The oh so offensive "gay scene" is just two men dancing. DANCING!? WE MUST PROTECT THE CHILDREN.
A modern, Orthodox, Jewish couple, preparing for a religious wedding, meets with their rabbi for counseling.
The rabbi asks if they have any last questions before they leave.
The man asks, "Rabbi, we realize it's tradition for men to dance with men, and women to dance with women at the reception. But, we'd like your permission to dance together."
"Absolutely not," says the rabbi. "It's immodest.Men and women always dance separately."
''So after the ceremony I can't even dance with my own wife?"
"No," answered the rabbi. "It's forbidden."
"Well, okay," says the man, "what about sex?
Can we finally have sex?"
"Of course!" replies the rabbi. "Sex is a mitzvah (good thing) within marriage, to have children!"
"What about different positions?" asks the man.
"No problem," says the rabbi. "It's a mitzvah!"
"Woman on top?" the man asks. "Sure," says the rabbi. "Go for it! It's a mitzvah!"
"Sure! Another mitzvah!"
"On the kitchen table?"
"Yes, yes! A mitzvah!"
"Can we do it on rubber sheets with a bottle of hot oil, a couple of vibrators, a leather harness, a bucket of honey and a porno video?"
"You may indeed. It's all a mitzvah!"
"Can we do it standing up?"
"No way, it could lead to dancing!"
I find it particularly funny because it reminded me of that scene in Fiddler on the Roof, where everybody freaked out because men and women were dancing with (gasp) each other instead of among themselves.
Religion has never been about your own comfort, it's about controlling others.
It's about forcing everyone else to live by your rules, with the backing of deities that cannot be questionned.
I never understood people freaking out about things like this... Something in a movie you don't want to see? Don't watch it! Surprise! Now you'll never ever have to see it and everyone can live their lives happily.
Also if you don't like something someone is doing with their life... Ignore them! Don't speak to them! Don't associate with them! And you'll literally never be exposed to whatever heinous thing they do. Amazingly you're in control of your own life and experiences for the most part. We don't have to keep doing or seeing things we don't want generally speaking. Sometimes I hate people.
So heterosexual bestiality is fine in Malaysia but not gays. got it.
50SOG wasn't BDSM, it was straight up emotional abuse and rape by coercion.
I heard it this way:
Q: Why don't Baptists fuck standing up?
A: 'Cause it might lead to dancing.
Ah poor backwards Malaysia almost had to see gasp! GAY PEOPLE!
Meanwhile, Beauty and the Beast depicts Belle with Beast (bestiality) and the 50 Shades movies depict BDSM, and I'm hearing nary a complaint from the religious right.
Edit: as /u/TastyBrainMeats points out, "xenophilia" might be a better word that "bestiality".
I will never understand the religious mind...
It's a movie about a young woman that gets kidnapped, practically forced into servitude, Stockholm syndrome sets in as she falls in love with her kidnapper, who happens to be a big, furry beast (bestiality, anyone?) and they're pissed off that there's a gay character?
Its insane that people are offended by a gay candlestick in a movie where a minor falls in love with a goddamn buffalo.
It's soooo bad. On one hand, getting bdsm into the mainstream is great. On the other hand, portraying bdsm as actual rape is terrible.
Citation needed.... There have been a LOT of spiritual and national leaders who were more about the power than the faith. Hell, Henry VIII broke from Catholicism and started his own church just so he could get a divorce, which was downright heretical to many at the time. He was more about his own power and getting what he wanted than he was about toeing the line of the Church.
but the religious LOVE stockholm syndrome. hell, they live with it every day.
Brevity is the soul of wit.
The company acknowledged that their actions may be controversial, but concluded “that’s fine.” “We are first and foremost Christians,” the statement continues. “We will not compromise on what the Bible teaches. We will continue to show family-oriented films so you can feel free to come watch wholesome movies without worrying about sex, nudity, homosexuality, and foul language.”
I think Disney should block his theater from ever showing Disney films and say, "we remain committed to showing in our films free of hatred and bigotry and thus can no longer allow them to be shown in this theater."
We will not compromise on what the Bible teaches
feel free to come watch wholesome movies without worrying about sex, nudity
Bet they support Trump and NSFW
Oh, they compromise. They compromise whenever it suits them.
This is awesome!
Gee I wonder how a reactionary, xenophobic leader in the world's largest superpower could have a ripple effect
Fair play, Disney. Good on you.
By analogy, imagine if The Silence of the Lambs was responsible for somebody's first exposure to the concept of transsexual people. Or psychiatrists.
Also if you don't like something someone is doing with their life... Ignore them! Don't speak to them! Don't associate with them! And you'll literally never be exposed to whatever heinous thing they do.
Tried ignoring Trump.
It's not working.
Good point. I've never actually read the books and don't care to watch the movies, but now that you mention it, I think I have read reports saying something that there are like fifteen(?) indicators of an abusive relationship and all of them show up at some point in 50 Shades.
I personally know two psychiatrists that can't cook at all.
To the higher-ups(JAKIM) only. Any sensible citizen of Malaysia has no problem with gays.
Citation? I've heard gays are treated horribly in Malaysia, both by the govt and the citizenry.
Tbh there are just as many gay people here in Malaysia as anywhere else. Most people are okay with them, but really it's just the politicians and religious leaders here that think being gay is wrong. Of course there are a ton of crazy ass Muslims and Christians who hate gays, but 99% of people here don't give a damn.
Trump supporters are probably sympathizing with Malaysia.
not until the impeachment sets off.
It's not the candlestick. The candlestick is involved with the feather duster. It is LaFoo that has feelings for Gaston.
Kinda like the US then.
Have you tried turning your attention off and back on again?
that's.... that's actually pretty accurate
I'm Malaysian myself. Hell, two of my best friends are bisexual. It really depends on the community you're in too. Different people in different areas and cities treat these kinds of things very differently. Just last week a transgender woman was murdered out of religious beliefs in Kuala Lumpur, our capital city. Things like that have been happening everywhere occasionally, especially since Trump won.
Two men dancing is such a bad thing in a film where a women falls in love with a buffalo looking thing.
But that's okay, ones a man and one is a woman.
Wait, so psychiatrists aren't all like Hannibal Lecter?
Homophobia at this level is so sad it's almost funny. But not quite.
Not necessarily responsible, but that doesn't mean his success doesn't impact and embolden people around the world to react likewise.
He's the most powerful single person in the world right now, and he got there through slandering others--homophobia, racism and xenophobia. Is it shocking others would copy him?
To clarify 50SOG was also barred from showing in theaters here in Malaysia.
Didn't stop some theatres though.
Not really, no. Hell, I don't really have a problem of bdsm-themed rape fiction. But when the biggest mainstream example of bdsm is in a movie with more rape in it than bdsm, there's a problem.
Freedom of speech protects you from the government sanctioning you for certain forms of speech.
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gastons side kick was always a bit of a fruit
he basically idolized gastons features
where gay is bad but hatred is great!
This is anecdotal I know, but in Canada the bigots have been more vocal and a number of high profile incidents (like the mosque shooting) have happened since Trump's election. He's indirectly created an environment and perception that the world is changing in a way that makes people feel safer to discriminate. That fact Trump is having a cultural impact elsewhere can't be denied. Even the language is changing, I swear I've never heard the word "tremendous" used commonly like it is now
No one turns men gay like Gaston.
woman abducted and ransomed for marriage
implied bestiality from beginning to end
inanimate objects can have human souls and supernatural beings other than Allah and his agents can work miracles in the world
two men dance
SHUT. IT. DOWN.
I don't think that's bestiality. Xenophilia, maybe. But Beast is unquestionably a person, not an "animal" animal.
It's like having sex with a Krogan.
the 50 Shades movies depict BDSM, and I'm hearing nary a complaint from the religious right.
No, 50 Shades depict domestic abuse under the guise of a healthy (if odd to some people) relationship. That's why they have no problem with it.
How is it delusional to think that Trump could be impeached? He has a lower approval rating than any new president in history and has already been involved in more scandals than Nixon in just 2 months. This can't go on for 4 years. It's a fucking joke
If a person's philosophy is to say "yes, let me be nosey and when I find something against my belief I'll get upset at you for it" they're going to be upset at everyone around then. No two people feel the same way about everything, and everyone has to learn to discern which beliefs are tangibly harmful and which just make you uncomfortable to think about.
The issue is that these people say there is real harm because of God. But then again they probably will think God puts the butter in the supermarket until they learn how it's made, then say they knew it all along and God's hand was in it when shown a dairy farm.
To put into context, Malaysia is in the midst of its most corrupted government yet and the prime minister is trying every trick in the book to distract the country form its domestic problems. Inflation is all time high while the ringgit is in the toilets and he is using religion and nationalism to wipe up fervor among his supporters to go against the other races and opposition. It is a shit show in Malaysia right now and this crap is just another symptom of a much larger problem.
Overall I would agree with you, religion creates forced conformity; however, not all religious institutions are necessarily like this. Some are content to live their own lives within whatever faith they choose to believe. We just don't see them often because they're aren't loud and abrasive. I think the significant danger is when a religious body holds political power, which I would say is definitely the case here.
This is what happens when people try real hard to please their fairy tale friend in the sky and hoping maybe to get special place in heaven.
feel free to come watch wholesome movies without worrying about sex, nudity
The "gay" scene is dancing. Dancing. Not sex or nudity. But never mind facts...these "family-oriented" types don't.
Yay for them.
According to the opinion polls only 7% of Malaysians age 18-29 think homosexuality is acceptable.
A Sigmund Fraud?
He's not wrong
Because then children might see people that are demonized acting normal and say "Why do we have to hate these people, they don't seem so evil like everyone says they are" and then we're lost into a downward spiral of not hating a minority!
I do that every weekend at the bar, it always comes back eventually :/
There are people in this world who stay up awake at night staring at the ceiling worried somewhere, someone is happy and enjoying their life.
Some of those people are censors.
I find it cute that all these religious people seem to have no issues with the bestiality portrayed in this film though...
They get murdered in America too :(
History repeating itself. Makes you wonder how often rational people have rolled their eyes at this shit.
Should have made your own thread in /sub/jokes for all of the delicious karma.
I just have no words
we already know that. you just spout empty phrases.
We just don't see them often because they're aren't loud and abrasive.
You don't see them often because they usually go extinct at some point. Ideas, like genes, need a driving force to stay alive and dogma, unlike fact, doesn't really have an alternative to forcing itself onto others.
Yeah, I didn't know how to spell it, so I went with Mr. T
It's soooo bad.
Pretty much sums up what I hear about the books/movies.
On one hand, getting bdsm into the mainstream is great. On the other hand, portraying bdsm as actual rape is terrible.
I'd have to agree with you on this. I'm not into BDSM personally, but I wouldn't mind seeing it portrayed (accurately) in mainstream movies more often.
And one who doesn't even like chianti. Tbh I think he's a fraud ugh.
BDSM practitioners abide by a golden rule: Safe, Sane, and Consensual. Rape, by its very definition, is not consensual.
Malaysia has always been insane like that. I lived there a number of years ago, when there was an edition of "Time" magazine that featured Michaealangelo's "David" on the cover.
I shit you not, a crew of people in the Malaysian government took a sharpie and X'd over David's penis on the cover. Every. Single. Issue. that went into Malaysia that month, had a hand-drawn scribble over the STATUE OF DAVID's penis.
hell YES they're gonna freak out over a mildly gay insinuation in a Disney movie. they are truly fucking ridiculous in the government there.
The point isn't about happiness, the point is control. People love controlling other people. Religion is primarily about controlling people, and stuff like this shows just how good it is at that
it was straight up emotional abuse and rape by coercion
and i'll be damned if i can't even enjoy that in private anymore!
Beast can give, and request, consent in unambiguous terms.
This is manufactured outrage. Malaysia also has banned "Schindlers List" and "Babe". Who the fuck cares about this country and what it bans?
they just dont go out pushing their believes on the throats of others,
But they have to push those beliefs somehow, or those beliefs wouldnt make it past the next generation
Lefou, I think.
The fuck was the point of the movie, then?
There's also a scene where the beast rams Lumiere right in the Candelabra
Chianti is a terrible pairing for liver and beans. It's also not the wine he drank in the book, because the author knew better.
But one is male and one is female. So.
He said sensible.
But that's two woman together. How is that gay? Obviously lesbians are ok. What were talking about it two men. MEN! Can you imagine? What if children start feeling comfortable with other people's sexualities reeeeee!
Because people like you still exist. You're an asshole. You were excited but now you won't go? Over this? It's 2017. Grow the fuck up. Other peoples sexuality is no one elses goddamn business. It's a few fleeting moments in a film where a straight white woman falls for a fucking buffalo or whatever the hell he is in lieu of Stockholm syndrome. And you have a problem with the gay guy.
Billionaire sweeps empty vessel plain Jane off her feet with a ring and makes sweet missionary position love to her, without contraceptives. It was actually pretty wholesome for traditional values imo. Obligatory disclaimer: I only saw the movie thanks to a girl.
It is particularly sad when they deny their kids the ability to watch a kids movie because they themselves can't handle something they don't understand. For all the "KIDS NOWADAYS ARE SO WEAK!!!!!!" bullshit, there sure a lot of adults that can't handle something outside of their comfort zone.
I don't think she actually engages in a physical relationship until the Beast turns into David Haller from Legion.
I'd go gay for Gaston tbh.
his influence is too damn high!!!
But falling in love with the man buffalo thing is okay
They've exhausted themselves on 50 Shades over the last several years. Then the movie came out and it was extremely tame compared to what the books let them imagine. The second movie didn't even contain any real BDSM.
This works if you are a healthy, rich, white male. Otherwise, his policies impact you.
Now if we could just get them to stop appeasing racist Chinese viewers as well that would be great. I'm guessing they don't get quite as much money from Malaysia as they do from China though so it's easier to pretend to have the moral high ground there.
If you are gonna complain about censoring, at least complain about something other than a troll post getting removed.
This news to you? Ever been to America?