Hi /sub/europe! Ive been doing a few maps like this lately and thought some of you in the venn diagram of Europeans and map people might like this sort of thing.
I've been having fun lately making Tolkien-ish versions of real world locations - last week I had a go at Scotland which you can see over here and New England which is here. They're fun to work on, but sadly not overly accurate.
Here's a few more pictures of this Europe map from my blog:
Tools and Resources used (via Medium)
Edit: Thanks for the great feedback! And sorry for the places I missed out and various spelling mistakes.
I tried to fix a few of these here - Now featuring Prague
But Constantinople is the capital of our hearts, you heathen!
If there's a mountain range going through Bristol and Bath, then Denmark's Sky Mountain should be represented as well.
It's beautiful and all, but the omission of Prague is kinda tough to swallow :D
Definetely like the style of the map, though I find it a bit barren of cities, it makes Europe look like a desert landscape.
Though I can see you mostly did the capital thing since borders don't show on the map it makes it look a bit weird is all, what with it not being entirely consistent (Some countries get more than one city, some don't, some don't get a city at all.)
No Prague, but Bratislava is present. What a twist!
Looks nice, but why are the mountains all over the place?
I guess the swedes are the elves: they're tall, there's lots of vegans, there's a fuckton of blondes and they're eco-friendly.
I was going to say, I don't remember having to pass across a huge mountain range on my way to Bath.
And Elvish looks pretty similar to Arabic as well.
Just a joke guys
No Ljubljana, but Podgorica is present.
Solsbury Hill mate it's a monster
Turkey's location and shape would probably make them Mordor (it has the roughly same rectangular shape). Plus they're many and angry :P
Guess we should start lighting the beacons...
By the way, in Scandinavia you have "Kjolen Mountains". Kjolen means "the skirt" in Swedish. What made you write down Kjolen?
Great work! Just to be obnoxious, Spain's mountains are really weird in your map. Check this out:
The Meseta is a word meaning something like "table" (plateau, to be more specific). Mountain ranges should be around or across the Meseta, not form the Meseta itself (which should be in the center of the peninsula, not in the northeast).
The northern Cordillera Cantábrica (somehow a continuation of the Pyrenees along the Atlantic coast) should go along the west-northeast Sistema Central and the north-southwest Sistema Ibérico. Then, just end the map with the southwestern almost coastal Sistemas Béticos.
I really like your map and think this improvement would make it better. Don't consider it an attack or an underappreciation, please.
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you know that Ankara is actually the capital of Turkey right? :)
Yes for example the Massif Armoricain in north west of France is just big hills even at its highest point.
edit : spelling
I love the map as well, but the mountains really are doing my head in. The Alps should be massive compared to the relatively low mountain range that, on this map, is huge and apparently swallowed Prague.
South of Germany should maximally be hills.
If you're gonna start correcting like that you can nitpick the entire map to death. There's so much wrong with the mountains for example.
Ankara is there, but no Istanbul!
That really needs the ø or an ö, because otherwise it's skirt-mountain instead of keel mountain =/
My guess is Wikipedia:
Its names in the Scandinavian languages are, in Swedish Skandinaviska fjällkedjan, Skanderna (encyclopaedic and professional usage), Fjällen ("The Fells", common in colloquial speech) or Kölen ("The Keel"), and in Norwegian Den skandinaviske fjellkjede,Skandesfjellene, Kjølen ("The Keel") or Nordryggen ("The North Ridge", name coined in 2013). The names Kölen and Kjølen are often preferentially used for the northern part, where the mountains form a narrow range near the border region of Norway and Sweden. In southern Norway there is a broad scatter of mountain regions with individual names, such as Dovrefjell, Hardangervidda, Jotunheimen, and Rondane.
Never ever seen that name before though.
Some countries get more than one city
Which ones? The only one I see that could be considered extraneous is Edinburgh, depending on how you count the UK.
It's a map of EUROPE . You're lucky you're even represented there ya lonely cunts. Still we love you in an awkward kinda way!
Love - France
I actually remember reading that one of the Elvish languages had grammar based on Finnish.
A number of capitals were omitted, including Ljubljana, Nicosia, Yerevan and all micro-states, but yes, Prague may be the most obvious exclusion. Also, Edinburg is there, so preparing for Scotland leaving the UK?
Elves don't need to be blond.
Mind you, while pretty, it's pretty inaccurate.
Yeah, the Alps are a bit puny in comparison to the other mountainous regions, but it's not a huge issue.
shows the relations a bit better, but here the heights are exaggerated. (more here)
TIL I live on the highest peak of Europe. What a time to be alive!
Seriously, the map is beautiful, but a few geographical features do not add up.
quand you pense in deux langues at le même temps
I think it's bad idea to make certain place look like Mordor. It shows bad taste and could make the whole thing controversial.
What if I made world map like this and made Africa look like Mordor?
As Peter Gabriel once sang
Climbing up on Solsbury Hill
Needed crampons and oxygen as it's so high
IIRC Tolkien himself said this in a letter. Middle-earth was meant to mimic a kind of European myth/legend rather than normal pieces of fiction.
The Shire also aligns with the UK of course.
Edit: looks like I'm wrong on Turkey. According to the Wiki page on Mordor:
Tolkien was reported to have identified Mordor with the volcano of Stromboli off Sicily, in terms of geographic equivalency with the real world.
Lots of Muslims don't write in Arabic. Turks, Indians, Pakistanis, descendents from Ottoman subjects, recent European converts, integrated late-generation immigratants, East Africans, West Africans, minority Afghans, etc.
Filtering out all of those, only France would probably have a larger Arabic-speaking proportion than Sweden, because of the Algerians.
I like that there's no apparent national borders and only some text legend, it gives it a more exploratory feel (If that makes sense..).
But yay, larger cities.
Prague is missing
Denmark's Sky Mountain should be represented on all maps.
I like the style, but why are mountains in Bohemia made to look so massive?
Right? Who forgets Prague but adds Bratislava? What sort of fairy land it this?
Yup! Sure is. Istanbul is the more well known city though.
cause of orcs i'm sure
Considering history, the strength of the Catholic church and the inquisition was the reason. Lots stayed and their genes (and cultural traits) are still here, but none kept their religion.
I feel like my suggestion is a bit rude, this has clearly taken a lot of work, it's just I want it to be excellent and that's my grain of sand. I don't know about Prague, I just know the Iberian peninsula's mountains look weird
And there are mountains in Czech Republic.
Well the mountains are a bit off in general. It makes the Ural look huge when in fact their highest point is 1895m. The Alps on the other hand look a bunch of hill when their highest point is 4808m and there are over eighty 4000m+ peaks.
Still like this map though.
You sailed away 😢
So we are basically mordor...
Sounds about right
You're right, contrary to popular belief Britain is actually in the middle of the Atlantic and does NOT in fact, lie 25 miles off the coast of France.
Also, with current problems with rent, they are gonna live on trees.
Beautifully done, just needs more woods in the Baltics!
The children of finnish immigrants is not counted in that statistic though. So there are still more finnish speaking than arabic.
Not by a big margin though.
I find these inconsistencies quite plausible for an ancient map.
I mean back then most people probably didn't care how tall a mountain exactly was. As the cartographer of this map most likely couldn't have seen all of these places himself he would have had no real comparison. Instead, he would have to rely mostly on other local maps and descriptions and what someone from Ireland may describe as a tall mountain, might just be a hill of 700 meters.
On the other hand this would also mean that other features should be less accurate but still.
Hm, looks like I went to college at Mount Doom Polytechnic.
London, Edinburgh and Dublin, but not Belfast or Cardiff, fuck N.Ireland and Wales i guess ¯\(ツ)/¯
Bet he enjoyed 1453, That infidel scum!
US you could make Texas look like Mordor, for example :D (or for Europe - Russia)).
No, just... no.
For comparison, an alternative interpretation:
Park Street defo feels like a mountain after a night out
It's a map originally made by the Habsburgs to confuse the Swedish invaders. The ruse failed, however, as the noise made by scores of nobles being thrown out of windows gave away the location.
Yes, so are Andorra, Valletta and others; but I was specifically talking about countries getting more than one city, rather than missing capitals.
Much bigger than the Alps even. Prague must be a skiing resort.
nah. we're dwarves.
The rolling hills of England are now gigantic mountains
So... /sub/mapswthoutcz ?
That would be Minas Tirith. Minas Ithil is the former name of Minas Morgul, which was an ancient Gondorian fortress which fell to the Witch King, after that being renamed to Minas Morgul, thus being very similar wtih Constantinople / Istanbul.
I don't think you need to worry about coming across as rude - your suggestions are constructive, there's obviously no ill will behind your post.
Constantinople is the capital of our hearts
And the City of World's Desire!
/sub/eu4 leaking is the best kind of leaking
It's a great map but the Iberian geography is kinda messed up
Come spend your holiday in the exotic land of orcs ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ
What about that Mountain in the Netherlands? I'm pretty sure theres nothing higher than sea level. Except for tourists maybe.
Dwarfs are obviously Scottish. Dont you play videogames?
Kjolen means "The dress" in danish
He meant the opposite of what you are saying. He said he didn't intend for it to be actual Europe or WW1 or any other war (some idiots even thought he was predicting WW2). He said he may have been subconsciously influenced by the current events, but didn't write about them. The above statement that Turks are Mordor and combined Tolkien's definition of Orcs is very offensive. Pretty much sums up Europe's prejudice.
Listen, you can just put Mordor right over Jerusalem, nobody is going to find fault in that.
Finish the map, Frodo!
Reconquista was pretty brutal.
Finland already looks like Mordor, if you visit us during winter :)
Even Norfolk (England) has a mountain / peak according to that. Wonder what the source of this was? Beautiful map though.
I'm going to be an optimist and believe that Prague is hidden in the mountains like Gondolin, and not just omitted :P
Why do people have to go there man. You are literally equating Turks to orcs. That's extremely offensive. Tolkien himself said he meant no such thing with his works.
I love it, but I feel like there should be more cities, big chunks of this map look uninhabited.
Probably source was artist's imagination; there are mountains in Finland in the flattest part of the country.
No, he was definitely talking about Middle-Earth. According to the lore of Tolkien's world (called Arda, of which Middle-Earth is only a part), it is actually not a fantasy world but our world from the past, with Middle-Earth being the equivalent of Europe. According to Arda's lore, after Sauron's defeat the Elves left Middle-Earth for Valinor and the other mythical species likely went extinct, so our age, the "age of men" started.
Fun fact: according to LotR lore, LotR, The Hobbit and The Silmarillion weren't written by Tolkien. Tolkien supposedly found "The Red Book", which contained an account of Bilbo's journey written by Bilbo, an account of the War of the Ring written by Frodo and Sam, and translations of Elvish legends (to Westron, the lingua franca of Middle-Earth) by Bilbo. Tolkien translated these works to English, and published them (except The Silmarillion, which was published after his death).
Came here to say this. It looks wonderful but the meseta is very wrong. I live there and, trust me, no mountains here. It also places Madrid in a valley surrounded left and right by mountains when that's not the case. The Sistema Central lie north to north-west of Madrid. In /u/metalpotato's map it'd be roughly on the C of Central.
It does look amazing but that mistake is very jarring when you know the area.
Why is Prague skipped?
I dont know.. IMO it really fits the fantasy style of the map, cause every fantasy maps like this have only a few cities in there.
It feels more believable as a fantasy map to me when done like it is done.
How bad is it that my first thought was "Get Fucked Cardiff!" and only now do I realise that Belfast is a capital?
No schwäbische Alb, smh
These numbers must be pre 2016, there are more Arabic speakers in Sweden than finnish speakers since last year.
Tolkien actually based some of the Elvish languages on Finnish. Not script obviously, but the grammar et al.
I noticed this as well. Estonia, of which current territory is nearly 50% contained of forests, one would expect - forests. Can't complain though - relative to the rest of the Europe, we're just a flat piece of land.
Other than that, amazing map. Kudos OP.
Dwarves are arabs: beards, high quality steel, rigid theocratic caste society, and you don't see Dwarven women much because they're covered up and at home.
not quite right. Turkey is mordor.
And even then, lots of French people of Algerian descent don't even know Arabic.