Fuck the title.

Stupidest story line.

“OMG I haven’t seen you guys for years! I can’t believe you all survived through unbelievable odds and hardships.” Next day “That’s it, I’m turning against you all”

“I only trust two things in this world, myself and lemon cakes. And you two ain’t looking so yellow.”

Sansa Stark probably

EDIT: My highest rated comment is now about Sansa and her fucking lemony lemon cakes. Do I get a flair or something now?

First Gold! Thanks Stranger!

Wait a minute.. this is meta, this isn't Jonearys shitposting, this isn't Jonsa shipping or shitting and this definitely isn't fangirling.

I feel.. good? Is this magic?

"I have come here to eat lemon cakes and execute siblings. And I'm all out of lemon cakes."

whose

There's a supposed deleted scene where Sansa goes to talk with Bran he tells her that littlefinger is full of shit.

I still think the storyline is crappy but I think that scene would have made it a little more cohesive. Apparently they cut it because they wanted to create a "wtf" moment out of then air.

Seems more like a "why the fuck" moment than a "what the fuck"

edited for stupid quote placement

Yeah it was pretty silly. It felt cheap. There was no indication that they were so secretly working together against Littlefinger. They had private scenes of just them two almost killing each other

Sort of the opposite. In the deleted scene, Sansa tells Bran that Arya is plotting against her and Bran uses his three nippled raven powers to expose Baelish which leads to the trial fake out. It basically proves the Sansa Arya scenes were to be taken at face value and they really were on the edge of betraying one another.

This is glorious. Would love to have seen Sansas reaction if it really did play out like this.

Last second revelation that changed Sansa's mind:

Arya stole Hotpie's lemon cake recipe

THANK THE GODS FOR BABY BEAR AND HER 62 GOOD MEN.

Luckily Sansa was in charge or the stupid Northerner who spent decades living in the frozen north through multiple winters learning his craft wouldn’t have thought to put leather on his fucking armor.

I don’t know why that scene irked me as much as it did.

Also they were lucky that clever Sansa was there otherwise they wouldn't have realized they need to store fucking food in the winter. There's got to be better ways to show the audience she is a good ruler.

But does Lady Mormont know she needs to store grain??

GODS I HATED SANSA THEN

fewer

Or that you need leather on armour to keep warm in winter?

This is Klebb's magic

Something like this I'm sure.

Fuck me, I hate grammar.

Sansa „my sister is crazy, she says I should have died in KL and now she threatens to kill me, so it would be good to have her executed ... but maybe I should ask my brother for advice before“

Bran does weird 3EC thing „LF sucks“

Sansa „Arya, LF sucks let’s kill him“

Arya „ok“

killing LF

Sansa thinking „Oh Arya sis, we now love each other again. You did somehow totally forget that you think I betrayed our family, which changed not a bit by killing LF. We killed a man together so everything is forgiven and forgotten ... though I wonder if you will ever ask about our brother RICKON who recently died. Seems like you have forgotten he existed, all you were talking about was killing“

FETCH ME THE LEMON CAKE STRETCHER!

No fuck olly

or this

It ended up awkwardly executed, but it isn't that weird that Sansa and Arya would have a wedge between them. They never liked eachother, then spent years apart, and Arya comes back as a super gifted killer who is often kind of creepy, and Littlefinger tries to build paranoia. It works better from Sansa's POV than Arya's I think.

At least it ended with a good final scene.

Because it's clearly interpreted to show Sansa as an inspiring, decisive leader, but it's just so goddamn contrived.

It's like those reality shows where they show the manager ordering staff around to mop the floors, because clearly, every good operation needs a manager micromanaging staff instead of having policies.

Same here. It's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere.

62 MORMONTS ON AN OPEN FIELD, NED!

The only nice thing about the offseason is that the memes will adapt and evolve ever so slowly - like a river carving its way through rock.

I chuckled at that. Shit was funny you sly bastard.

GENERAL KENOBI!!! GODS YOU WERE A BOLD ONE THEN

Slow down! I'm taking notes here!

Do you think we should build up defenses? I've been mulling it over, and need Grand Lady Sansa to make a decision.

I wonder if you will ever ask about our brother RICKON who recently died. Seems like you have forgotten he existed

Didn't Arya think that Rickon was already dead, killed by Theon? Sansa thought that until Theon told him the truth in season 5. Arya haven't heard about the Battle of Bastards until he met Hot Pie, so why would she know that Theon didn't kill Bran and Rickon? She didn't find out that Rickon is dead when she got back to Winterfell, she found out that Bran isn't.

Yep. They care more about "shocking twists" and "dramatic reveals" than actually explaining how they got there.

Another example would be the dragon - they cared more about the 'cool' shot of it sliding into the lake than they did about how the wights were actually supposed to get it out of the lake.

GODS I WAS FEWER BACK THEN

This right here is how you win content creator of the year 2018

Yep. They care more about "shocking twists" and "dramatic reveals" than actually explaining how they got there.

But enough about The Last Jedi.

BEFORE I PISS MESELF

If I watch this enough do you think I can convince my brain that this is what happened in the show?

Good one!

Because it's clearly interpreted to show Sansa as an inspiring, decisive leader, but it's just so goddamn contrived.

I think the problem is we know she isn't. At no point do I remember her doing something smart or clever. She's been a pawn her entire life and even when we thought she was about to play the game, littlefinger pawns her off as a fucktoy. There's no believable arc in where she becomes something other than a liability for the Stark family.

As soon as the dragon was killed, you should've known it was coming back anyways.

But why did the showrunners have to drop it in the lake? They didn't, they just thought the scene of it sliding into the ice would make a cool shot. They didn't care about what came after.

how the dragon is removed doesn't really need to be shown.

What are you even on about?

They did show the wights getting it out of the lake.

The problem is, the way they pulled it out of the lake made zero sense. They used these massive chains, but there's no reason there would be that many chains Beyond the Wall, when the Wildlings can barely even smith crude weapons.

All the showrunners had to do was have it land in a pile of snow or something. But no, they wanted the cool shot of it sliding into the lake, without coming up with a reasonable way to get it out of the lake. It's a minor thing on its own, but they've been doing shit like that for at least two seasons now.

Well, if she has believed they were both killed together and then someone told her that Bran is here and very much alive, the first thing I would ask is if my other brother is alive too.

This is getting out of hand. Now there are two of us!

FUCK OLLY

Except Arya was playing the game of lies with Sansa in her bedroom. She explained that you have to lie, everything she said to Sansa was a lie, and lies that Sansa should have known full well were lies. As children, Arya never wanted to wear pretty dresses, for example. Then Sansa sends Brianne away, even though she’s supposed to protect her. So Sansa thought she was in danger but sends away her most loyal guard? And wtf is Bran doing, after he already spies on littlefinger’s past enough to know that he’s a piece of shit?

If we were supposed to believe they wanted to kill each other until the very end, I think that makes the actual plot worse.

It was Jon snow saying how he’s gonna meet up with daenarys and eat her ass on a boat

I think the problem is we know she isn't. At no point do I remember her doing something smart or clever. She's been a pawn her entire life and even when we thought she was about to play the game, littlefinger pawns her off as a fucktoy. There's no believable arc in where she becomes something other than a liability for the Stark family.

Exactly. They wanted to suddenly have her develop into a decisive, knowledgeable leader, but instead of slowing developing that, they just give her a couple of contrived lines that they can point to and say "see! She does know what she's doing."

On top of that, they do it at the expense of the northerners. They had to make them dumber so Sansa had something to do.

It simply doesn't work.

Wasn't that guy from The Vale, though?

I think Sansa proved that she's not stupid. I think she proved it fairly well.

She did a good job. I think Jon made the right call.

She saw through Littlefinger's bullshit too. She's much smarter than her mother.

I remember when the episode first aired and people were trying to convince me that it made sense because Littlefinger has spies everywhere so them fighting in private is just some really elaborate ruse.

It was far and away the dumbest plot resolution on the show so far. So much time trying to build up a sense of conflict and drama only to go "lol jk" at the end for shock value.

Perhaps we should stack firewood as well?

I thought that was a knight of the Vale and not a northerner.

I love the look of worry on Lyanna's face when she hears this.

Ease up. Apostrophe is also used to show possession. As in:

"I'm leaving them both in good hands"

"Whose?"

"Lady Mormont's"

Easy enough to confuse whose with who's. Be happy we got some OC

whomst've

Not to mention that they've made a point of showing how the wights can't really swim. Heck, they all stopped in a giant circle around Jon and co for days, because of a small moat.

As soon as the dragon was killed, you should've known it was coming back anyways. It's not a shock at all, and how the dragon is removed doesn't really need to be shown.

What?

BY THE NINE! HOW DID THIS HAPPEN, WE'RE SMARTER THAN THIS!

This was very entertaining, but I have to say for the record, that I disagree with it.

I mean, I'm 100% sure that Lady Mormont is a kickass ruler, but...

Can you imagine if she teamed up with Sansa though?

Killer-duo.

Well, maybe she did ask, offscreen. Sansa says "Bran is home too", Arya smiles, then her smile fades - maybe because Sansa didn't mention Rickon. And then the scene cuts to Arya meeting Bran. It's easy to imagine that offscreen, she asked what happened, and Sansa told her than Bran and Rickon were not killed together, but Rickon was killed later. But onscreen, that would be a character explaining something that the audience already knows; kind of a waste of time.

Not everyone is a native speaker you know. I speak 4-5 languages and English obviously isn’t the best of them. Trying to improve though

TOO LATE

Another happy landing!

Well I can't even remember what the actual dialogue for the scene was, so I'm inclined to guess that it went down like this.

I'm not comfortable making that decision, sorry.

...two almost killing each other

They're sisters. That's how they show love and affection.

And everyone clapped.

Yea, sure it could have been offscreen. But that is then bad writing imo. They showed us how Arya told Sansa about her list and the people who she wants to kill (which we know already too), and no conversation about her dead brother, which should be the first thing they would talk about. These are just small details but they bothers me a bit. They did let it out because the audience didn’t care about Rickon, because of very little screentime and lines. But that wouldn’t mean anything to Arya, she would still care for her brother.

Another one of these small things is that we never had Gendry mention Arya. I mean... he had quite some conversations with Jon, maybe mention that you traveled with his (deadthought) sister. He even had a crush on her in the books.

So yea. These conversations are just minor things. If they have limited screentime, then better choose well what is important to the character, what would he say, how would he act, and not just what would the audience like. They did make up the whole Arya-Sansa S7 plot to trick the audience and have that one shockmoment when Sansa says „Lord Baelish“, instead of focusing that the story makes sense and the characters do, what the characters would do.

Arya made sense. The mental gymnastics used by Sansa fans to explain how she was really the one controlling Littlefinger and not the other way around... didn't.

She was being manipulated and her siblings helped her out. Where it got confused is when fans started making things up, like Sansa and Arya arguing all being a ruse to manipulate LF.

Also wouldn't the Tradesman of the north have all the left or been killed. That could have been the new guy

It all made perfect sense to me. Arya was unsure what happened to her sister since she'd been gone. (Remember she doesn't know all that we know). She was playing the face game with her. She wasn't really lashing out at Sansa. Arya was testing and observing her to see how she would respond. When we see her in that last scene before it's all revealed, we see her explaining the face game to Sansa and she hands Sansa the dagger. At that point she's determined Sansa is true and Arya lets her know what's going on (off camera) and the next thing we see is them executing the plan to execute Littlefinger that they agreed on off camera.

I laughed way too hard at Brienne’s sigh. Like she’s silently agreeing about Sansa doing stupid shit. 😂😂😂🔥

I don't get why everyone found it confusing. I mean Arya pretty much describes and then plays the game of faces with Sansa.

To be fair the obsession with a ten year old leading an army got out of fucking hand as well.

Plus, at least in the books, Arya kinda saw Sansa as a party to the Lannisters and ned's death, but there's also the whole "the pack survives" thing, so I don't know

It's a fair criticism imo. There are better people Jon could leave in charge than Mormont (but they wouldn't have been as funny/awesome), but show-Sansa's not one of them. She was put in charge of the North in a desperate situation with zero leadership experience. And it doesn't help that she did a lot of dumb stuff in season 7

That's ok. Sansa's a stable genius. She's got this.

I agree. She's not perfect, but half the Lords there have done nothing to earn Jon's trust, almost half are from the Vale, and the ones showing the most loyalty so far are all in grade school. Has to be Sansa

I mean if your sister had a bag of severed faces, you’d probably lose trust in her too lol

I think it's safe to say spectacle and fan service took priority over logic and story telling last season

The Vale gets winter too. It's not like people in the Vale lack common sense. Unless a main character needs to show how smart they are.

She saw through LF's bullshit, even though everyone who knows him (including Sansa) calls people idiots for trusting him.

I HAVE to believe that it was a shitty setup by the writers, because to have Arya and Sansa almost kill each other makes no sense. But playing it out that way doesn't either.

Plus it ruins Sansas character. She was supposed to be incredibly politically savvy at this point, surpassing Baelish. Instead we get "surely I couldn't be wrong in my initial assumptions!"

Also if she talked about cutting off your face and adding it to her bag

What? Just because you subvert expectations doesn't make your work automatically great? It just means you are a contrarian.

I think your English is fine and perfectly understandable.

Gesundheit

Because the only way they could show Sansa as being capable was to make everyone around her look incompetent. It's like, I don't know, having an untrained "natural" best a Jedi Master...

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Arya told Sansa about her list and the people who she wants to kill (which we know already too)

Sansa's reaction was important for the plot though - she sees that her sister has changed, and became somewhat scary.

But that is then bad writing imo.

Yeah, you have a point there. At least Arya could've asked "Bran's alive! And Rickon?" And Sansa just looks at her sadly. And then they cut to Arya meeting Bran, and we can assume that the conversation took place offscreen.

Another thing that bothered me that they keep talking about Ned, and how they miss him, but never mention Catelyn. Jon not talking about her is understandable, but Arya and Sansa?

The best book was written the quickest, imo. I don't think GRRM is really using those 5-8 year writing cycles to polish them to perfection.

It subverted expectations and that in itself is a triumph. Really, Game of Thrones is all about family.

Seems like you have forgotten he existed,

That's hardly unusual for the books and the show.

The best duo would be Arya-Lyanna. They both take no bullshit from nobody no time. Too bad we didn't see them interact, but at least Arya mentioned "LIttle Lyanna Mormont" would not have written that letter and she was younger than Sansa was then. All props to the two Northern spitfires.

Wasn't a set up from the start? I took it as Sansa and Arya playing LF from the start

GODS WHAT A STUPID NAME!

Well there's also no Bobby B, so no, definitely not magic.

who's

literally unwatchable