Amazing Disgrace How did Donald Trump—a thrice-married, biblically illiterate sexual predator—hijack the religious right?

Amazing Disgrace How did Donald Trump—a thrice-married, biblically illiterate sexual predator—hij...

Because the Religious Right isn't about religion, it's about power.

This. He's a white heterosexual male billionaire who panders to the uneducated by repeating every buzzword they know, which gives them validation. What more could they want?

According to an exit poll of Republican voters in the South Carolina primary, evangelicals were much more likely to support banning Muslims from the United States, creating a database of Muslim citizens, and flying the Confederate flag at the state capitol. Thirty-eight percent of evangelicals told pollsters that they wished the South had won the Civil War—more than twice the number of nonevangelicals who held that view.

Holy shit.

It's all about freedom, guys! People should have the choice whether they want to own slaves or not. Why does the government take away people's choice like that?

Also remember, all their churches are telling them to support him and their media tells them he's their champion against all the evil liberals trying to force them to have abortions and sex changes. Their media lies all day and they have been conditioned to reject any other media so they have no factual basis upon which to change their minds.

Easy when all of those things were embraced as values by the US religious right years ago. US Christians need to be a sect all to themselves because nothing matters to them except you saying your Christian and your willing to interfere in other people's lives on behalf of christianity on issues of sexuality (reproduction and recreational sex). The rest is all icing.

Fox News isn't even the worst of it. Infowars and breitbart are preparing them for a civil war, I kid you not.

Rather than asking how Donald Trump hijacked the religious right, I would ask how the religious right hijacked Donald Trump. As long as Trump supports the policies of the religious right, then he is clearly serving their purposes. The religious right would doubtlessly prefer to have Mike Pence as President rather than Donald Trump, but that could well happen. I personally believe that there is a very substantial chance that Trump will not serve his full term of office, as a result either of impeachment, death by natural causes, or assassination.

The false assumption here is that the religious right believes in moral principles.

Yes and no. What's happened is "the right" has become a religion. That's why no matter what the right does, their voters just support them blindly. It's the same mindset as supporting a religion blindly.

The Bible is fine with slavery! Which is more important: God's law or man-made federal law?

Superlatives for kindergarteners. Good bad big huge strong American

In my mother's case it's because her religion makes her staggeringly gullible. She also gave $1,500 to Jim Bakker's religion theme park for a lifetime membership...and considers him an honest man screwed over by the government.

Best I can tell, she literally believes every male who speaks confidently and authoritatively. That's how I happened, too. :) She was 16, and was swept off her feet by an adult who later spent much of his life in prison for various types of con-games and fraud.

Nearly 60 years later, it still never occurs to her that any man who mentions god might lie to her. Trump mentioned god, therefore she, to this day, considers him to be a good man. <is there a gagging emoticon?>

Donald Trump is a paragon of what happens when self-confidence outstrips self-awareness. Naturally, he would fit right in with people who thrive on believing they're right without ever allowing themselves to ask why they believe that.

Their media lies all day

Fox News isn't media.

It's propaganda.

IMO, we need to start calling it what it is.

I would very muck like him to not be assasinated. You guys will not ever see the end of 'trumpism' if he is killed.

The only way out of this bog is to see him lose credibility and lose elections.

The NT doesn't oppose slavery. Jesus could have denounced slavery, but he didn't.

The servant who knows the master's will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows.

-Luke 12:47

Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them.

-1 Timothy 6:1-2

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.

-Ephesians 6:5

It's true that Jesus did argue in favour of this "give away wealth", but when did Evangelicals care about that anyway?

Because he is just like them, they can relate to being thrice married, illiterate of the Bible's teachings and abusive to those they believe to be of less worth than themselves.

It's OK, btw, to compare the American right to the Nazis. I know, that's so taboo, right? Saying that is hyperbolic, the right will scream ...while they also say Obama was a tyrant terrorist from Kenya who founded ISIS to take American lives.

Look, it's OK because, and let me really emphasize this; the Nazis existed and were bad before the Holocaust. Gasp That's the point no one seems to make today. They scream "The right has not exterminated million of people so that's hyperbole!" No, one does not need to commit the holocaust to be a Nazi, the Nazis were there and thriving before the holocaust began and they were still bad. The Holocaust made them unspeakable monsters, yes but they were monsters before. They weren't just "offering a different political theory" -they were Nazis. Fascists. Dictators. These things are still bad even if they don't commit a holocaust. And the parallels are there and alarmingly large too. One just might hope that knowing how the holocaust came about we might spot one before it begins and end it. This notion of "you can't make that comparison because they never committed a holocaust" is nonsense. You are free to notice and discuss whatever you want. You do not need right wing permission.

Is it that religion makes her gullible, or that gullible people tend to fall for religion?

Probably some of both.

Exactly a few days ago, on fox news some woman that's part of a show was telling Trump to kill Snoop Dogg. How insane do you have to be to say any of that and support what she said.

He is also a prime example of what happens when somebody tells lies for so long, that they start to believe them.

He went from a Democrat who had Bill and Hillary Clinton at his wedding, who was pro-choice, for universal healthcare and now hhe is pushing through some of the most extreme right wing executive actions in history.

Welcome to the deep south. I live in this hell hole every day.

Because they are willing to sell out their beliefs to stop abortion and gays.

Trumps election shows how "deeply held" their beliefs are. That a man that is literally the opposite of all Christ's teachings could get their support. This is the final nail in the coffin for America being a Christian nation.

Oh it IS media it just is not journalism. There's a whopping difference.

Yes, it's all propaganda the right wing media is pushing but media just refers to the dissemination of information. And they have quite a network now. It's hardly just fox. And that's going to change soon too. Soon you won't JUST see FOX on tv, there will be other stations too. Just like they have taken over the radio media with over 2500 conservative shows nationwide.

So, more important even than recognizing this is propaganda is to recognize that there is an entire second media out there brainwashing people day and night and they have told them we're the enemy. And Trump and his administration of cronies are deeply involved in it, support it, cite it and almost exclusively cater to only that other media. Something big and dangerous is happening and it's spreading fast and hot like a wildfire.

Check this shit out. I spotted this, of all places, on a christian forum. I don't generally read Breitbart as it turns my stomach so had I not poked around on those forums to see what christians are saying about this administration, I'd have never known it was happening. Welcome to the new era of anti-liberal discrimination. Their media has convinced them we all sit around demanding safe spaces all day, it's probably one of the more popular tactics. Pence will ensure gay discrimination becomes legal again and others are already working to bring back anti-semitism and to further Muslim hatred -oh and Steve Bannon wants to cripple our country so it can't fight these things anymore. And this duplicate media is reinforcing it all and propping up trump and brainwashing more people than ever before.

Folks better start to pay attention. Shit's going down.

Things like that are why I always said it's not religion that's the problem. Even if you eradicated all religions and other kinds of supernatural thinking about the universe, other things will take religion's place in the human mind. Remember how Hitler wanted to replace all functions of religion with the state? I'm not comparing the American right to Hitler, I'm using him as an example why it's not religion we have to get rid of. It's fanatical adherence to any ideology.

Big McLargeHuge American

Thirty-eight percent of evangelicals told pollsters that they wished the South had won the Civil War—more than twice the number of nonevangelicals who held that view.

So either these people don't understand what the Civil War was all about, or they wish that slavery had not been abolished. Either way is terrifying.

"The church of Jesus Christ ought to be the last people to fall for hucksters and demagogues,” Moore wrote in Onward: Engaging the Culture Without Losing the Gospel, a book he had just published at the time. “But too often we do.”

LOL, sorry, I can't help myself here. "Believe not in charlatans, as that would make you foolish; instead, believe in a guy who, 2000 years ago, professed to have magical powers."

*you're x2

Eh, I'd say wishing for slavery is worse because it indicates a terrible view of one's fellow human beings. Someone being ignorant about the history of the Civil War is not that shocking.

Oh absolutely. American Christianity is all about forcing their beliefs, morals, and inhibitions on as many people as possible in any way possible. Along comes a strong man who sees the problems that they see and declares his intention to make the country "great" again by returning to a time when American Christians had political and social dominance. How could they refuse?

Oh but you're interpreting it wrong. If your interpretation is negative you're probably thinking of it all wrong.

/s

In a recent post, Strickland had argued that white Southerners “have faced a widespread and determined assault on our heritage, symbols, monuments, graves, and identity by secular and governmental forces,” and likened such supposed attacks to what Hitler claimed in Mein Kampf: that Germans faced “cultural extermination and ethnic cleansing.” Edwards seconded that analysis, declaring the Confederate flag “a Christian flag,” and arguing that to attack it “is to deny the sovereignty, the majesty, and the might of Lord Jesus Christ in his divine role in Southern history, culture, and life.”

Old testament is ok with slavery. New testament encourages you to give away wealth to receive benefits of heaven.

They have no ability to determine morality or ethics. That's why they need an instruction manual.

This is the final nail in the coffin for America being a Christian nation.

I think you're underestimating the adaptability of the hard core reactionary American Christian. They can manage an astounding amount of cognitive dissonance in the service of their beliefs.

We should just let Dixie go. There doesn't need to be a war, just let them form their own country. We'll allow refugee status for those in the CSA whom choose to come up. We'll save so much money from not having to support Mississippi alone to make it worth losing NOLA.

Not legalize marijuana, that's for sure.

They tell themselves the civil war wasn't about slavery. They have a black friend who agrees, so it must be true.

these people don't understand what the Civil War was all about

If you ask them, you'll often get an answer along the lines of, "It wasn't about slavery, it was about states' rights!"

(To which the obvious reply is, "The states' right to do what?")

I too, remember Jesus speaking about how lovely his slaves were and how well he treats them.

illiterate of the Bible's teachings and abusive to those they believe to be of less worth than themselves

It saddens me that this accurately describes a large swath of people that identify as religious in the States world. I may or may not agree with what you believe, but at least make an effort to exercise some critical thinking and be consistent. If you don't actually know what you believe, stop saying it is foundational...oh people are frustrating.

There is a study that compared children raised with religious stories vs. Non religious stories. Those taught to believe the mythology of the bible as true were far less capable of separating reality from fiction.

If he loses the election, "the election was rigged."

I don't know that the brand of stupid his personality cult represents can be defeated by any logical or normal means.

Aka all religions

The only way out of this bog is to see him lose credibility

Done... One of the lowest ever presidential approval ratings in history.

http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/fox-news-host-says-secret-service-should-kill-snoop...

The most successful con man let's you know he's a con man but makes you think you're the one outsmarting him. Once you begin to believe you're using him and not the other way around is when you've taken the bait hook line and sinker.

The media loved Trump from day one, thinking they would use him to skyrocket ratings. Now he is undermining their legitimacy every chance he gets. The dems were thrilled with the thought that Trump might win the nomination - they'd use him to secure and easy win. Yet he won.

Now the religious right thinks they can use him to install their agenda. I can only hope that they get conned and their faction is shattered.

Donald Trump is a reflection of 40 years of the religious right, funded and supported by concentrations of private power, chipping away at democratic institutions to strip them of their ability to change according to the will of the people. It's not about Donald Trump, it's not even necessarily about the religious right, it's about concentrations of entrenched private power (conservative, and to a degree, liberal) using ignorant religious people as pawns to accomplish their goals.

Mom says the worst mistake of her life was my 10th birthday gift in 1969. My little rural school library had three juvenile SF books by Robert Heinlein, which I'd been reading over and over like, every month for two years. So she bought me a full paperback set of all 25 or so books he had in print, including the adult works like Stranger in a Strange Land.

Whoops! Six months later, I was an atheist.

But I believe it was inevitable. The last time I can recall being innocently gullible was when I was five years old and some neighbor kids fed me a mouthful of mud. I was always very resistant towards authority figures too; the type of smartass kid who corrects his teachers in class and argues interpretation of Bible verses with Sunday School teachers.

Certainly nobody taught me that by example. I assume those must be my father's genes showing their influence. I found his Navy bad conduct discharge once, rummaging in my grandparents' attic, so looks like he had similar trouble with authority figures. But I've only met him a few times, so who knows.

Funny, I'm in the south and the local church has a banner still flying that has the cross decorated with stars and stripes and talking about freedom being in danger. No, he won the south as the GOP often wins the south; by being their religion. By conjoining the two, the GOP have made political dissent a form of blasphemy.

Yet, both are terrifying - not equally so, but both are.

I mean fuck, I know what the civil war is, and I'm German.

It's like a German not knowing what WW1 or WW2 was about

For being caught on tape bragging about assaulting women. What is your definition of "sexual predator"?

No but seriously even my lovely southern fiancée used to argue it was about state's rights and economics.

To which my response was "a state's right to what?"

Repeat that question about 20 times and people making that argument begin to realise their elementary schools were omitting the truth to a certain extent.

As atheist alt-right leader Spencer stated “The GOP is a white person’s populist party.” The church has indeed come full circle back to their racist underpinnings in a final desperate attempt to install a theocratic state and thwart the rise of non-belief which threatens their existence.

I wonder how many aspects of sharia you could get majority support for from Evangelicals so long as you didn't mention anything explicitly Muslim about it.

Meeeeeeh....possibly? Means nothing without a lost election though.

An instruction manual that endorses rape, slavery, child abuse, and genocide.

*Bigly

And the NT clearly fails to condemn it:

The servant who knows the master's will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows.

-Luke 12:47

Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them.

-1 Timothy 6:1-2

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.

-Ephesians 6:5

Both my direct family and in-laws are single issue voters on abortion. Trump could have physically raped an entire family, and they would have voted for him out of principle, because he was the only "pro-life" candidate.

I think many people greatly underestimate how little Christians care about outside of abortion.

Trump and his regime push enough propaganda against themselves. Their three-ring circus is about the same as Larry, Curly, and Moe.

In this article the pastor says that "Christians ought to be the last people to fall for hucksters and demagogues", and he can't understand why they did.

Hmmm, let's see... Christians identify as Christians because of their shared belief in a human that a story says he walked on water and performed other magic tricks, and they give a portion of their income and Sunday mornings to worship, with zero proof of this nonsense.

I'm sorry, these are the first idiots you'd expect for fall for outlandish nonsense that a charismatic asshole would try to sell. The fact that Trump is about as far from a Christian ideal as possible (womanizer, adulterer, rich and powerful, tax cheat, mean to the poor, liar, curses, etc) makes zero difference.

The main attribute that is like honey to flies for them is that he promises to punish the people they don't like, namely liberals, the poor, minorities, gays and atheists.

Trump was right. He could shoot a guy on Fifth Ave and they'd still back him unequivocally.

From the perspective of a member of the religious left, it's because they're a pack of fucking hypocrites.

Love thy neighbor: gay bashing care for the needy: cut social programs only god can judge: most judgmental people you'll ever meet money changers in the temple: prosperity gospel render unto Caesar: ignore the secular nature of the country

The list goes on.

They don't care for the call to love others as yourself, to give freely of yourself, or to place the value of others' lives above your own comfort, they care for the trappings of religion and power. They're the pharisees.

Everyone has their price.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/14/nyregion/kushner-companies-anbang-insurance-group.html?_r=0

As much as all the "<x>% of Muslims want Shariah law" or "<x>% of Muslims want to stone gays" scares the crap out of me. Stories like this remind me it's not any one religion that's the problem.

It's dumb assholes using religion as an excuse to be an asshole that's a problem.

Trump is a salesman. He looked at the market. And made his product appeal to the most people. In his case it was a market that others had only dabbled in. He dove in head first and nailed it. Kinda scarey isn't it?

He's perfectly well aware that he's lying; his assumption is that no one will call him out on it, or if they do, he can lie some more and insist on his "alternate reality," and eventually the doubters will cave and profess belief.

"What does the Bible mean when it says words?"

It turns out that most of the "religious" right aren't really as bothered about the actual contents of the Bible as they were pretending.

It really was just an excuse to hate.

Raped his first wife, dude.

Donald Trump is a paragon of what happens when self-confidence outstrips self-awareness.

Assumes facts not in evidence. People keep assuming that Trump is oblivious to how others see him, that he isn't aware of his own flaws, shortcomings and mistakes in judgement.

They're missing the obvious alternative - that he's fully aware, and is happily demonstrating to the world that, as far as him achieving his goals, none of these things matter.

And then complaining that they have to adapt to sharia law

Sexual predator is kind of a joke. The left didn't seem to care that Clinton used his seat to get blow jobs, while being married. Now that it's someone from the right though, it is a disgrace.

I am not a Trump supporter by any means, but lets keep it real.

He's never been shy about his conquests...And more than one woman verified his penchant for groping at public events, relying on embarrassment to prevent the women from causing scenes.

There are many reasons he's extremely disliked in his home city.

You can be thrive divorced and remarried, but be gay and want to marry your long-time partner and suddenly you're an abomination and God will punish America for it.

Not one mention of the prosperity gospel?

It really depends on where you are in the South. I just spent the weekend with my parents in the country and heard plenty of disparaging comments towards Obama (still, lol). Now I'm back at work in the city where I'm surrounded by liberals who hate Trump.

Thirty-eight percent of evangelicals told pollsters that they wished the South had won the Civil War—more than twice the number of nonevangelicals who held that view.

And these are the same people that tell protesters they can just leave the country if they don't like the way things are. Unbelievable.

I'm gonna need a source on that, if only out of curiosity

They're too lazy to stone people, but if you changed it to shoot the gays, unbelievers, and disobedient women, it'd probably be pretty supported.

And really, shooting is just the perfection of rock throwing.

I don't think I can take 8 years of misdirection and conspiracies. This 2 months has been torture.

While this is true, it isn't related to my point.

My point was that Trump was lying about the stances he took in order to become POTUS, but he has been shouting them so long, he actually believes them now and is pushing them forward event though he has already won. His supporters are so rabid he wouldn't need to push most of them through and they wouldn't notice, the only reason he continues to do so is because he drank his own Kool-aid.

Couldn't get past that part as well. The church is precisely the FIRST people to fall for a huckster.

I don't know, and offhand can't think of any good way to test that. A valid point, though.

Or...you know, read one of the secession documents from states such as South Carolina which pretty much clearly spells out that slavery was a big reason for it.

Oddly enough, he was pro-choice about two years ago IIRC.

How times change, hm?

That was the quote that jumped out to me too. These are exactly the people who fall for hucksters and demagogues...the guys who lead their churches and the guys who wrote the fairy tales that they proudly follow without question. These people are absolutely ripe to be conned.

I'm an anti theist and I wish the South had won the ability to be a separate country, but not necessarily the civil war. I think the views of the left and right today are completely incompatible with each other and that the end result is inevitably war.

I also believe that the US is too large to adequately represent everyone and for that reason should be broken up into smaller nations that more accurately reflect people. Perhaps something similar to the EU.

Sounds like America is headed towards another civil war if thats the case.

For Bill Clinton, if you want to call him a sexual predator, use any of the various rape accusers that stand by their story to this day. Monica Lewinsky was a willing participant. Check out Paula jones and Juanita Broderick. Those women stand by their claims decades later, they didn't just disappear after the election like the ones who accused Trump

*The most electoral college votes

He lost the popular vote by three million and is already one of the most unpopular to occupy the oval office.

I mean the old testament pretty clearly condones slavery:

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

Timothy has the best quotes about 'staying in your place.' He's essentially the face of an anti-civil rights movement.

Evaluating his daughters sexual appeal is enough to demonstrate that. No child deserves that kind of power game playing out on a public stage from a parent. His inability to grasp proper limits is pathological.

its crazy how blind people are to the real threat of religious law, the creeping Christian Theocracy is one of the greatest threats to the US.

The Bible! The Bible is the best book! Closely followed by Art Of The Deal

He pandered to their fears and prejudices. And he is male.

eta A lot of religious people (around here anyway) don't want to take orders from a woman. They think a woman's place is in the home, caring for the family, keeping house and having babies while wearing modest dresses and long skirts, a little lace headcover and being subservient to men (who walk around dressed however they like). That's what I meant by "And he is male."

"Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star they let you do it. You can do anything ... Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything."

-- Everybody's favourite weak man's idea of a strong man, Donald Trump.

And I don't agree with you excusing a liar and sexual predator.

The same way Amway has managed to survive all this time - by appealing to the worst in people while pretending it's a great, responsible opportunity.

Your mom sounds like a sweet lady, bless her heart.

you do know that just because reality shows you in a bad light does not mean that it is reality that is bullshit.

I thought that chapter was boring, so I skipped it.

So 38 percent of SC Republicans are traitors to their country and would like a return to slavery

Very fast, very tiny stones.

I wasn't being sarcastic. She sounds like a sweet person. She sounds like she looks for the good in people, even at her own misfortune.

Looks like you triggered some Donbots lol

I'm not sure there's a glove on earth that won't fit his tiny baby hands.

Fuck I hope not.

Easilly, by pandering to them way better than the other republican candidates. Trump's a showman, not a politician. He gives them all love. He gives them all hope. Or so it seems cause the masses wanna buy a dream.

You're mistakenly thinking that religion is about morals and rules and truth, when in fact it has absolutely nothing to do with these things. Religion is about breeding conformity and obedience to authority. It is fear magnified by ignorance and xenophobia. The more conservative a person is, the more fear controls and dominates their actions and worldview. A dictator like Trump is naturally appealing to the religious right... he's a strongman, what every scaredy-cat craves to help them feel safe and secure.

The religious right is not "American Christianity." What about the progressive Episcopalians, the UCC, Presbyterian Church (USA), United Methodist Church, American Baptists, etc. These denoms are much older than their evangelical counterparts, and are some of the most social justice oriented groups in the country, and are collectively tens of millions of people. Even in polls, polling of "evangelicals" would miss this group.

Yeah, neat thing if you look at American history is how the evangelical movement coincided with white flight in places like southern California in the 1950s and 60s

Not sure where you are getting that. The British didn't abolish slavery until 50 years after the revolution.