Absolutely nasty curveball.

It looks like a slider to me. Did the batter hold off on the swing? If he did, props.

Definitely a slider

Edit: most definitely a slider. 100% without a doubt a slider. Slider slider slider slider

Edit 2: Curveball

/sub/filthypitches

I need to take a shower that was so nasty

I think it definitely moves like a slider. I used to pitch and I never learned a slider, but I'd sometimes throw my curve from 3/4 arm slot instead of right over the top and it would move much more horizontally, to the point where other people called it a slider.

I can see an argument to call it a curveball but I think it's a slider.

I'm just sat here in England thinking "what the hell is a slider? I thought that was a burger or something."

The hitter can predict the pitch that's going to be thrown and prepare for it. Even if a pitcher could replicate their mechanics masterfully enough to get the same result pitch over and over, there's no way batters wouldn't adjust to it.

Wait so if someone masters throwing whatever kind of pitches, wouldn't the batter never hit unless he/she had godly reaction time? Not a baseball guy here

Edit: Damn Learned a truck ton! Never really liked baseball cuz I thought it was boring and single layered. How naive lol Thanks for the info guys! Definitely going to be catching a few games on the telly soon!

The pitcher is Chaz Roe, and it's definitely a slider based off his pitch repertoire

This is also a repost from 2 years ago, Roe hasn't pitched for the Orioles since July of last year

There are curveballs that look like this, but people typically think of a 12-6 curve when they hear curveball. The name of the pitch has more to do with the grip than the motion. Jose Berrios throws a

English guy here living in Australia.

Know nothing about baseball or watch it.

100% a slider.

Mariano Rivera would like to offer a word of disagreement.

You can tell it's not from this year because it's an Orioles pitcher and the batter hasn't hit it 450 feet.

Well I can use them in a sentence.

"Ya mum lets me split finger her sinker before I 2-seamer in the cutter"

https://youtu.be/zH_wEUBWp9k

Would that make this the nastiest slider of all time though it breaks so much

The closest British sport equivalent is 'drift' for spin bowling in cricket, where the spin on the ball causes the ball to move laterally in the air due to the Magnus effect, rather than off the pitch.

he throws it like a curve and it doesnt break like a typical slider so i wouldnt say its definitely a slider. if we're all worried about identifying the exact pitch type i think it could be called a slurve. really its a nasty curve from a 3/4 arm slot.

English living in England unlike this traitor ^

Definitely a hungarian slider with a italian twist curve

Pitchers have a variety of pitches that they alternate, depending on the situation. "Fastballs" typically go straight-ish, while "breaking balls" travel more slowly and rely on movement to fool the batter. Nothing in this thread really relates to whether the batter swings or not. Curveballs and sliders are two types of breaking balls or "off-speed" pitches that can be defined either by the way they are thrown, or by they way they move, which is where the differences in interpretation come in.

Typically a curveball drops straight down at the end or "12 to 6" (as in on a clock) where sliders move horizontally, away from the pitchers throwing arm. Curveballs typically move much more than sliders because of the way they are thrown, and this pitch obviously moves approximately 1 fuck-ton, however the sideways movement on this pitch has many people identifying it as a slider even though very few pitchers are capable of throwing a slider that moves this much.

Check the bleachers to see if there is a guy there with his finger pressed to his temple and an intense look of concentration

Dude you just need a shower.

Rivera's cutter broke so damn late it was beautiful.

Perhaps a better replacement would be "breaking ball". :)

God damn thanks m9

Can someone ELI5 for the rest of us that know nothing about baseball. I don't understand any of the jargon being used in this thread.

What in tarnation is a slider, and why did the batter stop swinging?

sliders move from side to side

some pitchers throw a blend where it goes at 45 degrees. kinda like this gif but its clearly a curveball and has majority of vertical drop

Unfair. Check it for foreign substances!

You can wear it as a badge of pride if someone calls your pitch nasty. Very good thing.

One hit out of 3 at bats, not throws.

Mariano Rivera was a closer for the New York Yankees. Signed as a young kid from Panama he wasn't even a pitcher, naturally. The scout from the Yankees saw him throw in the field, then come in for one pitching appearance and offered him a contract before going back the the US. He admit supposed to pitch that day. All of the scouts were there to see the starting pitcher, but he did terribly and the team didn't have a back up plan, so Mariano cake inn to get then through the game.

Being a closer means being a pitcher that comes in for the last few outs of a game, usually the last three. They are typically used when their team is winning by three runs or fewer. If a closer gets the outs without tying or losing the game, he gets what is called a save.

Mariano Rivera was the greatest closer of all time. He recorded the greatest number of saves in Major League Baseball history. When he came in for the Yankees, the game was all but guaranteed to be over. This because of his cutter. The cutter moved so late it was terribly hard to hit. He didn't throw 100 mph, he didn't have 5 pitches to choose from. You knew what was coming, you knew when it was coming, you just couldn't hit it. Especially when it was thrown high and inside (close top the batter but still in the strike zone). The Yankees have Mariano (Mo) to thank for their dominance in the late 90s to 2000. They won the World Series in 96, 98, 99, and 2000. They also made the World Series in 01, 03, and won it again in 09. Yep, Mariano won it 5 times!

He is my favorite Yankee of all time. If you look up the work he has done you will see he is also an all around great person. Although my brrother, father, grandfather, mother, and grandmother were all born in different decades, and we knew different players, he was one of a few generational talents for the Yanlees (Along with Derek Jeter, Jorge Posada, Andy Pettite, and Bernie Williams) that we all had the privelege to watch together. I have those players to thank for a tremendously fun childhood watching baseball with my family. I could go on forever with this, but I will end it there.

M'nine

A North American freshwater turtle with a red/yellow patch on the side of my head here. Most definitely a slider.

Mate the US are the traitors, Aus are the convicts, get it right!

Greatest closer in the history of the game, and he did it all with one pitch. Glad I was alive to see it.

Filthy. Its like a wiffle ball.

It was a ball and Martin hit a double two pitches later.

English guy here living in Australia.

That's a strange way of saying you're currently incarcerated. At least they let you have internet.

If there are runners on base, they run if they think they can make it before the ball is recovered and they are thrown out.

It can be very difficult, but just as much as these guys practice their pitches the batters practice their game as well, but that's why a good batting average is 30%.

The catch is as impressive as the throw, shout out to professionals..

Fun story on the subject of Rivera's propensity for breaking bats with his cutter: when he announced his retirement, the Minnesota Twins gave him a rocking chair made out of the remains of Twins' bats he broke.

genuine question; do you guys say it in disgust (that was a dog throw) or appreciation? (man that was ruthless, that was sick)

More like swing bowling, no?

I have no idea what you are talking about. but would like a source for this enjoyment

Yeah in this case it's a bit of absurd hyperbole -- "nasty" as in, "that pitch was so unhittable, you're just being unfair to the hitter at this point."

(the implied humor being that although the entire point of pitching is to throw things that can't be hit, you've somehow gone too far)

It's a slurve.

Mariano Rivera would like to offer a word of disagreement.

As a non-baseball person here... holy cow!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariano_Rivera

Rivera primarily threw a sharp-moving, mid-90s mile-per-hour cut fastball that frequently broke hitters' bats and earned a reputation as one of the league's toughest pitches to hit. With his presence at the end of games, signaled by his foreboding entrance song "Enter Sandman", Rivera was a key contributor to the Yankees' success in the late 1990s and early 2000s.

Go O's!

I'm not so sure I agree with that. I think it would be harder to knock out a professional mma fighter/boxer. Or hit a hole in one if golf. Or any of many other things that don't happen 50+ times during a match.

Not trying to be a dick, but that's a silly claim to make.

Edit: The term "match" was used to generalize all sports. I used to play baseball, and I'm well familiar with the rules and difficulties, at least at a lower level of play.

Everyone is arguing that it's apples and oranges, yet the comment I replied to basically said that it was the hardest thing to do in any sport. If you want to qualify that by making arbitrary rules around what qualifies as comparable, you might as well just say it's harder to hit a baseball than a tennis ball or golf ball. Which it certainly is. I still think it's harder to score a goal in a game like soccer, where 0-3 goals in a game is common. If hitting a ball were the hardest task in any sport, it would rarely, if ever, happen. But that's not the case. It may not be easy, but it's a long shot away from the hardest.

Ya know, if the Swede says it's a curveball, it's 100% a slider. Dane here.

Probably the most difficult thing to do repeatedly and isn't a direct outcome like winning an mma match. Obviously hitting a hole in one is much more difficult, but you can win without doing it. Except in the rarest of circumstances, you're not going to win without stringing multiple hits together. Also, between the two teams, your gonna be looking at 15-25 hits, not 50+. I'm also not trying to be a dick here, I just like baseball

Isn't what you described throwing a Slurve? Love that pitch in vidya.

It's a good thing you were so kind to explain the difference instead of being a condescending douchebag about it. Oh wait...

hitter friendly

And so is our rotation.

What happens if the dude doesn't catch the ball?

fascinating, thanks man

Not if it's the spin that is causing the movement, in swing bowling it is the different amounts of friction acting on the sides of the ball due to one side being shinier than the other

Tldr: they're putting English on it.

They train a lot.

Pitching is still terrible for your body no matter how well you train. Many of these guys are pitching through pain.

Hungarian here, living in Sweden since 20 or so years. Don't watch baseball or know anything about it, but I played a lot of chess 10 years ago.

Guys, this is without a doubt a 100% slider.

Username checks out.

This is absolutely the case. Source: Was mourning dove in past life, don't like to talk about it really but people have to know

True. I was in Philly, walking on Chestnut, and was almost hit by a homerun ball when the Orioles were playing.

Oh my god you are right ........ SCUM ALL OF YOU SCUM

A two-seamer is what it sounds like, two fingers on the seams where they are closest together. It's claim to fame is both the ease of throw and the movement down and to the dominant side of the pitcher. It is generally slower (and easier) than a standard fastball. Virtually all pitchers can throw this one fairly easily.

The cutter is opposite in terms of effect and how it's held. The ball will "cut" away from the batter (but generally not down). This causes "softer" hits. If you see a batter hit a ball and it goes to first base (righty) or third base (lefty) like it's taking an afternoon stroll, it was probably a cutter.

The sinker.. well. this is self explanatory, it will dip just before reaching the batter, it is basically a fastball with downward movement, causing lot's of ground balls as the batter usually ends up swinging in a downward angle or contacting the ball on the top portion. Depending on how it is thrown it can also have horizontal movement. You grip this one like the two-seam but the thumb goes under horizontally supporting it. (it's hard)

Spit finger, the grip is easy to figure out, you grip the ball with your index and middle fingers in a "V" or "split". The result is very similar to the sinker although it is more pronounced at the tail end, again causing ground balls or fieldable hits. It's easier to spot by the batter than the sinker.

Virtually all pitches are designed to lesson the impact of a batter's ability and to fool the batter with late motion and almost every pitch that is not simply thrown straight at the batter cause different stresses on the arm, hand and fingers.

If you want to get into the physics of each pitch there are plenty of dedicated resources to look up on google.

As a baseball player in high school I never worried about which pitch they were throwing, my goal was to keep my eye on the ball, a great batter can see where the ball is going to be. Unfortunately, I was not a great batter.

That said, I think the truly great baseball players just have uncanny eyesight. I didn't have that either.

If he stops soon enough it doesn't count as a swing. Not swinging means it could be called a "ball." Swinging, even at a pitch that isn't in the strike zone, means it is a "strike."

I don't think those align in the same way. Like the equivalent would be landing a punch on a trained boxer or making par on a golf course. Because the other things require far more than a single individual's act, especially knocking out a pro fighter. Even the hole in one requires wind to be perfect. You're talking luck over difficulty.

Found the Australian

He was so fooled he swung with his body and just not the bat

in the simplest possible terms

slider = moves side to side

curve = moves up and down

slurve = moves diagonally

source: junk ball pitcher in high school. I threw all 3 plus a knuckle and fork ball

Even if the pitch in and of itself is tricky to hit, if its all you throw batters/teams can and will figure it out.

If you are playing the MLB, it's probably because you do have godly reaction time.

He knew exactly where it would go though. They communicate with signals beforehand.

That's one out of every three at bats. Not pitches. Each at bat is typically 3-4 pitches so it means a good batter is hitting something like 1/12 pitches well enough to get on base (if you include walks it adds a few percentage points and is a stat called OBP).

You better call saw.

repost from 2 years ago

Knuckleball has no spin so moves irratically. Forkball looks like a normal fastball but is much slower and dives downward

Pitching is a career where you are expected to need surgery to replace your arm tendons at least once or twice before you retire. It's not exactly safe for the human body.

Ethiopian goat herder here, living in Ethiopia 20 or so years. Don't watch baseball or know anything about it, but I've been herding these goats for 10 years.

Guys, this is without a doubt a 100% slider.

Now explain the 2-seamer, cutter, sinker and split finger :P

Since no one is on base, nothing. They may have to wait for the ball boy to run out and pick it up if it bounces away. Once a baseball has struck something besides the gloves of the pitcher and catcher it is removed from play, so the ball boy would just take it and probably throw it into the crowd.

They had a tough weekend.

difference between a slider, curve and a slurve for a non-yankeedoodle?

Awww those cute little Scandinavian countries are hazing each other again.

Post, post, pass

I'm pretty sure it's a googly.

Found an example.

Head to youtube and watch Andrew Miller, Chris Sale, and Tyson Ross for some (often) nastier sliders.

Now that's a ELI5. Thx!

It probably just feels like more pitches because you kinda just ignore a guy grounding out on his first swing but really pay attention when it's a full count.

lol 60 must feel like molasses in the bigs. Nasty.

I need to share it though. We get 500 bytes each then we have to pass it to the next person.

no, its not that hard to catch the ball or track its movement if you expect it. really the only time they'll drop it is if the pitcher throws a curveball which bounces on the ground before it gets to the catcher. he knows what to expect because he tells the pitcher what to throw

Sounds like me. People who don't throw heat have to make up for it with location and movement. There's a reason we don't get past high school lol.

The batter checked his swing. Meaning he stopped before it became a full swing

That is kind of a misconception.

The MLB rule book doesn't actually have any official definition of a checked swing. All it says is that a swing is "an attempt to strike at the ball", so the ump has to make a judgment call as to if there was an attempt or not.

Breaking the plane of the front of the plate is a common consideration though.

I wrote this a reply to another comment, but I'd like to share because it is hard not to get romantic about baseball.

Mariano Rivera was a closer for the New York Yankees. Signed as a young kid from Panama he wasn't even a pitcher, naturally. The scout from the Yankees saw him throw in the field, then come in for one pitching appearance and offered him a contract before going back the the US. He admit supposed to pitch that day. All of the scouts were there to see the starting pitcher, but he did terribly and the team didn't have a back up plan, so Mariano cake inn to get then through the game.

Being a closer means being a pitcher that comes in for the last few outs of a game, usually the last three. They are typically used when their team is winning by three runs or fewer. If a closer gets the outs without tying or losing the game, he gets what is called a save.

Mariano Rivera was the greatest closer of all time. He recorded the greatest number of saves in Major League Baseball history. When he came in for the Yankees, the game was all but guaranteed to be over. This because of his cutter. The cutter moved so late it was terribly hard to hit. He didn't throw 100 mph, he didn't have 5 pitches to choose from. You knew what was coming, you knew when it was coming, you just couldn't hit it. Especially when it was thrown high and inside (close top the batter but still in the strike zone). The Yankees have Mariano (Mo) to thank for their dominance in the late 90s to 2000. They won the World Series in 96, 98, 99, and 2000. They also made the World Series in 01, 03, and won it again in 09. Yep, Mariano won it 5 times!

He is my favorite Yankee of all time. If you look up the work he had done you will see he is also an all around great person. Although my brrother, father, grandfather, mother, and grandmother were all born in different decades, and we knew different players, he was one of a few generational talents for the Yanlees (Along with Derek Jeter, Jorge Posada, Andy Pettite, and Bernie Williams) that we all had the privelege to watch together. I have those players to thank for a tremendously fun childhood watching baseball with my family. I could go on forever with this, but I will end it there.

Enjoy.

People have said that hitting a baseball from an MLB pitcher is the most difficult thing in all of sports. That control is unreal

Is OP a bot?

TARGETS IDENTIFIED. MUTANTS.

Thats interesting. I always assumed the average number of pitches per at bat was more in the 5 to 6 range. But a quick google search shows average number of pitches per plate appearance is about 3.83

Only if it was the 3rd strike.

You are trying too hard. Are you the replacement for iLickAnalBlood?

Swede here, 100% Curveball.

Sometimes the pitches just don't act like they want and the hitter is able to not be fooled and hit it.

With soccer it isnt so much the goalies that make it hard to score, but the entire defense (which often includes midfielders). So you basically have to thread a needle through 9 opposition players to even get the chance to hit the ball on goal.

If we're talking penalties (the only case where it's just the keeper guarding the goal), any half-decent amateur could probably score over 50% of the time vs a pro keeper.

Edit: This isn't to say that pro goalkeepers aren't godly athletes, but a soccer goal is just too wide for a human to be able to cover reliably. Goalkeepers are essentially a last ditch defense if the proper defense has failed.

Not a baseball fan, but that was amazing.

Alot of fapping.

I tried that too

No one on reddit knows the difference between a slider and curveball

THE BALL CURVED ERIC!

Haha yeah just a bit.

Yes!

When I throw something really hard I often get an intense pain in my hand. how do these guys prevent that?