Canada embassy to remain in Tel Aviv: Trudeau

Canada embassy to remain in Tel Aviv: Trudeau
Canada embassy to remain in Tel Aviv: Trudeau

This is such an easy game to win.

USA- we are going to do something completely stupid. boo CANADA- we are not going to do that cheers

I am Canadian and not surprised of this announcement.

It is stupid to do anything that hinders the peace process.

A compromise where East Jerusalem is the capital of Israel and West Jerusalem becomes part of a Palestinian state is or was possible. Trump has come out and said the US doesn't recognize any claim to the whole of Jerusalem except Israel's.

You have that flipped - West Jerusalem is the part that would be considered Israeli, and East Jerusalem would be part of a proposed Palestinian state.

A compromise where East Jerusalem is the capital of Israel and West Jerusalem becomes part of a Palestinian state is or was possible. Trump has come out and said the US doesn't recognize any claim to the whole of Jerusalem except Israel's.

yeah cos they have their faces checked by a female officer prior to the ceremony.

Maybe he wants to distance himself from the 'nazi' accusations? Maybe he wants to solidify the evangelical vote? Maybe he wants to do something for Kushner so he doesn't speak to Mueller? Maybe he wants to distract the media from the Mueller investigation story?

countries are willing to recognize west Jerusalem.

Israel wants the entire city.

Remember that time he hilariously told refugees in the US that they were welcome in Canada? Turns out he wasn't really serious about that.

Your answer betrayed the very problem i am calling out. Israel isn't the only group that matters, for peace to work both sides must be happy. And this is pissing off the otherside becuase it is violation of the current peace agreement.

What a thoughtful and well reasoned comment you made there.

No they were bitching because the Jews exist. They were offered 80% of the land in Palestinian area in 1937 by the British Peel Commision. The Jews accepted the division... the Arabs turned them down. 

In 1947 the Palestinian Arabs were again offered a 2 state solution by the UN. Again the Jews accepted the solution and again the Arabs rejected it.

Just as the 2 state solution was going into effect the Arabs League invaded the area with the intent to wipe Israel off the map. Israel won.

Jordan then annexed and ended up occupying the West Bank after the 1948 invasion and they treated the people living there like shit but there was no outcry from the Arab community because all they care about is bitching about the Jews.

In 1967 the surrounding Arab states decided to start pulling the same shit again. After threatening Israel with war Egypt and its allies then closed the straits of Tehran and mobilized their armies along the border. Instead of waiting for them to attack Israel like they did last time Israel responded immediately this time and blew the Arab Armies away. Israel ended up with additional land that they had won in the war with Egypt and Jordan. They offered to give the land back to Egypt and Jordan if Egypt and Jordan would simply accept a peace agreement. The Arabs refused again.

When Israel withdrew from the Gaza Strip in 2005 the Arabs responded by launching rockets at them from the Gaza Strip.

The Arabs in Palestine were repeatedly offered their own state multiple times throughout history including at Camp David in 2000 and at every occasion they have refused and called for the destruction of Israel. Israel is not the one being unreasonable here.

No they were bitching because the Jews exist. . The Jews accepted the division... the Arabs turned them down.

In 1947 the Palestinian Arabs were again offered a 2 state solution by the UN. Again the Jews accepted the solution and again the Arabs rejected it.

Just as the 2 state solution was going into effect the Arabs League invaded the area with the intent to wipe Israel off the map. Israel won.

Jordan then annexed and ended up occupying the West Bank after the 1948 invasion and they treated the people living there like shit but there was no outcry from the Arab community because all they care about is bitching about the Jews.

In 1967 the surrounding Arab states decided to start pulling the same shit again. After threatening Israel with war Egypt and its allies then closed the straits of Tehran and mobilized their armies along the border. Instead of waiting for them to attack Israel like they did last time Israel responded immediately this time and blew the Arab Armies away. Israel ended up with additional land that they had won in the war with Egypt and Jordan. They offered to give the land back to Egypt and Jordan if Egypt and Jordan would simply accept a peace agreement. The Arabs refused again.

When Israel withdrew from the Gaza Strip in 2005 the Arabs responded by launching rockets at them from the Gaza Strip.

The Arabs in Palestine were repeatedly offered their own state multiple times throughout history including at Camp David in 2000 and at every occasion they have refused and called for the destruction of Israel. Israel is not the one being unreasonable here.

Are Canadians delusional enough to think that a peace process might end with Jerusalem not being Israel’s capital?

because it needlessly stirs shit.

Yeah that’s the only reason people voted liberal: The Niqab. /s

Here I was thinking I voted liberal because the last 10 years of conservatives ran the economy into the ground but oh no it’s because I am a secret Muslim who is practicing taqueria, mashallah.

Arabs will always bitch about Israel. Even when the Arabs were in control of Jerusalem they were still bitching about Israel so let's not pretend that Jerusalem (A city that the only reason anyone gives a fuck about it is because of the Jews) is somehow the thing blocking "peace".

Moving an embassy in Jerusalem is a geopolitical issue, not a sociopolitical issue.

It's not being contrary for the sake of being contrary.

The whole world has condemned this decision, even people within the white house.

It seems like Trump is being contrary for the sake of being contrary

TIL deciding not to make a contentious symbolic gesture in a volatile region of the world makes you a "giant pussy".

You know because we all are SJWs who want Canada to become moslem and Mohammed trudeau doesn't care about the real canadiuns

Wtf? Most people really don't give a shit about niqabs. The other issues were way more important during the last election. Namely, widening inequality and the sentiment of the middle class that they were being "left behind"

That and Trudeau's handsome mug & beautiful mane. That's what swung the election

Lol Yeah, it's up to "them" The country that is literally trapping a peoples in a camp with no independence

Don't kid yourself...without the USA or some other bigger entity, the Palestinians are going to continue to get fucked over by the Israelis

I was neither here nor there on Trudeau before this, but this is certainly improving his image in my eyes.

I'm sorry

Your lack of education really reflects your nationality and voting sentiment. I don't mean to stereotype but damn dude.

Trump actually has a brilliant method of operation. There's only so much media bandwidth available, and the public can only focus on so many issues at once. If something is going to shit he'll do something even more terrible elsewhere to draw attention away.

For example, Meuller's getting close. Better do something that makes people not care about that for a while.

edit: I'm not sure if I'm getting downvoted by Trump supporters upset that I'm highlighting his methods of distraction, or Trump haters upset that I used the term "brilliant".

I still cannot understand to what end Trump is playing. Why now? Why when there are so many other important things happening?

"When it seems like everyone around you is being an asshole, it's usually because you are actually the asshole"

Keep your head in the sand bud, it's been working out great for Israel's image around the world thus far. I mean, your reputation has just been soaring over the last ten years, hasn't it?

Oh wait, let me guess, your answer is "who cares what the world thinks?"

Bold strategy, Cotton..

35 million, 10th biggest economy, biggest exports are actually oil and gas, cars, and lumber. Which, presuming youre American by your comment all keep your country ticking.

And Israel might be forced to accept a compromise where they lose half of Jerusalem.

Of which the only reason that those religions care is because the Jews cared. The only reason that city has any significance is because the Jews cared about it. Every other religion's claim to that city rests on the fact that it was important to the Jews.

Why do Christians care? Because Jesus was there. Why was Jesus there? Because Jesus was a Jew and the city was holy to Jews.

Why the Muslims care? Because Mohammad went there and supposedly ascended there (Although there's very little evidence to suggest he actually went there). Why did Mohammad supposedly to go there to ascend? Because it was considered a holy city by the Jews. Of the 3 religions Muslims actually have the most tenuous connection to Jerusalem as the only reason Mohammad tacked his legacy to that city was he was trying to associate himself to the prophets of old like Abraham, Moses and Jesus (who were all jews).

In every case the only reason anyone gives a fuck about that city is because the Jews cared about it.

No, he did not say that. He explicitly said that whether the city is shared or not is up to them, and that the US is open to the idea of a shared Jerusalem.

That's fine, more and more countries are beginning to ignore the U.S because it gets bitchy if it doesn't get it's way.

Like a spoiled child, which makes sense, the U.S is less than 500 years old, barely out of infancy.

It can be held back as an additional carrot for an eventual peace deal

why is it Canada's place to dangle carrots in front of a country 10,000km away?

Giving the parties everything they want

israel has been sovereign over that territory for 50 years, while there has never been any sovereign Palestinian entity that ruled that territory.

Canada is playing with soft power with an ally which shares most of the same values, it's completely unnecessary.

would you find it reasonable if Israel promoted an independent state for first peoples where Ottawa would be divided?

"Them" refers to the parties involved, not just Israel. But you're right to be pessimistic.

You may think thats what got him in, maybe it was important to you, but pretty much a non issue from what I have heard and read. Weed legalization and electoral reform were the big ones, not too mention an electorate that was sick of harper and his MP's (my reason). The niqab thing was just a bickering point.

Canada's stance has long pre-dated Trudeau, I don't see how it makes him a giant pussy to not immediately overhaul Canada's stance because Trump did something.

Better than the 20m plus he would have got because the Harper Government didn't intervene in his illegal detention and torture. You do understand that the 10m pay out was a court ordered settlement right, not a government decision. Harper spent more than 10m in attempting to change the courts decisions for christ sake...the Government fucked up, and the courts ruled against it.. fuck me.

Except that Trudeau has sided with Israel is every UN vote related to them for his entire term as Prime Minister....

I mean... it's probably all we can afford. It's literally a single office building. That Jerusalem real estate is expensive.

Being contrary for the sake of being contrary

Both US and Canada had the same stance, then the US changed its stance, which means Canada is now suddenly "being contrary for the sake of being contrary"?

Hes a sekrit Muslem!!

Because there is no significance of Jerusalem at all to the Jewish people?

I'm confused by your statement

It's your complete lack of nuance that betrays you.

Maybe I'm a self hating Canadian?

Doubtful. Anyone self loathing doesn't just come out and admit it unless they're projecting. More than likely you're a self loathing American. Which leads me to believe that you're not necessarily uneducated, but that you have emotional issues.

Israel controls Temple Mount.

The Jordanian Waqf runs the Mount administratively and religiously, but Israel is responsible for security, and trumps the Waqf when their interests do not align.

Israel limits entrance to women and the elderly when tensions arise, enforces when tourists/non-Muslims can enter, and puts many boots up there very quickly when shit kicks off.

Ultimately, Israel just wants quiet. (I don't mean that as a sweeping political statement, I'm just talking about day-to-day concerns of the security forces). Allowing the Waqf to administer the site is the most efficient way to keep tensions down on most days, but make no mistake that Israel absolutely has final say, (and eyes), on all of Jerusalem.

Two interesting anecdotes:

In 67 during the war, when the Old City and Temple Mount were captured, the military rabbi (later Chief Rabbi of Israel, name escapes me), led troops to the top, raised an Israeli flag, blew a shofar, and prayed the kaddish. He was swiftly ordered down directly by the Chief of Staff in order to not kick off a much larger regional religious conflict.

They say (later to be PM) Ariel Sharon visiting Temple Mount is what kicked off the Second Intifada. Tensions had been rising since the breakdown of the Oslo negotiations, and by the turn of the millennium, Israel/Palestine was a pile of dry sparkler dust on an Arizona summer day. Sharon visits Temple Mount. Cue protests and rock throwing. Cue tear gas and rubber bullets. Cue a bitter insurgency with monthly (or more frequent) suicide attacks against civilians and corresponding military campaign to shut that shit down by whatever means, that ultimately claimed the lives of some thousand Israelis and some three thousand Palestinians.

That is not a realistic possibility any more than the right to return. Why not accept reality?

I forgot to check his history, but now that you mention it yeah this guy seems like a lost cause. Thanks for saving me some time, guy.

Actually the Tel Aviv embassy is baller. SEVEN parking spaces in downtown Tel Aviv with a doorman and an elevator. Dude, it's awesome.

A thread on Israel that degenerates into hyperbolic hysteria.

Colour me surprised.

Directing attention is actually the one thing the Trump administration is really good at.

They are welcome in the US through proper means as well...

Meh

God did not magically bequeath that land to them.

If it creates far more problems than the good it does. Yes it is very stupid.

Canada's position is in line with most other countries, including the UK, Australia, Denmark, France, Italy, Japan, and South Korea. If Israel only had West Jerusalem most countries would probably recognize it as the capital. Its occupation of East Jerusalem is what is contentious, and since that wasn't even originally part of Israel I'm not sure how "historic rights" play into it.