At least 7 dead and 48 wounded in terror attack and Mayor of London says there is "no reason to be alarmed!" (4:31 AM - 4 Jun 2017)

At least 7 dead and 48 wounded in terror attack and Mayor of London says there is "no reason to b...

Context:

Trump tells Japanese Emperor that mass shootings can happen anywhere: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/donald-trump-japan-emperor-akihito-texas-mass-shooti...

The question is: Why don't they, then?

‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

You probably need a gun to be a mass shooter

If you're comparing a developed country to third world countries with barely functioning government, I guess.

I live in London. It's a gigantic city. There really isn't any reason to be afraid.

Specifically, I live in the borough of Southwark, which is actually way above average for crime statistics in London:

http://www.propertydetective.com/blog/crime-rate-in-london-borough/

960 incidents reported in a year.

I used to live in Virginia Beach, VA(for about 25 years). Want to know the same crime reporting numbers there for a year?

Over ten thousand.

https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/va/virginia-beach/crime

Granted, VA Beach's population is a bit higher than Southwark's, but not by any amount that would explain the difference. 313,000 vs 452,000.

And if we specifically look at violent crime, it's 212(Southwark) vs 630(VA Beach).

And again, Southwark's crime rate is well above average for London.

I should also make a note that VA Beach is largely just fucking suburbia. While here in Southwark it's definitely far more urbanized.

So in addition to being a hypocrite he also likes to take people out of context and borderline slander them. What an alpha genius amiright? /s

What's funny is a mass shooting has never happened in japan

Americans like to believe they're the only first world country.

Source: Am American

America is the best third world country.

US has 5% of worlds population but 30% of the mass shootings

White gyy did it so no terrorism litterally nothing a government can do to stop it. London was attacked by a brown guy that could have been stopped with a simple wall around all of London

And article in the New York Times today explains that while yes, mass shootings can happen in a lot of countries, no, it will not happen with such frequency as in the US.

They've been running the same story for like 3 years now

It has halogens happened though, back in 1938.. Thirty people killed and three injured, the perpetrator used a Remington shotgun, an axe and a sword.

Edit because wtf autocorrect?

Mass knife attacks are predominantly in China. Japan had one sarin gas attack in 1995, which was 22 years ago, not attacks plural.

Not sure how many mass shootings we've had in the USA since then, but Wikipedia has 131 articles tagged "Mass Shootings in The USA" for 1996-present. So at least that many.

I did something similar early this year in a thread where gun deaths came up (was not the original topic, although it was an Isis story over on News). I think that the same would be found for other crime. Note that no one offered a breakdown of the Houston stats, although one reply all but said that it was because there was a higher percentage of blacks.

OK, lets go with something closer to home.

Canada. AFAIK, there has not been much change to the gun laws up here since the long gun registry was scrapped. So no bans that took effect recently to skew the numbers. We do have fairly strict gun laws, however, particularly when it comes to hand guns.

Toronto is the highest population city, and so also has the highest crime rate, and also gun deaths. Population of Toronto is about 2.6 million.

I looked at a list of US cities by population. Closest in population is actually Chicago at 2.7 million, but I do not want to go there as everyone knows how bad the situation there and do not want to be accused of trying to weight the comparison in my favor. So I will go the other way. Houston is the next closest, at 2.1 million.

For some reason while I can find a breakdown for Toronto, I can not seem to find one for Houston. If anyone can provide the breakdown, please do. Meanwhile, I will move forward with the overall Homicide rate, and provide the breakdown for Toronto, and update with Houston if/when I get it.

So, Houston had a total of 302 homicides in 2016, holding virtually steady compared to the year before. http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/houston-murder-rate-hold-steady-acevedo-c...

Meanwhile, Toronto had a total of 74, of which 41 were guns, 9 were stabbing, and 24 "other". That is a substantial rise from 2015, which had 57 homicides, 26 of them shootings. Toronto also had a total of 407 shootings total in 2016, with 288 in 2015. https://www.torontopolice.on.ca/statistics/ytd_stats.php

2016 was the worst year when it came to homicides and gun violence since 2005 when we had similar numbers and it was called "Summer of the Gun" locally.

So to recap. With the caveat that we do not know how many of the murders in 2016 were gun related in Houston, with 77% of the population, Houston had a murder count just over 4 times as high, on a bad year for Toronto.

And while they are probably included with the overall shooting stats, these numbers do not count negligent discharges, of which I think there are a lot less of since there are fewer guns around. Although even there, there was a story a few weeks back that pointed out that there is a child injured almost every day in Ontario. So there is still work to do there. http://www.torontosun.com/2017/03/27/firearms-injure-child-or-youth-almost-daily-in-ontario

I think that the availability of guns have a distinct role to play in the number of deaths.

He's trying to assert dominance when there is no reason to assert dominance.

Are they shooting knives? If no, you may need to explain to us a bit more how you become a mass shooter with knives.

I posted the below in another comment and it includes research on mass shootings and guns:

More guns leads to more total murders (four separate studies with same conclusion): source,

Higher ownership of guns in a state is linked to more firearm robberies, more firearm assaults an...

Largest study of it's kind. American Journal of Public Health. More guns = more gun murders and m...

Owning a gun has been linked to higher risks of homicide - International Peer Reviewed, Journal o...

Owning a gun has been linked to higher risks of accidental death - Elsevier - Accident, Analysis,...

For every time a gun is used in self-defense in the home, there are 7 assaults or murders, 11 sui...

43% of homes with guns and kids have at least one unlocked firearm - American Journal of Public H...

In one experiment, one third of 8-to-12-year-old boys who found a handgun pulled the trigger. - Official Journal of the American Academy of Pediatrics

The odds of an assault victim being shot were 4.5 times greater if he carried a gun. His odds of ...

Concealed carry does nothing to stop crime -- peer reviewed research published in the Journal of ...

Two recent studies provide evidence that background checks can significantly curb gun violence. I.... study 1 direct links: study 2

The US has 5% of the world's population but over 30% of mass shootings. The US has the highest ra.... Direct link to the peer reviewed study: http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0117259

More guns lead to more gun deaths source .

Owning or being around a gun changes how people act: source 1, source 2

Higher gun prevalence also leads to higher suicide rates: source 1, source 2

Guns don't deter crime: source 1, source 2

Higher levels of firearm ownership were associated with higher levels of firearm assault and fire...

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/

1.

Where there are more guns there is more homicide (literature review).

Our review of the academic literature found that a broad array of evidence indicates that gun availability is a risk factor for homicide, both in the United States and across high-income countries. Case-control studies, ecological time-series and cross-sectional studies indicate that in homes, cities, states and regions in the US, where there are more guns, both men and women are at higher risk for homicide, particularly firearm homicide

2

Across high-income nations, more guns = more homicide.

We analyzed the relationship between homicide and gun availability using data from 26 developed countries from the early 1990s. We found that across developed countries, where guns are more available, there are more homicides. These results often hold even when the United States is excluded.

3

Across states, more guns = more homicide

Using a validated proxy for firearm ownership, we analyzed the relationship between firearm availability and homicide across 50 states over a ten year period (1988-1997).

After controlling for poverty and urbanization, for every age group, people in states with many guns have elevated rates of homicide, particularly firearm homicide.

4

Across states, more guns = more homicide (2)

Using survey data on rates of household gun ownership, we examined the association between gun availability and homicide across states, 2001-2003. We found that states with higher levels of household gun ownership had higher rates of firearm homicide and overall homicide. This relationship held for both genders and all age groups, after accounting for rates of aggravated assault, robbery, unemployment, urbanization, alcohol consumption, and resource deprivation (e.g., poverty). There was no association between gun prevalence and non-firearm homicide.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/11/AR2010061103259.html

Myths about gun control

Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

law professor Franklin Zimring found that the circumstances of gun and knife assaults are quite similar: They're typically unplanned and with no clear intention to kill. Offenders use whatever weapon is at hand, and having a gun available makes it more likely that the victim will die. This helps explain why, even though the United States has overall rates of violent crime in line with rates in other developed nations, our homicide rate is, relatively speaking, off the charts.

Gun laws affect only law-abiding citizens.

But law enforcement benefits from stronger gun laws across the board. Records on gun transactions can help solve crimes and track potentially dangerous individuals............... gun laws provide police with a tool to keep these high-risk people from carrying guns; without these laws, the number of people with prior records who commit homicides could be even higher

When more households have guns for self-defense, crime goes down.

The key question is whether the self-defense benefits of owning a gun outweigh the costs of having more guns in circulation. And the costs can be high: more and cheaper guns available to criminals in the "secondary market" -- including gun shows and online sales -- which is almost totally unregulated under federal laws, and increased risk of a child or a spouse misusing a gun at home. Our research suggests that as many as 500,000 guns are stolen each year in the United States, going directly into the hands of people who are, by definition, criminals.

The data show that a net increase in household gun ownership would mean more homicides and perhaps more burglaries as well. Guns can be sold quickly, and at good prices, on the underground market.

In high-crime urban neighborhoods, guns are as easy to get as fast food.

Surveys of people who have been arrested find that a majority of those who didn't own a gun at the time of their arrest, but who would want one, say it would take more than a week to get one. Some people who can't find a gun on the street hire a broker in the underground market to help them get one. It costs more and takes more time to get guns in the underground market -- evidence that gun regulations do make some difference.

Another article on this topic with links to studies here

https://www.massshootingtracker.org/

378 U.S. mass shootings in 2017

1890 mass shootings since 1/1/2013

2 days since last mass shooting

I'll take my chances at a mass stabbing.

Also that is some fucked up dude. Stabbed disabled people in a nursing home.

He’s like an obnoxious nice guy that hits on lesbians even after they tell him they’re lesbians.

Even developing nations in Africa and the Middle East have fewer mass shootings. The only comparable nations are Central and South America due to cartels and the drug trade.

White guy= mentally ill; brown guy = terrorist. It's simple, really- apparently brown people never suffer from mental illness.. (Doesn't that mean they are superior to white people??)

He's like an obnoxious Nice GuyTM that hits on lesbians and married women after they've told him to fuck off.

Fixed it for you.

Yep. And we can't politicize these last 2 mass shootings that killed over 85 combined, that would just be unfair to the families of the victims. But one brown immigrant kills 10? Stop the presses, we need to keep all these Muslims out of our country

It's almost as if black people are not the problem.

The second world has control of the Whitehouse

It seems like they're just actually reporting the real shit now.

That's 1/3 as many guns per capita as the US. Guns in Finland are also much more strictly regulated.

Finland has 1/60th as many people which means 1/180th as many guns. There aren't enough mass shootings to measure something so small. You don't seem to grasp the difference between per capita and total number.

Overall, Finland does have a very high rate of gun deaths and gun homocides compared to countries with even fewer guns. Switzerland has the most guns per capita in Europe which of course means it has the highest rate of gun murders. Finland has fewer guns and fewer murders. Countries with really strict gun control like the UK have far fewer guns per capita than Finland or Switzerland and a much lower gun homicide rate. The very strong correllation between gun ownership and gun deaths is undeniable. https://www.vox.com/2015/10/3/9444417/gun-violence-united-states-america

Trump also took that quote out of context because he is a simpleton.

It's ok, y'all. People are sending thoughts and prayers. Nothing to worry about.

And then physically sexually assualts them, don't forget that