The intent is to provide customers with a sense of pride and accomplishment for accessing internet channels provided by the major carriers and the US government.
As for cost, we selected initial values based upon data from the web sites and other content people have viewed before the repeal. Among other things, we're looking at average per-user credit earn rates on a daily basis, and we'll be making constant adjustments to ensure that customer have challenges with their service that are compelling, rewarding, and of course attainable via deregulation.
EDIT: Thanks to the stranger who gilded this comment. The increasing greed and power games large tech companies are playing are getting way out of hand and the weapons they try to use are our wallets.
99% of Americans don’t want this to pass. Fuck Ajit pai
Just remember that if this also goes through : https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-11-21/at-t-lawsuit-over-time-warner-shows-tough-u-s-... Then you have a gigantic juggernaut that will have a reverse eminent domain over what you do, say, talk to, and visit. It's tantamount to a full circle to industrial revolution robber barons controlling your entire town: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Company_scrip You do not deserve "company scrips". Remember that information is a currency, and that you do have control over it!!!!! Make sure you don't lose one of the first fundamental rights of the 21st century!!!
“Under my proposal, the federal government will stop micromanaging the internet,” Mr. Pai said in a statement. “Instead, the F.C.C. would simply require internet service providers to be transparent about their practices so that consumers can buy the service plan that’s best for them and entrepreneurs and other small businesses can have the technical information they need to innovate.”
Fuck off, you bribed twat. You don't know a goddamn thing what you're talking about. The only requirement for the internet is how fast of one you can purchase. ISP's shouldn't have a say on what Sites we are accessing.
I hope you Americans can figure this shit out. Major websites themselves should also be oppose to this. Technically the FCC and ISP's are interfering with their consumers. There should be outrage, but instead, it has been shown that Netflix paid extra to a provider to not slow down their website. That's the wrong move.
I have been trying to explain net neutrality to so many people and it's honestly concerning on how many people don't know what's going on
99% of the people who know about it. I wouldn't be be surprised if at least half the country has no idea what it is.
As for what to do right now?
Call your Reps, https://www.battleforthenet.com/ has an easy dial option that will automatically connect you to your congressperson!
Call the FCC at 888-225-5322. It'll take you through a few options, but you can talk to real person to make a formal complaint against Ajit Pai's plan.
Tell your friends! Tell your family! Explain that we do not want an internet that functions like cable!
Most importantly: Don't give up hope! Every little bit helps and we have to fight like hell to keep our open internet!
Probably a great time to be in the Phone Book business, because they're gonna' make a comeback!
Google, find me a pizza place. "That'll be 75 cents."
Find other ways to explain it:
For Gamers - Do you want your internet experience to be like an EA game? Microtransactions for every service?
For people who eat food - do you want to buy your internet like adding guacamole at chipotle? Want netflix to work, that'll be $10 extra per month.
For people who hate the government - do you want the government deciding which sites you can access quickly, and which are slowed down? RNC site - loads in 1 second, DNC site - loads in 3 seconds, Libertarian circle jerk site - loads in 5 minutes
For people who just recently cut the cord with their cable company - It's like going back to cable... you want netflix that's an additional 3.99 monthly (ontop of what you pay netflix). you want youtube 4k? that's an additional 2.99. You watch twich streams? 1.99.
Fuck this FCC
What if EA, in an attempt to make up for the major backlash of the BF2 shenanigans, was the corporate entity that stepped up against this FCC bullshit?
I want to live in that world.
Who are the other 2 assholes that are voting with Pai? He can't do this alone.
We all know that Pai is piece of shit lackey for the telecom companies, but what about the others? I've got plenty of outrage to spare, I don't want to let Ashit Pile have all of it.
That’s true when I tell my friends about it they’re like what the fuck is net neutrality? I try explaining it but they just don’t get it. So what I say to them is it’s good and you want it.
You better not try to explain to them any other modern issue, your head might explode. =P
You have to pay for that feature.
Exactly. Where are the big websites in this? They came out hard and united against sopa - haven't really seen anything this time around
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Big websites could profit from this. It's the small ones that will get fucked.
time to rise up.
If you thought it was hard to do political organization before, just wait until the isp's are legally able to censor ideas that undercut their buisness model.
Guys can we seriously freak out over this like we did battlefront 2?
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Too late ;) but jokes aside if the repeal happens I can't wait to start hearing the common crowd erupting in uproar over this
Ding ding ding ding! We have a winner!
This is the real reason the big boys won't stand up to this, they can then use their pull in the same way amazon is using the bidding wars for their HQ2 to reduce their tax burden in the location that gives them the best deal.
Same thing happens in other business models, small customers can never negotiate the same rates as the big players. Ever wonder why shipping is so expensive? Well Amazon doesn't, they just figure out ways to make it cheaper for themselves negotiating with UPS, USPS and FedEx. No way small businesses or individuals can do that. Now everyone can get screwed over by the thing you probably use more than any other service.
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During his term as FCC Commissioner, O'Rielly voted against a proposal that would reclassify Internet service providers as Title II Common Carriers and impose net neutrality rules, a proposal that would overturn state laws that prevent Internet service providers from competition from municipal broadband providers, a proposal to change the technical definition of "broadband Internet" from at least 4Mbps to at least 25Mbps, a proposal to use the LifeLine phone service subsidy program to subsidize broadband access to poor people, and a 2015 ruling that expanded consumer protections against Robodialers.
Brendan Carr is an American lawyer who currently serves as a member of the Federal Communications Commission (FCC). He previously served as an aide to FCC member Ajit Pai and as the FCC's general counsel. Carr also worked as a telecommunications attorney at the law firm of Wiley Rein.
eminem said it first:
"so the f.c.c. wont let me be,
or let me be me, so let me see,
they try to shut me down on mtv
but it feels so empty without me"
We need Congress in to pass legislation on net neutrality. Leaving it entirely up to the FCC is never going to be safe long term.
As someone not from the United states, how can I help? And will it be enough or make some impact?
It’s honestly pissing me off because after this shit happens in US, it’ll start happening everywhere.
The best TL;DR I can make:
The FCC wants to eliminate government regulations that prevent ISPs like Comcast, Charter, and Verizon from regulating the internet content they serve you. This opens the door to near infinite amounts of nickel and dime fuckery from those companies as well as a ton of other monopolistic antics like giving internet based businesses they are invested in priority access.
So how can we get them to?
Payoffs from doners.
Actual GOP policy makes little sense for anyone who isn't extremely wealthy, but they always hide behind Jesus and guns when the election cycle rolls around.
This comment will certainly start a revolution
There isn't anything one can do if one isn't from/doesn't live in the States, right?
I'm assuming the ACLU will be suing the government to stop it
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Guys i just got freedom from net neutrality in a crate drop
How much does this tie into administrations? Say dems (hopefully Independents but let's be real) get everything back in 3 years; how easy or hard would it be to get the FCC back where it needs to be and to get rid of Pai?
That's not even the worst part. This straight gives ISPs the right to silence any opinions online they don't like.
This is the end of free speech.
If Trump came out against repealing net neutrality.... there would be so much confusion on reddit
Fuck Pai. Biggest POS to pass thru the political ass in a long while.
I use Google maps constantly. I just went on a 2600 mile road trip hitting 5 cities. I went in with literally no plan.
Showed up in a city, used Google to find my way around, hotel, beers, restaurants, etc.
This would of infuriated me.
I fucking hope so.
I grew up in a conservative family. I voted for GWB on my first election. I voted for Greg Walden my entire life.
Never again. I've already re-registered as an Independent. By this time next year I may make the full change.
I also may donate any extra money I have (which isn't much) to the ALCU.
This is the straw that broke this ex-Republican's back
I think you also have to explain that internet is on a different level than Chipotle. I don't think that anyone thinks we need laws saying that Chipotle can't charge for adding guacamole.
Is pretty much a necessity in our every day lives
Has much less ability for competition due to high infrastructure costs. Think of how many service providers you are able to chose from. For many people, including me, the answer is one.
My knee-jerk reaction, when first hearing about net neutrality, was that we don't need a law to control this. Since then, I've seen it's clear that competition is not enough to regulate service providers.
Regardless of the governments intentions, this will fail. Even if the repeal is successful, US citizens will quickly develop workarounds. This will fail for the same reason that prohibition failed. You cannot deny readily available access to alcohol/information to the public.
A lot of other things are going on too. I just commented a few minutes earlier in a somewhat related article.
We need something like this but to protect American consumer, because the government sure as hell isn't going to do it.
I mean, it would be confusing because he's constantly bending over for big business at every opportunity. That said, if trump is somehow the one who saves net neutrality, I certainly won't complain.
I say we repeal the F.C.C and install a better, more impartial entity. The F.C.C is bought and paid for.
The term Net Neutrality could just as easily mean the opposite of what it means. ("The government should be neutral and let the free market decide" vs "The government should enforce neutrality"). It needs to be renamed to something like Web Monopoly Prevention.
FYI Comcast had stated that of Net Neutrality falls they can and will throttle game traffic. You can bet your ass AAA companies such as EA will be paying top dollar to ensure their games are the only ones with tolerable connection speeds. If you think Battlefront 2 is bad now, wait until it's the only viable option for online pay.
Logically, what is their reasoning behind this? The public is obviously against it. You'd think they'd at least try top sell us on it
And this is why we need to fight for an open, free internet.
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With no net neutrality, your ISP could block Netflix and Hulu and force you to use their own streaming service, unless you pay a hefty fee to access those websites. Alternatively, they could throttle your bandwidth to those sites so you want to use their "lag-free" streaming service.
It basically opens the door for ISPs to do whatever the hell they want with your service.
Think it sucks paying EA to win? Try paying Comcast to play in the first place.
Good thing we can rely on the free market to save us, that way you can choose from any one of the almost one other companies that offer internet in most areas, although they won't have different rules either.
Care to give me a quick explanation?
I casually read this stuff but I'm internet stupid.
Pretty much providers can start blocking, throttling, and can have paid prioritization with customers. So in some aspects the poor will get fucked again. But that's just one thing. So much more effects to this that even I'm not sure about. I'm sure a fellow Redditor could provide a even more detailed explaination
I see where he's going with this, I can shop around and go with Comcast, or without internet at all.
DAE think that Pai has one of the most punchable faces in human history? God forbid I ever meet the man, I may not be able to stop myself.
Voting will change it. The 2018 midterms are coming up. Vote for people who support net neutrality, i.e. Democrats or Independents.
The GOP is firmly in the pockets of monied interests. Check out the voting record of congress on this issue:
I've found that the easiest way to explain is to give examples. Say something like this: Right now you pay your ISP (comcast, verizon, etc) to let you access the internet. You can go to any website you want, like facebook or netflix. If they get rid of net neutrality, then you'd likely end up paying more to access more popular websites like netflix and facebook. Also, if you want your TV shows and movies to stream with minimal buffering and at good resolution, you'll have to pay even more. If that's not bad enough, your ISP will be able to see all the websites you visit, and block access to any website they want to for no reason. For example, NYTimes could pay your ISP to block people from going to Fox News, or vice versa, and it'd be totally legal.
Sorry, no. After this goes through, Internet access in the U.S. will be between ISPs you directly pay for only. Cost-cutting will be incredible for American companies as they will deny passage to 63% of traffic. It's like requiring passports to not only enter any site, but pass through the servers between your connection and it.
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Is this something the next administration can throw out?
You load sixteen gigs, and what do you get?
Me: "Google, get me the number to a pizza joint." Google: "I can get you the number to shit pizza now." Me: "Ew, no, get me good pizza" Google: "I can get you the number to Good Pizza in 2 minutes."
Exactly why I made this comment. You think you're getting raped by the micro transaction pay to play bullshit now? Soon, you'll see loot boxes for sale that includes an extra 10mpbs performance boost for a chunk of 12 hours.
Seriously. I was hoping that momentum could be redirected at this.
A DMCA notice for a pic of your pet
Post this on all the battlefront 2 post to get some eyes on it its crazy that battlefront 2 is getting more attention than net neutrality
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Basically the definition of the swamp that Trump promised to drain
If this piece Ashit Pai really thinks Americans won't do anything about this, he's in for a slap so hard to the face his eyes will face the other way.
This doesn't screw one particular group or side in the states. This will affect everyone. Not many people know what Net Neutrality is, but when this happens, every American is gonna be out for blood.
Don't fucks with our internet.
It will work if enough people make a stink. It has worked before. Money talks, but politicians are still concerned about reelection. The 2018 congressional midterms are just around the corner. Tell your congressperson that you will only vote for people who support net neutrality.
Reddit needs to find a way to destroy this Net neutrality thing like its a E.A pay to win...
What an evil piece of shit. This guy is everything wrong with your country, America.
We must burn the internet down and start anew. We have strayed too far.
The problem is that Americans simply don't care. We're too large for our own good. No sense of community... And most of us are clueless morons. We're screwed :(
I don't think most people know what Net Neutrality is. Comparing it to alcohol is not the same. People had NO access to alcohol with no legal possiblity. People will still have the legal opportunity to access the Internet just not in the way they are used to.
Tell Trump to fund it.
And the people voting GOP are convinced that they will be extremely wealthy someday.
I registered as a Republican and watched the party crumble and nominate trump. When he was elected I wasn’t anti-trump or ecstatic. I was going to give him time and see how it works.
It hasn’t worked out and seeing the party rally and love him makes me sick.
I’m not a leftist, but I’ll be voting for the left because republicans have let me down this time around.
A small ISP wouldn't be forced to make any changes. This is about large ISP like Comcast and Time Warner getting new freedoms which they've already said in the past they plan to abuse.
US citizens will quickly develop workarounds
Nerds will, average people will not. And the average person is who decides if a business succeeds or fails.
The biggest internet providers just got a legalized monopoly maker.
Tell them its kinda like going back from netflix to cable.
50$ for internet. 5$ for youtube. 5$ for facebook + 3$ if you want videochat.
Is your ISP republican ? Breitbart and fox news are your only news available now, sry not sry!
Because now that Netflix is a major player, this would actually be good for them - they could afford the extra fees, but their competitors can't, so it would reduce the competition for them.
Why can’t Bill Gates fund this? Of Buffet, or Brin, Page, Zuckerberg and all those other SUPER-FUCKING RICH BASTARDS? I can’t hear their voices AT ALL.
Can we revolt against the FCC itself? Storm that fucking building, stop that vote. Execute Pai on live television for treason against America. This is treason in front of our faces. No way this should go down without a vote. Let the American people vote.
We don’t want this. We’ve never wanted this. They are forcing this and they don’t know what’s best for us. They are doing this for corporate profit and exploitation in front of our faces. END THIS NOW.
WHERE IS THE PUBLIC DEBATE. WHERE ARE THE VOTES FROM TH SENATE. NEW LAWS ARE CHANGED IN PRIVATE JUST LIKE WHEN THEY SOLD OUR INTERNET HISTORIES. TELECOM HAS DIRECT CONTROL OVER CONGRESS, THEY LOST CABLE TO THE INTERNET THE GAIN THIS. THIS IS THEIR CONSOLATION PRIZE
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~Duopoly ISPs most likely
And because in many locations ISPs have a monopoly, there is NOTHING you can do about it. There are no alternatives.
The companies lobbied the government for it. No citizen has ever thought it would be a good idea to let companies control what we see on the internet.
According to studies for every doubling your level of internet access innovation increases by 316000%. According to the largest meta-analysis of business leaders by Harvard the US's number one determinant of success is innovation.
In Portugal when net neutrality was removed it was rolled out in a very limited fashion in practice with few companies fully exploiting it. Even so this lead to a 2% reduction in internet access in the midst of a trend which saw 10% increases per year. Removing net neutrality killed all internet growth in Portugal. This resulted in a 1.5% reduction in innovation over just 1 year.
If we apply Portugal's net neutrality results to the US which is much more sensitive to innovation, eliminating net neutrality would translate to more than wiping out all current net economic growth.
You would have to be insane to think this is a good idea.
You committed the unforgivable sin of "would of" rather than "would have"
From what I've gathered, this is the only sensible argument against NN as it exists today. It is too free to oscillate with changing administrations.
Of course, the answer is not "Holy shit, it's in the wrong place, we have to get rid of it now!" It's "let's figure out where it belongs and relocate it there" and until then, leave it the fuck alone.
If we unplug it and plug it back in will it work better?
I know what your doing, and I'm not gonna let it get to me.
Don't allow it to happen in your country, also prepare some space for me. If this shit keeps happening I'm leaving and never coming back, this entire country only caters to the rich and they leave the rest of us out in the cold or actively try to screw us.
Rule of Thumb: any congressional bill that contains patriotic imagery in it's name is always absolute garbage.
If the bill itself was any good they wouldn't need propaganda to get support for it.
Screw these vultures, hang them we should. they don't work for us, they've sold their positions to the oligarchs