Giving Fox way too much credit. As if they were 'doing the right thing'
...O'Reilly was fired for losing advertisers.
This is the real answer otherwise he would have been fired sometime in the last couple decades of abuse
O'Reilly's sponsors cared that we care. Trump's sponsors don't care.
I still can't believe this issue just kinda went away in the public eye even though nothing was resolved. It's like there's an expiration date on how long people are shocked by stuff, then suddenly it doesn't matter anymore.
So, do you think the US lost some advertisers because of Trump?
But her emails... /s
You know it's sarcasm because he correctly used beholden
To be clear - O'Reilly is being fired because his actions caused the network to lose ad revenue, not because of the actions themselves.
but trump is a self-made billionaire and is not beholden to any sponsors or donators!!!
fellow Canuck here. Agreed. My wife and kids and I like to pop over once or twice a year for shopping etc, but we're thinking of waiting now...for, like, 4 years or so.
for the people who care, there's too much shocking stuff to keep up with.
for the others, they find a way to justify it anyway.
That trend is going to continue. I know a lot of Canadians (myself included) that have nixed plans for crossing the border in the near future. I already hated CBP, and shit just seems too crazy at the moment.
I remain convinced that Trump is the GOP's Excuse goat for the next couple decades. Push all the horrible, rich-benefiting, public-detrimental crap they can while Trump is prez, then as soon as the push-back gets strong enough that they can't get anything more through, they go 'Oh, right, Trump bad', impeach him, roll Pence into office, then spend the next two decades going 'But Trump!' every time people call them out.
Well then do you mind if the rest of us come up and stay with you for like, 4 years or so?
You'll have to go through initiation if you're going to stay that long. This includes:
1) Dousing yourself in maple syrup
2) Soaking in a hot tub full of Tim Horton's double double coffee
3) Watching 2 Canadian teams play each other whilst yelling at the TV
Trump will be fired when the GOP loses enough voters. 20 points in Kansas and 10 in Georgia might be putting a scare into 'em.
Please let this be /s?
You never can tell.
and... and... Bill got a blowjob!
convincing the world he doesn't exist?
ah so 0
"They let you do it"
Sounds like consent to me. Being a billionaire I'm pretty positive most women threw themselves at him.
Well, the problem here is the public put pressure on Advertisers, who told Fox, ditch bill or we leave. What advertisers can we pressure to fire Trump?
Raping the 13-year-old girl.
Oh, shit, but he killed a bunch of children in Yemen. That one is worse.
Hot as a 3pm pot of dark roast at some rest stop on the Trans-Can. So...tepid.
The difference is Bill Orally was actually guilty and is paying 13 million.
How many guilty verdicts does trump have for sexual assault?
...how hot is the coffee?
I can handle the rest.
Something, something, outrage fatigue.
It wasn't a comedic act or staged. Just listen to it. You want that guy alone with your sister or daughter?
Edit: LOL. Welcome DJT brigade.
Well most of those 17 women probably lied and are just say it to whore attention
Cons don't care. Their morals are skin deep. It only matters so long as they aren't in charge. I used to respect conservatives, but now they don't voice their opposition to scumbags like this, so they obviously support him.
Well, Bill probably did force himself on some women. It's not like he was a saint except for that one blowjob. I think a reasonable response is to condemn it from Bill too.
After all, the entire reason some Republicans bring that up is to watch a Democrat defend Clinton and then say that it's no different from Trump is accused of -- thus simultaneously labeling Democrats hypocrites and shielding Trump from further scrutiny on this topic.
Can we agree on the worst thing Trump has ever done?
Holy shit what an awful opinion. We heard the whole conversation, how much context do you need exactly? There's plenty of additional context suggesting he's been sexually assaulting women and being a general fucking creep for decades. If you find all that meaningless, like his supporters, it's probably because you're a stupid piece of shit.
I'm pretty sure that Canadians don't understand the concept of heat. They are born in the snow; molded by it. They don't get to see the sun until after they are already a man. (Yes, gender is a requirement. Their womenfolk are kept underground in the maple syrup mines their entire lives.)
and called him "self-made"
Shaun King shouldn't be a talking head for resistance. The entirety of the right doesn't like him, and many people on the left don't either.
I always love the trumpers that will scream Bill Clinton is a rapist at the top of their lungs. But every women that claimed trump sexual assaulted them is a liar in it for the noterietay.
I'm more than ready to believe this, but I want an actual news source, not Shaun King's tweet who has shown to not exactly be bipartisan
You're really dumb if you think that means anything legally
This is often misunderstood. Keep the apologies to whenever someone bumps into you, or you hold the door for someone but they were a little bit too far away and they have to speed up for a few steps.
I'm not going to treat killing children with bombs dropped from the sky as normal, even if it is.
I'm pretty sure one of them even made the allegation the same day she opened her porn website....
It depends on the 2018 elections, I think.
If it seems like there's no avoiding the Dems getting a majority in 2018, the Republicans will push to impeach Trump because the Dems with definitely push to impeach Trump (He's already guilty of violating the Emoluments Clause, which is impeachable), and they'd want to take the credit for being the ones to kick him out.
You may be right. We only got four years of Carter between Ford and Reagan, who was arguably worse than Nixon, policy-wise. The idea of things getting worse than Trump is too bleak to ponder.
Reagan, not Carter.
I'm sorry but you're going to have to do a little better than a recording for it to hold weight. While you're at it go ahead and build your case on every rapper talking about committing crimes in their songs.
His supporters just don't seem to care. Which is weird considering how many of them claim to be Christians and/or are part of the conspiracy theorist crowd.
The Christians don't care about how he talks about his own daughters.
"Well, I think that she's got a lot of Marla. She's a really beautiful baby, and she's got Marla's legs." Trump then motions to his chest, "We don't know whether she's got this part yet, but time will tell."
"I don't think Ivanka would do that [Playboy], although she does have a very nice figure. I've said if Ivanka weren't my daughter, perhaps I'd be dating her."
Or his views on marriage and sexual assault.
“I moved on her like a bitch, but I couldn’t get there. And she was married.”
“I did try and fuck her. She was married.”
"Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.”
Or straight up rape.
“Your fucking doctor has ruined me!” Trump cried.
What followed was a “violent assault,” according to Lost Tycoon. Donald held back Ivana’s arms and began to pull out fistfuls of hair from her scalp, as if to mirror the pain he felt from his own operation. He tore off her clothes and unzipped his pants.
Or his legal counsel's views toward rape.
Michael Cohen, special counsel at The Trump Organization, defended his boss, saying, “You’re talking about the frontrunner for the GOP, presidential candidate, as well as a private individual who never raped anybody. And, of course, understand that by the very definition, you can’t rape your spouse.”
“It is true,” Cohen added. “You cannot rape your spouse. And there’s very clear case law.”
And the conspiracy crowd obsessed with pizzagate gives him a free pass on all the pedophilia stuff.
Q: Have you ever had a personal relationship with Donald Trump?
A. What do you mean by "personal relationship," sir?
Q. Have you socialized with him?
A. Yes, sir.
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Have you ever socialized with Donald Trump in the presence of females under the age of 18?
A: Though I'd like to answer that question, at least today I'm going to have to assert my Fifth, Sixth, and 14th Amendment rights, sir.
“I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy,” Trump told New York Magazine for a 2002 profile of Epstein. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”
And that's not even counting the allegations of raping a 13 year old girl, walking in on underage models changing or the over dozen women who have accused him directly of sexually assaulting them that this Tweet mentions. Who he claimed were too ugly to sexually assault and that he would sue them if they didn't shut up.
I think it is fortunate that the law does not agree with your definition of consent. You may want to look it up before you get yourself in trouble.
I highly doubt such actions will ever affect Trump - we will never be so lucky. But that reality does not justify those actions.
I don't think it's necessarily outrage fatigue as it is it outrage capacity. We can only be outraged at so many things at once, and right now there are bigger issues in play.
those 17 gold diggers should sue him, See who wins.
A huge proportion of people care; look at the outrage directed at O'Reilly. Look at the women's march. Open your eyes.
No I think that's the Dev-.... oooohhhh.
The difference is Bill Orally was actually guilty and is paying 13 million.
O'Reilly and Fox's lawyers settled out of court, which you can't use as evidence of guilt or innocence - it's just evidence that his employers thought it would be cheaper and less of a PR issue to settle rather than have a drawn out public legal battle.
Oh they've pivoted away from that. Into the dangerous territory of 'People have accused Bill of unwanted sexual contact! Boo Clintons!'.
Letting someone do something is a million miles away from consenting to do something.
My favorite is John McCain, who acts outraged at every turn, till the money comes out. He said he was standing up to Trump then voted in Betsy DeVos. He said anyone who voted in favor (of the "nuclear option") to end the Filibuster was "a stupid idiot" then he voted in favor to end the Filibuster.
And as a sign of respect should I apologize before the initiation or just repeatedly throughout as it seems fit?
Accusations mean nothing, proof is what holds value, which there is none of because he did nothing.
People need to stop looking at an accusation as committing the crime they're accused of
That's because the outrage over Benghazi was never real in the first place but just a convenient way for people to express their hatred of her.
Being the one sperm out of how many thousands that got through...
It only sounds like sexual harassment because you want it to. See how that works.
Comedians are performing.
Trump was bragging.
You're telling me you've never said some dumb shit to your buddies? And there's no proof he even did those things. I mean guys lie about doing stupid stuff to ladies to impress guy friends. I've said way worse things and you don't see anyone making a big deal about it.
Tl;dr Attack him on actual policy and stop pushing this stupid agenda.
The trumpee fans have a whole line-by-line refutation of the bus recording dialogue worked out to say that the Big Orange Nightmare is talking about consensual contact. Of course, that refutation, much like most of what spills out of Trump's mouth, is complete nonsense.
There is that, but NPR also reported on a lot of internal frustration at Fox surrounding O'Reilly's behavior. Primarily expressed by women at all levels within Fox, both at Fox News and the larger Fox Broadcasting Corp. Corporations are made up of people, and as more and more people, esp. high-level women, within these corporations get fed up with this type of behavior being allowed, internal struggles develop that contribute to these decisions. Look, they already lost their rising star, Megan Kelly, over this garbage. Yes, corporations will always make decisions based on the bottom line, but that includes both things like advertiser dollars and thinking internally about retaining talent and evolving corporate policies on sexual harassment.
When I heard that tape I hear a guy talking about how women threw themselves at him and he can grope strangers because they are throwing themselves at him. What creeps me out about trump is that recording of him saying he's going to date that little girl going up the escalator in 10 years.
Because porn stars can't be sexually assaulted?
Well we have a recording of how much O'Reilly likes loufas.
Is there any evidence that this actually happened? Accusations mean nothing without proof. And no, you do not have a recording of him "admitting he does it".
Also, Shaun King is a white man, in case anyone may have forgotten.
have a recording of trump saying that women let him do it
crazy to think that rich people have willing groupies, i know. if, i dont know, justin bieber, said women let him grab them by the pussy would you be demanding his head or would you say "yeah, wouldnt doubt it"
Did I miss something, because I have yet to hear a recording of Trump admitting to sexually assaulting or harassing anyone.
I'm fine with throwing Bill Clinton under the bus if he's pulling Trump in with him.
Personally profiting from the death of human lives. (He owns stock in the company that made the missiles he had dropped in Syria, and their stock jumped after the attack.)
"they let you do it" don't take things out of context, you fake
I am so jealous of the people who get to live in the future post-capitalism collapse society once things have been rebuilt. I hate how everything in life is about rich people and companies profits.
Instead of complaining, maybe people should have voted!? What a concept right.
It's easier to paint Trump as a womanizer rather than admit that when a man has a certain amount of wealth/power there is a type of woman that will let that man do certain things to her (a.k.a. golddigger).
Trump was talking about those women but that's a little too red pill of thinking for society to swallow.
Trump is mistaking not being slapped as consent.
As a Swede, from Damascus originally, I can safely say I wont be visiting the States anytime soon. Bloody shame, as I was looking forward to run in the NY marathon someday.
Remember who was in charge for most of that time.
Being born would be my pick
A professor's student might "let" the professor grope her, but considering the power differential it's difficult to confirm that the student's actually into it vs concerned about the ramifications of saying no.
Considering Trump "doesn't even wait" and knows his special treatment is because he's "a star" (read: holds more power) it doesn't sound like he's checking for enthusiastic consent.
Straight up lying to millions of Americans who voted for him that he was going to fix healthcare in every way and epically failing at it in the first two months and moving on without any resolution
Stories like that are terrible to hear, because New York would no doubt love to have you there running. It's jarring to see how quickly an authoritarian leader can subvert the will of their people so close to home.
It's not a smear if it's true. The amount of things that creep was caught on tape saying was astonishing. Calling POWs (John McCain) losers, mocking the disabled, the non stop misogyny, a history of racism of bigotry all well documented. But, as Trump said, he could should a person on 5th ave in broad daylight and his voter wouldn't care but his voters are just as morally bankrupt as he is.
We thought that with this election. Many people and papers were saying GOP was on the way out. No way Trump could win. Dems might take back house. Well that was all wrong. Hell Dubya got reelected and we knew what they were up to. The GOP has a lot of America convinced they are the true Americans and until that changes expect things to get worse.
If it seems like there's no avoiding the Dems getting a majority in 2018,
That option isn't really on the table, is it? I thought there weren't enough seats in play for any kind of major majority shift to happen that quickly.
Here is one source. Finding a source that's truly reliable on the subject is proving challenging, so I'll admit this might be 'alternative facts'.
They won't even both impeaching him...they'll just get him to step down in 2020 (or 2024!) and treat him like yesterday's news while pushing a shinier new candidate.
"If someone disagrees with me in a sub I like, they're brigading!" Solid argument
hopefully it won't be more than 4 years. Never underestimate just how dumb and self destructive we can be down here.
...But no proof in either case.
Both Bill and Donald are completely innocent until proven otherwise. Statements from alleged victims is not strong enough evidence to convict.
people did, 3 million more people did. the EC just fucked those people over
Hey now, let's stay focused on the future and make sure Trump doesn't have the opportunity to break that record.
Yes people know. People don't care. Hilary Clinton lost the election because she thought people would care.
shhh, muh rape