning subreddits and shadowbanning people. Mods deleting anything related to it even if it's neutral on the ZQ stuff like TotalBiscuits was.

Their hurting their own cause and they don't even realize it. If these people are all so innocent then why are they afraid of discussion or to stand under scrutiny? The way everybody circled the wagons stinks of fear and denial.

My question is though why would they want to make the gamer out to look like that if they are in the gaming business? Thats what I am kind of confused about. You can really take whats happening to the gaming industry and tie it to anything like sports. However currently gaming is starting to become even bigger than it ever has with the streaming and indie developers. I honestly don't really visit gaming sites and I use /sub/gamernews for my gaming news so I don't really see all of this shit happening besides the Zoe Quin shit. I personally don't even give a about gamers being branded this way cause I am not a moron and I know its untrue. Gaming has a young audience and with it comes immaturity so you see this stupid shit happen more often especially when they can take away a sense of worth for becoming known with chats and gaming sites for being trolls. Honestly this convo is as far as I will go with this subject anyways. If you need me I will be playing video games.

I mentioned this on another post on a similar topic, but I find that watching the Lets Play videos on youtube has a bigger impact on me buying a game rather than reading a review by a game critic. Before youtube, I could see the importance of game journalism/review websites, but now with all the user content on the subject on youtube, the review sites just do not seem as relevant anymore, unless you want to get a consensuses score of a specific game like on metacritic.

You are probably right about the sites trying to find a new audience. It just seems to be such a Jump the Shark type move on their part though.

I don't think you understand these are key figures in the industry calling gamers misogynists, terrorists, etc. No other industry is that unprofessional. That's why people are so pissed off, the constant unprofessional corruption