Best analogy I've heard for it is to imagine your horror and revulsion if your forgotten basement science experiment gained sentience and came upstairs into your bedroom with requests.
Uh, geez. I dunno, Rick.
I was annoyed at the Engineers actions in the original film, and was still confused after this video. The comments really helped me understand - they were planning on wiping out Humanity as they were a disease, so why the fuck are there humans here?
The Engineer wakes up after 2000 years in stasis and is greeted by humans that have discovered interstellar travel. Then, one of the humans proves the Engineers preconceived notion of our species being savages/a disease when Shaw gets hit in the stomach and keels over.
Yes, Ridley did confirm he wanted to do it in interviews but said because of all the drama it would create in places like america he was basically advised not to do it, so he heavily implies it in the movie with the 2000 year gap.
An engineer was sent to check up on humanity and say hello, check our progress, we in our unique way of dealing with things... go into a frenzy and crucify him as a living god. They see that and decide to wipe us out as clearly we are a mistake. Then something happens and they never make it.
The commentated version of prometheus on dvd of ridley answers so much stuff that Lindelof fucked up. He says how the engineers are basically humanity evolved over tens of thousands of years, there are NO women (even though they revert this in covenant) as if you can create life women serve less of a purpose, so there becomes less and less women until generations live without them entirely and just dont bother making more. He also said thats why the engineer was fascinated with shaw.
The language the engineer used is the oldest language known to us, which has been studied by the actual language teacher you see david learning from at the start of the film, they literally got him in to act, and he wrote all the lines for david and the engineer, so when they speak they are actually speaking our oldest known language in actual sentances (to the best of his ability)
They hardly die as they can now age for so so long, and they are deeply spiritual and see making life in thier own image a duty.
All thier tech is biological, like... ALL of it, the ship controls, the locks, weapons etc... and he literally explains how because david is a robot, as a race engineers would find him a repulsive mockery of everything they believe. Hence the engineers reaction.
My PERSONAL theory, only because what the film was suggesting was so fucking cool and made me think about it alot... Is that imagine ourselves in not thousands of years but tens of thousands of years, we can create life like its nothing, and can travel into deep space, and you find the universe is just fucking empty. You start to seed life on planets just like how we make robots, because we can. Now imagine evoliving for more thousands of years... you would have infinite generations growing up in spaceships and women becoming less and less common because we live so long and can just make new people when we need at will.
Fast forward more, nobody dies, there are no women, everyones skin would have gone pallid because of living in dark space, no need to eat as it wastes time and your cool ass engineer exo skeletan space suit just recycles your own energy and nutrients or whatever and keeps you fed, no sex as that wastes time, no need to sleep as it wastes time and you can just take chemicals to prevent the need of it.
And thats where the insanity kicks in. You as a walking god have gone too far, all your natural urges are suppressed in your godliness, we know that lack of sleep sends you mad, imagine bypassing sleep with chemicals... imagine having walking night terrors while you are awake, but you dont even realise your having them. In comes Gigers designs, everything around you starts to be designed like a fucking nightmare, vaginas, penis, fucking, urges, everything starts to be represented in your work without you even realising, any other race would look at you and your surroundings and be scared at how fucked up you are but you just see an office and work space. Science would give way to biological purpose, you are now a walking God, an Engineer, and everything you do becomes spiritual as what else can compare to creating life in your image on the daily. And then one of your baby creations whos only just learned to make a man shape from lego comes to ask you for your eternal life because he is your equal.
From the engineers perspective, in my mind, you would kill every fucker there JUST for the fucking nerve of him thinking that.
Prometheus did have too many problems, but its one of my favorite movies because of what it was asking and the practical effects, the engineer was one of the coolest looking things I have ever seen and such an amazing concept, and how cool Davids concept is with how odd he is compared to everything else surrounding him, imagine throwing that guy into the mix!
And then they pissed it all away with covenant. Female engineers are literally seen at the start of the movie, and david for some reason becomes '-:/generic.villianwithnodepth/no234534'. they literally piss on everything they were trying to build in prometheus which is such a shame :(
*thanks for the gold dudes, alot of interesting theories added to mine in comments I suggest if you like this to read what others have input! :D
if your forgotten basement science experiment gained sentience and came upstairs into your bedroom with requests.
I might actually find that to be pretty cool, to be honest.
Honestly, I've done a lot of research on exactly what went wrong with Prometheus and I'm totally convinced that Ridley Scott simply didn't know how to tell the story he wanted to tell. It's like he had an idea in his head, but didn't have a concise plan of how to put it in the silver screen.
If it had been up to me I would have made it obvious that the engineer in the first scene was not intentionally creating humanity. Instead he'd be performing some sort of ritualistic suicide on what was essentially a barren planet, which would later become Earth. We'd see how the engineer's DNA bonded with basic amino acids in the water to become Earth's first signs of life.
Then throughout the plot we'd see how the engineers returned to Earth millions of years later to find it's become populated by a plethora of flora and fauna, one of which is an intelligent species which looks strangely familiar. At first they find us intriguing because we're basically an accidental bacteria growth in a petri dish, like penicillin. They're scientists by nature, so they take some time to study us. But when they begin to see that we have a skill at developing our own technology and culture they begin to see us as a potential threat to their continued survival and supremacy in the galaxy. They then return to their home planet and determine it was in their best interest to exterminate humanity and cleanse Earth of all life.
To accomplish that task they begin development of a biological weapon which mutates whatever it touches into a violent weaponized form of itself, but something goes wrong and they never take their weapon to Earth. Flash forward thousands of years and the crew of the Prometheus discovers the engineer weapon research laboratory and awake the last remaining engineer.
At first he's confused about where and when he is, but then realizes the little people in front of him are advanced versions of the enemy he was instructed to exterminate. He then reacts violently and tries to take his weapon to Earth, but in the attempt he is knocked out of the sky and infected by one of the weaponized creatures his weapon created. Thus creating the first xenomorph.
There, slight changes bring order to a convoluted story.
EDIT: To those people who don't realize what story Ridley Scott wanted to tell, here is a synopsis of where Ridley wanted to take the Prometheus films if he had his way...
Ridley wanted us to believe the engineers created humanity specifically and intentionally, and that the suicide scene in the beginning was their method of creating life. Then the engineers spent thousands of years guiding our civilization, even going so far as sending a human/engineer hybrid in the form of Jesus Christ. But we ended up executing alien Jesus and that motivated them to destroy us instead.
The problem is that Ridley seems to have gotten this whole plot from a bad episode of Ancient Aliens on the History Channel. Combine that with what seems to be total scientific illiteracy and a gross misunderstanding of the Alien franchise, and you've got quite a convoluted piece of shit story.
A few minor changes to the movie could change it into a decent story which remains in line with the entire franchise, but that would require Ridley to take a step back from his crazy ideas.
I kind of disagree. I think the scene in the movie is much better because it means Wayland doesn't get the answer or any answer to his question which is much more devastating.
Agreed. Even without the deleted scenes the message was kind of already hit perfectly with the line from Shaw's Husband when talking to David
"We made you because we could."
"Can you imagine how disappointing it would be for you, to hear the same thing from your creator?"
In the end the people on the ship looking for 'answers' and meaning' were left with nothing, just like David.
So I kind of really like the Theatrical version where Wayland and Shaw were like "Please give us answers! meaning! life! Purpose!"
And the engineer is like "lawl wtf I thought we killed you, K i got this fam" and proceeds to wack a grandpa with an android head
That explains nothing. All it said was "why are you here?" And "why"?
Th-think about it Mo-urrrrp-orty! A whole army of of of Science experiments! Experiments for BUUURP days! And no one gets any answers!
Guy Pearce in oldface is so distracting. Do we ever see Weyland as a younger man? Why not cast an old man as the old man?
Not sure if it's true but friend said Ridley did interview where he pretty much said the engineers got mad at mankind when they sent Jesus and they kill him.
"We made you because we could."
"you pass butter"
Then throughout the plot we'd see how the engineers returned to Earth millions of years later to find it's become populated by a plethora of flora and fauna, one of which is an intelligent species which looks strangely familiar. They'd return to their home planet and determine it was in their best interest to exterminate humanity and cleanse Earth of all life.
But before we do that, let's leave a star chart cave painting that will lead humans to our weapons manufacturing facility.
I feel like Prometheus is the biggest example in recent years of a film with an incredible concept filled with potential that completely wastes it because the writers can't seem to get their point across. The general outline of the story is amazing but the execution was awful and still makes me angry. I don't even think it's a horrible movie, but it could have been so great that it can't help but feel like a waste.
My question about this is, what did they expect? They seeded earth with their DNA, then life rises up to almost achieve the capabilities of the Engineers. Like duh what were you thinking Engineers?
He's got a fictional TED Talk that was tied to the movie and he's young there. Sounded like they planned more scenes with him younger and it didn't get in.
Hey, a sequel to Prometheus would be a great place to fill in this story... Oh.
I think it clarifies a little about why he just suddenly ripped David's head off.
Guys, Ridley Scott himself clarified a lot of things about what's happening. The gist is that Engineers create life all over the galaxy by disintegrating themselves on DNA level. They probably have a technocratic society where death is not seen as a tragedy and life is not seen as something inherently precious.
Thus our planet was populated. Then we started killing each other en masse and our creators sent one of their own to sort us out. But we crucified this Space Jesus Engineer and they thought "well, fuck it, there's no fixing these idiots, time to start from scratch" and they bred a whole bunch of bio weapons to cleanse our planet of life.
During the incubation period they left some of themselves in cryo sleep to eventually trigger the attack but something went wrong. Maybe there was a war which wiped Engineers out and no one pressed the "wake up" button. We awaken the last engineer and he goes ahead to do his task.
"Ridley Scott: We definitely did, and then we thought it was a little too on the nose. But if you look at it as an “our children are misbehaving down there” scenario, there are moments where it looks like we’ve gone out of control, running around with armor and skirts, which of course would be the Roman Empire. And they were given a long run. A thousand years before their disintegration actually started to happen. And you can say, "Let's send down one more of our emissaries to see if he can stop it." Guess what? They crucified him."
Here's a good breakdown:
"Jizz box!? You're... Alive? And want to know how to live forever?"
I thought it was so ever so lightly hinted at. There was a Xenomorph in the crucifixion pose.
Jesus was a test we failed because we nailed a higher being to a cross. So we had to be wiped out because a race of people that would do that did not need to spread their hate beyond their planet or have the chance to.
Oh my god.
I...I...I think the experiments are...are answering questions Rick.
I think he ripped David's head off to prove that David wasn't as "perfect" as Weyland claimed he was.
search: "Alien: Engineers"
There's a first draft of a script out there with a lot of stuff that has everything you're talking about. The guy who wrote the first draft of Dr. Strange wrote it.
It's not as great as you hoped, but there's so much more to it than the movie held onto. If anything, it's clear Ridley Scott and whatever other producers were involved with hacking and slashing it into whatever visual event he wanted didn't want that story being told.
That said, to answer the person who posted below, there are some very substantive problems with the choices being made in the movie. What you end up with is characters doing things just to do things and often counter to their personalities as written moments earlier. Why would someone responsible for mapping a temple system not check his own maps? Why would a biologist telling everyone not to touch anything weird start touching weird things when his first scene is him saying, "DO NOT TOUCH ANYTHING?" It's aggressively frustrating and understandable why someone is angry watching it -- because it's insulting.
"What is my purpose?"
The part in question for anyone wondering:
Vapor rises from the Sleeper's body.
Let sleeping gods lie?
( scornfully) You were braver before.
The Sleeper wakes. Opens his eyes. Draws an endless breath. Shunts and catheters withdraw from the Sleeper's flesh.
His body cleaves from the table. The machinery opens like a grotesque biomechanical flower. Releases him.
The Sleeper rises from his ancient bed.
The humans back off, terrified. DAVID watches with shining eyes .
The Sleeper towers over them. A giant carved from ivory. A bulky girdle around his hips, seemingly one with his body.
He stares at DAVID and the others . Eyes like black agates .
The soldiers and crew stand warily, guns tracking from DAVID to the Sleeper, uncertain of their ground. Watts is in awe.
The Sleeper speaks. A low rumbling sound. Unintelligible.
Vickers is beside herself with terror. She takes Shepherd's arm. Pulls him silently away. Back into the Navigation Room.
Behind the Sleeper, a raised platform of dark machinery is accessible by one of the Juggernaut's odd curving ramps. The Sleeper ascends - and the ramps' odd design is explained. The ramp comes alive, reaching up with a hundred mechanical arms and lifting him aloft like a sea-god borne by the waves.
Atop the platform the Sleeper moves from one device to the next. Each comes alive: he is a wizard in his own kingdom.
Watts sees haloes of light dancing in the air around him.
But what he learns from his machines does not comfort him. He grows distraught. Keening to himself in near-subsonic tones.
DAVID steps forward.
Calls to the Sleeper in the tongue of the Engineers.
The Sleeper turns in astonishment. He looks down at DAVID and answers in the same tongue. He is angry, accusing. He points at DAVID, at the humans. Tones of accusation.
DAVID cajoles, soothes, pleads.
The Sleeper descends toward DAVID. DAVID spreads his arms in welcome - undeniable emotion on his face. Joy.
The Sleeper lays his hands on DAVID'S head as if blessing him. DAVID is rapturous. The Sleeper speaks a single phrase -and tears DAVID'S head off.
A gout of white artificial blood. DAVID convulses. His severed head emits a strangled sound of heartbreak. His body staggers a few steps, hands groping over its dripping neck.
The Sleeper tosses the head away. Seizes the body by the legs and swings it against the ground like a flail. Again. And again. Horrific power and violence. DAVID'S arms come off.
DAVID'S head tumbles. Caroms off a wall not far from Watts 's hiding place.
Ray rises from behind a stanchion. Snaps his rifle to his shoulder. Fires a burst into the Sleeper's shoulder.
She Sleeper roars - though the wounds are pinpricks to a being of his size. With startling speed be moves to a sarcophagus against the wall. Steps into it.
The sarcophagus comes alive around the Sleeper, outfitting him with a FLIGHT SUIT: the same living suit we've seen bonded to dead Engineers throughout the pyramid.
But this suit is not withered. Its glossy goggle eyes and elephantine breathing tube are functional - bulky apparatuses thickening the Sleeper's chest, back, hips and arms.
The Sleeper steps free of the sarcophagus - and Ray's next burst of gunfire ricochets harmlessly off the Sleeper's armored shoulders and head.
The Sleeper strides out of the chamber.
I must be the only person that likes Prometheus and doesn't really get all the butthurt about ambiguity in the narrative or plot, I tend to enjoy that aspect of sci-fi...
I think he ripped David's head off to kill the man who wants to be immortal (Weyland) with his creation who is kind of immortal. Irony.
This is one of the elements that never made sense to me. Clearly they return at some point to interact with humanity, and there's the obvious notion that something goes wrong -- perhaps they supply us with Jesus and we end up killing him -- but why leave maps back to what is probably a remote base?
It doesn't really explain anything. A better scene, imo, would have been David ignoring Weyland, asking Shaw's questions, and getting a "You were created to be nothing more than a test subject." answer.
No this makes it even worse. The silent understanding of the promethean made the movie much more profound. Hearing him speak and still getting nothing from the conversation only infuriates me more
Wait, the engineers sent Jesus?
Not only did you kill him, you're wearing the murder weapon in miniature around your neck?
Pretty sure the Engineer was just hangry from sleeping so long and he wakes up to a man hitting a woman in the stomach with a gun and an old man pointing at him asking him all these questions.
Probably had to pee really bad as well.
Why would someone responsible for mapping a temple system not check his own maps? Why would a biologist telling everyone not to touch anything weird start touching weird things when his first scene is him saying, "DO NOT TOUCH ANYTHING?"
There are deleted scenes for these as well. The guy making the maps couldn't check his own maps because of an issue with the software on the ship. The biologist touched the creature because he handles similar, but much smaller creatures earlier in the film. Both scenes were deleted which resulted in some confusion for some audiences, but some fanedits add them back to the film and provide the apparently much needed context.
Personally, I was a fan from the start, and those issues didn't really perturb me much. I'm much more frustrated that the sequel looks like it's moving back towards the Alien franchise proper rather than giving us more of Noomi Rapace/Elizabeth Shaw exploring the Engineer's/Space Jockey's home planet(s).
Yeah, welcome to the club pal.
And the engineer flips out after seeing Shaw's cross necklace in the theatrical cut.
It's heavily implied in the film, not sure if it was confirmed outside of it. They mention the last time an engineer came to Earth was around 2000 years ago and IIRC discover humans killed it
Them not getting any answer at all and the Engineer straight up murdering the shit out of them is such a fitting scene.
A fine idea. It would be great if the movie bothered to address it.
Most criticisms I read about Prometheus focus on characters making dumb decisions. I can forgive that because people can be dumb.
My problem with this movie is the lack of clear themes and the Markov chain plot. It feels like a series of scenes very loosely attached to resemble a story without much logic.
Like, someone wanted a scene where they reanimate a disembodied head because it would be creepy body horror or whatever. So they write a scene in which they find a disembodied head. Never mind the fact that the head is 2,000 fucking years old and should be a prune, the scientists' first act is to stick an electrified needle in the head because why the fuck not? That's sciencey, right? Imagine finding a well-preserved Egyptian mummy and immediately trying to revive it with electricity. Of course, because this is a terrible movie, it fucking works. That was the moment it dawned on me that I was watching a bad film.
The movie is full of bizarre non-sequitur logic like this. The sin isn't that the characters in the movie made bad decisions, it's that the writers couldn't think of a way to cobble their plot together, and the bad character decisions are just part of that inability to make something coherent.
Another example of this is how characters don't talk about or react to stuff that just happened in the film. Like, our crew member just became a zombie and we had to torch him. Let's not dwell on it though, on to the next scene!
Perhaps the worst example of this was when Shaw had the alien baby aborted from her stomach. Immediately after this happens, she stumbles down the hall into a chamber where Wayland has just been woken up. They immediately get to work waking up an Engineer while she stands off to the side not saying anything and nobody pays any attention to her. Not once does she blurt out, 'HOLY FUCK EVERYONE I JUST GAVE BIRTH TO A SQUID BABY CAN WE HOLD ON A FUCKING SECOND'. Nope, it's a breathless transition from one scene to the next with absolutely no narrative flow between them. They wanted the alien abortion scene, and they wanted the Wayland/Engineer scene, so they just... put them in there. That's not a 'story'.
The entire movie is like this. From what I've read about Covenant it's basically the same shit.
I was so psyched about Prometheus from the trailer and the marketing clips they released, and that was the biggest disappointment I've had for a movie I was really anticipating. Forgive me if I messed up any details above, I only saw it the one time.
Oh my god
They used them all for the promotional material which is a shame since that's the stuff everyone was psyched about.
Quite probably another planet seeded by Engineers eons ago--except they didn't kill their Christ and evolved into an empathetic, intelligent society.
I just wanna say, that I liked Prometheus when I saw it in theatres. I thought it was a good space movie because space movies are generally either fantastic and amazing or awful and cheesey, but that massive gray area between the two makes for some enjoyable guilty pleasure viewing. At least for me. I feel like I saw Prometheus and understood what was going on and why. I didn't think it was perfect and there were plenty of things that irked me, like Charlize Theron's character's existence and portrayal, but I left the movie theatre feeling pretty stoked. And when I rewatched the Alien franchise I felt like Prometheus paid proper homage to Alien and added mythos which we didn't really have from the films. And then I heard people talking shit and saying what an awful movie it was and I was like that person at the party who laughs at a joke they don't get, but not because they're afraid to say they don't get it, but because they think they should get it and are quietly waiting for it make sense to them. Like... did we watch the same movie?? And I try to read comments to figure out where it's issues lie but I guess I'm just having a hard time with it because I still don't get it. So I don't mind saying I'm someone who likes Prometheus, I like what I like and sometimes that means I like bad movies. But usually I know when or why a movie is bad and I don't need to defend it. It's enough for me that I find enjoyment when I rewatch it. But I'd like to understand where everyone is coming from on this. So if someone could help me out, I'd really appreciate it !
Shut the fuck up, Morty! You know what, Morty? Morty, this isn't just some science class experiment, Morty! I mean, it is but this is real life, Morty. Real life! Things have to be done in real life...
BREAKS NECK OF SENTIENT SCIENCE EXPERIMENT
Aw geez, Rick, what've you done?!
Real life is full of mistakes and consequences, Morty. You know all about that, right? You were a mistake. Your mother won't tell you that but believe me, Morty, I told her to break your neck long ago...
BREAKS THE NECK OF LAST SENTIENT SCIENCE EXPERIMENT
Thanks for the responses. I've only seen Prometheus once and it has many oft-discussed flaws, but the one that really took me out of it was a 40 y.o. cast as an 80 y.o. for no reason. Like, it's absurd. Imagine if the whole cast was that way. Charlize Theron is replaced by Dakota Fanning on stilts and forget Idris Elba, give me Morgan Freeman with some black hair-dye and CGI biceps. To me, it's the worst part.
I think if jizz box came to life it would just say "kill me."
Plot twist: you were the only one in the cinema.
i think he ripped his head off just to eradicate everybody in the room. Killing him isnt the interesting part to me. its the pause and the head pet thing he did before he killed him. I think it confirmed to the engineer why the humans needed to be wiped out in the first place. what david is to the humans the humans are to the engineers. So i think it gave him pause to see his creation's creation which is exactly what the engineers tried to do and realized it was a mistake. Its like the rick and morty car battery episode where rick makes a civilization to charge his battery but then they end up making a civilization to charge their shit. Rick figured out how to get things working again but in this movie Rick(the engineers) just tried to throw away the battery instead.
People understand that wrong actually. 42 is NOT the direct answer to the meaning of life etc. It's the answer to "The Ultimate Question of Life, The Universe, and Everything". But as the computer pointed out, they don't know what the question even is.
That sounds worse and much more expensive. Good producing.
Good just makes the movie more stupid. Humanity in the film, arguably several hundred years more advanced than we are now, would be steam rolled by an army of the Engineers with conventional (i.e. non-bioengineered) weaponry. Weaponry that is, at the time of the film, two thousand years out of date.
During Roman times, if we were that bad, why go to the trouble of creating this super nano-plague? Literally just dropping rocks from orbit would have wiped us out. Hell, dropping rocks from orbit would wipe us out now with little to no chance at retailiation. Another benefit of this strategy is that rock don't escape containment and murder everything.
Even if that were a correct reading of the situation, it still doesn't answer anything. Why are we a disease and if we are, why were we created? The whole movie thinks it's some deep cerebral masterpiece. It's really not, it's all surface level crap; there's a big difference between creating mystery and just leaving basic plot points out.
I assumed that a rogue Engineer did that, but most of my head-canon is just an ad hoc attempt to make sense of Ridley's (or Lindelof's) story, fleshed out with mythology about the Greek Prometheus.
This doesn't explain anything...
there are NO women (even thought they revert this in covenant)
I don't think the inhabitants of that planet are engineers. They are the same size as humans, have different eyes and other different facial features to the ones we have seen.
Edit: Well apparently I am wrong about this https://www.reddit.com/sub/movies/comments/6brkkf/a_deleted_scene_from_prometheus_that_everyone/d...
There was also something about 2000 years ago the engineers prepped to wipe out earth. In line with the crucifixion
Perhaps all the answers reside in the original script.
Here's the ultimate problem with Fiefield and Millburn and why their actions make no sense at all:
Even if the ship's software was keeping Fiefield from being able to check his own maps, the MAP WAS ON THE FUCKING DISPLAY WHILE THE CAPTAIN TALKED TO THEM. Not only that, but their very positions were clearly shown inside the holographic map that the captain had access too. Why the fuck did he not just tell them where to go? The the fuck did neither character inside the ship tell the captain to tell them where to go?
I actually enjoyed Prometheus a lot. But those two characters and the decisions they make are of the most cliche and moronic of any movie I've ever seen. They. Made. No. Sense.
The black goo can create Xenomorphs from humans (the aliens from the Alien movies) and the Engineers view them as an incredibly powerful and beautiful species, as displayed by the xenomorph queen in the mural in the head room in Prometheus. They wanted to drop the black goo on the humans and create xenomorphs.
Yeah seriously. I'm reading all this stuff about the movie that sounds super cool and interesting and it's all "in an interview" or "deleted scene". Wtf. Sounds like they cut out all the interesting story elements to give us a crap action movie.
Except OP didn't hire Damon Lindelof to completely screw up the logic, and science, and then add Jesus into it for some reason.
So it didn't suck.
It also reminds me of Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy. They built a giant computing machine that took thousands of years to answer "what is the meaning of life?" Finally when the day came where it finished computing the answer, thousands of years later, the answer is 42.
It's a slap in the face but it's also genius. It's not some deep meaningful answer, it's just an answer. It doesn't create an impactful meaning for humanity, it just poses more questions.
The movie had that same effect on me (in a less humourous tone of course) that maybe there is no big answer to the mysterious questions of life. Maybe it just keeps going. Someone else created the engineers and someone created those and so on and so forth, like layers of an onion.
It almost suggest that we make our own meaning. The Prometheus crew created meaning and created purpose by trying to find the answers. Dunno. I disliked Prometheus when I first saw it and then truly appreciated it (excluding a few dumb scenes).
a film with an incredible concept
that completely wastes it
because the writers can't seem to get their point across
The general outline of the story is amazing
the execution was awful
and still makes me angry
it could have been so great
it can't help but feel like a waste
Ridley Scott has been involved in many critically acclaimed things: Alien, Blade Runner, the famous 1984 superbowl ad for Apple, Thelma & Louise, Gladiator, Black Hawk Down, The Martian, American Gangster, and Hannibal.
Damon Lindelof is basically single-handedly responsible for the shit show that was Lost, having written more episodes than any other writer.
The Hollywood hype machine loves Lindelof because his overcomplicated, poorly thought out, an uninspired storylines commonly create more questions than answers in the moviegoers'/TV series-watchers minds, and that makes it easier to do spinoffs, sequels, prequels, etc.
Whenever I find out he's involved in a project I warn people off of it because I know it's gonna be shitty, and Prometheus was no exception.
Luckily he's not (yet) involved in Alien: Covenant, so I'm still hopeful about that.
Edit: Hannibal wasn't apparently that good.
I remember Lindelof saying he was super pissed because midichlorians ruined the magic of The Force. That they provided an "answer" to something that didn't need an answer. He was right, but he took the wrong thing away from it, and I feel like his point on Star Wars is insight into why he infuriatingly leaves plot details up in the air. My point is this: this Promethius shitshow is all George Lucas' fault.
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Best summary I've ever read
This part doesn't add up to me. They're clearly an advanced race, with thousands of years of technology. They could literally just show up in force and take humans out. "Hey so, Jim, what's our strategy for dealing with those racist tiny engineers we made?" "Let's make this black goo that turns anything it touches into a mutant monster and put it into these leaky barrels. We'll ship it off to Earth as soon as we... Oh shit I just touched some." "Jim, fuck! Why didn't we just shoot a bomb at them? Oh god, what's coming out of your face?" I don't understand how wanting to kill humans translates into building space slime that puts your entire colony at risk. Shitty engineering, engineers. I don't think the black goo was meant to get RID of humans but rather it was not meant to be used on beings other than them. I think another lifeform got onto the engineers' colony and when it came into contact with black goo, they got fucked. I mean, what would a room full of the black goo really do? To EARTH? Billions of people, lots of weapons and military and a few barrels of black goo turn a few thousand people into... What exactly? The engineers can't possibly know what the black goo will do because it seems to do different shit to different people.
Yea, almost like an entire species isn't in complete agreement on what to do. It would make it way more real and relatable.
When i saw Prometheus in the cinema, toward the end i turned to the closest stranger and asked "Is the point here that all life is a virus?" He didn't know, and i was too high to know why i had even wondered.
No sense wasting an entire planets worth of biomass.
I assumed that a rogue Engineer did tha
That could have been even better. Perhaps there were different factions so that it could have been members of the first one's faction that were proponent to continuing the experiment and left the map as a final test of humanity's worth.
My problem with all of this is that all life on earth has a common ancestor. If we're saying that the Engineers are that common ancestor, it seems really fucking weird that there's billions of years of life before humans, none of which resemble the Engineers in any way. Mammals only rise because of evolutionary advantages following a mass extinction event and then after all of this random evolution and chance we finally just so happen to evolve into something that has the exact same genetic structure as the engineer that committed suicide three billion years ago.
Oh, and for an alien culture that has survived for at least three billion years, they sure haven't advanced much. Humans pretty much catch up to their level of technology in a few hundred, and for some reason throughout all that time they also don't evolve or change in any way.
The whole concept can only be reconciled if you know basically nothing about biology or evolution or science in general.
If you wake me up and want to start asking tough questions about eternal life and some shit you better get me a cup of coffee and wait until I've finished it.
Does it have to lead here every FUCKING time?
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Well damn, son, you were born for this.
You know, as I read through the comments here, the theories and explanations for the story of this movie, it occurs to me that most of them are based on a belief that what's said in the movie is true and correct. But an interesting thing happens if you assume otherwise.
First, it's Shaw's belief that the cave painting is an invitation. What if she's wrong? What if it wasn't left behind by the Engineers at all? Like ancient astronaut theories that suppose ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs depict aliens as told by humans who encountered them, what if the cave painting was done by HUMANS based on interactions with Engineers who came back to check on their progress? After all, nothing in the movie actually supports that painting was an invitation or drawn by the Engineers. It's just Shaw's theory. I'd argue it's harder to believe the Engineers left it than humans, and not as an invitation but just as a recording of information they got. Imagine an Engineer taking to early humans. He describes where he's from... why wouldn't he? After all, humans can't go there. But they can draw it, as a tribute to the gods from the sky, like many ancient cave paintings we find in real life depict things ancient humans found important.
Second, a major assumption is made by Shaw and Captain Stringer Bell that the black goo is a weapon. But what if that's wrong? They really have no evidence that it's a weapon other than "I've seen stuff like this before and I've got a bad feeling about it". That's pretty thin, no? If it's NOT a weapon though then, for one thing, the Xenomorph mural on the wall might make sense: what if the Engineers revere that form? What if they see it as the perfect biological entity? That would make for a nice connection back to the original Alien when Bishop notes that it's a perfect entity as well.
Taking that thought further, if it's not a weapon and they revere that form, why might they have been going to Earth? To destroy humanity? I don't think so. As Shaw says, why would the want to destroy their creation? No, I think their whole purpose was to create Xenomorphs. Their plan was to go to Earth, find humans evolved to a certain extent where they were ready to be hosts and would result in the desired Xenomorph form. Instead, the goo got lose on the ship and they died before they could come to Earth, which allowed us to evolve further than we were supposed to.
So, what does the one surviving Engineer find upon being awakened? He finds an advanced, space-faring species. A species his people created but didn't intend to let evolve that far.
A species that, most critically, has created life in their own image in the form of David.
Now, think about this for a minute... you're an Engineer. You create life. That's your deal. Perfect life in fact. You are a GOD basically, and creating life is the purview solely of a god. Your shit don't stink and you damned well know it! But now, you discover that one of your creations has evolved way beyond what they were supposed to have... so far in fact that they themselves have created life, and arguably even more "perfect" life than the Xenomorphs.
Your creation is treading on YOUR turf!!
How f'ing DARE these upstart humans! How DARE they create life! That's something reserved for us GODS! And on top of that, this one really obnoxious one wantz to live FOREVER and REALLY be a god like us?!
F**K THAT NOISE!
Think you might be pissed about that, especially if you've got an ego? I think so. Pissed enough to rip an Android's head off and try to kill all these f'ing humans and then go take care of business on Earth?
I think so.
I also think this now makes the title Prometheus make sense. I remember early on before it came out people were theorizing what the title meant. There was talk of humanity stealing something from the "gods", as Prometheus stole fire, and we get our assess handed to us for our troubles. But in the end, it's just the name of the ship?! I don't think so. I think the intention was that we DID steal fire, in essence, in the form of creating life. And, like I said, the gods are angry at us for it, at least the one that was left.
If you watch the Engineer scene with this new view in mind I actually think his actions suddenly make PERFECT sense. It also I think explains why they were going to Earth, why they had the black goo with them and why both the cave painting and wall mural in the goo room were what they were. Really, I think the whole thing becomes kind of beautifully self-consistent simply by assuming that Shaw and the captain were wrong about two key things, two things that there's really no evidence for them being right about in the movie anyway.
Sure, there's still the whole problem of the seeding at the beginning, but when that's the only problem left it doesn't seem so bad at all and easy to just hand-wave away.
who is this, everyone?
I think he ripped his head off because a bunch of drama queens ripped the guy from his sleep and didn't even offer him a coffee or a nice breakfast before assaulting him with their petty questions. It's worshipping 101. You make the sacrifice before you start asking for shit.
Wait. . . . Damon Lindelof was involved? The same guy that drove Lost off a cliff with nonsense that had no resolution and a cop-out ending? The same guy that ruined the fantastic promise of Tomorrowland with a plot that basically made no sense? The same guy that took the brilliant concept of cowboys fighting aliens and turned it into a mess of a story that was almost unwatchable?
Someone needs to petition to get this guy a cushy job somewhere, anywhere, away from the movie and TV business.
I remember having high hopes for Prometheus. It's still one of the most beautiful looking movies in the last few years, but it's so dumb. Lindeloff is a really bad writer.
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JESUS MARIE! THEY ARE MINERALS.
Yeah welcome to the club pal
Thus our planet was populated. Then we started killing each other en masse and our creators sent one of their own to sort us out. But we crucified this Space Jesus Engineer and they thought "well, fuck it, there's no fixing these idiots, time to start from scratch" and they bred a whole bunch of bio weapons to cleanse our planet of life.
No...Ridley Scott has said that while this was the original intention for the movie, this is not the direction they ended up going in.
Just saw the Covenant. Waste of money, and I had free tickets :/
Honestly I can't stand when people make excuses for shitty writing and create all these answers to otherwise inexplicable actions by characters.
It's so annoying! This is one of those things for me i guess.
Even then, if you're restricted to bio warfare because of your tech what is a more logical way to address an enemy?Make them into a hyper violent weaponized form of themselves. Make them dead.
If you can make Alien virus you can make a plague.
What's so meta, and why the choice Scott made is so genius, is that everyone who is dissatisfied with the non-communicating engineer ending is troubled in the EXACT same way that Waylan is. They are feeling, directly, the disappointment of a greedy old man with unrealistic and selfish expectations.
When you give into high expectations or let a desire run wild without reason, you are only setting yourself up for a massive disappointment.
There was (is?) never any reason to believe that our creators would have had any purpose for us beyond our mere existence.
To accomplish that task they begin development of a biological weapon which mutates whatever it touches into a violent weaponized form of itself, but something goes wrong and they never take their weapon to Earth
There has got to be SO many easier ways to accomplish this that it borders (and in fact crosses) into the rediculous
Love this. I'm going to personally follow this as my main theory.
In this Universe Ridley has created, I think plenty of it comes down to what you believe, given the limited evidence we know of.
I don't get it. This is exactly the same plot as the original storyline.
It is a prequel to Alien, though it doesn't really lead directly into it. Both movies do take place in the same universe— the old guy in Prometheus was the founder of the company that the 'truckers' in Alien work for. Even after his death the company is on the lookout for alien life, so the crew in Alien get diverted from their mining/towing mission to check out a ship like the one in Prometheus. In both movies the dormant alien ships already have (mostly) dead crews and some sort of alien biological weapon stored in them.
I don't know exactly what Ridley Scott was trying to say. It's a speculative sci-fi horror movie where humans go looking for their creator and things go horribly wrong. We see David, a creation of humans, kind of turn against his creators, and we see the 'Engineers,' humanity's creators, have no regard for humanity at all. I imagine this was meant to be sort of spiritually horrifying, and we were supposed to be horrified on behalf of the optimistic, religious Shaw, who went on the mission with such high hopes and then has everything bad happen to her.
But I also didn't understand why a lot of decisions were made. It's not because you're stupid, it wasn't a well-made movie. I've watched/read long analysis articles that supposedly reveal greater significance, and there's some good stuff there but it definitely doesn't save the movie.
Now Ridley Scott has made another one, Alien: Covenant, that is a sequel to Prometheus (it features the return of David) while still taking place before Alien, but I'm not going to watch it in theaters because I don't expect it to be good.
don't know if hitting her was what did it, his temperament seemed like he was just a dick anyway
jesus that helped me so much. thanks
My understanding is that we were created for shits and giggles, kinda like when you were at a restaurant as a kid, and would mix all the leftovers together. We were considered a disease because the engineers sent Jesus to help guide us, and we know how that ended. They decided we were a failed experiment, and decided to clean the slate.
Am I the only one who thinks that this was quite obvious to begin with, and that the movie was meant to be ambiguous/filled with religious philosophy.
What I got from it the first time was that Aliens created life on earth in their own image, e.g Bipedal, humanoid, i.e they're god (speaks for itself).
Humans turn out to be horrible, need to be destroyed (day of reckoning, the big flood)
Weyland represents everything bad about humans, greed, corruption, gluttony etc.
Shaw is represents the good, curiosity, innocence, etc.
I thought it was an extremely simple and an obvious concept.
So an engineer suicided himself to seed a planet for a shits and giggles experiment? Doesn't work.
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Because Ridley Scott didn't want to make the movie in the script. He's notorious for liking an idea and then wanting to do something completely different. He's almost always a producer, so he gets to make the calls on what script the film ends up with. Robin Hood notoriously abandoned everything about Robin Hood in the first scripts to focus on Scott's obsession with medieval archery.
Sure, but according to the lore of the Alien franchise the engineers' technology is based on manipulating biological matter, which mean cloning and such. That's why they create biological weapons rather than simply creating conventional ones to bomb their enemies into submission.
not really. Usually the rage comments are self contained where as the reference comments start a rick and morty comment train.
Let's not dilute movie hate with facts.
I mean it's a ripoff of At the Mountains of Madness by HP Lovecraft. So much so that Guillermo Del Toro cancelled his film after Prometheus released.
I have always chalked it up to Fiefield and Millburn generally being terrible in their respective fields. Anyone important wasn't going to sign on for a roughly 10 year round trip that probably had all kinds of NDAs and such associated with it. Given the ultimately the mission wasn't about Holloway and Shaw's findings, but getting Weyland to the Engineers I figured they just hired the lowest bidders. Fiefield had built a bong into his suit somehow and Millburn was twitchy and overexcitable. They were both completely 2 dimensional characters but to me at least their 2D motivations made sense in context. The only thing I didn't really like was mutant Fiefield and even that was due to poor explanation of the mutagenic properties of the goo. The meal worms that mutated into vagina cobras didn't have a clear origin, were they from inside the room or brought in on a boot? Part of me has always felt that David's boot had a pocket they were dropped from as he seemed to have some insight into what might happen with all that stuff but it's never explained at all.
Exactly. Why jump through all these hoops when you can just Space Anthrax the fucker?
Movies.com: We had heard it was scripted that the Engineers were targeting our planet for destruction because we had crucified one of their representatives, and that Jesus Christ might have been an alien. Was that ever considered?
Ridley Scott: We definitely did, and then we thought it was a little too on the nose. But if you look at it as an “our children are misbehaving down there” scenario, there are moments where it looks like we’ve gone out of control, running around with armor and skirts, which of course would be the Roman Empire. And they were given a long run. A thousand years before their disintegration actually started to happen. And you can say, "Let's send down one more of our emissaries to see if he can stop it." Guess what? They crucified him.
Cabin in the Woods: Outer Space.
Cabin in the Woods is a masterpiece. You devalue the quality of the film by using a comparison like that.
Thus creating the first xenomorph.
My one problem with most of plot explanations for this film is that they always miss the fact that we see a xenomorph cave-painting in the temple; they existed prior to the events of the film.
I have always been under the impression that the Black Goo was derived from the xenomorph, rather than the origin of it.
It doesn't really change anything, but I think it's an important detail that's often overlooked.
The movie's name is Prometheus, and starts with an engineer doing an unsanctioned experiment that seeds life into Earth. Prometheus stole fire from the gods, like the engineer with the genetic material, giving humanity the power to do as the gods did.
Then, mankind eventually shows up at the doorstep of the gods with their own creation; and the gods already were nearly wiped out to extinction by what they'd done, so weren't going to suffer this new incursion.
I think ultimately here the message of the engineer is that humanity was a mistake all along, and they were never meant to have the same power as their creators. When David asked why he was made, and the only answer he got was because we could, I think what they were inferring was that the power of creation was something we essentially took from the gods and used to emulate them, with no idea how to control it or the ramifications of doing so.