47.9% would back a United Ireland in the event of a 'hard Brexit

47.9% would back a United Ireland in the event of a 'hard Brexit

That's nothing - 48.1% of the UK backed staying in the EU.

all Hail prime minister Cameron ! Unifier of Ireland and liberator of Scotland !

If 47.9% back a united Ireland, that doesn't mean that 52.1% oppose a united Ireland.

I'm Irish and I never want to see a United Ireland unless at least >75℅ vote in favor.

Annexing a territory in which nearly 50℅ of people want to be British and which has a history of violent ethnic conflict is a bad idea.

At least 15%+ are “don’t know”

First of his name.

Father of piglets.

"What's Ireland?"

About to wake up a sleeping dog as it seems...

a right proper lad

Annexing a territory in which nearly 50℅ of people want to be British and which has a history of violent ethnic conflict is a bad idea.

Would still be a democratic annexation - in the event of a referendum about it, agreed by both states - and the power dynamics would change - Northern Ireland wouldn't just be "annexed" by Ireland, it would also be voluntarily abandoned by the UK.

I'd fully support a statue of Cameron in an independent Scotland.

Just for the trolling value alone...

We can joke about this but people have died in the not so distant past over this conflict. We should be careful.

Breaker of governments

It's a great answer.

Unfortunately it would not solve the problem of a very angry loyalist minority that would remain - and I suspect they wouldn't go down without picking a fight. I think any talk of unification has to recognise this, it will not likely happen without at least some degree of violence flaring up.

Scotland also voted to stay in the EU.

My dad was born abroad to gæltacht ira parents who left during the troubles.

My mom is a protestant of english derivation and education.

My fathers parents cursed at me in irish as a kid for being "half protestant".

People are dicks and use this as an excuse, if people werent assholes it'd just be a referendum vote.

I can make fun of assholes.

Edited to de-fuck a sentence.

Yeah, but looking at Northern Ireland's history, reunification wouldn't be wise unless there was a big and stable majority in favor of it. If it reunited with, say, 52% of the votes in favour, that percentage could easily be reversed in less than a decade.

I mean, they all agreed that the standard would be 50%+1 when they voted to approve the Good Friday agreement.

Come on then, who fancies a fight today?

The PM who lost Ireland

Must be something about that name

That comment doesn't seem anti UK in the slightest...

I suspect they wouldn't go down without picking a fight.

Well that is why Northern Ireland exists in a first place.... (and ourselves in the Republic too).

Tbh I always thought this be an obvious thing to think about. Does it not seem a good answer to the problem?

:/

You say that every time a United Ireland is mentioned and it's extremely cowardly that you would oppose Irish people being democratically freed from that hellhole. Your argument is evidence of why a United Ireland needs to happen sooner.

You’re confusing unionist and loyalist. You can be a unionist (vote DUP) without being a loyalist (scrawling “taigs out” on a wall).

Loyalists, like republicans, are very much in the minority.

right proper

Occupied country

Only a minority if all of the don't knows go to maintaining the union, which is unlikely.

With or without pig?

Always with pig.

Was 55.8% vs 44.2%, a much bigger margin than the national result.

Edit: But Scotland was even bigger, 62% for remain and 38% for leave.

Anyone got a link to the study rather than just quotes?

Tiocfaidh ár lá, cunts.

and winds

Estonia can into Ireland.

I've always found it interesting when people bring up trade between Northern Ireland and Great Britain. I've heard unionist saying they export more to Great Britain than any other country, I understand what they mean but how can you export within a single country it's like saying Cornwall exports most of it's clotted cream to Dorset or North Holland's biggest trading partner is Utrecht.

All we have to do is follow the Good Friday Agreement.

We don't need to worry about what any of us feel is the right think for NI because NI always has the option, under the GFA, to vote to become part of Ireland.

I mean ... de facto it was.

Genuine question, what do you think the status of Irish sovereignty was in relation to the UK before Irish independence?

That would make "Losing Ireland" a valid description for its occupier losing control over the country, IMO.

For fucks sake...

Lost Ireland from the UK, as in Ireland was part of the UK, it was then no longer part of the UK. In the same way the history books may say the UK was lost from the EU. It just flowed a bit nicer than "The man who was Prime Minister during the events leading up to and including the Irish declaration of independence from the United Kingdom"

The British love Ireland and the Irish overall, with the exception of the small minority that walk around with a chip on their shoulder always looking for an argument about it.

Keeping a country apart in which more than 50% of the population want to unify is undemocratic. Not to mention pathetic that you'd be happy with splitting your own nation, even if the majority want to join.

No, but it means we have the right to another referendum now that the situation has changed. Don't pretend you don't remember that one of the main points of the remain campaign was that staying in the UK was the only was we could stay in the EU. Look how that worked out.

David Lloyd George

He's pointing out hypocrisy.

I can make fun of assholes.

I literally said:

We can joke about this

There's just a lack of serious debate here. I wasn't trying to attack you personally or anything.

There are a lot of European countries who would dispute your definition of country.

45% Stay in UK

6% Undecided

0.7% wouldn't vote

https://mobile.twitter.com/conorhdfm/status/938754459353657344/photo/1

you underestimate the irish will to unify. its not about money, its about uniting our island

No one blames the Irish for holding at least some level of grievance over it.

It's whipping it out over tiny things like a Brit saying the UK lost Ireland that pisses us off.

they say in the article that 48% was the majority tho, but they dont specify what the other options in the poll were

"Isn't that part of the British Isles?"

Hahaha what? I'm left wing, Irish nationalism has nothing to do with what side of the spectrum you are on.

He wants to keep the country split even if a majority want unification. He's against the GFA then, hed be the one in support of an occupation against the wish of the majority.

If it reunited with, say, 52% of the votes in favour, that percentage could easily be reversed in less than a decade.

Hi, Norn Irishman here - not a chance in hell. The demographics simply do not work that way.

*Ireland and Northern Ireland. A third of Ulster is in Ireland, in fact, the most Northerly part of Ulster is in Ireland, Northern Ireland is south of that part of Ireland ..

N.I is in Ulster. It's not Ulster itself.

This is Ulster

Donegal, Cavan, and Monaghan are in Ulster for example, but not in Northern Ireland.

N.I is in Ulster. It's not Ulster itself.

Donegal, Cavan, and Monaghan are in Ulster for example, but not in Northern Ireland.

Well, May isn't in much of a strong position as it is. Per GFA if there is substantial support for United Ireland in polls, and any of the Unionst or Republican parties call for such referendum, British government must grant that request.

But May already hinges on violation of GFA thanks to her collusion with DUP and therefore nuking British status as neutral party in Unionists - Republicans conflict.

Sinn Fein is probably now buying their time, but if they will see hard borders going up, I seriously doubt they won't invoke GFA and call for British gov to immediately call referendum.

More with the EU. However, a lot of that trade apparently runs through Britain, so no country in the EU will be hurt more by Brexit than Ireland. Either way, raising trade barriers with your biggest partner will cause a lot of disruption.

I mean, that's legitimately what it was. We were ungovernable and got a much worse stereotype for it from the bitter Brits than, say, the Scots did. There was an Irish rebellion every 20 years or so for pretty much the entire stretch of British rule in Ireland.

Here's the actual question and results

https://mobile.twitter.com/conorhdfm/status/938754459353657344

Didn't matter though,

It did to the Scots.

That number would probably be much higher in England.

Sure, under normal circumstances. But this is Brexit. If Brexit means Brexit (yet to be seen), Northern Irish will be glad to be inside the EU on the long run.

I don't think they would be given another vote after unification! But you're right to warn about the dangers of a slim majority.

I'm well aware what my country is called - but it's clearer what I'm referring to in the context of NI & Ireland. With terms like Rip-Off Republic and the ROI soccer team it's not like we never use the term.

I'm an online commentator not an official government spokesperson.

Minority? Ha. Why do you think the DUP and the UUP have the majority of the votes...

I think that's the alternative name of Pygmy Britain

Democracy had little to do with splitting us off from the Free State 100 years ago, nor the treatment of us Catholic/Nationalists for the past 100 years.

And UK putting up border fences again between Eire and Ulster won't piss off some other people? They had a good solution now, but Brexit itself is threatening to undo decades of work towards peace in N-I.

Worked great for israel/palestine... (/s)

without at least some degree of violence flaring up.

Q: is there any possible solution to Brexit+border problem that won't flare up some degree of violence ?

You sound mad.

Definitely with.

Fair point.

Looking at demographics, it's likely that this 48% will only increase. Ires get more children than Unionists.

I agree - although I would consider support 65% and over. These constant polls are a bit tiring - we're not seeing substantial change form the Unionist backgrounds which is necessary for a peaceful transition.

Not to mention a lot of those from Nationalist backgrounds often don't vote for a UI in these polls.

Send him to the bad place (and by bad place I mean England)

It's fine so long as it's a clear majority that isn't likely to fall below 50% if things go sour. Like 60%+ is fine. But any irreversible move against the status quo where the % difference is less than 10-15% is a massive headache.

So should NI only remain part of the UK if 75% or more people want that?

Ah sure, we've quite a few orange buffoons of our own that would cause a fuss if Ireland was united!

that percentage could easily be reversed in less than a decade.

There's no such thing. Once United Ireland is formed, there's nothing in GFA that could bring NI back to UK.

And I don't see why 51% of people who want to live in a United Ireland should be forced to live in UK just because the margin is low.

Likewise :)

Yea and like you're any different lol. You're people had hardly even heard of the DUP before all this crap. You have no idea about our country and you have absolutely no moral high ground.

Support for a united Ireland before all this crap wasn't even 48% for JUST catholics, now it's 48% for the whole fucking country, protestant and catholic. They did know what they were talking about because a UI is now more likely than ever. All I can say is thank you for your country's complete and utter incompetence and stupidity because our island may finally be reunited.

It's nice to hear about democratic unifications after all the noise made by the secessionist movements.

The name "Great Britain" actually does come from being the "larger" Britain - it's larger than Brittany.

That's right, Great British Public. It doesn't mean you're wonderful. It means your island is bigger than a part of France.

there's nothing in those submissions that are anti-uk

anti hard brexit/uk government sure but those are not the same thing.

The British love Ireland and the Irish overall, with the exception of the small minority that walk around with a chip on their shoulder always looking for an argument about it.

Some of the English seem to have a very weird view about this. Your actions shaped our country. We don't "have a chip on our shoulders"; our views are reflecting reality. That's like saying that the English have a chip on their shoulder about World War 2.

What happened guys?

They didn't know what the hell they were talking about, which is about standard for Reddit when it comes to discussing Scottish and Northern Irish politics.

It's just making it clear that he's talking about the country rather than the island, no need to get wound up over every little thing.

What's worse, the British government pushing for Brexit (against our will) is in bed with an ultra far-right Unionist party which happily discriminates against the Catholic/Nationalist half of the country and would eagerly see a breakdown of the GFA specifically because it enfranchised Paddy and his barbaric ways. It really is a truly untenable situation - I hope nobody is looking at the current status in the UK and think it's even remotely viable.

/u/Blussy96 is an anti-Irish bigot. The dude's post history is riddled with him specifically picking at us.

Considering he's only 20 he must still be getting bullied in the playground by a big ginger kid.

I don’t want to have to see guard towers over the hills at the border ever again. I’m in the Republic and I don’t want a United Ireland if the North would go into chaos over it, I support it if the majority in the North does too.

Northern Ireland still trades far more with Great Britain than with Ireland, so it's not a great solution from an economic point of view.

Link Think that may be the October one though. I don't believe the new one is on their website yet as it was just mentioned this morning.

Bit of a big increase from October though.

Maybe you're the one underestimating the will not to unify, included is most of Northern Ireland.

’m in the Republic and I don’t want a United Ireland if the North would go into chaos over it, I support it if the majority in the North does too.

If there's a vote, it's chaos either way. If it passes and it's reintegrated, the Loyalists will go nuts. If it passes and the threat of Loyalist violence is enough to stop it, the Republicans will go nuts. If they try to repartition it, it'll just be ethnic cleansing galore on both sides of the aisle

Yeah, soft brexit. Unless you're worried about violence from these guys.

Yeah, soft brexit. Unless you're worried about violence from